Satan: Who is he?

[phipps]

 

[phipps]

 

[Clout]

Imagine choosing a man [Trump] who's ALWAYS showing his allegiances to satan, over the WORD of God?

When he was Pres, Trump banned the Iranians from making nukes, but when Biden got in he overturned Trumps ban and told he Iranians to go ahead.
So if Americans want WW3, vote for Kamala..

 

[phipps]

 

[phipps]

Beware of the devil's distractions! He's busy pulling our attention away from the only thing that truly matters - Jesus Christ.

In 1 John 2:15-17, we're warned, "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

Don't get caught up in the chaos of politics, war, AI, and fear. These are just smokescreens, designed to distract us from our true purpose - to know and serve Jesus.
As 2 Corinthians 11:3 says, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."

Lets stay focused on the Gospel. Lets keep our eyes fixed on Jesus, and not let the devil's distractions lead us astray.

Remember, "the devil goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Peter 5:8). But we can resist him, steadfast in our faith, and standing firm on the Rock of Ages - Jesus Christ.

 

[phipps]

 

[A Freeman]

Who Lucifer REALLY Is And Why You Should Care

The name “Lucifer” does NOT mean “light bearer”. His lies were unprecedented, which is why the coup he organized took the weaker-willed angels by surprise.

gibraltar-messenger.net

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

... since his defeat at the cross, Satan and his fallen angels have been confined to the earth as a prison, until they receive their punishment (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 6).

Could you elaborate?
Look at the verses you cited above:

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare the angels
when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment...

Jude v. 6
And the angels
who did not stay within their own domain
but abandoned their proper dwelling—
these He has kept in eternal chains under darkness,
bound for judgment on that great day.

You believe the earth is HELL... why?

Satan still has limited power to harm God’s people on earth --

I don't see a word about Satan in either verse-- but how can he harm anyone if he's in chains, as you said above?

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[free2018]

Evil originated with Lucifer, who rebelled against the government of God. Before his fall he was a covering cherub, distinguished by his excellence. God made him good and beautiful, as near as possible like Himself, (Ezekiel 28:12-15).

Lucifer was first introduced as a “ serpent” in Genesis. The serpent people that represent the banks and the bosses of 1 percent are his people.

 

[phipps]

Lucifer was first introduced as a “ serpent” in Genesis. The serpent people that represent the banks and the bosses of 1 percent are his people.

He is introduced in the book of Genesis as a serpent but the Bible gives us more details about him in both the Old and New Testaments. Like what position he held in heaven and why he was thrown out of heaven along with a third of the angels. The Bible isn't written chronologically with every subject, so for example we know about the war in heaven between Satan and Michael (Jesus) in the last book of the Bible, Revelation and why he could no longer be in heaven.

I agree that people in high places like the ones who run the banks as you've mentioned, top politicians, business people and sadly even some Christian leaders are his people. They do his bidding.

 

[Maldarker]

He is introduced in the book of Genesis as a serpent but the Bible gives us more details about him in both the Old and New Testaments. Like what position he held in heaven and why he was thrown out of heaven along with a third of the angels. The Bible isn't written chronologically with every subject, so for example we know about the war in heaven between Satan and Michael (Jesus) in the last book of the Bible, Revelation and why he could no longer be in heaven.

I agree that people in high places like the ones who run the banks as you've mentioned, top politicians, business people and sadly and even in some Christian leaders are his people. They do his bidding.

Are you saying michael is JESUS?

 

[phipps]

Are you saying michael is JESUS?

I am. I have a whole thread on it where most people disagreed with the truth of the Bible. I will re-post two of my posts from that thread but please go on there and read all my posts before you conclude its the truth or not. I know you don't like reading but how else are we get to know and understand God? through reading and studying His Word.

Michael Archangel does things only God can do. His voice will raise the dead at the second time. Yet the Bible tells us Jesus will raise the dead when He returns the second time. We know only the King of kings will come back and raise the righteous dead not two persons. Just one. So Jesus and the Archangel Michael are one and the same Person. I posted:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

“The Lord Himself” shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the “voice of an archangel.”

The Lord is obviously Jesus and He will come from heaven with the voice of the Archangel. The question to ask is why does Jesus use the voice of the Archangel? Is He not going to use His own voice?

I think that is a good question to ask and its answered in the gospel of John.

