BTS discussion thread

[Mr.Fishnet]

Whenever someone points out the obvious mistakes of bt5,army be like
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That gif is so true on many levels lol

 

[Hopeful]

So whatever they give away is for the sake of their own shows.. Not some love for their fans.
They get recorded..
That is a Run Beetees camera..

 

[wow]

"Princes of pop" is what they are called?

You know who else is called "princes of kp0p" guys?
SHINE3
'The group's musical impact in their native country has earned them numerous accolades and the title "Princes of K-pop". '
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinee

Coincidence?????
The theory that j0nghyun was sacrificed for bt5 might indeed be true.

I made a post of the timeline of events surrounding his death,from the info I collected over this and other threads.Check it,if interested.
https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/because-jonghyun-deserved-better.3858/page-5#post-205938

i do believe bts is involved with his death, theres just too many evidences and all of those are not coincidences, we know for sure, and after jong has died, bts has been more and more popular, though he can be sacrificed for sm, probably for Nceetee, cause they got really popular and invited to the western after he died.

 

[Deadlylady]

No they are not, but every group has a member responsible for showing off their body and in BTS it is Jk. Some groups are worse. Kai from EXO and Wonho from Monsta Z as some of the worst examples, with Kai (close friend of Jimin) and also the stripper of the group, they made him wear something that looked like a bikini top snd dance sexy (god i cringed)and Overall their dance moves can be sexual as in crotch grabbing, grinding and stripper like moves, this is especially true for JM and Jk. Their image is carefully carved, JK is supposed to be the sexy one, maybe that is why they always put platform heels on him to make him taller than his actual height, he is in fact shorter than V whose height is also overestimsted. He is also greatly favouritised by the company, no other member gets as much exposure as him whether in MVs, bangtan bombs or other material. I have noticed some jealousy from other members because of this.

RM in my opinion isn’t even the most favouritised, he is the closest to the CEO behind the scene and has a mission to keep the group under control. He has ro get compensation for his job, probably through song writing credits. Regardless of what people say, he may not be a genius but he is the smartest member. To be blunt I think the other members aren’t too bright, with the exception of Suga. Suga lacks leadership and public speaking skills however. Why they suck so bad ar english is an enigma after all these years and visiting other countries so often. The average somali pirate who has never been to school speaks better English than them. English seems to be very difficult for east Asians though, maybe something is wrong with the way they teach it.

Even when they went to the UN, the members later admitted that they had no idea what NJ was saying but trusted in him. Not @ the speech being terrible, but at least when going to the fuckin UN pretend that you don’t care about your hair and makeup and focus on the cause. Too bad they can’t relate.

Maybe that's why now there are many native english speaker teacher coming to South Korea to teach english. They do have a hard time speaking another language and I think the main reason is because they are too shy to try. Since you have to practice a lot to be good at it. Specially if your mother tongue is very different than english it's even harder. And also maybe they didn't have the time do learn english as much. Maybe they focused on learning japanese, chinese which is easier for them.

They even have a special song do to that kind of "stripper" dance and almost all of them do it there.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1129998023830986754

I remember nj reading his UN speech and jamal got a headache just looking at it . The other members are not bright indeed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1054254591389315077

Jk is the most loved in his country since the begining? Or maybe because is he younger. And also he was always shown as the golden one. He does everything better and wins always. He won a contest or whatever and got many offers.
I never realized he wore platform heels. But don't forget that in Korean standard of beauty the taller you are the most handsome you are.

And not only nj but other members like jamal, candy and h0p do deal and control members that go overboard. But that's just the duty of a leader in the kpop world.

 

[NotDelulu]

i do believe bts is involved with his death, theres just too many evidences and all of those are not coincidences, we know for sure, and after jong has died, bts has been more and more popular, though he can be sacrificed for sm, probably for Nceetee, cause they got really popular and invited to the western after he died.

That thread is really interesting! I didn't know him or shinee, but it all screams a sacrifice

 

[Scars512]

look here!
this is BTS good "friend" Halsey promoting her latest single at a strip club??

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1130183820794376193

I wonder what BTS think of their good friend performing like this
These celebrites are really shameless

Wow --- she's such a feminist! Nothing says "I'm an empowered woman", like dancing on a pole and spreading your legs while people throw cash at you and objectify your body. And I bet RM really likes this. He is the porn lover of the group, after all -- and I suspect that Halsey is really just RM's "good friend", if you know what I mean. Although, I did find it amusing when she "crashed" one of their interviews and the subject of her performing and dressing like them came up and RM said -- not once, but twice -- that she would look "classy" dressed like that. He knows she is a hoe.

