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Can y’all stop leaving these dramatic posts. If you want to leave, leave.
They leave these "dramatic" posts because they've been here for a while, and they've got to know other members of this thread, so in a way it is pretty emotional for them to leave. It's out the kindness of their heart to leave a message explaining why they're leaving. If you can't stand emotional messages, then either stay here and deal with it or take your leave. If YOU want to leave, leave.
 






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The third vid..did he not realize that it had christian lyrics?? and he was trying hard not to smile like he doesnt wanna show he likes the message of the song cuz hes all satanic and shiet lol. Lately hes been looking like he just woke up from 2 hours of sleep. I mean shouldnt the fans question why the rest of the other members are barely interacting with them?? Tae is making them bias him more, they are always drooling about how hot and boyfriend material he is more and more on every vlive. Theyve gone crazy addicted for attention and interactions from him

Woooow taehyung exposed us! Bts really are managing on their own with no control! He showed us on LIVE?! guys what are we gonna do now?? We look like fools thinking all this time they were being handled by staff!

A gay song? Gotta credit the services they do/offer....
They exposed us? Can you tell me what they said because I can't look at Twitter rn, the web page is blocked.
 






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They exposed us? Can you tell me what they said because I can't look at Twitter rn, the web page is blocked.
I was being sarcastic cuz this fan thinks that just because he showed his phone replying on weverse LIVE on camera, that that shows they truly are free individuals who arent controlled by the staff/handlers at all loll. But he didnt say anything specifically
 






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I added a lot of things on my blog, even if it is not yet finished ... It has a lot of interesting things, which I recently found:
I think you should write in English bcz not many people knows french, my mother do, but I don't..so I think English is more widely used
 






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I am a lurker who has no interest in discussions any longer, but I must point out something nobody has noticed yet, so take this info as you will:


In Islamic hijri calendar the number year this "year" is 1441 - It starts from last year September 2019 until the 21st August 2020. That number on the wall is clearly 1441, I cannot see anything else to me, that was the first thing I saw. The 1441 is also made to look like a complete tally mark dualistically, which is reminiscent of the tally marks that was on a certain celebrity(s) before their suicide. Also interesting is that there is an additional mark after the 5th tally mark, which shows an extra line, so 6 tally marks. I do not know what the dot next to the line means.


The sixth month of 1441 starts on 27th of January 2020 and ends on 26th of February 2020. . .(that's also rather close to the beginning of the chinese new year of the rat [25th January 2020] ). Also I find it interesting that as soon as their holiday ended last year in August the first country they visited after they returned to the tour is Saudi, where this calendar was established [if this info is incorrect please correct me]. That last part may be a bit of a stretch, and I do not know if this means anything or if anything will occur, but make of this info what you will. Also https://btskpopilluminatitheory.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/predictive-programming-and-blood-sacrifice-rituals/ speaks about this as well. Even if the calendar part is incorrect I do feel that is a tally mark of some sort.


To add my opinion, I think if they do 'kill' (whether it'll be hoax or real is up to speculation) it will be for 4 reasons :


1) To pay their dues for the 'unseen' they have contracted themselves to for world power and fame

2) To spread mass negative energy among the youth and create a traumatic bond

3) Amass more power and prestige in the underworld they are secretly a part of. This would put them on a totally new level if they go along with this,

4) To further the dajjalic agenda on the world stage (the UN is a front to move the world to the dajjalic world order, which is why they (BT_5) were even allowed to speak there to begin with. There are plenty on videos online which point to the true purpose of UN, said by the UN themselves on what their true purpose is. Hint: It's luciferian and dajjalic in nature)


I believe I came here a while back just when I was starting to get obsessed with them but lurking here for info and then consciously making a decision to leave this place for what I believe is a year made me totally lose interest in them. I only come for the other threads now occasionally, rarely this one, which these days is almost never. But I also notice too many sink a large chunk of their time into them while claiming to have 'left' listening to their music, which btw if you have not left listening to the music, you haven't left the influence. Well I suppose whatever you choose to do at the end of the day is your own choosing. Life is a series of choices after all.

Disclaimer: All of what I said is speculative and is an opinion. The hijiri calendar is just a calendar and I believe it was simply used to mark a date, nothing more and nothing less. They don't flash satanic symbols for nothing, it is all part of the larger agenda and if you don't believe that our world is moving to the one world order as detailed by prominent UN former members like Alice Bailey then understanding the world stage will be difficult to do. All the world is a stage.
I know you don't want to be here..but if you see that, can you explain this
"2) To spread mass negative energy among the youth and create a traumatic bond"
what is traumatic bond?
 






