Who do Muslims really worship?

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Yes, the ancient Israelites, who were later known as Jews, did worship Baal at times.

Baal was a Canaanite deity often associated with fertility, agriculture, and the weather. His worship was prevalent in the region where the Israelites lived. While the Hebrew Bible condemns Baal worship, it also provides numerous accounts of the Israelites turning away from monotheistic worship of Yahweh and engaging in Baal worship.

This practice often led to conflict and divine punishment, as depicted in biblical narratives. However, it's important to note that Baal worship was not a constant or universal practice among the Israelites. There were periods of religious revival and renewed devotion to Yahweh, and the struggle against Baal worship was a recurring theme in their history.

No, Christians have never worshipped Baal. Baal was a Canaanite deity associated with fertility, agriculture, and the weather. His worship was prevalent in the ancient Near East, particularly among the Israelites before their conversion to monotheistic Judaism.

The Bible explicitly condemns the worship of Baal as idolatry, a practice that contradicts the fundamental beliefs of Christianity. Christians believe in one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and reject the worship of any other deities.

No, Muslims have never worshipped Baal.

Baal was a Canaanite deity, primarily associated with the storm and fertility. His worship was prevalent in the ancient Near East, particularly among the Phoenicians and Canaanites.

The Quran, the holy book of Islam, explicitly condemns the worship of idols and false gods. It emphasizes the oneness of God, Allah, and rejects the polytheism practiced by many ancient cultures, including those that worshipped Baal.

It's important to note that there might be some misunderstandings or misconceptions about this topic, especially given the historical and cultural context of the region. However, based on the Islamic scriptures and historical evidence, it is clear that Muslims have always monotheistic and have never worshipped Baal or any other deity.
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Baal worship in the Bible meant full blown idolatry. Baal was the main god yes, but pagans never have only one god do they? They have other gods for different things. So the Israelites/Jews also started worshipping those other gods of the heathens too and the God of heaven. Pagan gods apparently didn't have a problem with sharing with other gods.

The Israelites/Jews knew that worshipping other gods broke the first commandment: “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3).

idolatry was attractive to most people including God's people because it was about materialism. They used types of worship that people in those days could relate to. idolaters honoured forces they believed could give them fertility and prosperity.

Sadly that means that yes, Christians and Muslims have worshipped Baal in many different ways. Many don't even know it. One writer wrote, “Many who bear the name of Christians are serving other gods besides the Lord. Our Creator demands our supreme devotion, our first allegiance. Anything which tends to abate our love for God, or to interfere with the service due Him, becomes thereby an idol.”

Idolatry is not limited to the worship of carved or painted images. Anything can be an idol. TV, sports, social media, music, politics, some of our hobbies etc. We tend to think of idols in terms of heathenism because that shifts our focus away from some of the issues closer to home.

Jesus said, "Seek first the kingdom of God...." (Matthew 6:33). He also said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength" (Matthew 22:37; Deuteronomy 6:5).
 
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In a book on theater (a book I recommend, but I hesitate, on a description, on one of the three books, new ones I recommend). I read the references to Dionysus, and before that (if I remember correctly). The first page to the rites, which are shamanistic rites. Shamanistic rites require either masks or outfits made of "straw". That some farmers use or used to protect themselves from the sun. We also find them on murals among Native Americans, who practiced agriculture, near canyons. The cult of Dionysus is represented in plays (at that moment I thought of the representation made with KPop clips, which often use representations). Then I look for the association between Baal and Freemasonry. I came across one of the pages of this link:
And while reading this is what I read:
"That there were guilds of builders in ancient Egypt I have no doubt, for the Great Pyramid and the magnificent temples were not the work of amateurs. But the first real guild of builders of which I have been able to obtain precise information is that of the "Dionysian Artificers." This ancient guild flourished at the time of the building of King Solomon's Temple. They were Phoenicians, as was Hiram, king of Tyre, and it is recorded that Solomon sent for help to Hiram, and the most natural workmen for Hiram would be this well-known guild, which is also mentioned by Strabo and other historians."
Then I continue by putting Dionysus and Freemasonry and I come across this link:
Le sacrifice humain en Grèce ancienne - Chapitre II. Sacrifice humain et culte dionysiaque - Presses universitaires de Liège (openedition.org)
Then on this link this paragraph of this link:
Now these mysteries of Dionysus were very intimately connected with a society of architects. As this association, according to the legend we are now examining, had much to do with the organization of the masonry in the Temple of Solomon, it is necessary to make a brief mention of its origin and character.
Hence the connection, with the Temple of Solomon, that Freemasonry is obsessed with using.
And a little bonus with the title of a book on the Jesus of Gnosis:
Amazon.fr - Jesus Gnosis: Ulysses, Dionysus, Baal, and Lucifer - Ragland, Thomas - Livres
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Small correction in the order of the book, he spoke of representation of hunting, but always in outfit. They hit a sculpture of an animal in clay. But the outfits remain the same as those of shamanism. Then he speaks of Egypt, passing by Shiva. Moreover on the old temples we find there at the same time, sexual scenes as scenes of circus artists doing their performances. And finally it is there that he speaks of Dionysus.
 