 

[Chic]

So my sister--who is not a fan of B+S, doesn't know anything about them, but is as much as a conspiracy theorist as I am--and I were talking about them after I returned from the concert. I mentioned how I felt it could be their last tour before enlistment (I told her about Korea's law about men being required to.) She asked me, "But if they've sold out, then they might not have to serve, don't you think?" I emphatically said no, but....

This had me thinking. I know everyone here is aware of fans petitioning in the past for them never having to enlist. Are they still petitioning for them? If their current president supports them and they are praised for helping the hallyu wave, do you think the odds are in their favor? That mysteriously, out of nowhere, the law could be revised and they could possibly not have to enlist? What are your thoughts?

 

[cadiz]

Wow --- she's such a feminist! Nothing says "I'm an empowered woman", like dancing on a pole and spreading your legs while people throw cash at you and objectify your body. And I bet RM really likes this. He is the porn lover of the group, after all -- and I suspect that Halsey is really just RM's "good friend", if you know what I mean. Although, I did find it amusing when she "crashed" one of their interviews and the subject of her performing and dressing like them came up and RM said -- not once, but twice -- that she would look "classy" dressed like that. He knows she is a hoe.

yeah....I remember when the others made fun of RM because he watched so much porn..
and if you read his old lyrics he often had suggestive lyrics about women.....one song even saying the woman had a sexual infection or something lol just gross

But that image doesnt fit with the RM of today.....right now he is giving speech at the UN and he is such a clean an educated man

 

[NotDelulu]

So my sister--who is not a fan of B+S, doesn't know anything about them, but is as much as a conspiracy theorist as I am--and I were talking about them after I returned from the concert. I mentioned how I felt it could be their last tour before enlistment (I told her about Korea's law about men being required to.) She asked me, "But if they've sold out, then they might not have to serve, don't you think?" I emphatically said no, but....

This had me thinking. I know everyone here is aware of fans petitioning in the past for them never having to enlist. Are they still petitioning for them? If their current president supports them and they are praised for helping the hallyu wave, do you think the odds are in their favor? That mysteriously, out of nowhere, the law could be revised and they could possibly not have to enlist? What are your thoughts?

So I was just talking to someone about this. They have postponed their enlistment a few times. It is a great honor in Korea to serve and from my understanding they all want to enlist eventually. They have approval to postpone their enlistment, Jin is set to enlist in 2021 which means there is going to be another tour probably (tae also promised they will be back next year in all us concerts).
I think they know enlistment will mean probably the end for bts and maybe its going to be a relief after 10 years. In the next 2 years they can push txt- it is already starting (even though txt are really really bad). They are now taking a lot of pics together and it will probably increase.
I think some of bts themselves dont want to avoid the enlistment as it will be an outlet to take a hiatus. They of course would be privileged while serving I am sure.

 

[Chic]

So I was just talking to someone about this. They have postponed their enlistment a few times. It is a great honor in Korea to serve and from my understanding they all want to enlist eventually. They have approval to postpone their enlistment, Jin is set to enlist in 2021 which means there is going to be another tour probably (tae also promised they will be back next year in all us concerts).
I think they know enlistment will mean probably the end for bts and maybe its going to be a relief after 10 years. In the next 2 years they can push txt- it is already starting (even though txt are really really bad). They are now taking a lot of pics together and it will probably increase.
I think some of bts themselves dont want to avoid the enlistment as it will be an outlet to take a hiatus. They of course would be privileged while serving I am sure.

Using T.O.P and GD as an example, they enlisted the same year they were turning 30. So yeah, it's possible for them to delay enlistment until I suppose 29.

 

[rottielover]

So my sister--who is not a fan of B+S, doesn't know anything about them, but is as much as a conspiracy theorist as I am--and I were talking about them after I returned from the concert. I mentioned how I felt it could be their last tour before enlistment (I told her about Korea's law about men being required to.) She asked me, "But if they've sold out, then they might not have to serve, don't you think?" I emphatically said no, but....

