Was just about to post that. The boys stated many times they do not wish to be compared to beatles - during bbmas and other interviews - but someone is really obsessed with crowning them as the new beatles.
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Doesn't this look forced?
It's like a punishment thing to say i am a good boy like whenever you introduce yourself.
Has he been a bad boy to you b1gh1t?
It's like a punishment thing to say i am a good boy like whenever you introduce yourself.
Has he been a bad boy to you b1gh1t?
I swear I thought the same. And the way the others laugh at this. And the fans already find this adorable. He looks robotic to me here. Oh poor tae. Maybe he is punished for not being bubbly on press interviews lately
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It often happens between any 2 members.. And there is always no explanation for it.. Maybe they have lived together so much that they basically become one an other
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The symbolism is the least of the issues with them, those symbols are present all over music and BTS is not unique in that sense. The main problem with BTS in my humble opinion is pushing the soyboy effiminate man with an undeniably lgbt group dynamic down the audience throats. The narrative that BTS is fighting “toxic masculinity” and breaking gender barriers is often heard, but at what cost? This goes beyond fan service, makeup and skinship, rather body langauge and behaviours as well as coded lyrics and explicit support. The fans always write it off as brotherly love, however their actions and fantasies say otherwise. If you notice, most if the fans fic revolving them are x-rated stories revolving gay sex between two or more members, written by their female fan base. Why? They may deny it, but I do believe that most fans over the age of 15-16 will have a hunch that some if not most of these men are lgbt, especially international fans. The hardcore shipping culture itself is evident of this, romanticizing and glamourizing a potential relationship between 2 members when you clearly are unaware of the details of the relationship. I can guarantee you thar at least 50 if not more of the fanbase are hardcore shippers that truly believe there is more going on than what we can see, myself included and it really isnt healthy. Certain youtube chanels go as far as making up ridiculous theories to feed a fantasy of an idealistic romantic relationship and they have hundreds of thousands of followers.
Furthermore you would think that a man in his 20s is an adult at the prime of his strength, and ser out to make a difference in society, yet the fandom treat these guys as weak and fragile babies that need nurturing which furthermore probes my point. The fandom can’t be blamed, it is the vibe they give through and through.
You also asked me about member interaction, well for eg Jungkook and Taehyung who have previously had many interactions, barely acknowledge each other, or Jin and some other members are not interacting much at all either. Jk and Tea act like strangers during public events, it is odd considering how they were just a couple of months ago. Somehow they are also never beside each other, the only 2 members to be this way. They still have moments which are subtle and they look close, but that is when the camera is not focused on them. They have preplanned seats at every event and the same answer to the same questions and look rather uncomfortable. As Chic also mentioned even at concerts they just look into a camera singing and occasionally hugging, spread out across a huge stage and interactions have decreased while some members such as Jimin and Jk are responsible for fanservice once times every concert. It is strange that they dont interact with other korean artists, let alone American ones either anymore. Yeah the company is losing the plot.
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what VC forum have to do with the dream?
and haven't you thought may be the dream are warning you to stay away from BTS?
I agree with many points you have raised.
Regarding tae and jk.. being a new "fan" i immidiately got exposed to all the shipping videos on youtube. Many of them are really convincing so i myself became somewhat certain taekook is a thing.
Looking at concert interaction just from several months ago it was clear those 2 are close, at least really good friends who enjoy each other even though to my western eyes it looked more. The looks, the chemistry.
A lot of people noted it was bigh1t that separated them and forces this narrative of them barely interacting on stage and almost ignore eachother on camera, especially while in the us. Fans are looking for literally seconds of interactions between them to assure themselves they are fine and "keeping their relationship private".
The only times i saw them engaging is during fanmeetings - i dont know if its fanservice or real interactions but all of the previous behaviour was there.
Also one of the few interactions happened at the mega concert before they left for the bbmas. I dont know, those smiles seemed real to me.
So if its their management who restricts it, why now? The lgbt agenda is very present around bts and jimin is flirtatious with all the members.