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Mohammed_123 said:
AI has answered many of my questions.
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That has to be the most lame, funny and depressing thing I've ever heard.

You know that it's not real don't you?
Its a computer programme, which mean it needs an human in order for it to function it isn't a sentient thing. Which means its always going to be biased.

But clue is in the name mate.

Artificial = not real/true
Intelligence........... Something you need.

I think it's time to leave this place, there's like three actual people on here that ain't as thick as pig shit.

The rest of you, you waste my time.
 
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Qur'ān, Sūratus Swaffāt means 37th Chapter: Those Arranged in Ranks



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Yes, Baal is mentioned in the Quran.

The Quran references Baal as a false deity that was worshipped by the people of Prophet Elijah (peace be upon him). It's mentioned in Surah As-Saffat (Chapter 37), verses 125-126. The Quran emphasizes the importance of worshipping Allah alone and warns against the worship of idols and false gods.
 
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illegalbeagle said:
That has to be the most lame, funny and depressing thing I've ever heard.

You know that it's not real don't you?
Its a computer programme, which mean it needs an human in order for it to function it isn't a sentient thing. Which means its always going to be biased.

But clue is in the name mate.

Artificial = not real/true
Intelligence........... Something you need.

I think it's time to leave this place, there's like three actual people on here that ain't as thick as pig shit.

The rest of you, you waste my time.
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when i actually had questions to be answered...no one came forward to answer them...

so i turned to AI..

and about 90% of my questions were answered. :)
 
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illegalbeagle said:
That has to be the most lame, funny and depressing thing I've ever heard.

You know that it's not real don't you?
Its a computer programme, which mean it needs an human in order for it to function it isn't a sentient thing. Which means its always going to be biased.

But clue is in the name mate.

Artificial = not real/true
Intelligence........... Something you need.

I think it's time to leave this place, there's like three actual people on here that ain't as thick as pig shit.

The rest of you, you waste my time.
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i actually think the human brain is more intelligent?

i have caught AI lying a few times :)
 
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The character in surah 18 KAHF always intrigues me.......

Al-Khidr is a legendary figure in Islamic tradition, often referred to as "The Green One." He is described as a servant of God with extraordinary knowledge and wisdom. His name is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but he is widely believed to be the figure described in Surah al-Kahf (The Cave).

Key points about Al-Khidr:

Encounter with Moses: In the Quranic narrative, Prophet Moses encounters Al-Khidr while seeking knowledge. Al-Khidr performs seemingly inexplicable actions, such as sinking a ship, killing a young boy, and repairing a wall. Moses is initially confused and questions Al-Khidr's actions, but Al-Khidr eventually explains that there was a hidden wisdom behind each deed.
Immortal Life: It's often believed that Al-Khidr was granted immortality by God as a reward for his piety and knowledge.
Patron Saint of Sailors: Due to his association with the sea in the Quranic story, Al-Khidr is often considered a patron saint of sailors.
Symbolism: Al-Khidr is often seen as a symbol of spiritual guidance, hidden knowledge, and the divine plan.
Popular beliefs and traditions:

Hıdırellez: In some cultures, Al-Khidr is celebrated on a festival called Hıdırellez, which is believed to be a time when he visits the earth.
Sufism: Al-Khidr is a revered figure in Sufism, a mystical branch of Islam. Sufis often associate him with spiritual enlightenment and the attainment of divine knowledge.
While the exact historical or mythological origins of Al-Khidr are unclear, he remains a significant figure in Islamic folklore and spirituality, inspiring stories and beliefs across various cultures.

 
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Mohammed_123 said:
do you know if dhul karnain from surah kahf -surah 18 is dionysus?
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i found my answer...

No, Dhu'l-Qarnayn is not the same as Dionysus.

Dhu'l-Qarnayn is a figure mentioned in the Quran, specifically in Surah al-Kahf. He is described as a powerful ruler who conquered the East and West. His identity is a subject of much debate among scholars, with various theories proposing him to be Alexander the Great, Cyrus the Great, or even a mythical figure.

Dionysus, on the other hand, is a Greek god associated with wine, fertility, and revelry. He is often depicted as a youthful figure carrying a thyrsus (a staff topped with a pine cone) and accompanied by satyrs.

While both figures are significant in their respective cultures, they have distinct characteristics and origins.
 
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Mohammed_123 said:
The character in surah 18 KAHF always intrigues me.......

