Did Evolution Really Happen?

[Lisa]

Evolution, as in we were once dirt and then God made us and breathed life into us?

 

[Kung Fu]

Evolution, as in we were once dirt and then God made us and breathed life into us?

LOL. Yes, exactly that.

 

[X-Maverick]

I don't know what scripture you are talking about but mine is detailed and i got other stuff to back it up and also the very word "Adam" has its roots in the word black or dark skinned plus they lived around or in the place we today call africa. Thats the reason that the prophets in the direct lineage have been black or dark skinned. Mutations occured among those who moved away.

Adam has it's roots in the word 'black'? Actually, in Hebrew, the name has origins with the word 'red'.

This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin, or from Akkadian adamu meaning "to make".

And what's more, Adam is surely not the name God called him by, that's merely what we call him today. So whether that meaning is right, or another, it's irrelevant for the most part. Furthermore, you cannot possibly know Adam came from Africa. From where do you derive that belief? Not only is that just mere conjecture, but even if true, that doesn't prove he was black. How many thousands of years ago was he alive (which I believe is much farther back than 6000)? Can you tell us? Can you tell us that blacks have been in Africa from near the beginning of this planets life? You seem to have a ton of wisdom on the subject, so tell us. Everything, and I do mean everything, about this planet was practically a different world from what it is now. Anyone acting as if they have conclusive answers from even the time of Noah, let alone Adam, are deluded.

And when you say that the prophets are dark skinned because of direct lineage (which i'd need proof of from scripture), the hell do you mean by that? A direct lineage from who? Every human alive is a direct descendant of Adam.

The FACT of the matter is, you have no idea what the world looked like, what it composed of, when exactly Adam and Eve lived, or anything back during that time. You know absolutely nothing. So please, stop acting as if you have reputable answers. You don't.

 

[Paranoia Daily]

Adam has it's roots in the word 'black'? Actually, in Hebrew, the name has origins with the word 'red'.

This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin, or from Akkadian adamu meaning "to make".

And what's more, Adam is surely not the name God called him by, that's merely what we call him today. So whether that meaning is right, or another, it's irrelevant for the most part. Furthermore, you cannot possibly know Adam came from Africa. From where do you derive that belief? Not only is that just mere conjecture, but even if true, that doesn't prove he was black. How many thousands of years ago was he alive (which I believe is much farther back than 6000)? Can you tell us? Can you tell us that blacks have been in Africa from near the beginning of this planets life? You seem to have a ton of wisdom on the subject, so tell us. Everything, and I do mean everything, about this planet was practically a different world from what it is now. Anyone acting as if they have conclusive answers from even the time of Noah, let alone Adam, are deluded.

And when you say that the prophets are dark skinned because of direct lineage (which i'd need proof of from scripture), the hell do you mean by that? A direct lineage from who? Every human alive is a direct descendant of Adam.

The FACT of the matter is, you have no idea what the world looked like, what it composed of, when exactly Adam and Eve lived, or anything back during that time. You know absolutely nothing. So please, stop acting as if you have reputable answers. You don't.

Furthermore, you cannot possibly know Adam came from Africa.

And you cannot possible know he came from the Garden of Eden either.

The FACT of the matter is, you have no idea what the world looked like, what it composed of, when exactly Adam and Eve lived, or anything back during that time.

Odd thing about this is you don't either...Your basing your opinion on what a book says that was written over 1600 years ago! These literal interpretations of the bible are all the same.

Anyone acting as if they have conclusive answers from even the time of Noah, let alone Adam, are deluded.

Judging from reading through this thread your the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? And by the way Moses married an Ethopian woman or did that fact merely escape your attention? Also did the fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible also escape your attention.

From where do you derive that belief? Not only is that just mere conjecture, but even if true, that doesn't prove he was black.

Argument from Ignorance....it does not prove he was any other color either.

 

[manama]

Adam has it's roots in the word 'black'? Actually, in Hebrew, the name has origins with the word 'red'.

This is the Hebrew word for "man". It could be ultimately derived from Hebrew אדם ('adam) meaning "to be red", referring to the ruddy colour of human skin, or from Akkadian adamu meaning "to make".

And what's more, Adam is surely not the name God called him by, that's merely what we call him today. So whether that meaning is right, or another, it's irrelevant for the most part. Furthermore, you cannot possibly know Adam came from Africa. From where do you derive that belief? Not only is that just mere conjecture, but even if true, that doesn't prove he was black. How many thousands of years ago was he alive (which I believe is much farther back than 6000)? Can you tell us? Can you tell us that blacks have been in Africa from near the beginning of this planets life? You seem to have a ton of wisdom on the subject, so tell us. Everything, and I do mean everything, about this planet was practically a different world from what it is now. Anyone acting as if they have conclusive answers from even the time of Noah, let alone Adam, are deluded.