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Hi everyone I started reading this forum for nearly 2 years now so I decided to come and post.
It wasn't the fame but their choices in their act. I find it so weird tae is the only one that seen on v live the past 2 months 3x

There's so many off things with black Swan MV I can talk about and I have notes of theories on sacrifices in future

This is all not a coincidence! There's a lot of weird things
 






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Hi everyone I started reading this forum for nearly 2 years now so I decided to come and post.
It wasn't the fame but their choices in their act. I find it so weird tae is the only one that seen on v live the past 2 months 3x

There's so many off things with black Swan MV I can talk about and I have notes of theories on sacrifices in future

This is all not a coincidence! There's a lot of weird things
Hello and i would be interested in hearing what youve been noting/thinking!
 






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The title, the text ... are written in dark red are in English.
Yeah I don't know when you posted this, but for anyone who wanted to know what the title says, it says "Analyzing the death that's very possible of Jin" or something like that. I've been taking French classes for two and a half years at my school, so if anyone here speaks French, feel free to allow me to translate 'less you want to Google translate it yourself.
 






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Hi everyone I started reading this forum for nearly 2 years now so I decided to come and post.
It wasn't the fame but their choices in their act. I find it so weird tae is the only one that seen on v live the past 2 months 3x

There's so many off things with black Swan MV I can talk about and I have notes of theories on sacrifices in future

This is all not a coincidence! There's a lot of weird things
Hello love! Go ahead and tell us what you think, otherwise enjoy your stay here as you begin to have sight of the truth!
 






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Yeah I don't know when you posted this, but for anyone who wanted to know what the title says, it says "Analyzing the death that's very possible of Jin" or something like that. I've been taking French classes for two and a half years at my school, so if anyone here speaks French, feel free to allow me to translate 'less you want to Google translate it yourself.
I prefer to finish the article, before asking you. As I do not stop adding things… I put for the moment a provisional translation, before in making a definitive one.
 






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I know you don't want to be here..but if you see that, can you explain this
"2) To spread mass negative energy among the youth and create a traumatic bond"
what is traumatic bond?

Since I haven't been here in a while lol I can flex my writing fingers today. I either write nothing at all or too much and you can tell below which I did.


Here's a wiki definition lifted: Traumatic bonding occurs as the result of ongoing cycles of abuse in which the intermittent reinforcement of reward and punishment creates powerful emotional bonds that are resistant to change.


Most idol groups have A) the idol and B) the fan. Overtime the positive bond between A and B increases, with events, emotional responses of idols and the like. The fan grows with the idol and vice versa, creating this intimate bond of closeness. Sometimes the fan feels as though they are getting too much happiness and they get sad because of it...this is where the drama and obsession begins...


The idol tends to share a lot of their life and so the fan feels close to the idol as though they are personal to them and understand them. This creates a very strong bond and connection, and for many an obsession. because humans aren't used to seeing this much of other humans unless they are close with them, so naturally that's how any person would react, the human mind is designed for that. Seeing on this level, with this frequency, is like constant dopamine hits to the fan...it feels good for the first time but then you need more. Well you can almost say like drugs in a way, or any addiction really.


With the aid of visual hypnosis trance (flashing/pulsing lights), musical tones and the looks of the idol ofc...the trap is set. Like cheese in a trap to a mouse the game is on.


The idol sometimes realises their power and plays with it to test the waters, before confidently parading this power. Taehyung is a massive example, he likes to pretend to be sad to get the girls/boys who are his biggest fans to pine over him and obsess over him because he likes the feeling of being worshipped and revels in it, or sometimes he does subtle things on purpose to get his fans' attention. Recently to stroke his ever growing ego he associates with famous people who are successful to make himself appear 'above' everyone else. [even when I avoid bts he's hanging around successful actors and older people so it was hard not to notice lol] (The company plays on this too because any 'clue' dropped will be consumed by the fanbase and that's more money into B1g_H1T.)


On the other end you have the once normal person (now a crazed fan) see-sawing from one extreme of emotions into the next, trying to analyse every move and action. Now A (idol) emotionally controls B (fan). C (company) also controls fan through the storylines in the music videos, or through creating non-existent drama or sad stories. Now B is codependant and enmeshed on A and C. [This is why I strongly believe these companies have researched psychology and marketing and have perfected the formula for ensnaring a fan emotionally]


Once this emotion, usually total devotion is at its peak, they cut the cord. The cord usually being human life (soul). Something tragic happens, perhaps death or worse, and because the fan is so emotionally enmeshed with the idol, the despair and horror bleeds onto the fan, who by now is totally unguarded from any emotional boundaries from their idol because they 100% trust them and...well IDOLise them to the point where they don't feel separate from the fandom or the idol. Their death at the height of their career, can create a huge trauma in the fan. This cycle of reward and 'punishment' in a way is now complete, with the biggest reward (height of career= which fans think they helped to achieve with idol and years of commitment) and punishment (idol death, which was hinted ofc in the music videos and planted in fan theories), the fan is totally lost in the world of the idol, much like many people are to old dead celebrities, and then they become an icon beyond the ages, never to be forgotten.


