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Rose bowl stadium was constructed on a dry part of river near devil's gate.The name devil's gate is supposed to be due to the rock formation,but,I bet there is more to it than the simple shape of a rock formation.The native tribes have a story or a myth of a devilish ghost appearing in the area and revealing that it will be their guardian deity or something.Huh,interesting.Devil's gate and a devilish apparition.
The stadium was originally built in the shape of a horse-shoe and in north-south direction.I have no doubt that it is on some ley lines.And what's more?It hosted the 27th superbowl.The concept of superbowl half-time shows got an impetus with the 27th superbowl in 1993,performed by none other than MJ.You can't unsee the symbolism here with the numbers and the artist.And the card stunt which I'm sure is the precursor for the now electronically controlled lights in fans' hands,gained wide acceptance in that show.
Interesting that they kicked off the tour from this stadium.
Also,1D performed there for three sold-out nights on their tour in september,2014,which is still considered a record.Man,this bt5 is so focused on 1D that it is on the same trail now.How about bringing something new to the table?Wait,what's that?
Actually in terms of numbers BTS pales compared to 1D, by a lot. At their prime, 1 D held a stadium tour in US, South America, Europe and Australia and played stadiums only in many different cities, not just 3. They sold out Metlife, Rose Bowl and Wembley 3 nights in addition to other other huge stadiums. Backstreet boys are the 18th best selling artists of all time with 300 million records sold. 1D sold 50 million records. BTS is bigger in Asia, especially Japan, which makes sense. Boyband shortlived success is not new, the teenage female market is the most lucrative and easily accessible in the industry. Same with movies/books, remember Twilight? It honestly was one of the most unoririginal poorly written teen love stories, yet all the hype. Retrospectively everyone agrees it sucked. Once the hype dies down, no one will care.

Although with RM throwing in those one eyed handsigns so explicitly at the whole audience in a concert, you never know. Maybe they have higher ambitions. They arent hiding their satanic handsigns in choreagraphy/photoshoots anymore, reminds you of JayZ and his obvious satanic hand signs at every concert. The blind items about JayZ and Beyonce are truly disturbing. If they are allegedly true he deserves the electrical chair, a nasty criminal no doubt. Not only him, but other so called music moguls. Their debauchery knows no end.

 






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This is a massive tour and stage. The members seem happy, interacting with the fans. Much more relaxed than on tv performances where they flash the horns and one eye signs every 10 seconds.

In this scale it is easy to feed everyone with symbolism, i havent watched all of the vcrs yet but i bet there are also sinyster things hidden.
I dont get when and how they managed to prepare and practice for the tour, seems like everyday they had a tv recording; appearances, fan signs , flights.. they must be worn out. Hope BH give them rest sometime even though they stated that they wont be resting after the tour. This all must take a price on their health, its almost like slavery - they are known workaholics but this schedule is unreal
 






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This is a massive tour and stage. The members seem happy, interacting with the fans. Much more relaxed than on tv performances where they flash the horns and one eye signs every 10 seconds.

In this scale it is easy to feed everyone with symbolism, i havent watched all of the vcrs yet but i bet there are also sinyster things hidden.
I dont get when and how they managed to prepare and practice for the tour, seems like everyday they had a tv recording; appearances, fan signs , flights.. they must be worn out. Hope BH give them rest sometime even though they stated that they wont be resting after the tour. This all must take a price on their health, its almost like slavery - they are known workaholics but this schedule is unreal
In general, Asian bosses like to overwork their workers. In their country people work crazy hours too, that's why a lot of Koreans have moved to other countries. To live a more "normal" life. I watched a documentary about it last year but couldn't find the video.

They only have a few new songs and they keep singing older songs which the choreographies have been shorten or made easier. So just 2 new dances were added? I'm not sure. So after practicing day and night, it's not hard for them. Who cares if their bodies get worn out in the process. Time is money lol. I don't think they are workaholics this is just the way their k-pop system is. Whether you like it or you are forced to comply. They are doing a new audition to form a new group again. Their industry is brutal and inhumane almost like a circus in some ways. They remind me of caged animals sometimes. But they do earn a lot of money. For some this is what they call being sucessful, a dream etc but for others it's just wasting your life and others.
 






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In general, Asian bosses like to overwork their workers. In their country people work crazy hours too, that's why a lot of Koreans have moved to other countries. To live a more "normal" life. I watched a documentary about it last year but couldn't find the video.