And when you say that the prophets are dark skinned because of direct lineage (which i'd need proof of from scripture), the hell do you mean by that? A direct lineage from who? Every human alive is a direct descendant of Adam.

The FACT of the matter is, you have no idea what the world looked like, what it composed of, when exactly Adam and Eve lived, or anything back during that time. You know absolutely nothing. So please, stop acting as if you have reputable answers. You don't.

I can right now point out facts from both the scriptures and science but honestly its not worth the effort because you are acting like a triggered 12 yo. Is the "most prophets being dark skinned" thing triggering your light skinned self? lol

Believe in whatever you want, it honestly doesn't matter to me. I believe in science more than i believe whats in the Bible.

 

[mecca]

From where do you derive that belief?

Historical evidence, science, logic... the scripture itself.

Anyone acting as if they have conclusive answers

It's not 100% conclusive but the evidence points to the most probable explanation. No one can fully know anything from the past cause they weren't there but that doesn't mean that we don't have ways to find out what's most likely.

 

[X-Maverick]

And you cannot possible know he came from the Garden of Eden either.

Who even knows where the Garden was? Also, I will affirm this as a belief, not fact.

Odd thing about this is you don't either...Your basing your opinion on what a book says that was written over 1600 years ago! These literal interpretations of the bible are all the same.

Yeah, I know I don't. Did I say once what ethnicity I think Adam is?

Judging from reading through this thread your the pot calling the kettle black don't you think? And by the way Moses married an Ethopian woman or did that fact merely escape your attention? Also did the fact that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible also escape your attention.

Nope, that phrase doesn't apply to me at all as i'm not pushing an agenda or some belief about Adam as fact. Okay, so Moses supposedly married an Ethiopian woman. That is relevant how? Moses writing the first five books in the Bible is relevant how?

Argument from Ignorance....it does not prove he was any other color either.

Yeah, I know. Look at my posts. Did you notice at any point my insinuating Adam and Eve were anything? My stance on this is that it is utterly irrelevant. If you found out conclusively he was any ethnicity, what does that prove? If he truly was black, do blacks get brownie points? Are they closer to God? Why does this matter?

I know there are what's called Black Israelites that assume they're special as they believe Jews were black. Such people don't have any proof. They have ideas brought forth as proof. I don't see how this is any different.

 

[X-Maverick]

Historical evidence, science, logic... the scripture itself.

Then please, supply this scripture. As far as historical evidence, that's just nonsense. Scientists can roughly guess where humanity started, but they will never know. And as I said, even if it was conclusively determined they originated in a given region, that does not mean they hold the ethnicity of the people currently in said region. That makes no logical sense to assume as we don't even know how long ago they walked this Earth.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

 

[X-Maverick]

I can right now point out facts from both the scriptures and science but honestly its not worth the effort because you are acting like a triggered 12 yo. Is the "most prophets being dark skinned" thing triggering your light skinned self? lol

Believe in whatever you want, it honestly doesn't matter to me. I believe in science more than i believe whats in the Bible.

I think this may be why we're butting heads. Regarding Biblical things, i'm of the opposite stance. How do you choose to believe what to take seriously in the Bible, anyway?

I don't know how i'm acting like a 12 year old, but whatever. The fact you attempt to guess my own ethnicity based on me being against what you're saying is, in itself, immature as hell. How do you know whether i'm light or dark? By the way, it's quite telling how the vast majority of my arguments were ignored. My earlier questions were not rhetorical, if you have answers to what I posed, then answer.

 

[Paranoia Daily]

Then please, supply this scripture. As far as historical evidence, that's just nonsense. Scientists can roughly guess where humanity started, but they will never know. And as I said, even if it was conclusively determined they originated in a given region, that does not mean they hold the ethnicity of the people currently in said region. That makes no logical sense to assume as we don't even know how long ago they walked this Earth.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Because its not based on any genetic facts or evidence. Just myth and ramblings from a 1600 year old book....Show us the genetic testing, blood samples and other lab results.

I think this may be why we're butting heads. Regarding Biblical things, i'm of the opposite stance. How do you choose to believe what to take seriously in the Bible, anyway?