John 5:25-29, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

“the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God” and “and they that hear shall live.” This is pretty compelling; one verse (John 5:25) confirms that they will hear the sound of the voice of the Son of God; the other (1 Thessalonians 4:16) confirms that they will hear the sound of Michael the Archangel.

This is another verse that I mention in this thread that shows us that the voice the Archangel is the voice of Jesus. "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Matthew 24:31). Here Jesus has a trumpet that He sounds and the angels are sent to gather the elect, Just as He sounds the trump to resurrect the dead in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 as the Archangel.

All these verses confirm that Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel because His voice is the voice of the Archangel.

And:

The name "Michael" is most consistently applied to Jesus as the leader of the angelic forces in the battle against Satan.

It's the battle between Christ and His angels, and Satan and His angels.

Daniel 10 -- Michael comes to the aid of Gabriel in resisting the forces of evil in Persia

Daniel 12 -- Michael stands up to deliver His people at a time when it seems like the forces of evil are about to conquer the world.

Jude 1 -- Michael the archangel, contends with Satan over the resurrection of Moses.

1 Thessalonians 4 -- The voice of the archangel delivers the saints from the prison house of death.

Revelation 12 sums it up -- And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

No one else but Jesus Christ stands for us and totally defeats the forces of evil. Praise the Lord for His Truth is truth! And His name is Michael, as the LEADER of the angelic hosts fighting against Satan and his angels.

"They (satan's agents) shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Revelation 17:14.

And Revelation 19 shows the LEADER of the angelic hosts (the King of kings and Lord of lords) riding forth with the angelic army to deliver His people from the forces of evil.

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

Lucifer was first introduced as a “ serpent” in Genesis. The serpent people that represent the banks and the bosses of 1 percent are his people.

It's interesting stuff.
The meaning + usage of the word goes beyond snake.

HEBREW
nachash
Serpent, snake
Word Origin
- meaning "to practice divination" or "to observe signs."

nachash
an incantation, augury (omen)
Word Origin
Derived from the root נָחַשׁ (nachash), which means "to hiss" or "to whisper"- can also carry connotations of enchantment or divination due to its root verb.

GREEK
ophis
Serpent, snake; used of the devil or Satan.
Word Origin
Derived from the base of ὄψ (ops), meaning "face" or "eye," possibly alluding to the serpent's appearance or its watchful nature.

 

[A Freeman]

Revelation 12
12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman (Israel) clothed with the "sun" (Psalm 89:36), and the "moon" under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars (the Crown of Israel - one star per tribe):
12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered (John 16:21).
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).
12:5 And she brought forth a Man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] His Throne.
12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore "days" (years).
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).
12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and The Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their (human) lives unto the death (John 12:25).
12:12 Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the "earth" and of the "sea"! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time (6,000 years).
12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast onto the Earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].
12:14 And to the woman (Israel) were given two wings of a great eagle (Ex. 19:4), that she might fly into the wilderness (Britain), into her place, where she is nourished for a Time, and Times (2), and half a Time (1260 "days") (Dan. 12:7), from the face of the serpent.
12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth "water" (ch. 17:15) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away (destroyed) by the flood.
12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP the Commandments of God, and have the Testimony of Christ Jesus (the Bible).

 

[Maldarker]

I am. I have a whole thread on it where most people disagreed with the truth of the Bible. I will re-post two of my posts from that thread but please go on there and read all my posts before you conclude its the truth or not. I know you don't like reading but how else are we get to know and understand God? through reading and studying His Word.

Michael is the Archangel and He does things only God can do. His voice will raise the dead when He comes back the second time. Yet also the Bible tells us Jesus will raise the dead when He returns the second time. We know only the King of kings will come back and raise the righteous dead not two Persons. Just one. So Jesus and the Archangel Michael are one and the same Person. I posted:


And:

So your a jehovah witness? Seven day adventist? Didn't know adventists believe that its a new one to me. But your wrong.

The biblical evidence does not substantiate this. The fact that Michael is called a chief prince only means that he has authority over other angels- not over everything that exists.

In addition, Jesus is never called the chief prince in Scripture. On the contrary He is the king of kings and Lord of Lords.

And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16).

Though Michael has protected Israel, it is as God's representative. It is ultimately the Lord, not Michael, who is protecting His chosen people.

Voice Like

The fact that Christ comes with the voice, or cry of command, like an archangel does not mean that He is one. The voice He uses will be "like" or "as" that of an archangel. In other words, a powerful voice.

