“Don’t force your help on people who are not willing to change”

[justjess]

I think you really don’t get it..you said you put boundaries up but still love unconditionally..you can’t love unconditionally but have boundaries.

Yes you most definately can.

Is there anything your children can do that would make you stop loving them? Is there literally not a single person in your life you’ve stopped being around but still love?

 

[Todd]

I think you really don’t get it..you said you put boundaries up but still love unconditionally..you can’t love unconditionally but have boundaries.

Why not?

 

[Lisa]

Yes the scripture that uses the greek word "aionios" is what counts. Please explain how aionios does not really mean "pertaining to the ages".

If that was really the translation, Todd, we would have it in our Bibles, but its not in there like that. It is lasting forever and ever...never ending.

 

[Todd]

If that was really the translation, Todd, we would have it in our Bibles, but its not in there like that. It is lasting forever and ever...never ending.

Young's Literal Translation:
Revelation 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.

The error of English translations does not change the actual meaing of the original greek word Lisa.

 

[Lisa]

Boundaries does not equal conditional love. God put a boundary with Adam and Eve about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Was that unloving or was He a loving Father protecting His children?

Are you so un self-aware or is this all just a game to you? It saddens me.i pity you.

I thought that it was a test with the tree? A boundary is still a condition of love. You love that person but...
Unconditional love is no boundaries at all.

What should I be self aware about?

 

[elsbet]

Isn’t that agreeing with them?

No. It isn't.

Loving someone unconditionally is impossible, apart from Christ. However, love, in this case, is an action word.. not a feeling.

AGAPE
... enkindled by the Holy Spirit

 

[Lisa]

Yes you most definately can.

Is there anything your children can do that would make you stop loving them? Is there literally not a single person in your life you’ve stopped being around but still love?

If you stopped being around them but still love..then you’ve put a condition on that love haven’t you?

 

[Lisa]

Why not?

Isn’t unconditional love, loving without condition? Then it stands to reason that boundaries, are a condition.

 

[Lisa]

Young's Literal Translation:
Revelation 20:10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.

The error of English translations does not change the actual meaing of the original greek word Lisa.

Ya, you can get a translation that says that...probably leaves out Paul’s letters to satisfy you too Todd

 

[Lisa]

No. It isn't.

Loving someone unconditionally is impossible, apart from Christ. However, love, in this case, is an action word.. not a feeling.

AGAPE
... enkindled by the Holy Spirit

Does God love unconditionally?

 

[justjess]

I am just going to put this here... I have a lot of addicts in my life. A lot. Pretty much every single one of my close friends has been lost to addiction either permanently or for long spans of time. I love them all dearly. I have pulled them out of gutters, housed them, clothed them, helped them in any way I possibly could. But at this point in my life they are only welcome here if they are ready to quit - I will detox them myself, take them to rehab whatever. But they can’t come here if they are getting high because I can’t have that around my kids. That doesn’t mean I stopped loving them. I’ll never stop loving them. I just have to love them from a distance for the safety and well being of my own children.

Anytime they call, I’m here. If they go missing I will be driving around finding them pulling them back again. No matter how many times. They need food or rides to a dr or something for their kids, I’m here. They want help I will drive hours to get them and either let them clean up here or take them somewhere and hold their hand until they’re admitted. Every step of the way. Always, no matter what. If they die I will be heart broken. That’s love with boundaries Lisa. Boundaries don’t mean love stops.

But to compare this with a god... I agree with Todd’s version of correction. Nothing else makes sense.

 

[justjess]

If you stopped being around them but still love..then you’ve put a condition on that love haven’t you?

No Lisa. The love isn’t conditional since it’s still there. Conditional love is - do xyz and I don’t love you anymore or unless you do xyz I won’t love you.

 

[Lisa]

I am just going to put this here... I have a lot of addicts in my life. A lot. Pretty much every single one of my close friends has been lost to addiction either permanently or for long spans of time. I love them all dearly. I have pulled them out of gutters, housed them, clothed them, helped them in any way I possibly could. But at this point in my life they are only welcome here if they are ready to quit - I will detox them myself, take them to rehab whatever. But they can’t come here if they are getting high because I can’t have that around my kids. That doesn’t mean I stopped loving them. I’ll never stop loving them. I just have to love them from a distance for the safety and well being of my own children.

Anytime they call, I’m here. If they go missing I will be driving around finding them pulling them back again. No matter how many times. They need food or rides to a dr or something for their kids, I’m here. They want help I will drive hours to get them and either let them clean up here or take them somewhere and hold their hand until they’re admitted. Every step of the way. Always, no matter what. If they die I will be heart broken. That’s love with boundaries Lisa. Boundaries don’t mean love stops.

But to compare this with a god... I agree with Todd’s version of correction. Nothing else makes sense.

But you still have a boundary to your love for them..if it was really unconditional then you wouldn’t have any boundary to your love for them.

 

[Lisa]

No Lisa. The love isn’t conditional since it’s still there. Conditional love is - do xyz and I don’t love you anymore or unless you do xyz I won’t love you.

But, you still have a condition on that love, you said that “they are only welcome here if they are ready to quit.” That’s a condition isn’t it? “I just have to love them from a distance for the safety and well being of my own children” is still a condition of that love.

 

[Eternal Salvation]

At this point, this discussion turned into a debate of "Unconditional love"

God said not to debate with others. I still love you guys, and I understand this is a mistake but it's not right.

This started out as a discussion, turned into an argument, back to a discussion, turned back into an argument, and then it turned into a debate.

We can all see eye to eye that some of us just don't have the same views. If there's anything I learned it's what's the point of continuously talking with someone who doesn't agree with me? All I can do is TRULY know the answer through the Holy Spirit.

