No regard...for the desire of women

[Vytas]

That is your opinion bro, there are plenty other see it as religious oppression. Keep your opinion.

Yeah christians see it that way F,or muslims, woman included, it's ok but for us it's oppression... This thread is circus...

 

[Haich]

Coptic Christians are just another way of saying catholic, right? I don’t agree with the things of catholcism.

Yh, ok so you've said this a billion times but they're not from Hinduism or Islam, they're from Christianity whether you disagree with them or not. They wear headscarves and veils, especially in Alexandria. Now what were you saying about veils and coverings being exclusive to Muslims?

 

[rainerann]

Just going to throw out there that this thread is actually about prophecy. There were several examples from the opening post to discuss. I originally posted something a couple responses that had nothing to do with Islam.

But as usual, if you mention Islam anywhere, the thread becomes consumed by the over sensitive Muslims making it all about them like they are victims because some people do actually know enough about Islam to disagree with it. It is just a profound experience witnessing the ways Muslims respond around here. Truly profound. I just don’t believe it is all a media narrative anymore regarding islam because of my experience here. I have been converted to a different opinion because of what I have experienced here.

It is also interesting that the thread started out talking about oppression against women in the time when prophecy was fulfilled, but now it is a debate over head coverings. It really is ridiculous to see this happen again and Muslims making the thread all about them just because the laws that exist regarding coverings was mentioned as a form of oppression because there are places where a dress code is enforced by law. How does anyone question why that wouldn’t be included as a form of oppression if it is required by law in some countries to wear a head covering. How can anyone defend a law requiring covering women so that you can only see their eyes. We are talking about a law that defines consequences for not doing this as a form of oppression. People are acting like we are suggesting that people who wear something like this by choice loosen up a little. How can the difference not be seen and why is the chapter from Daniel lost because of it. God forbid a muslim actually read what chapter 11 says to participate in a more creative way right.

 

[DesertRose]

This issue keeps coming up with the phobes and it keeps getting addressed
Here is a part of an answer given a few months back...
Few in the Muslim world wear the face veil. If they do wear it for them it is out of choice and it is frankly no ones business.
If someone is forced to wear a veil we condemn this, as we condemn the other extreme which is the objectification of women and a compulsion by some industries "to show more skin."
This is a satanic requirement.
There should be no compulsion either way.
The hijab for men is from the naval to the knee
However covering up is the norm in many countries.
e.g the Taureg tribe the men keep wear head covering as a culture... serv has also posted this above.

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Looking at the clothing of men in the east.
Covering up is just not a issue for men and women over there.
Taking off your clothing does not make you somehow liberated by the way.
There are actually issues here (west) with the opposite problem which is the objectification of women. This does not get addressed on this board.
We like modesty for men and women.
This is a Godly requirement.
That's it.

 

[Haich]

Lisa likes to throw a lot of crappy comments about Islam which will naturally attract the Muslim audience. I mean her thread is about prophecy but she still slides in her usual anti Muslim rhetoric. It would be refreshing to have an intellectual discussion about her opinions but since they're based on her imagination, it's hard to take her points seriously.

 

[Haich]

Also, Floss and that other lady like to pop up and rabbit on about a whole load of anti Muslim nonsense. Don't cry about it when people call you out and on your BS.

 

[Kung Fu]

But as usual, if you mention Islam anywhere, the thread becomes consumed by the over sensitive Muslims making it all about them like they are victims because some people do actually know enough about Islam to disagree with it.

If you're insinuating that you know enough about Islam then you're funnier than I originally thought. It's precisely because you know nothing about Islam or anything else for that matter which causes Muslims to enter a thread and correct you. If you keep Islam out of your mouth and actually stay on topic than Muslims like myself wouldn't have the need to come and correct you. It's like I have to hold your hand like you were some kind of child.

 

[rainerann]

Yeah christians see it that way F,or muslims, woman included, it's ok but for us it's oppression... This thread is circus...

Vytas, covering that is required by law with legal consequences is oppression. If you can get some sort of ticket or legal consequence for showing your hair, that is oppression.

In every country that has had their legal system converted to follow Islam, this has been required by law because there are verses in the Quran about veiling and only having certain people see you unveiled.

This is not the same thing as having a choice to wear something that you want the way we are used to seeing. That is why it was included as one example of many in the opening post.

 

[Kung Fu]

In every country that has had their legal system converted to follow Islam, this has been required by law because there are verses in the Quran about veiling and only having certain people see you unveiled.