One Of The Chief Princes

In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).

Michael Highest Of Angels

Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.

for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).

Jude

There is a further problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:

But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).

His Name Bears Testimony

Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God.

Summary

There is no biblical evidence to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus. To the contrary, Jesus and Michael are two different personages. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings while Jesus is the LORD GOD not a created being.

 

[free2018]

It's interesting stuff.
The meaning + usage of the word goes beyond snake.

HEBREW
nachash
Serpent, snake
Word Origin
- meaning "to practice divination" or "to observe signs."

nachash
an incantation, augury (omen)
Word Origin
Derived from the root נָחַשׁ (nachash), which means "to hiss" or "to whisper"- can also carry connotations of enchantment or divination due to its root verb.

GREEK
ophis
Serpent, snake; used of the devil or Satan.
Word Origin
Derived from the base of ὄψ (ops), meaning "face" or "eye," possibly alluding to the serpent's appearance or its watchful nature.

Yes, ma’am. Great breakdown.

 

[phipps]

So your a jehovah witness? Seven day adventist? Didn't know adventists believe that its a new one to me. But your wrong.

The biblical evidence does not substantiate this. The fact that Michael is called a chief prince only means that he has authority over other angels- not over everything that exists.

In addition, Jesus is never called the chief prince in Scripture. On the contrary He is the king of kings and Lord of Lords.

And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16).

Though Michael has protected Israel, it is as God's representative. It is ultimately the Lord, not Michael, who is protecting His chosen people.

Voice Like

The fact that Christ comes with the voice, or cry of command, like an archangel does not mean that He is one. The voice He uses will be "like" or "as" that of an archangel. In other words, a powerful voice.

One Of The Chief Princes

In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).

Michael Highest Of Angels

Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.

for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).

Jude

There is a further problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:

But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).

His Name Bears Testimony

Michael, the one who is closest in proximity to the Lord at the top of the angelic creation, bears testimony to the great gap between the Creator and the created. His name means, "who is like God?" The answer, of course, is no one. The closer one gets to God, the more they realize their own nothingness and His greatness. Neither Michael, nor any of the angels, is like God.

Summary

There is no biblical evidence to equate Michael the archangel with Jesus. To the contrary, Jesus and Michael are two different personages. Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings while Jesus is the LORD GOD not a created being.

I am a Bible Christian. If you've not read everything the Bible says about Michael then you don't know what you're talking about yet. I'll discuss it with you after you've studied it (if you choose to).

Michael is Jesus, its one of His titles. As I said He does things only God can do and not created beings which all angels are. If He raises the dead at the second coming and yet the the Bible tells us in other parts that Jesus is the One who raises the dead when He comes the second time, they are the same Person unless you think two people raise the dead at the second coming. Because an angel definitely will not raise the righteous dead with his voice at the second coming. Only our Saviour who died for us. Lord of lords and King of kings.

My thread has more information and scripture to prove that.

This is the truth of the Bible whether you agree or not!

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

Are you saying michael is JESUS?

We know he isn't.
Let's look at the evidence, anyway.

Jesus said: “Get behind me, Satan!"
Then the devil left Him, and angels came
and ministered to Him. MATT 4:10-11

But Michael ...
... even the archangel Michael, when
he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses,
did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against
him, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!' Jude 9

... rebuked the Devil in His name.​

--> at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and
every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father. PHIL. 2:10-11


7th Day Adventism is a different doctrine.
Only takes a little leaven.
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[phipps]

Can I suggest that if anyone wants to discuss Michael the Archangel that they take it to the right thread and we'll discuss it there. This thread is not for this subject.

Thank you.

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

I am a Bible Christian. If you've not read everything the Bible says about Michael then you don't know what you're talking about yet. I'll discuss it with you after you've studied it (if you choose to).

Michael is Jesus, its one of His titles. As I said He does things only God can do and not created beings which all angels are. If He raises the dead at the second coming and yet the the Bible tells us in other parts that Jesus is the One who raises the dead when He comes the second time, they are the same Person unless you think two people raise the dead at the second coming. Because an angel definitely will not raise the righteous dead with His voice at the second coming. Only our Saviour who died for us. Lord lords and King of kings.

My thread has more information and scripture to prove that.

This is the truth of the Bible whether you agree or not!

It's the confirmed doctrine of Ellen White.
Why not be honest, and just let readers compare her messages to the Bible? Acts 17:11
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