It's an unhealthy bond and these kpop companies have thoroughly planned every aspect of idolism and know how to play with people. They designed it so that as many people as possible are obsessed with the idol and therefore work as diligently as possible to elevate and fund the company. Also the severing of the bond or the cut of a life is usually huge negative energy in occultic circles. But just psychologically speaking, there are millions and millions of fans, to the point where even non-fans will hear the news. When a person who has mental health issues is struggling and hears the news, it becomes like an additional trauma trigger in many who already have traumatic wounds from the past and it generally spreads negative energy like wildfire. This is why when a celebrity commits suicide the rate of suicide usually increases. If this was to happen in the world's most popular boy group, whose main demographic is teens and young adults...and a large chunk of the fandom claims that 'bts' is a healing to them...(because they suffer with mental health issues), how would that make millions of fans feel? How would they react?



If we go back this experiment of sorts started with the beatles, which is why BT_5 keep getting compared to them. Note thet John Lennon was murdered from the beatles as well, which was also probably part of the programming on the beatles fanbase. Beatles is a government creation and experiment...they used to put screaming girls in a crowd before fandoms were a thing to train people into fan behaviour. I think the data from the beatles has been perfected and then the testing ground or final work was done in Korea. Why they chose Korea Idk but their country is ruled by the occult (shamanism) and they became rural country into 1st world country in like 40 years...there's no way you can speed into 1st world country status that fast without some corruption.


Anyways I wrote quite a lot but to summarise, a trauma bond is about the rewards and punishments the company/idol gives to the fan at high rates which creates an emotionally obsessive bond of idealising the idol and devaluing the self (hating the self). It's an emotional rollercoaster and an addicting one which is hard to leave, much like toxic relationships (family or otherwise). The difference between a normal fan of a musician and a kpop fan is the fandom culture created to be very toxic and invested in the lives of the idols and this is what makes it harder to leave , since this unhealthy dynamic is normalised by the idol, company, kpop fans and Korean Netizens themselves.


Anyways that's all I gotta say on the matter. Hope that helps.
 






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I know you don't want to be here..but if you see that, can you explain this
"2) To spread mass negative energy among the youth and create a traumatic bond"
what is traumatic bond?
Traumatic bond is a strong emotional attachment between an abused person and their abuser. Another definition (less psychology) is the connection between people who share the same type of traumatic experiences ie. two people trapped in a survival situation (homelessness, drug addiction, hostage situations, ect.) together coming out of the situation with a really strong bond from said shared experience. Really crazy, as we talked about this in class today.

In the case of what I think this person is talking about, it's like Taehyung spreading depression with his emo personality.


Edit: Oops, guess I'm too late. Well, mine is the abridged version ^_^
 






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I wonder what hoseok is trying to say. Theres no batteries in the "bad" box and the "good" box is full of batteries. It can be a hint of a new song or mean something else.

lol i would also react that way seeing tae drunk texting all night. I think maybe tae wants to get the most energy and attraction of the fans and isnt letting other members interact with them as much. They seem to not even want to come online because tae is just stealing all of the attention anyways
 






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I like that more people who have been reading this thread for a long time are starting to come post, I’m one of them.

I took a hiatus from BTS’ fandom for a while, a few months after I attended one of their concerts which I want to share my experience with the energy I felt there.

it felt like being part of a mass cult gathering where you’re listening to your leaders feed you lies and everyone eats it up, it was borderline horrific. The energy was so incredibly soul sucking and depressing that I decided to just not attend the second day. I’m posting here now because I’m obsessed again somehow and enough is enough, I’m aware that they are truly evil and it all adds up. I didn’t believe it at first and I was fairly dismissive of everything I read here, but they way they keep sucking in a person like myself who is otherwise fairly grounded in reality is very telling about the manipulation tactics they use. While I might be a “fan” I at least have some cognitive dissonance of being aware of what’s happening to me and sadly millions of others who are more naive and impressionable and aren’t willing to see the light.
 






