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That is seriously hideous. Who tf came up with that idea
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I have no idea this was when they did there 3rd muster: House of ARMY:
RM:
jhope:
and SUGA dressed as a girl for one of their btsRUN episodes:
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I have already mention long time in this thread that Jonghyun death was a sacrifice to both BTS and Olympic Games, and these people who have died in the house was also sacrifice to this evil olympic gamesContinuing my post about Red Velvet's Bad Boy MV, there's something I missed that's covered by my favorite blogger, Jeremiah (https://blog.naver.com/esedae/221197568587).
The scene where Wendy was seen to be burning mannequins could be a reference to the 2017 Jecheon fire in South Korea.
Here's how the building looked like:
Yup, it's shaped just like a pyramid.
From independent.co.uk
South Korea sauna fire: At least 29 dead in major blaze at Jecheon fitness centre
A fire broke out Thursday at an eight-story building in the central South Korean city of Jecheon, killing 29 people and injuring 29 others, officials said.
A Jecheon fire department official said the toll could rise as rescuers continue to search the building after putting out the fire. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing office rules.
He said many of the people who died had been using a public bath on the second and third floors, which made it harder for them to escape.
From straitstimes.com
At least 29 killed in South Korea's deadliest fire in 9 years
The blaze – believed to have started in a vehicle parked on the ground floor –was put out in an hour and 50 minutes, the fire agency said.
One eye-witness told Chosun Ilbo he heard a loud bang before seeing the car bursting into flames. The fire spread quickly and soon engulfed the entire building, TV footage has shown.
The second and third floors of the building house saunas and public baths, while fitness facilities are located from the fourth to seventh floors. The eighth floor houses a cafeteria. Twenty of the fatalities were found on the second floor.
“The fire produced so much toxic smoke so quickly, leaving many people unable to evacuate,” an agency spokesman said. Many victims appeared to have been unaware of the fire raging outside the bathhouse until it became impossible to flee, he added. The smoke and toxic fumes also hampered rescue efforts.
"The building was filled with toxic smoke. The second floor was surrounded with plate glass and it looked impossible for people to escape," an eye-witness said.
Another told Chosun Ilbo: "People trapped inside were screaming for help. I couldn’t bear to watch."
The death toll may rise further as firefighters continue to search the building, the spokesman said. Television footage showed the building consumed by orange flames and issuing dark plumes of smoke, as several people stood waiting to be rescued from an outdoor terrace.
Some were seen jumping from the building onto air mattresses laid out on the ground as dozens of fire trucks and more than 100 firefighters rushed to the scene.
Jecheon is in central South Korea, about 120km south-east of the capital Seoul. The disaster forced organisers of the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympics to cancel a planned torch relay event at the city on Friday, Yonhap news agency said, citing the organisers.
“We decided to cancel the event to mourn the victims,” an unnamed official at the organising committee was quoted as saying.
Thursday's fire is South Korea’s worst since 2008 when a blaze at a warehouse in the city of Icheon killed 40 workers.
President Moon Jae In expressed regret over the accident and urged officials to make “utmost efforts” for search-and-rescue operations, his office said.
The worst fire ever to hit modern South Korea was an arson attack on a subway station in the south-eastern city of Daegu that left 192 people dead and nearly 150 injured in 2003.
I don't know if it means anything, but it happened on December 21, just 3 days after Jonghyun's alleged suicide. 29 people were killed, and Red Velvet launched their "Bad Boy" on January 29. It's also 1 month and 11 days (111) after Jonghyun's death. Not to mention that Peek-a-boo was launched at an odd time, that is 1 month exactly before Jonghyun's death. Also, it was mentioned that the people in that fire accident suffered from toxic smoke. I know very well that toxic smoke (CO poisoning) is the main cause of death in case of fire, but it's so weird, considering other things that I've mentioned before, that 3 days before, Jonghyun was found dead because of CO poisoning. Also notice how it was connected with the torch relay of Pyeongchang Winter Olympics, well yes it was cancelled, but it's still weird. Again, look at the shape of the building!
it will be great if there is way to stop this olympic games
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I guess I didn't make myself clear enough. Sorry about that.