I don't know how i'm acting like a 12 year old, but whatever. The fact you attempt to guess my own ethnicity based on me being against what you're saying is, in itself, immature as hell. How do you know whether i'm light or dark? By the way, it's quite telling how the vast majority of my arguments were ignored. My earlier questions were not rhetorical, if you have answers to what I posed, then answer.

By the way, it's quite telling how the vast majority of my arguments were ignored.

I would imagine most here are not into disproving fairytales.

How do you choose to believe what to take seriously in the Bible, anyway?

Bible is not mean't to be taken literally.

 

[manama]

I think this may be why we're butting heads. Regarding Biblical things, i'm of the opposite stance. How do you choose to believe what to take seriously in the Bible, anyway?

I don't know how i'm acting like a 12 year old, but whatever. The fact you attempt to guess my own ethnicity based on me being against what you're saying is, in itself, immature as hell. How do you know whether i'm light or dark? By the way, it's quite telling how the vast majority of my arguments were ignored. My earlier questions were not rhetorical, if you have answers to what I posed, then answer.

"Biblical things" im not a christian, i don't follow the bible version of the stories. How hard is that to grasp? Believe whatever you want, believe in a blonde blue eyed Jesus. It doesnt matter.

I only mentioned Adam and Eve to show that even if you are not so high on science you can see that changes happened whether someone is a "Creationist" or something else, the fact is that people in the early stages of existence were ALL dark skinned. Light skin, different eye colors etc etc are all the results of mutation. And that what this thread is about. Evolution, not the bible.

 

[X-Maverick]

"Biblical things" im not a christian, i don't follow the bible version of the stories. How hard is that to grasp? Believe whatever you want, believe in a blonde blue eyed Jesus. It doesnt matter.

I only mentioned Adam and Eve to show that even if you are not so high on science you can see that changes happened whether someone is a "Creationist" or something else, the fact is that people in the early stages of existence were ALL dark skinned. Light skin, different eye colors etc etc are all the results of mutation. And that what this thread is about. Evolution, not the bible.

Well, sure. But usually when one mentions Adam and Eve, they're referring to the Biblical accounts. I'll bow out then, as we're coming at this from different angles.

 

[Paranoia Daily]

Thread maybe about Evolution but Thumpers are going to try and derail it with Creationists Mythology. Therefore his standards of evidence do not even come close to what would be required in science.

 

[skycoaster]

It is my personal belief that everybody evolve regardless of views.

 

[mecca]

Adam and Eve may not have even been real people.. their story is allegorical along with the majority of the bible.
They could still represent the first few humans... and science/anthropology does say they started out dark skinned.

 

[elsbet]

.. their story is allegorical along with the majority of the bible.
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Link?

 

[Mr.Grieves]

You have people doubting the Earth is round, and yet Evolution is taken at face value every time.

Actually, the people who doubt the earth's roundness typically don't believe in evolution. Or in satellites. Or in intercontinental flights. Or in global positioning systems. Or in international shipping and waterways. Or in gravity. Or in atlases. Or in scientists.

People tend to take evolution at face value because it's a reasonable deduction when considering observable facts, and has been thoroughly studied and explored by people knowledgeable in the fields of biology, paleontology and genetics, who generally agree it's a real phenomenon.

While doubt and self-determination are valuable and vital, a man who believes he knows everything about everything is a fool 10 times out of 10. To completely disregard the word of people who devote their lives and considerable intellects to specific fields of study in the belief you know better than they do is inherently foolish.

The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system in a given frame of reference remains constant — it is said to be conserved over time.[1] In other words, this law means that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed from one form to another.

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy can never decrease over time for an isolated system, that is, a system in which neither energy nor matter can enter nor leave.


Here are two laws where the first state that the universe cannot create and the second state that the universe cannot evolve.

So the theory of evolution is a big lie... so much so that i'm almost in awe how bold it is.

As can be seen from the second law of thermodynamics the measure of disorder or entropy can never decrease with time.

You seem to be extremely confused about what entropy is, and how it applies. Here's an educational video you might find both informative and somewhat entertaining on the subject of entropy, to give you a slightly better grasp of thermodynamics and why these laws don't apply in the way you mistakenly presume.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Kung Fu]

I would say the majority of people including both atheists and religious folk have no idea what they're talking about when they discuss evolution.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I would say the majority of people including both atheists and religious folk have no idea what they're talking about when they discuss evolution.

I quite agree! I did it for three years at Uni. There is definitely a gap between what is presented via the media and the actual substance of their findings!