They only have a few new songs and they keep singing older songs which the choreographies have been shorten or made easier. So just 2 new dances were added? I'm not sure. So after practicing day and night, it's not hard for them. Who cares if their bodies get worn out in the process. Time is money lol. I don't think they are workaholics this is just the way their k-pop system is. Whether you like it or you are forced to comply. They are doing a new audition to form a new group again. Their industry is brutal and inhumane almost like a circus in some ways. They remind me of caged animals sometimes. But they do earn a lot of money. For some this is what they call being sucessful, a dream etc but for others it's just wasting your life and others.
I also thought of circus in their sense. Bts are the first kpop group i ever took interest in so all of it is new to me. The girl bands seem to be even worse, they look hungry!

In the way tae has been supoortive of txt (while most of the others arent) make me feel like he wants them to take over their place sometimes, but maybe he's just nice in an andustry of assholes
 






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I also thought of circus in their sense. Bts are the first kpop group i ever took interest in so all of it is new to me. The girl bands seem to be even worse, they look hungry!

In the way tae has been supoortive of txt (while most of the others arent) make me feel like he wants them to take over their place sometimes, but maybe he's just nice in an andustry of assholes
I think all of them were equally supportive on stage for txt.. If you ask me it was jin who was vocal for the very first time about supporting their young ones.. Then jin gave them his mic to sing along with them.. Then h0b1 made them dance and told them they're doing good.. K00k was good with bringing them to the front with them and patted them.. Suga is always in different so we all know.. I kind of see a very little support from V towards the juniors.. The hyung line supported and properly showed
 






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so don't hate on me guys...but i went to the concert at the Rosebowl... but before any reactions, i just wanna say, i am fully aware of what's been talked about here what we see that is obvious that there's more than meets the eye, so since then I have and still do view them differently as just like any other artist in the music industry these days, since we live in this fallen world, it's hard to avoid what we have to live with and see in entertainment. If i'm gonna be honest and i'm not proud of it, i do listen to only a (very)few of their songs and wanted to see how they sounded live and the vibe they give off since I've never seen them in person. So I went with the intent of observation. I even had to leave the concert early and didn't finish the show because I didn't think it was worth staying to be in that chaos of a crowd that was there to be stuck for hours afterwards when i need to be somewhere early the next day...it was like a mad house and I'm glad i left early. Sorry i don't have pictures but here are things I noticed, though to me it seemed it wasn't loud and in your face with the symbolisms at the show in my opinion but still you can pinpont things that are questionable in addition to the ones that someone already posted earlier:

-their intro video had the black/white checkered floors (why did it have to be checkered and not just a regular floor?) & the greek god theme they opened with. (dionysus)
-throwing out hand signs as usual
- when the song "Idol" came on, RrrMm screamed, "we are idols!!!" (that made me a little uncomfortable)

but that's all I noticed. the army around me were going all hype and alot of them were crying. I still don't get that and find it over the top but i guess when people are too emotionally invested so much in them...its a given.Merchandise was overpriced. The venue was just overall disorganized and chaotic but still thousands of people came and dealt with the madness. But if I have to view the show in the lens and shoes of those who aren't woke, it was pretty entertaining and they put on a good show and can actually sing and dance well on the surface. The people that I was with that were only there to chaperone their kids had no clue who they were or their music even thought it was entertaining. its no wonder why maybe the industry/elite is using them and keeping them on top because they get people's attention. sad to see good talent being used for the wrong motives.
 






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Actually in terms of numbers BTS pales compared to 1D, by a lot. At their prime, 1 D held a stadium tour in US, South America, Europe and Australia and played stadiums only in many different cities, not just 3. They sold out Metlife, Rose Bowl and Wembley 3 nights in addition to other other huge stadiums. Backstreet boys are the 18th best selling artists of all time with 300 million records sold. 1D sold 50 million records. BTS is bigger in Asia, especially Japan, which makes sense. Boyband shortlived success is not new, the teenage female market is the most lucrative and easily accessible in the industry. Same with movies/books, remember Twilight? It honestly was one of the most unoririginal poorly written teen love stories, yet all the hype. Retrospectively everyone agrees it sucked. Once the hype dies down, no one will care.