What I'm trying to ask is, how do people get to the conclusion that its a pentagram? For me, I would make it a Pentagon or a Hexagon.
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I made a similar observation about date of Jonghyun's death and Red Velvet's publications.Continuing my post about Red Velvet's Bad Boy MV, there's something I missed that's covered by my favorite blogger, Jeremiah (https://blog.naver.com/esedae/221197568587).
The scene where Wendy was seen to be burning mannequins could be a reference to the 2017 Jecheon fire in South Korea.
Here's how the building looked like:
Yup, it's shaped just like a pyramid.
From independent.co.uk
South Korea sauna fire: At least 29 dead in major blaze at Jecheon fitness centre
A fire broke out Thursday at an eight-story building in the central South Korean city of Jecheon, killing 29 people and injuring 29 others, officials said.
A Jecheon fire department official said the toll could rise as rescuers continue to search the building after putting out the fire. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing office rules.
He said many of the people who died had been using a public bath on the second and third floors, which made it harder for them to escape.
From straitstimes.com
At least 29 killed in South Korea's deadliest fire in 9 years
The blaze – believed to have started in a vehicle parked on the ground floor –was put out in an hour and 50 minutes, the fire agency said.
One eye-witness told Chosun Ilbo he heard a loud bang before seeing the car bursting into flames. The fire spread quickly and soon engulfed the entire building, TV footage has shown.
The second and third floors of the building house saunas and public baths, while fitness facilities are located from the fourth to seventh floors. The eighth floor houses a cafeteria. Twenty of the fatalities were found on the second floor.
“The fire produced so much toxic smoke so quickly, leaving many people unable to evacuate,” an agency spokesman said. Many victims appeared to have been unaware of the fire raging outside the bathhouse until it became impossible to flee, he added. The smoke and toxic fumes also hampered rescue efforts.
"The building was filled with toxic smoke. The second floor was surrounded with plate glass and it looked impossible for people to escape," an eye-witness said.
Another told Chosun Ilbo: "People trapped inside were screaming for help. I couldn’t bear to watch."
The death toll may rise further as firefighters continue to search the building, the spokesman said. Television footage showed the building consumed by orange flames and issuing dark plumes of smoke, as several people stood waiting to be rescued from an outdoor terrace.
Some were seen jumping from the building onto air mattresses laid out on the ground as dozens of fire trucks and more than 100 firefighters rushed to the scene.
Jecheon is in central South Korea, about 120km south-east of the capital Seoul. The disaster forced organisers of the 2018 Pyeongchang Winter Olympics to cancel a planned torch relay event at the city on Friday, Yonhap news agency said, citing the organisers.
“We decided to cancel the event to mourn the victims,” an unnamed official at the organising committee was quoted as saying.
Thursday's fire is South Korea’s worst since 2008 when a blaze at a warehouse in the city of Icheon killed 40 workers.
President Moon Jae In expressed regret over the accident and urged officials to make “utmost efforts” for search-and-rescue operations, his office said.
The worst fire ever to hit modern South Korea was an arson attack on a subway station in the south-eastern city of Daegu that left 192 people dead and nearly 150 injured in 2003.
I don't know if it means anything, but it happened on December 21, just 3 days after Jonghyun's alleged suicide. 29 people were killed, and Red Velvet launched their "Bad Boy" on January 29. It's also 1 month and 11 days (111) after Jonghyun's death. Not to mention that Peek-a-boo was launched at an odd time, that is 1 month exactly before Jonghyun's death. Also, it was mentioned that the people in that fire accident suffered from toxic smoke. I know very well that toxic smoke (CO poisoning) is the main cause of death in case of fire, but it's so weird, considering other things that I've mentioned before, that 3 days before, Jonghyun was found dead because of CO poisoning. Also notice how it was connected with the torch relay of Pyeongchang Winter Olympics, well yes it was cancelled, but it's still weird. Again, look at the shape of the building!
Bad Boy was published 1 month and 11 days after Jonghyun's death (at 29th January) while Peek-A-Boo was published at 17th November, which was 1 day and 1 month before his death.