Show me one Quranic verse that says a woman has to wear a head covering?

 

[Haich]

It's precisely because you know nothing about Islam or anything else for that matter which causes Muslims to enter a thread and correct you.

Exactly. There's nothing more insulting and annoying than a bunch of clueless chickens clucking about a faith they know nothing about. They've demonstrated they know nothing time and time again.

 

[Haich]

There she goes again demonstrating her stupidity. Where does it say in the Quran that a head covering is mandatory? Honestly, you guys make yourselves look so silly.

 

[Lurker]

legal consequences is oppression

Then I'm sure you'll consider many western laws to be oppression.

 

[Vytas]

Vytas, covering that is required by law with legal consequences is oppression. If you can get some sort of ticket or legal consequence for showing your hair, that is oppression.

In every country that has had their legal system converted to follow Islam, this has been required by law because there are verses in the Quran about veiling and only having certain people see you unveiled.

This is not the same thing as having a choice to wear something that you want the way we are used to seeing. That is why it was included as one example of many in the opening post.

Well @DesertRose post above states otherwise...But even if it were true...If law would force people to do something bad then i would agree with you... But now it's few thousand year old custom, if you grew up in that environment and never saw woman dressing differently, it would be natural for you to dress that way too...Different cultures different customs, that is all..

 

[Kung Fu]

There she goes again demonstrating her stupidity. Where does it say in the Quran that a head covering is mandatory? Honestly, you guys make yourselves look so silly.

You expected something more from these hypocrites? If they actually opened up a history book they would know that the niqab/burqa was used long before Islam and was a culture practice and further the Quran doesn't mention anything about head coverings. Yet they believe they know Islam. It's quite comical. The more they open their mouths the more silly they seem. Their own scripture tells them that their women have to cover their hair but if they don't want to cover it then they should shave it. Of course, they play verbal gymnastics as they do with all their other verses and try to give it a completely different meaning.

I don't support the niqab and neither do I think it's a form of oppression. People can wear what they want to wear and I rather they wear something rather than nothing.

 

[Lisa]

What do you guys think of Coptic Christians and their coverings? Not to mention, some nuns wear face veils.



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Coptic Christians are just another way of saying catholic, right? I don’t agree with the things of catholcism.

Yh, ok so you've said this a billion times but they're not from Hinduism or Islam, they're from Christianity whether you disagree with them or not. They wear headscarves and veils, especially in Alexandria. Now what were you saying about veils and coverings being exclusive to Muslims?

No catholics are not Christians...they have a different gospel.
Catholocism is more akin to islam, false religions all trying to incorporate the name of Jesus and sidestep salvation in Him. Catholocism doesn’t acknowledge that Jesus was the once for all sacrifice for sins. In fact catholics think Mary is needed in that scenario when the Bible tells us otherwise. There is no Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Mary in scripture...
So, what they do, they do on their own. And, I would think that living around muslims..they would be well aware that to not wear at least a headscarf could be trouble?

 

[rainerann]

Then I'm sure you'll consider many western laws to be oppression.

I actually do. We’ve talked about tax laws on the board already. What’s your point?

 

[Haich]

Anyone forced to wear anything is oppressive. Islam doesn't force women to cover. It's something they do when they feel a strong connection to God. They have the right to cover and the points made on this forum only expose the hateful reservations you people have about Muslim women.

There are many Muslim women who don't even wear a headscarf and observe the faith. Attire isn't a measurement of ones piety.

 

[Haich]

Coptic Christians are just another way of saying catholic, right? I don’t agree with the things of catholcism.

No catholics are not Christians...they have a different gospel.
Catholocism is more akin to islam, false religions all trying to incorporate the name of Jesus and sidestep salvation in Him. Catholocism doesn’t acknowledge that Jesus was the once for all sacrifice for sins. In fact catholics think Mary is needed in that scenario when the Bible tells us otherwise. There is no Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Mary in scripture...
So, what they do, they do on their own. And, I would think that living around muslims..they would be well aware that to not wear at least a headscarf could be trouble?

Those images I posted were Coptic Christians observing Christianity. They were veiled and covered. Any thoughts?

 

[Lisa]

Those images I posted were Coptic Christians observing Christianity. They were veiled and covered. Any thoughts?

No, they were catholics observing catholocism.

 

[Lisa]

There are many Muslim women who don't even wear a headscarf and observe the faith. Attire isn't a measurement of ones piety.

Maybe in western countries...and for reasons that probably differ from what you say....