I agree with you that the fans are very much invested in those ships so much as they participate in wars and hate on other members if they happen to touch one of their favs. I myself follow taekook accounts on twitter.. not proud of it but i got sucked into it too.
The narrative throughout is that they are cute babies while some are 26-27 old, grown men who are not allowed to keep a gf (or bf) and not even have facial hair.
I do believe it puts wrong ideas in their fans minds regarding norms and sexuality. But actually from what i saw in us concerts, the gay behaviour was toned down almost completely. Strange
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The moment of JK appearing to suck on Jimin’s ear was the gayest thing so far, many people were shocked, though no one can use it as proof of something more going on. Just so many things were off about that, not going into detail. I don’t know why the company has become so strict lately, making them travel in separate cars with multiple bodyguards even at award shows where other celebs roam around freely. The fact that they didnt allow a medic backstage says a lot. There seems to be a lot of secrecy, who know what the reasons are. Perhaps because they have become more and more mainstream, they are extra careful, losing their personalities as a side effect. Generally rumours spread more easily and are widely publicized in the US. Stadium concerts are much less personal than arenas, they know many more people will be attending some of whom are not fans that understand the group dynamics or ship members and don’t want rumors spreading about them, though this is just a speculation. During most of the interviews and award shows they look like they have a stick up their ass, so stiff and rigid. It is sad really.
About kpop stars and dating, most of the older generation kpop stars are still “single” despite being well into their thirties and their bands having disbanded/lost relevance. Doesnt mean they havent dated or are not dating but comittment and settling down is not as common. Not dating also doesnt mean they arent having hookups or escorts over, actually a lot of kpop companies provide these services for their male idols. Dont know if you heard about the Seungri scandal, but that is what goes on behind the scenes in these circles.
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Actually i am not familiar with any other kpop bands, boy or girl, besides bts. I read some of the details online, they were filming girls they were sleeping with and sharing on some group chat?
Bts are being very cautious, maybe as they try to max cash on the success in us they try to present a more wholesome image (come on, bwl is such a sugary cute song) and try to avoid fans discussing their sexuality. Regarding female doctors not allowed backstage - its indeed very suspicious, more from the point of view they are probably drugging them.
I really do hope bts have some sorts of relationships, sexual too, it is a sad lonely monitored life to live. They are in the prime of their lives right now.. however i dont see how a casual hookup can happen for them unless the poor girls sign nda's and what not. I often think how this is all enjoyable, besides money and fame they have almost nothing.. must be feeling so empty
Bts are being very cautious, maybe as they try to max cash on the success in us they try to present a more wholesome image (come on, bwl is such a sugary cute song) and try to avoid fans discussing their sexuality. Regarding female doctors not allowed backstage - its indeed very suspicious, more from the point of view they are probably drugging them.
I really do hope bts have some sorts of relationships, sexual too, it is a sad lonely monitored life to live. They are in the prime of their lives right now.. however i dont see how a casual hookup can happen for them unless the poor girls sign nda's and what not. I often think how this is all enjoyable, besides money and fame they have almost nothing.. must be feeling so empty
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Thinking that people who have made it in entertainment are celibate is delusional. Weather it involves them having transactional sex with those more powerful (casting couch) or abusing their fame and power to get it from others. There have been way to many examples to think otherwise.
Expensive escorts are always readily available for the rich and wealthy. Escorts never reveal the identity of their clients, especially when prostitution is illegal. My suspicion is that they themselves have been pimped out several times. Personal lives of people in entertainment are usually pretty dirty.
Their company has even advertised them as:
Why not? There are blind items about them hooking up with music excecutives and other powerful people in the industry. Not to mention they have all the backup dancers and other staff, other idols (who cant date publicly), anonymous gay hookups where the men are much less likely to spill anything the list goes on.
Expensive escorts are always readily available for the rich and wealthy. Escorts never reveal the identity of their clients, especially when prostitution is illegal. My suspicion is that they themselves have been pimped out several times. Personal lives of people in entertainment are usually pretty dirty.