The fire that Lee mentioned took place at the day Jonghyun was buried, at the 21st of December.
Furthermore, there is some weird connection between Jonghyun and the number 22:
18.12.2017 (Jonghyun's death date)
= 1 + 8 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 0 + 1 + 7 = 22
In fortune cookie Jonghyun opens a paper and it's message contains the number 22:
![Screenshot_20180202-184035[1].png](/data/attachments/3/3553-9faed443d90726121dfe1dd9a171fb88.jpg)
In another VCR ("Waffle") of his last concert a dollar bill with Jonghyun's face on it is cut into pieces (Money is also called "dead" president as the faces on dollar bills are often portraits of dead presidents).
On the dollar bill you can see the number J2017120910H. These are the days last concert took place (9th and 10th of December).
On the poster for this concert the same date is announced as following:
2017.1209.SAT.6PM - 1210.SUN.4PM
2+0+1+7+1+2+0+9=22
12+10=22
Does anyone know what those numbers (111, 11 and 22) could possibly mean?
And there is one more weird detail about Jonghyun's VCR I have talked about in an old post:
I have already pointed out that the clock shows the time 8:40. As a man in the background says "good morning" in german we know that it has to be 8:40 am in the morning in Germany. The time difference between Germany and Korea is 8 hours - so the clock shows us 6:40 pm in Korean time. 6:32 pm is the time Jonghyun was pronounced dead.
But there is another aspect. The clock hands are pointing to the digits 10 and 8.
10+8=18. (Day of Death)
In Peek a Boo the clock stops at 12. (Month of death)
There are some more observations I made in different MV clips, but I don't know if they will make sense.
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I read recently about EXO Ko Ko Bop, it was all in Korean and I was using google translate it was frustrating as I barely could understand
its obvious from the title, its about Korean war that is coming, I read that Ko Ko represent two Koreas, and Bop is a rice but supposedly its about bomb or the war, I know little of the symbol and watched this video
can someone who understand Korean summarize what is this video is about?
there is a reference to a clock or a date may be, so I am interested to know what is that, couldn't understand by google translate
its obvious from the title, its about Korean war that is coming, I read that Ko Ko represent two Koreas, and Bop is a rice but supposedly its about bomb or the war, I know little of the symbol and watched this video
there is a reference to a clock or a date may be, so I am interested to know what is that, couldn't understand by google translate
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woah this thread has grown a lot since I've been here.
can't wait to read everything. I've gotta get away from netizeen buzz they're making me sick with their wars on everything.
can't wait to read everything. I've gotta get away from netizeen buzz they're making me sick with their wars on everything.
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lmao I wish I could unsee this.
but wow. not just america but also in korea you have to dress as a woman in order to continue in the industry. I can't think of an idol male group who hasn't done this yet (the ones who currently haven't will someday). I know it's all fun and games for laughs but this is a trend that should have died long ago in k-pop. This is why I believe this is one of the required things to do.
but I will say they actually somewhat match female looks (well ok mostly suga, it doesn't look good on RM or Jhope).
Bigbang did this a few times and they didn't look good minus daesungs iconic smell. this makes me realize how much more effort they put into these boy's apperance to make them more feminine. bigbang may not have been stunners overall at bts's age but at least they still held some male masculinity within the face somewhere.
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wow they are literally forcing these boys to rid themselves of being well..boys. there was nothing wrong with war of hormone that was a great song and I've heard worse in kpop music even from female groups and american music would make that song look like child's play. bigbang's bae bae is objection allover it but it's ok I guess. they can't talk about slapping butts but top can squirt his cum on a girl face... child.
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honestly everyone calls BM a f u c k boy and rags on him for being a meat head but it's such a good thing in my eyes, in the sense that he is untouched for now and actually normal for the most part. He's just a regular straight guy for now and I hope the girls in Kard are treated well too.
hyuna is one of them for sure and she is one of my favorites.
why does nobody talk about this with her?
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Hi everyone, I'm new here!
Yesterday I discovered this forum, as well as this thought-provoking discussion, thanks to some researches I've already been doing for some time about this topic that actually kinda frightens me. I've read some of your considerations, and I'd really appreciate any suggestions about a question of mine I'm going to ask now, based on my brief k-pop experience.