Although with RM throwing in those one eyed handsigns so explicitly at the whole audience in a concert, you never know. Maybe they have higher ambitions. They arent hiding their satanic handsigns in choreagraphy/photoshoots anymore, reminds you of JayZ and his obvious satanic hand signs at every concert. The blind items about JayZ and Beyonce are truly disturbing. If they are allegedly true he deserves the electrical chair, a nasty criminal no doubt. Not only him, but other so called music moguls. Their debauchery knows no end.

their fandom is really big but their popularity seems huge, more to do with social media and the hype around it

But....you are right. At their peak 1D were more popular and actually had popular songs. Something BTS cant get even if they make songs with Halsey or Minaj

I do wonder why some artists use so much symbolism and others dont

For example....1D were extremely popular but they never needed to do hand sign every second like BTS does

Then you have Beyonce....we all know all her videos are full of this symbolism and she is very popular but other artists like Adele are at the top too and she doesnt need to spread all that propaganda to get there
 






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so don't hate on me guys...but i went to the concert at the Rosebowl... but before any reactions, i just wanna say, i am fully aware of what's been talked about here what we see that is obvious that there's more than meets the eye, so since then I have and still do view them differently as just like any other artist in the music industry these days, since we live in this fallen world, it's hard to avoid what we have to live with and see in entertainment. If i'm gonna be honest and i'm not proud of it, i do listen to only a (very)few of their songs and wanted to see how they sounded live and the vibe they give off since I've never seen them in person. So I went with the intent of observation. I even had to leave the concert early and didn't finish the show because I didn't think it was worth staying to be in that chaos of a crowd that was there to be stuck for hours afterwards when i need to be somewhere early the next day...it was like a mad house and I'm glad i left early. Sorry i don't have pictures but here are things I noticed, though to me it seemed it wasn't loud and in your face with the symbolisms at the show in my opinion but still you can pinpont things that are questionable in addition to the ones that someone already posted earlier:

-their intro video had the black/white checkered floors & the greek god theme
-throwing out hand signs as usual
- when the song "Idol" came on, RrrMm screamed, "we are idols!!!" (that made me a little uncomfortable)

but that's all I noticed. the army around me were going all hype and alot of them were crying. I still don't get that and find it over the top but i guess when people are too emotionally invested so much in them...its a given.Merchandise was overpriced. The venue was just overall disorganized and chaotic but still thousands of people came and dealt with the madness. But if I have to view the show in the lens and shoes of those who aren't woke, it was pretty entertaining and they put on a good show and can actually sing and dance well on the surface. The people that I was with that were only there to chaperone their kids had no clue who they were or their music even thought it was entertaining. its no wonder why maybe the industry/elite is using them and keeping them on top because they get people's attention. sad to see good talent being used for the wrong motives.
its fine we are all free to do what we want
A lot of people here are still fans.....but its sad because sometimes I wonder....is this thread really helping our cause??

A lot of people here are still so atached to them and love them, this means BTS and Big Hit are winning in the end
Those fans who dont know or believe about these theories at least hace that excuse....but what excuse do we have to keep giving money to Big Hit after everything we share here?

No offence to you tho....its just makes me sad to see users coming here and say they go to their concerts and pay money to see them. Its like VC writting about Beyonce and then saying "oh yeah I went to her concert last weekend".....
I dont blame you because I understand its hard to let go but it just makes me sad because I feel like all we share here is useless
 






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their fandom is really big but their popularity seems huge, more to do with social media and the hype around it

But....you are right. At their peak 1D were more popular and actually had popular songs. Something BTS cant get even if they make songs with Halsey or Minaj

I do wonder why some artists use so much symbolism and others dont

For example....1D were extremely popular but they never needed to do hand sign every second like BTS does

Then you have Beyonce....we all know all her videos are full of this symbolism and she is very popular but other artists like Adele are at the top too and she doesnt need to spread all that propaganda to get there
I agree that while all mainstream entertainers has shown these signs at some point either conciously or unknowingly some tend to do it more often than others. Bigshit in general falls sonewhere in the middle , altough has been increasing the signs more and more lately. Some have very blatant signs such as Diplo. There is nothing hidden about this, look at all the baphomets on his hoodie. I wonder where he got it.
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its fine we are all free to do what we want
A lot of people here are still fans.....but its sad because sometimes I wonder....is this thread really helping our cause??

A lot of people here are still so atached to them and love them, this means BTS and Big Hit are winning in the end
Those fans who dont know or believe about these theories at least hace that excuse....but what excuse do we have to keep giving money to Big Hit after everything we share here?

No offence to you tho....lits just makes me sad to see users coming here and say they go to their concerts and pay money to see them. Its like VC weritting about Beyonce and then saying "oh yeah I went to her concert last weekend".....
I dont blame you because I understand its hard to let go but it just makes me sad because I feel like all we share here is useless
yah like i said, i'm not proud of many things I deal with and done, im not perfect in any way, I'm just like any other human being that will continue to be a work in progress even if we fall sometimes here or there .But I know God is still working on myself and knows my heart and intention. And that's why I still go back to this thread to remind myself of what I already have knowledge of and to guard myself every time before a set back comes in and not be easily carried away and be deceived. I think what we have going here is still useful and important those who will discover soon and to keep us level-headed but thanks for understanding.
 






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