Al-Khidr is a legendary figure in Islamic tradition, often referred to as "The Green One." He is described as a servant of God with extraordinary knowledge and wisdom. His name is not explicitly mentioned in the Quran, but he is widely believed to be the figure described in Surah al-Kahf (The Cave).
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The Egyptian god PTAH is also green coloured
 
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Green-Skinned Deities: A Mythological Exploration
While green skin is not a universal characteristic across all pantheons, it does appear in several mythological traditions, often symbolizing rebirth, fertility, or a connection to nature. Here are a few notable examples:

Egyptian Mythology
  • Osiris: The god of the afterlife, resurrection, and vegetation. Often depicted with green skin, symbolizing rebirth and the fertile Nile.
  • Sobek: The crocodile-headed god of fertility, water, and protection. Sometimes portrayed with green skin, reflecting his association with the Nile.
Hindu Mythology
  • Yamraj: The Hindu god of death, often depicted with green skin. This color may symbolize life's fleeting nature or the cycle of rebirth.
Celtic Mythology
  • Lugh: A versatile deity associated with various skills, including crafts, warfare, and agriculture. While not always depicted with green skin, his connection to the harvest and nature might suggest a potential association with this color.
Other Mythologies
  • Green Man: A figure found in folklore and mythology across various cultures, often associated with nature and fertility. While not necessarily a deity, the Green Man's green complexion symbolizes his connection to the natural world.
 
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Mohammed_123 said:
Green-Skinned Deities: A Mythological Exploration
While green skin is not a universal characteristic across all pantheons, it does appear in several mythological traditions, often symbolizing rebirth, fertility, or a connection to nature. Here are a few notable examples:

Egyptian Mythology
  • Osiris: The god of the afterlife, resurrection, and vegetation. Often depicted with green skin, symbolizing rebirth and the fertile Nile.
  • Sobek: The crocodile-headed god of fertility, water, and protection. Sometimes portrayed with green skin, reflecting his association with the Nile.
Hindu Mythology
  • Yamraj: The Hindu god of death, often depicted with green skin. This color may symbolize life's fleeting nature or the cycle of rebirth.
Celtic Mythology
  • Lugh: A versatile deity associated with various skills, including crafts, warfare, and agriculture. While not always depicted with green skin, his connection to the harvest and nature might suggest a potential association with this color.
Other Mythologies
  • Green Man: A figure found in folklore and mythology across various cultures, often associated with nature and fertility. While not necessarily a deity, the Green Man's green complexion symbolizes his connection to the natural world.
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Green-Skinned Deities: A Mythological Medley
Green skin is a common motif in various mythologies, often associated with nature, fertility, or healing. Here are a few notable examples:

Greek Mythology
  • Dionysus: The god of wine, revelry, and theater, Dionysus is sometimes depicted with green skin, symbolizing his connection to nature and the earth.
  • Pan: The god of the wild, forests, and shepherds, Pan is often depicted with green skin and goat-like legs.
Hindu Mythology
  • Virabhadra: A fierce manifestation of Shiva, Virabhadra is often depicted with green skin and a wrathful expression.
Norse Mythology
  • Loki: While not always depicted with green skin, Loki is sometimes associated with the earth and nature, and can be depicted with green or earthy tones.
Celtic Mythology
  • Green Man: A figure found in folklore and art, the Green Man is often depicted with a face formed from foliage or leaves, symbolizing the cycle of life and regeneration.
Note: These are just a few examples, and the depiction of deities can vary across different cultures and time periods. Green skin may be associated with specific attributes, such as fertility, healing, or connection to the natural world, but the exact meaning can depend on the context.

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Similarities Between Jesus and Dionysus
The similarities between Jesus and Dionysus, two prominent figures in religious history, have been a subject of scholarly debate for centuries. Some of the most notable parallels include:

Divine Birth: Both figures are claimed to have been born of a virgin mother, a motif common in various mythologies.
Miracles: Both are associated with performing miraculous acts, such as healing the sick, casting out demons, and even raising the dead.

Crucifixion and Resurrection: While the circumstances are different, both figures are said to have suffered a sacrificial death and subsequently resurrected.

Sacrament of Communion: The Christian Eucharist and the Dionysian mysteries both involve the consumption of a sacred substance (bread and wine) as a symbol of divine union.

Association with Wine: Both Jesus and Dionysus are closely linked to wine. Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding feast, while Dionysus is often depicted as the god of wine and revelry.

Following: Both figures had dedicated followers who believed in their divine nature and teachings.

It's important to note that while these similarities exist, there are also significant differences between the two figures, particularly in terms of their theological and philosophical teachings. Some scholars argue that these similarities are a result of cultural diffusion or shared archetypal motifs, while others believe they indicate a deeper connection between the two religions.

Dionysus's mother was Semele.

Semele was a mortal princess who was seduced by Zeus, the king of the gods. When Semele became pregnant, Hera, Zeus's jealous wife, tricked her into asking Zeus to reveal himself in all his glory. The intense light of Zeus's divine form proved too much for Semele, and she was consumed by fire. However, Zeus managed to save the unborn Dionysus, who was then sewn into Zeus's thigh and carried to full term

Dionysus's father was Zeus, the king of the gods in Greek mythology. Zeus had a romantic affair with Semele, a mortal princess, and Dionysus was the result of this union.
 
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