I got to know BTS and listen to k-pop just a couple of months ago. Before that, I've actually never been interested in that kind of music or those boy-bands in general. Anyway, I've always been aware of "what" hides behind this industry; I'm a rather curious and skeptical girl who likes to analyse everything about whatever and isn't so susceptible. Because of that, I started to learn about this "corruption" and to keep an eye out for it. Unfortunately, I learned all music industry revolves around these concepts, so basically every artist we come to like is involved in this "project". What I want to say is: even if I've never listened to k-pop until now, it doesn't mean I've been exempt from that influence (even if I'm able to recognize it), since I admit I listen to many American artists that sadly use this symbolism.
So I got to know BTS by chance, and I admit I like most of their songs, leaving their videos and hidden meanings aside. I've become aware of the symbolism they use, YET sometimes I can't stop humming their songs or listening to them because I simply find them catchy. And that's what makes me wonder.
I don't consider myself a "typical" Army. I'm not "obsessed" over those boys. I don't "fangirl" or cry or get too emotionally involved with their songs. They're not "my everything", I've never bought something of them or voted them. Above all, I wouldn't be here - lol -.
Until now, I've just listened to some songs and played some videos about their presumed personality to get to know them better.
But after I got "that sense" about 'em too, after I became suspicious about their messages, after what I discovered and read here... this question arises spontaneously: what do I have to do then? How should I behave? Do I have to stop listening to them? But then I also wonder: "So I should stop listening to almost every artist I know, if that's the solution!", because, as I said bafore, all music is soaked with this propaganda. But... how could I? How could we? I find it impossible! Yes, I want to detach myself from this bad influence, but at the same time, if I really enjoy listening to some songs in general, it's arduous for me to let 'em go, 'cause I'd miss these songs. And I'm pretty sure it's a common thing, not just mine.
Here I happened to read expressions like "good thing I learned to detach myself from it properly", and that made me genuinely impressed. I mean, if it's like that, what music/artist do you listen to? What's your focus? Because everything in that world is "controlled", so we can't be totally exempt. At least, that's my opinion. I could say "Oh really? So no more BTS or k-pop in general!"... but then maybe I'd focus on other genres or artists that promote in a different way the same propaganda!
That's my constant dilemma, my searching for a solution that maybe doesn't exists (and it's sad), and I'm reaching out to you because I'd like some suggestions, some answers, some brainwave to understand things better.
Would it be ok, for example, if I kept listening to their songs BUT knowing what's behind those videos and so being able to be exempt from the influence? Would it work? Is it enough?
Thanks in advance
Yesterday I discovered this forum, as well as this thought-provoking discussion, thanks to some researches I've already been doing for some time about this topic that actually kinda frightens me. I've read some of your considerations, and I'd really appreciate any suggestions about a question of mine I'm going to ask now, based on my brief k-pop experience.
I got to know BTS and listen to k-pop just a couple of months ago. Before that, I've actually never been interested in that kind of music or those boy-bands in general. Anyway, I've always been aware of "what" hides behind this industry; I'm a rather curious and skeptical girl who likes to analyse everything about whatever and isn't so susceptible. Because of that, I started to learn about this "corruption" and to keep an eye out for it. Unfortunately, I learned all music industry revolves around these concepts, so basically every artist we come to like is involved in this "project". What I want to say is: even if I've never listened to k-pop until now, it doesn't mean I've been exempt from that influence (even if I'm able to recognize it), since I admit I listen to many American artists that sadly use this symbolism.
So I got to know BTS by chance, and I admit I like most of their songs, leaving their videos and hidden meanings aside. I've become aware of the symbolism they use, YET sometimes I can't stop humming their songs or listening to them because I simply find them catchy. And that's what makes me wonder.
I don't consider myself a "typical" Army. I'm not "obsessed" over those boys. I don't "fangirl" or cry or get too emotionally involved with their songs. They're not "my everything", I've never bought something of them or voted them. Above all, I wouldn't be here - lol -.