This had me thinking. I know everyone here is aware of fans petitioning in the past for them never having to enlist. Are they still petitioning for them? If their current president supports them and they are praised for helping the hallyu wave, do you think the odds are in their favor? That mysteriously, out of nowhere, the law could be revised and they could possibly not have to enlist? What are your thoughts?

i wouldn't be surprised if they would revise the law but still highly doubt they would make exemptions bcoz they're making kpop and korea on a high currently, but by the looks of it now and based on the korean public in general (im not korean, but have a lot of korean friends), not going into the military is really not favorably looked upon on a korean man unless there are special exemptions (sports/injury). When a celeb most especially doesn't serve, they get a negative light to the knetz both fans and non fans. So them not serving regardless of a new law if it were to pass will be a risk for their reputation in korea even if they are popular all over the world, they still have an allegiance and loyalty to be seen highly in their own country. Im thinking if i were a korean citizen " Even all their older hallyu peers(Rain, Super junior, BB, 2pm, etc.), high rated korean actors, etc. had to serve, what makes them be exempted? its not fair to those before them". I just feel it wouldn't be taken lightly coz even if the whole world outside korea are petitioning the exemption but in korea its still part of who they are, their culture and their current country situation. they still have their own little world there to live up to. also seeing the company is doing the same promos right now for txt and auditioning for new boys for a new group suggests they will still definitely enlist for a fact.

 

[Chic]

i wouldn't be surprised if they would revise the law but still highly doubt they would make exemptions bcoz they making kpop and korea on a high currently, but by the looks of it now and based on the korean public in general (im not korean, but have a lot of korean friends), not going into the military is really not favorably looked upon on a korean man unless there are special exemptions (sports/injury). When a celeb most especially doesn't serve, they get a negative light to the knetz both fans and non fans. So them not serving regardless of a new law if it were to pass will be a risk for their reputation in korea even if they are popular all over the world, they still have an allegiance and loyalty to be seen highly in their own country. Im thinking if i were a korean citizen " Even all their older hallyu peers(Rain, Super junior, BB, 2pm, etc.), high rated korean actors, etc. had to serve, what makes them be exempted? its not fair to those before them". I just feel it wouldn't be taken lightly coz even if the whole world outside korea are petitioning the exemption but in korea its still part of who they are, their culture and their current country situation. they still have their own little world there to live up to. also seeing the company is doing the same promos right now for txt and auditioning for new boys for a new group suggests they will still definitely enlist for a fact.

That is true. It wouldn't be a good look and frowned upon if they were to not complete their civic duty. I really would side eye them if they didn't. Hell, I'd side eye their government too if it were to happen that way (changing the law).

 

[Scars512]

i wouldn't be surprised if they would revise the law but still highly doubt they would make exemptions bcoz they're making kpop and korea on a high currently, but by the looks of it now and based on the korean public in general (im not korean, but have a lot of korean friends), not going into the military is really not favorably looked upon on a korean man unless there are special exemptions (sports/injury). When a celeb most especially doesn't serve, they get a negative light to the knetz both fans and non fans. So them not serving regardless of a new law if it were to pass will be a risk for their reputation in korea even if they are popular all over the world, they still have an allegiance and loyalty to be seen highly in their own country. Im thinking if i were a korean citizen " Even all their older hallyu peers(Rain, Super junior, BB, 2pm, etc.), high rated korean actors, etc. had to serve, what makes them be exempted? its not fair to those before them". I just feel it wouldn't be taken lightly coz even if the whole world outside korea are petitioning the exemption but in korea its still part of who they are, their culture and their current country situation. they still have their own little world there to live up to. also seeing the company is doing the same promos right now for txt and auditioning for new boys for a new group suggests they will still definitely enlist for a fact.

Considering that BTS adds $3.5 billion (in US dollars) to South Korea's economy, I think there is a good likelihood of an exemption being made. They do allow exemptions for athletes, so it isn't as if no one gets an exemption. Add to that the fact that BTS is helping to put a spotlight on S. Korea in a favorable way (colleges are having to add Korean language courses to meet the demand of students wanting to learn Korean) -- you could make the argument that BTS would serve Korea more by continuing their careers than entering into military service. I think most of it will depend on how well they do this year. If they are still soaring in popularity, I think they might be exempted (by a year or two) ... but if the US public gets tired of the novelty of a k-pop group, they will use the military enlistment as an excuse to disband and then we'll see them pursue their individual careers. I think JK is the one being groomed for a solo career. Learning English, meeting Ariana Grande, etc. I think they see him as the most marketable because his voice is the most stable. TY can do modeling or acting. MY will eventually end up producing. RM maybe producing or even starting his own company. Mr. WW Handsome has his restaurant to fall back on. I guess JH and JM could choreograph or teach dance. If they have been smart, they have put away enough money so that they never have to work again. That is assuming that BigHit actually pays them a decent cut. I'm not sure that they do.

 

[sculmatee]

Have you guys seen this video of the twelve year old singing Fake Love? Really, I guess their fandom truly has no age limits.

 

[NotDelulu]

This thread is now 999 pages! Soon to be 1000. Wow
And I am still reading back older pages!