Their company has even advertised them as:
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Sponsors too. I remember hearing JK had a sponsor who was an older woman. Joke or not, it's possible. I often wonder if the spoiled rich kids/chaebols who get special treatment are picked for them.
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Sponsors fall into the category of those with power that will provide them with something in return for sexual favors. My guess is that most sponsors are men, although there may be some women too. Sponsors usually prey on rookies and trainees, but that doesnt mean bigger stars don’t have them. The bigger the star the bigger the sponsor, in this case media and music bosses or other powerful people in the industry. Sometimes these sponsors are more senior/well known stars. Recently I read somewhere that one of the girls in Blackpink had to have sex with a Coachella boss to get the gig since the boss made sure to fly to SK to personally “invite” them. Makes sense. Don’t see why it would be different for kpop dudes, especially with their attires and the unique preferences of hollyweirdos. Overall don’t waste your time feeling sorry for these people.
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I have a question about alternate personalities. I hope to articulate it the way I'm thinking about it in my head.
I know about how MK ultra programming works in shattering the core personality, resulting in creating dissociative personalities and identities. Hence, the personalities are unknown to each other. If this is the case, how are the different personalities still able to be the performer when it is time to, no matter which one is chosen? I thought about this when someone brought up JM acting more feminine now (and during performances) when there are also times when he can be masculine. Yet he is still the performer (if we're saying he has these specific personalities).
I was a psych major long, long time ago, so I know dissociative disorders are real. But in respect to which personality does what is where I seek clarification (like in the example I used for JM).
Thoughts?
Because if I may be perfectly honest, I think he is bi. And referring to the group, I think they use drugs be it recreationally or medically. That could be why JM looked zoned out in that short clip in the car driving away (which was slowed down by the way). They are dancing less or have simple choreography. I can imagine some probably have aches and pains.
I know about how MK ultra programming works in shattering the core personality, resulting in creating dissociative personalities and identities. Hence, the personalities are unknown to each other. If this is the case, how are the different personalities still able to be the performer when it is time to, no matter which one is chosen? I thought about this when someone brought up JM acting more feminine now (and during performances) when there are also times when he can be masculine. Yet he is still the performer (if we're saying he has these specific personalities).
I was a psych major long, long time ago, so I know dissociative disorders are real. But in respect to which personality does what is where I seek clarification (like in the example I used for JM).
Thoughts?
Because if I may be perfectly honest, I think he is bi. And referring to the group, I think they use drugs be it recreationally or medically. That could be why JM looked zoned out in that short clip in the car driving away (which was slowed down by the way). They are dancing less or have simple choreography. I can imagine some probably have aches and pains.
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THANK YOU! WELL SAID!
I remember this!!! it was a very strong rumor from korea pann and it was an older woman I think she was even married
You also have V and his fansite, he was taking "excusive" pictures for her after she gave him an i phone..
And I posted here about rich fans paying to wear BTS used clothes and sit next to them on planes....who knows what else they can get if they pay? these guys are basically escorts
I thought the same about bp... that one older male artist comenting on jennie pic, the guy holding rose guy holding rose waist on pic, justin bieber following lisa on ig after coachella
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Yep! I remember that rumor about TH!
Decorative prostitutes. Wow. The cost for money and fame. If the higher ups want something in exchange, they can't deny it unless they suffer the consequences like being exposed or losing their career. Yeah, these boys are innocent all right [/sarcasm]. It ain't worth it in the end. They can't even meet with family often.
And to think of how many Kpop stars started out so young and lost their innocence. Can't tell me they don't have issues and escape mechanisms.
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Watching this interview seemed like a joke if i was to watch this as someone who doesn't know them especially for an average american audience who has no clue about kpop. their answers were not substantial or serious at all.. dunno if that was what they were told to answer or directed to say, like i said, you can't believe everything you see at face value. that's the entertainment business! you can see the host trying to be ask serious questions (where do you see yourself in 10 years?) but their answers were all just messing around or playing around. im sure they're used to that act/image for the fans but other people will not take them seriously as musicians/artist if they continue this act. im not surprised with all the negative comments from non-fans on their interview and performance. im just sitting here letting the two sides debate.
