“Don’t force your help on people who are not willing to change”

[Lisa]

I feel you're not self-aware of how you come across as potentially prideful and stubborn.

Sorry, I didn’t see this added until after I posted. Thanks for the input. I can be stubborn, but then I haven’t seen where I am wrong in my thinking yet on some things.
I don’t see myself as potentially prideful..I am only trying to help people know the Bible.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

No, I’m actually not. I’m talking about love and unconditional love. That seems to me to be what is got everyone confused, not being in love and loving unconditionally.

That's fine. However, I still stand by what I stated and I still think you haven't experienced or expressed it, which is the reason why you don't understand what people here are trying to explain to you.

 

[Lisa]

That's fine. However, I still stand by what I stated and I still think you haven't experienced or expressed it, which is the reason why you don't understand what people here are trying to explain to you.

I kinda feel like you guys are the ones who don’t understand.

 

[Orwell's mentor]

I feel you're not self-aware of how you come across as potentially prideful and stubborn.

This ^^^!!!!!

 

[Orwell's mentor]

I kinda feel like you guys are the ones who don’t understand.

Of COURSE you would, Lisa!

 

[Lisa]

un·con·di·tion·al\ˌən-kən-ˈdish-nəl, -ˈdi-shə-nəl\
adjective
: not limited in any way : complete and absolute
so If we talk about unconditional love, then we say that it is not limited in any way...

bound·ary\ˈbau̇n-d(ə-)rē\
noun
: something (such as a river, a fence, or an imaginary line) that shows where an area ends and another area begins
: a point or limit that indicates where two things become different
: unofficial rules about what should not be done : limits that define acceptable behavior
Aren’t boundaries conditional? Then can you really say that you have unconditional love if you have boundaries?

I think that with boundaries in love it is still called love, but you can’t technically say it’s unconditional. Also, if you fight with someone you love, and come to a compromise..is that still unconditional love? Wouldn’t that mean that there was an agreed condition on that love?

 

[Eternal Salvation]

Very well, it's obvioius you don't know the God I know.
The whole reason he sent Jesus was so that everybody could be reconciled. He is the Savior of the entire world, not just those that believe.

Yep and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess he is Lord regardless but not everyone is going to get saved. I can give you over 50 verses for this topic.

 

[justjess]

Honestly, I think I understand it better than you right now.

Saying you can’t come to my house high because I have kids in no way negates the love you have for a person nor does it diminish it

 

[Lisa]

Saying you can’t come to my house high because I have kids in no way negates the love you have for a person nor does it diminish it

I never said it negates your love, but I am saying that it does mean your love is conditional.

 

[Eternal Salvation]

You guys do know that God loves everyone except those who sold their souls right? That means everyone still has a chance to repent. But it doesn't mean everyone will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[justjess]

I never said it negates your love, but I am saying that it does mean your love is conditional.

No Lisa it means entrance into my home is conditional. The love doesn’t change or diminish in any way.

 

[Lisa]

No Lisa it means entrance into my home is conditional. The love doesn’t change or diminish in any way.

The love has changed..they can’t come over unless they keep it together that is a condition on your love. They can take it or leave it..so they have to bow down to your wishes. I understand you still love those people but there is a condition to that love.

 

[justjess]

The love has changed..they can’t come over unless they keep it together that is a condition on your love. They can take it or leave it..so they have to bow down to your wishes. I understand you still love those people but there is a condition to that love.

No Lisa the love has not changed. If I still love those people then clearly the condition isn’t on the love. It’s only on entrance to my home.

Love is a feeling and a verb. The feeling is still there, the actions showing love are still there. Nothing is missing.

You want to insist this because you apparantly believe gods love is limited, so ours must be. But even if everything you believe about god is true that doesn’t even mean his love is limited. He can put boundaries and conditions on entrance into his house (heaven) without loving anyone any less.

The only difference here is god is GOD and has the ability to prevent people from taking actions which would limit their access. Sending them to eternal punishment for such actions would be unloving and egotistical.

 

[justjess]

I never said it negates your love, but I am saying that it does mean your love is conditional.

“If you get high I won’t love you anymore and we can’t be friends”

That’s conditional love.

“I love you but you can’t come to my house high because it isn’t healthy for my children. Let me know how I can help you when your ready. I’m always here for you no matter what”

Is not conditional love.

 

[Lisa]

No Lisa the love has not changed. If I still love those people then clearly the condition isn’t on the love. It’s only on entrance to my home.

Love is a feeling and a verb. The feeling is still there, the actions showing love are still there. Nothing is missing.

You want to insist this because you apparantly believe gods love is limited, so ours must be. But even if everything you believe about god is true that doesn’t even mean his love is limited. He can put boundaries and conditions on entrance into his house (heaven) without loving anyone any less.

The only difference here is god is GOD and has the ability to prevent people from taking actions which would limit their access to eternal punishment for such actions would be unloving and egotistical.

You still want them to come over because you love them but and there is a but here..they can only come as long as they respect your boundary, so then you really can’t say you love them unconditionally.

No, I don’t believe God’s love is limited but He doesn’t love unconditionally. He does love though.
If He puts a boundary on His house then that means His love is conditional on that boundary being met.

I have no idea what you mean by the last paragraph?

 

[Todd]

Yep and every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess he is Lord regardless but not everyone is going to get saved. I can give you over 50 verses for this topic.

The full context of that verse is every knee shall bow and every tongue confess to the glory of God. How does he failure of God to bring about his desire bring glory to him? You have a sick, peverted sense of glory if you think that people bowing and confessing Jesus is Lord by torture brings glory to God.

BTW I can give you over 200 verses for universal reconciliation.

 

[Todd]

in this shall all know that ye are my disciples, if ye may have love one to another.
This thread is making it plain who the real disciples of Jesus are here.

 

[Robin]

The full context of that verse is every knee shall bow and every tongue confess to the glory of God. How does he failure of God to bring about his desire bring glory to him? You have a sick, peverted sense of glory if you think that people bowing and confessing Jesus is Lord by torture brings glory to God.

BTW I can give you over 200 verses for universal reconciliation.

If she won't ask you to share them, can I?

 

[justjess]

You still want them to come over because you love them but and there is a but here..they can only come as long as they respect your boundary, so then you really can’t say you love them unconditionally.

No, I don’t believe God’s love is limited but He doesn’t love unconditionally. He does love though.
If He puts a boundary on His house then that means His love is conditional on that boundary being met.

I have no idea what you mean by the last paragraph?

The condition is only on entry to my home Lisa. Not my love. Are you really that incredibly dense? Is someone paying you to post this way?

 

[Lisa]

“If you get high I won’t love you anymore and we can’t be friends”

That’s conditional love.

“I love you but you can’t come to my house high because it isn’t healthy for my children. Let me know how I can help you when your ready. I’m always here for you no matter what”

Is not conditional love.

Yes it is, when you say I love you you can’t come to my house because x then you just made a condition. If you say I love come on over, I don’t care what you do, that is unconstitutional love.