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View attachment 30968

This link contains a lot of the images (with explanations): https://btskpopilluminatitheory.wordpress.com/2018/07/02/predictive-programming-and-blood-sacrifice-rituals/

Thanks for bringing this up! It really would seem like a Black Swan event, especially since the main character seemingly dies at the end of that movie/the last perfomance. Yikes. The images of V with that bloodstain that have recently been shared doesn't make sense to me, though. Does it mean he's going to have blood on his hands soon (or even more of it lmao), or is he going to die as well?

Yes, good spotting that. No, V isn't going to be the first sacrifice as there isn't enough evidence over time to point to it. Like stated, Bang Shi Hyuk heavily centres everything they do on predictive programming. Their concepts are planned years earlier. There's points in their older videos that have nods to music videos that have only came out recently which led me to the predictive programming understanding. Everything is planned meticulously and nothing has been pushed so hard for so long as the concept of Jin's possible death in 2020.

As you know, both Jin and V are December children. There's an old clip wherein Taehyung talks about his Dad giving him a watch as a present on his becoming an "apprentice" in Switzerland (Freemasonry uses the language/terms of certain words such as "apprentice" often to denote newer recruits into their chapters.)

Getting back to that point about Taehyung being an apprentice in a moment, if you look at the imagery from BS&T music video, Jin kisses an angel of death statue (similar to the one that a Ladies Code singer kissed before she died in a car crash - another K-pop sacrifice that was clearly premeditated as evidenced by the heavy symbolism and predictive programming in their last music videos before their untimely death). Now guess who plays that angel of death in the live performances of BS&T? Well, when they performed it, it was Taehyung that had the costume design for dark angel wings.

What I'm attempting to say is: V isn't going to be killed but in a roundabout way there will be "blood on his hands". The combination of him being an "apprentice" for some organization he never specified, AND being presented as the angel of death in the live performance after Jin kissed it in the music video is not inconsequential. As an apprentice, perhaps Jin was one of the many that he introduced to whatever cult he was a part of. So in that sense he is "responsible". Or perhaps Jin's sacrifice will be in his name (which is why he played the angel in the live performance)? But he's definitely not going first. Hope this wasn't too long.
 






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I just realised that if Jin goes out this year he'll be part of the 27 club. Although I don't 100% believe in that phenomenon because I think it's mainly coincidence (as other artists are offed by the illuminati at various different ages - one grand example is Michael Jackson). However, Kurt Cobain was also a part of the 27 club and even if it's coincidence it really makes you think in a different light about BigHit Ent's stupid obsession with Nirvana, scribbling their lyrics in the background sets of the Fire MV. Lol...... F*cking weird ass sickos...
 






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Since I haven't been here in a while lol I can flex my writing fingers today. I either write nothing at all or too much and you can tell below which I did.


Here's a wiki definition lifted: Traumatic bonding occurs as the result of ongoing cycles of abuse in which the intermittent reinforcement of reward and punishment creates powerful emotional bonds that are resistant to change.


Most idol groups have A) the idol and B) the fan. Overtime the positive bond between A and B increases, with events, emotional responses of idols and the like. The fan grows with the idol and vice versa, creating this intimate bond of closeness. Sometimes the fan feels as though they are getting too much happiness and they get sad because of it...this is where the drama and obsession begins...


The idol tends to share a lot of their life and so the fan feels close to the idol as though they are personal to them and understand them. This creates a very strong bond and connection, and for many an obsession. because humans aren't used to seeing this much of other humans unless they are close with them, so naturally that's how any person would react, the human mind is designed for that. Seeing on this level, with this frequency, is like constant dopamine hits to the fan...it feels good for the first time but then you need more. Well you can almost say like drugs in a way, or any addiction really.


With the aid of visual hypnosis trance (flashing/pulsing lights), musical tones and the looks of the idol ofc...the trap is set. Like cheese in a trap to a mouse the game is on.


The idol sometimes realises their power and plays with it to test the waters, before confidently parading this power. Taehyung is a massive example, he likes to pretend to be sad to get the girls/boys who are his biggest fans to pine over him and obsess over him because he likes the feeling of being worshipped and revels in it, or sometimes he does subtle things on purpose to get his fans' attention. Recently to stroke his ever growing ego he associates with famous people who are successful to make himself appear 'above' everyone else. [even when I avoid bts he's hanging around successful actors and older people so it was hard not to notice lol] (The company plays on this too because any 'clue' dropped will be consumed by the fanbase and that's more money into B1g_H1T.)


