I think that since it was done to her, she can speak about it...she has intimate knowledge of the practice, yes.
What’s not true? Taquiya or her practicing it?
The entire concept of taquiya that you use to dismiss anything you don't like is false.
Well, I’m not dismissing things I don’t like, I just understand that with taquiya muslims are allowed to lie about islam to make it look better to non muslims. So, ya, that sticks out to me, when muslims try to say something isn’t islam, when clearly, the founder of islam did the same things.
That's literally not true and you don't like that so you're going to dismiss it and continue to believe a lie.
Have you ever heard the saying...actions speak louder than words?
You're an old racist woman. I believe you to be extremely bitter and hateful and it probably has something to do with family. It's why you put up a front. I still pray for you though because I know no one wants to be bitter and hateful. God bless you, Lisa.
What an example of proper debate etiquette. "You're an old racist woman," Such a thoughtful counter-argument.
Well, again no one know my age...so you don’t know that I’m old. Haha, guess the honoring the grandma thing went out the window?
Well, whether or not either of us thinks there should be an evolving (secular based) bill of international Human Rights, one is already on the drawing boards, as the embedded link shows. I think that international bills of Human Rights are an extension, a continuation of the very "Western" Déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen, or Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen. This time around, it seems to me, the bill is global instead of local (and to me it's not all bad, though certainly controversial).
I have not lied about anything I am saying to you.
Toynbee was not arguably dodgy. Toynbee was a supporter of Hitler. I would just like to point that out.
Which is what?
Muslims are not commanded to lie about our faith. When a Muslim describes the religion to you, you can't dismiss it as "taquia" just because it doesn't align with your hateful notions.
And on that note, this would be very relevant to the discussion of Daniel 11. Whenever I read anything about the UN's plans for things like this, I think of the verses that precede Daniel 11:37.
I don’t just dismiss it as taquyia for no good reason...you have read about the killings, the rapes, the terror perpetuated by muslims all around the world? That’s what I mean when actions speak louder than words. I might be able to believe you, if that stops and never starts again...but at this point, taquiya seems the reason to dismiss them, and say it isn’t islam.
Actually the Quran and actual practicing Muslims are the reason. Muslims can't kill or r*pe people or force them into the religion. Out of the billions of Muslims, you are going to judge the religion by the actions of a few thousand? Terrorism is committed by other groups as well, in fact the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by non-Muslims.
No, I’m going to judge through the eyes of history. I find it clever that islam mysteriously laid low for a while to the point no one now knows what islam is anymore.
hmm, I had to refresh where we started. You quoted me saying "freedom of religion," not "western values." I do think these are two different things. There is evidence that freedom of religion is a beneficial precept. There isn't evidence that everything that is done in the west is beneficial to society. So I don't usually use that term unless I am honestly being lazy in picking out the particular attributes of the west that I believe have evidence of a positive effect.
Why? How do you know they are “forced”?I have to say this....
Bothers me.