Until now, I've just listened to some songs and played some videos about their presumed personality to get to know them better.
But after I got "that sense" about 'em too, after I became suspicious about their messages, after what I discovered and read here... this question arises spontaneously: what do I have to do then? How should I behave? Do I have to stop listening to them? But then I also wonder: "So I should stop listening to almost every artist I know, if that's the solution!", because, as I said bafore, all music is soaked with this propaganda. But... how could I? How could we? I find it impossible! Yes, I want to detach myself from this bad influence, but at the same time, if I really enjoy listening to some songs in general, it's arduous for me to let 'em go, 'cause I'd miss these songs. And I'm pretty sure it's a common thing, not just mine.
Here I happened to read expressions like "good thing I learned to detach myself from it properly", and that made me genuinely impressed. I mean, if it's like that, what music/artist do you listen to? What's your focus? Because everything in that world is "controlled", so we can't be totally exempt. At least, that's my opinion. I could say "Oh really? So no more BTS or k-pop in general!"... but then maybe I'd focus on other genres or artists that promote in a different way the same propaganda!
That's my constant dilemma, my searching for a solution that maybe doesn't exists (and it's sad), and I'm reaching out to you because I'd like some suggestions, some answers, some brainwave to understand things better.
Would it be ok, for example, if I kept listening to their songs BUT knowing what's behind those videos and so being able to be exempt from the influence? Would it work? Is it enough?
Thanks in advance
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Do you guys think Western leftism and Marxism will ever take over Korea like it's doing to the west? I'm worried that with this huge new Hallyu wave, Korea will be exposed and influenced by the regressive western ideology. I've heard that third wave feminism is already breaking some ground in Korea which is really unfortunate to hear. To be clear, I have nothing against classical feminism; the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunity. But modern feminism is hurting women, hating men, and curating equal outcome, not opportunity, which is a recipe for disaster.
I also hope the Hallyu wave doesn't contribute to any forced multiculturalism in Korea. Multiculturalism can work in places like America, but it would be a disaster if that were ever tried in a rigid society like Korea. You are already seeing the devastating consequences of multiculturalism in some areas of Europe. Don't get me wrong, I think foreigners migrating and living in Korea is amazing and merit-based immigrants should be greatly appreciated, but only if they assimilate and integrate with the homogenous culture and society. You see issues in Europe because of the influx of immigrants who do not assimilate to society, mainly due to vast cultural differences, and arriving in sheer numbers all at once.
Sorry for the random and somewhat polarizing rant, just curious about what others think about this topic as it pertains to international K-Pop. It may seem like I'm overreacting on how impactful the Hallyu wave would be on Korea, but I've paid extremely close attention to it and it's really a global phenomenon and having a huge influence all around the world. So many people are really interested in Korean culture, language, and society, and many even want to move to Korea, which is amazing and makes me proud as an ethnic Korean. The Korean government is actually directly involved with the Hallyu wave in what is called "soft power," to gain influence through attraction, as opposed to a country like China who uses hard power. I just hope Korea stays as Korea through all this, but maybe this opportunity will make Korea less xenophobic and racist, and also have their labor and education laws improved so citizens aren't working or studying 12 hours a day.
I also hope the Hallyu wave doesn't contribute to any forced multiculturalism in Korea. Multiculturalism can work in places like America, but it would be a disaster if that were ever tried in a rigid society like Korea. You are already seeing the devastating consequences of multiculturalism in some areas of Europe. Don't get me wrong, I think foreigners migrating and living in Korea is amazing and merit-based immigrants should be greatly appreciated, but only if they assimilate and integrate with the homogenous culture and society. You see issues in Europe because of the influx of immigrants who do not assimilate to society, mainly due to vast cultural differences, and arriving in sheer numbers all at once.
Sorry for the random and somewhat polarizing rant, just curious about what others think about this topic as it pertains to international K-Pop. It may seem like I'm overreacting on how impactful the Hallyu wave would be on Korea, but I've paid extremely close attention to it and it's really a global phenomenon and having a huge influence all around the world. So many people are really interested in Korean culture, language, and society, and many even want to move to Korea, which is amazing and makes me proud as an ethnic Korean. The Korean government is actually directly involved with the Hallyu wave in what is called "soft power," to gain influence through attraction, as opposed to a country like China who uses hard power. I just hope Korea stays as Korea through all this, but maybe this opportunity will make Korea less xenophobic and racist, and also have their labor and education laws improved so citizens aren't working or studying 12 hours a day.