On the other end you have the once normal person (now a crazed fan) see-sawing from one extreme of emotions into the next, trying to analyse every move and action. Now A (idol) emotionally controls B (fan). C (company) also controls fan through the storylines in the music videos, or through creating non-existent drama or sad stories. Now B is codependant and enmeshed on A and C. [This is why I strongly believe these companies have researched psychology and marketing and have perfected the formula for ensnaring a fan emotionally]


Once this emotion, usually total devotion is at its peak, they cut the cord. The cord usually being human life (soul). Something tragic happens, perhaps death or worse, and because the fan is so emotionally enmeshed with the idol, the despair and horror bleeds onto the fan, who by now is totally unguarded from any emotional boundaries from their idol because they 100% trust them and...well IDOLise them to the point where they don't feel separate from the fandom or the idol. Their death at the height of their career, can create a huge trauma in the fan. This cycle of reward and 'punishment' in a way is now complete, with the biggest reward (height of career= which fans think they helped to achieve with idol and years of commitment) and punishment (idol death, which was hinted ofc in the music videos and planted in fan theories), the fan is totally lost in the world of the idol, much like many people are to old dead celebrities, and then they become an icon beyond the ages, never to be forgotten.


It's an unhealthy bond and these kpop companies have thoroughly planned every aspect of idolism and know how to play with people. They designed it so that as many people as possible are obsessed with the idol and therefore work as diligently as possible to elevate and fund the company. Also the severing of the bond or the cut of a life is usually huge negative energy in occultic circles. But just psychologically speaking, there are millions and millions of fans, to the point where even non-fans will hear the news. When a person who has mental health issues is struggling and hears the news, it becomes like an additional trauma trigger in many who already have traumatic wounds from the past and it generally spreads negative energy like wildfire. This is why when a celebrity commits suicide the rate of suicide usually increases. If this was to happen in the world's most popular boy group, whose main demographic is teens and young adults...and a large chunk of the fandom claims that 'bts' is a healing to them...(because they suffer with mental health issues), how would that make millions of fans feel? How would they react?



If we go back this experiment of sorts started with the beatles, which is why BT_5 keep getting compared to them. Note thet John Lennon was murdered from the beatles as well, which was also probably part of the programming on the beatles fanbase. Beatles is a government creation and experiment...they used to put screaming girls in a crowd before fandoms were a thing to train people into fan behaviour. I think the data from the beatles has been perfected and then the testing ground or final work was done in Korea. Why they chose Korea Idk but their country is ruled by the occult (shamanism) and they became rural country into 1st world country in like 40 years...there's no way you can speed into 1st world country status that fast without some corruption.


Anyways I wrote quite a lot but to summarise, a trauma bond is about the rewards and punishments the company/idol gives to the fan at high rates which creates an emotionally obsessive bond of idealising the idol and devaluing the self (hating the self). It's an emotional rollercoaster and an addicting one which is hard to leave, much like toxic relationships (family or otherwise). The difference between a normal fan of a musician and a kpop fan is the fandom culture created to be very toxic and invested in the lives of the idols and this is what makes it harder to leave , since this unhealthy dynamic is normalised by the idol, company, kpop fans and Korean Netizens themselves.


Anyways that's all I gotta say on the matter. Hope that helps.
you explain it very will..thanks for that
you are like talking about the story of my life sadly :(..about the fan B lol(I think all Kpop fans can relate to that)
No wonder, my father found its weird I am so invested in the idols details of there life and he think its odd, its Kpop companies tried to make seems normal while obviously it isn't.

and I didn't knows that during beatles time the government put screaming girls(I thought that those are real fans)..I wonder if they do that in the Kpop concerts? who knows, those companies I believe do everything
and about why they choose Korea...my guess, is that they found the country religiously weak, and can easily be converted into something else, and thats what happen..and yeah you are right about Korea fast transformation, I didn't knows that Korea used to be not advanced country, and my parent keep telling me Korea is backward, I told them they are wrong, it turns out during my parent time Korea weren't advanced country like today, they transformed sharply in a small amount of time, its impossible this is happening without interference from the Illuminati and there agenda, and also people there doing some satanic thing for this thing to happen
 






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I just realised that if Jin goes out this year he'll be part of the 27 club. Although I don't 100% believe in that phenomenon because I think it's mainly coincidence (as other artists are offed by the illuminati at various different ages - one grand example is Michael Jackson). However, Kurt Cobain was also a part of the 27 club and even if it's coincidence it really makes you think in a different light about BigHit Ent's stupid obsession with Nirvana, scribbling their lyrics in the background sets of the Fire MV. Lol...... F*cking weird ass sickos...
also SM was obsessed with Kurt cobain and Nirvana, they pushed Jonghyun to post about him, and even made him wearing his suicide note...this Kurt Cobain thing is creepy
 






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