 

[Scars512]

It is very cringey, to watch, almost humiliating for them. Their publicists are desperate to make them appear everywhere, because Stephen Colbert is a left wing political talk show host with a more intellectual target audience, not a very appropriate place for a boyband. The comparison to Beatles has been done since they first appeared in America which is very cringey. They are not comparable, not the same genre, image, contribution or quality of music or political involvement. I don’t listen tot the Beatles myself, but credit should be given where it is due. Beatles music may seem bland now, but at its time it was part of a revolutionary music movement that inspired a lot of other rock and roll bands that people live today such as Queen, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, U2 even Linkin Park list is endless. BTS is kpop, regardless of what their fans might think, it is manufactured pop music with some rapping, with heavy use of recycled material, EDM and autotuned voices that blend into one another. The messages about depression, self acceptance, loving myself etc are not unique, in fact they are heavily used in music industry. I mean Justin Beiber has a song with the exact same title that was released before them. Billie Eilish is poster girl for glamourizing depression.

John Lennon on the other hand was a controversial figure with messages that went against the establishment at the time, there is a reason they killed him. Regardless lf wether or not we agree with those messages, we can’t deny that fact. Same with Tupac, hiphop may seem to be about bitches, drugs, sex and gucci nowadays, but back in the 90s it revolved around social injustices and the struggles of people (mainly lower class). Tupac has a lot of songs around these themes. Some time after he rose to fame he wanted to release an album with the title ”killuminati” and needless to say shortly after he was killed under odd circumstances. The higher ups don’t want artists to go against the establishment or send profound messages that affect the listener. Mainstream music nowadays is all about dumbing down the masses, hence why is widely sucks.

I think the Beatles comparison is more about the screaming female fans than anything else. To be fair, though, let's not forget that the Beatles debuted with a song titled "I Want to Hold Your Hand". They had a lot of those teeny bopper type songs in the beginning. It was only after they got more popular that they were free to produce music with more substance and meaning (although there is plenty of symbolism and weird stuff in their music, too). And their impact was really more about aesthetics in the beginning (that long hair that was taboo before the Beatles made it cool). The politics came later and then, like you said, Lennon took it too far and had to be killed. And those topics, while pretty normal in the US, are still kind of taboo in S. Korea -- so they are a little bit more "rebellious" by S. Korean standards. But musically, there isn't much of a comparison. They could, in theory, end up growing musically -- but considering how tightly run the K-pop industry is, I don't really think that is a possibility. I think BTS are becoming popular to push the gender neutral/gender fluid concept. Just like the Beatles brought us long hair -- BTS seems to be the ones who will usher in make-up for men, and not just gay men or MtF transgender individuals. I bet the cosmetic companies are salivating at the idea of opening up a largely untouched market. And then there is the decidedly feminine fashion. I once noticed a tag in V's shirt on a video and recognized the brand. At first, I thought "wow, I didn't know they had a men's line". But, I looked it up and they don't. The weird part is that this brand isn't young and hip -- it is geared towards older women (I know because I'm an older woman and still some of that brand looks too "grandma" for me). And my first reaction to BTS (when my daughter showed me photos of them) was surprise that they wore so much makeup. And how feminine they looked. I actually looked for the adam's apple because I wasn't sure that they were really boys. So, that is what I first noticed about them -- the gender bending look of the group.

 

[Chic]

I think the Beatles comparison is more about the screaming female fans than anything else. To be fair, though, let's not forget that the Beatles debuted with a song titled "I Want to Hold Your Hand". They had a lot of those teeny bopper type songs in the beginning. It was only after they got more popular that they were free to produce music with more substance and meaning (although there is plenty of symbolism and weird stuff in their music, too). And their impact was really more about aesthetics in the beginning (that long hair that was taboo before the Beatles made it cool). The politics came later and then, like you said, Lennon took it too far and had to be killed. And those topics, while pretty normal in the US, are still kind of taboo in S. Korea -- so they are a little bit more "rebellious" by S. Korean standards. But musically, there isn't much of a comparison. They could, in theory, end up growing musically -- but considering how tightly run the K-pop industry is, I don't really think that is a possibility. I think BTS are becoming popular to push the gender neutral/gender fluid concept. Just like the Beatles brought us long hair -- BTS seems to be the ones who will usher in make-up for men, and not just gay men or MtF transgender individuals. I bet the cosmetic companies are salivating at the idea of opening up a largely untouched market. And then there is the decidedly feminine fashion. I once noticed a tag in V's shirt on a video and recognized the brand. At first, I thought "wow, I didn't know they had a men's line". But, I looked it up and they don't. The weird part is that this brand isn't young and hip -- it is geared towards older women (I know because I'm an older woman and still some of that brand looks too "grandma" for me). And my first reaction to BTS (when my daughter showed me photos of them) was surprise that they wore so much makeup. And how feminine they looked. I actually looked for the adam's apple because I wasn't sure that they were really boys. So, that is what I first noticed about them -- the gender bending look of the group.