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just don't get invested beyond casual listening. simple as that. I understand what you are saying though. Just like I am aware of all the dirt in the industry but I still listen to msot of the people talked about here. I only purchased Jonghyun's shinning album with my own money. That's it. I was gifted a hyuna poster and I keep that. Other than that I have nothing else kpop.
most k-pop fans are invested in so many ways you can go to netizeen buzz or asian junkie even pann choa to see how they are.
just listen, enjoy it, and nothing more.
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I totally agree with you.
I get your point and that's what I worry about too. I want korea to stay korea and it's okay if they expand their views and lessen a lot of the problematic perspectives on outside affairs in other countries. I'm not trying to throw shade or be mean but I'll never wrap my head around why some fans and people show such desperation to move there and willingly do so before prepping themselves. I've seen a few normal youtubers who are popular and are okay over there. But for me the homogeneous part would be hard to deal with. I'm not generalizing but a lot of koreans over there all share the same views, thoughts, and ways of looking at things it's just hard to swallow for me.
korea isn't a fantasy land although it's a wonderful place I wouldn't move to korea, china, or anywhere without doing a lot of prepping first. but hey it's sorta like america. I've encountered lots of foreigners who can't speak a lick of english and they don't try to adapt to american society overall but will get mad when americans aren't giving them passes or understanding them. No matter where you travel to always assimilate at least to the some of the culture and language.
but yeah they work 24/7 so no wonder they have so many issues. I look forward to the positive changes but leftism may have an influence on Korea. Not a huge one cause korea is still korea and they have very set ways.
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Yeah, I'm honestly confused and in awe at how many young people, especially girls, suddenly want to move to Korea because of K-Pop and K-dramas. I'm born and raised in the States but I really want to move to Korea because I'm Korean, can speak basic Korean and I think the Korean city and lifestyle suits me more than America. But it's crazy how influential K-Pop is on these fans' lives. There was a youtube video about how k-pop girls get skinny legs, by injecting something in their legs through a surgical procedure and in the comment section, all these girls were saying how they want to do that to their legs to get skinnier. Same with facial plastic surgery, I feel like young girls are becoming more open to the idea of getting plastic surgery themselves since their K-Pop idols are normalizing it. And even regardless surgery, probably becoming more self-conscious and vain about their appearance in general.
I've never seen anything like this before. How obsessive and entrenched many k-pop fans are. I don't even think Bieber fans were this into it when Bieber was at his early peak. I truly think the demonic forces behind the industry are spiritually binding fans which is how they're so addicted and literally possessed by K-Pop. That's why they leave subtle (or very obvious) symbolisms in their MVs and lyrics, to get a foothold on their soul. When you watch K-Pop MV reaction videos, the fans behave erratically and consumed by it. It's scary.
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I agree the level of obsession kpop fans have is something I never saw before
They watch the same music videos again and again, buy a million copies of the same album, vote like robots for every award show and popularity poll.
It's all sheep mentality and you can even see this in kpop concerts when the audience is moving their lighsticks like robots and look hypnotized watching the idols perform
They also treat idols like perfect beings that never make mistakes so if you have something bad to say about them they will atack you and insult you
And kpop companies are really focused on visuals so the fans become extremelly obsessed with the way they look and think having a perfect face or body is the most important thing in life
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And to be completely honest, I'm guilty of doing some of this as well. I don't even consider myself a k-pop fan but I'll find myself watching a certain MV (like Red Velvet's Bad Boy) over and over again for no reason. Like I'm drawn to it even though I'm not a fan. I just find the video so aesthetically pleasing and completely enamored with Red Velvet's members. I think it partly has to do with having pride for my ethnicity and since Koreans have always been under the radar up until now, or maybe it's also the demonic influence. So I really can't blame the fans for doing this because I totally get it.