Example, my sister things we are Israelites and our family comes from the tribe of Judah. Me? I don't know about that, and my parents disagree with her because they don't care about special titles, all they care about is serving the Lord and enduring until the end. My sister and I had a conversation where she was like "God loves Israelites the most! In many verses, he says we are his people and that we are above every other nation!" I knew she was taking PRIDE in that and I also knew God does NOT have any favorites as mentioned in MULTIPLE scriptures, so it's safe to say she's wrong but if she doesn't think so, what more can I do?

Anyways, this can go on for months...
Here's my opinion though. If you love unconditionally, it means you love someone no matter what they do. If your.... mom murdered your father, you would dislike what they did, but you would still love them unconditionally. Jesus sat with sinners and taught them the Gospel! I think that's what we should do as well.

Honestly, I don't think God loves EVERYONE anyways. I believe he only loves who he chooses because you know how a lot of people claim when they pray, they don't get an answer? It's because they aren't praying through faith, they're doing it out of pride. And God has stated in many verses that "BECAUSE you love me... ", " The RIGHTEOUS have their prayers answered... ", "Walk with me HUMBLY...", etc etc. I know for a fact he DOES NOT love satanists IF he knows they will choose to worship satan until they're done for.

Everyone is NOT born of God. Some people ARE, and some people AREN'T. The example I gave with Todd, those celebrity sellouts they were already born WICKED because for most of them, their parents sold their own children into the illuminati anyways so they are all wicked to begin with.

What's so hard to understand? Just because God is merciful and just does not mean he will NOT cast anyone into the lake of fire. Had he not bring Jesus, we would have probably all went there anyways unless some of us were chosen not to just like the whirlwind with Elijah! That was his name right? Honestly, I get some of his disciples mixed up.

 

[Robin]

But, you still have a condition on that love, you said that “they are only welcome here if they are ready to quit.” That’s a condition isn’t it? “I just have to love them from a distance for the safety and well being of my own children” is still a condition of that love.

I don't think you understand how unconditional love works.

 

[Lisa]

At this point, this discussion turned into a debate of "Unconditional love"

God said not to debate with others. I still love you guys, and I understand this is a mistake but it's not right.

This started out as a discussion, turned into an argument, back to a discussion, turned back into an argument, and then it turned into a debate.

We can all see eye to eye that some of us just don't have the same views. If there's anything I learned it's what's the point of continuously talking with someone who doesn't agree with me? All I can do is TRULY know the answer through the Holy Spirit.

Example, my sister things we are Israelites and our family comes from the tribe of Judah. Me? I don't know about that, and my parents disagree with her because they don't care about special titles, all they care about is serving the Lord and enduring until the end. My sister and I had a conversation where she was like "God loves Israelites the most! In many verses, he says we are his people and that we are above every other nation!" I knew she was taking PRIDE in that and I also knew God does NOT have any favorites as mentioned in MULTIPLE scriptures, so it's safe to say she's wrong but if she doesn't think so, what more can I do?

Anyways, this can go on for months...
Here's my opinion though. If you love unconditionally, it means you love someone no matter what they do. If your.... mom murdered your father, you would dislike what they did, but you would still love them unconditionally. Jesus sat with sinners and taught them the Gospel! I think that's what we should do as well.

Honestly, I don't think God loves EVERYONE anyways. I believe he only loves who he chooses because you know how a lot of people claim when they pray, they don't get an answer? It's because they aren't praying through faith, they're doing it out of pride. And God has stated in many verses that "BECAUSE you love me... ", " The RIGHTEOUS have their prayers answered... ", "Walk with me HUMBLY...", etc etc. I know for a fact he DOES NOT love satanists IF he knows they will choose to worship satan until they're done for.

Everyone is NOT born of God. Some people ARE, and some people AREN'T. The example I gave with Todd, those celebrity sellouts they were already born WICKED because for most of them, their parents sold their own children into the illuminati anyways so they are all wicked to begin with.

What's so hard to understand? Just because God is merciful and just does not mean he will NOT cast anyone into the lake of fire. Had he not bring Jesus, we would have probably all went there anyways unless some of us were chosen not to just like the whirlwind with Elijah! That was his name right? Honestly, I get some of his disciples mixed up.

I opened an unconditional love thread..

Did God say to not debate with others? In Jude 1:3 we are told to contend earnestly for the faith and in Proverbs 27:17 we are told iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.

It’s a forum, so we come to talk and then to argue our points, you just got here, it always turns into arguments.

I don’t know that God loves the Jews the most..but He is there chosen people, only they’ve gone away from Him when they rejected Jesus, that’s not anything to be proud of. You could pray for your sister...that’s always the best thing anyway.

God does love everyone..John 3:16 says that God so love the world..that’s everyone isn’t it?

Everyone is born wicked, eternal, the Bible says for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of Christ. Going to Hollywood doesn’t make you more wicked.

Yes, Elijah was his name but he was called a prophet not a disciple.

 

[justjess]

But, you still have a condition on that love, you said that “they are only welcome here if they are ready to quit.” That’s a condition isn’t it? “I just have to love them from a distance for the safety and well being of my own children” is still a condition of that love.

There’s no condition of the love. I have to assume your being purposely obtuse now.

 

[Lisa]

I don't think you understand how unconditional love works.

Well, I would imagine it would be something like, no matter what you do I will always love you...but if you say that no matter what you do I will always love you, then you say, but I can’t be around you because I have boundaries..then that’s really not unconditional love is it?

 

[Lisa]

There’s no condition off the love. I have to assume your being purposely obtuse now.

I’m not actually being obtuse or purposefully obtuse....I do happen to think that if you say you have boundaries with people than you can’t really say you have unconditional love for them.