And now I'm reminded of their collaboration with VT cosmetics. Is that the brand you're talking about?


Let us not forget: B+S may be the current poster child in the west for Kpop, but there are other groups who have pushed the envelope off the table with the gender bending agenda. F(x), although disbanded, had Amber, Nuest's company had Ren looking like an actual woman, and of course SHINee's Taemin at one point looked like a woman too. I'm sure there are more that I'm missing (I don't keep up with KPop anymore). B+S isn't quite there yet, but they are getting close with the kind of looks they give them in styling.

Point is, I believe this is the agenda all of Kpop is pushing.

 

[cadiz]

what do you think?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1130916992075083776

 

[Scars512]

And now I'm reminded of their collaboration with VT cosmetics. Is that the brand you're talking about?


Let us not forget: B+S may be the current poster child in the west for Kpop, but there are other groups who have pushed the envelope off the table with the gender bending agenda. F(x), although disbanded, had Amber, Nuest's company had Ren looking like an actual woman, and of course SHINee's Taemin at one point looked like a woman too. I'm sure there are more that I'm missing (I don't keep up with KPop anymore). B+S isn't quite there yet, but they are getting close with the kind of looks they give them in styling.

Well, even back in my day we had the heavy metal "hair" bands and people like Adam Ant and Boy George. It just never really took off mainstream. I don't think we were ready for it back then. But, this generation seems to be more open to it. Only time will tell, I guess. China has an entire "boy" group composed of girls (Acrush), so I think it's becoming trendy to blur the gender lines.

 

[Deadlylady]

yeah....I remember when the others made fun of RM because he watched so much porn..
and if you read his old lyrics he often had suggestive lyrics about women.....one song even saying the woman had a sexual infection or something lol just gross

But that image doesnt fit with the RM of today.....right now he is giving speech at the UN and he is such a clean an educated man

They used to be a macho hip hop/rapper band but now they are "loving themselves" pink vibes mainstream boy band. Of course he had to change his style. Those bands are just a product of people behind the camera.

I think the Beatles comparison is more about the screaming female fans than anything else. To be fair, though, let's not forget that the Beatles debuted with a song titled "I Want to Hold Your Hand". They had a lot of those teeny bopper type songs in the beginning. It was only after they got more popular that they were free to produce music with more substance and meaning (although there is plenty of symbolism and weird stuff in their music, too). And their impact was really more about aesthetics in the beginning (that long hair that was taboo before the Beatles made it cool). The politics came later and then, like you said, Lennon took it too far and had to be killed. And those topics, while pretty normal in the US, are still kind of taboo in S. Korea -- so they are a little bit more "rebellious" by S. Korean standards. But musically, there isn't much of a comparison. They could, in theory, end up growing musically -- but considering how tightly run the K-pop industry is, I don't really think that is a possibility. I think BTS are becoming popular to push the gender neutral/gender fluid concept. Just like the Beatles brought us long hair -- BTS seems to be the ones who will usher in make-up for men, and not just gay men or MtF transgender individuals. I bet the cosmetic companies are salivating at the idea of opening up a largely untouched market. And then there is the decidedly feminine fashion. I once noticed a tag in V's shirt on a video and recognized the brand. At first, I thought "wow, I didn't know they had a men's line". But, I looked it up and they don't. The weird part is that this brand isn't young and hip -- it is geared towards older women (I know because I'm an older woman and still some of that brand looks too "grandma" for me). And my first reaction to BTS (when my daughter showed me photos of them) was surprise that they wore so much makeup. And how feminine they looked. I actually looked for the adam's apple because I wasn't sure that they were really boys. So, that is what I first noticed about them -- the gender bending look of the group.

I agree they were chosen to push the lgbt agenda. There is no american or european guy that would be loved by so many girls and especially little girls while having makeup on and doing skinship with guys.



Today I watched at a new teaser of a netflicks series and it was all about lgbt. Everywhere in the entertainment you see that agenda and it's scary. Because this is almost like look this is great and nothing is wrong about it. And you better accept this right now. Almost like they are hurrying up for something.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1130820538148876289

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1130583348823244800

They even had to add this in a series that is more for children/teenagers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1020390577500717057