@M G
You've wrote a long response and you've packed a lot in it. So my response is going to be equally long and I am going to read the scripture you've posted to understand where you come from. So I will be a while before I fully respond.
Hmmmm.... Many Christian religions are 'solo scriptora' Bible only (Baptists/GoodNewsAssembly) and from Genesis, we know humans Adam and Eve were not supposed to know about or eat out of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They failed and lost paradise right away in Genesis. Lucifer was gloating at how quick and easy we were to trick, constantly trying to show God how inferior humans are, and you know the rest- he was punished and we were punished, with growing old to death.
Actually most religions are not sola scriptura. They think they are but they are not. It is a minority in Christendom who are sola scriptura according to God's Word.
Adam and Eve knew about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden and were told by God not to eat of it. Obviously they did not fully understand the consequences of eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They understood after they gave into Satan's temptation and the fall of mankind.
The book of Enoch does perfectly explain what the Bible hints at "there were giants in those days" b/c they were human moms with fallen angel 'watcher' dads.
The Bible never hints at the Nephilim being anything other than human and the book of Enoch that contradicts the Bible on most things is wrong. Anything that contradicts the Word of God on most things doesn't and cannot explain the Bible. The truth of God is about all truth or its a lie. I explain about the book of Enoch and its falsities
here,
here and
here in my thread about the Nephilim in the Bible. The book of Enoch is a sham and its sad that many Christians believe anything written in it.
Prior to our creation, angels did not procreate or have kids, so they were crazy curious and jealous and wanted to have families also. The book of Enoch (free online) names all of them. "And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens. Galdreel was the angel that was guarding the gates of Garden of Eden, so Lucifer had to trick him into entry, so he could then trick Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of knowledge. Ugh. The book of Enoch does not explain if Lucifer was tempting the watchers, or if they all just did it of their own curiosity or their own free will?
All lies I'm afraid and they do not harmonise with the Bible which many Christians ignore.
Can you please answer the questions below? If you do, I would appreciate if you share scripture from the Bible to prove your points.
Why would angels who are higher than human beings be jealous of humans?
Were all angels jealous of humans procreating or was it just the evil ones?
Did this jealousy for human procreation happen before or after Satan and the demons rebelled in heaven and were thrown our of heaven?
God gave the institution of marriage only to human beings. It was God's plan that mankind procreated in marriage only. Jesus said:
Luke 20:34-36, "Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
Mark 12:25, "For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven."
God only intended for procreation to take place in marriage. God gave the institution of marriage only to human beings. Therefore angels cannot procreate because they cannot marry. God did not create them as sexual beings or with the ability to procreate. How did the evil angels find the ability to procreate with human beings without it being created in them?
The Bible tells us that God created all His creatures after their own kind, and only after their own kind.
“Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so” (
Genesis 1:24). Can angels who are not human, who are not flesh and blood really procreate with human beings who are not of their kind?
Could Satan after the fall really tempt and get any of the righteous angels to sin against God after he rebelled and got kicked out of heaven? They were well aware Satan was evil and lost at that point.
Where in the Bible is any of this even hinted at?
Lots of the nephalim are mentioned in the actual Bible: Azazel: "Aaron shall cast lots on the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other lot for Azazel. Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the Lord, and offer it as a sin offering; but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the Lord to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel" scapegoal origin from Leviticus 16:6.
I read Leviticus 16:6 and Azazel is not mentioned. Then I read the whole of Leviticus 16 and Azazel is not mentioned in the whole chapter either.
However
Leviticus 16 is talking about the day of atonement or Yom Kippur. It was part of ceremonial law and part of the earthly sanctuary and temple systems that took place once a year. It was the most solemn Old Testament ritual/ceremony. This solemn ceremony enacted the washing away of Israel’s sins. The sanctuary was cleansed, symbolizing the cleansing of the people’s hearts before God. The high priest would make atonement for the whole camp of Israel (
Leviticus 16:30).
There were two goats. The first goat was sacrificed on the altar and represented Christ who would die for our sins. He is the lamb that takes away the sins of the world.
The second goat was the scapegoat. The sins that had been removed from the sanctuary were placed on the scapegoat, which was sent out into the wilderness to die.
I explain all this in greater detail in my thread
Heavenly Temple/Sanctuary. Most Christians do not know about this biblical subject. Its about what Jesus id doing as High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary/temple as mostly the book of Hebrews tells us.
There is nothing in Leviticus 16 about Nephilim or giants at all. You've misunderstood it.
The nephalim (baby giants that grew to be three thousand ells high) went on to corrupt the earth, taught by their superpower dads how to make drugs/weapons/make up/sorcery and war- they caused lots of sin and destruction and promiscuity then possible interbreeding between other species (mermaids/unicorns).
Genesis 6:6 says that “The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.” And, in response, God determined to destroy all life on the earth. It would be easy to read this and see a God who was caught off guard by how sinful humanity had become. A God who became so angry that he decided to wipe out the whole mess and start over again. Enoch was Noahs grandpa, so this book for sure fills in the mystery & those knowledge gaps. Saint Christopher was a reprobate/giant and the Catholic church teaches his story. Nimrod was a nephalim (hybrid giant). David fought Goliath, a nephalim hybrid giant.
Completely untrue and not biblical at all. The Nephilim were completely human. I posted in my thread about Nephilim:
"...as noted above, angels are much more powerful than humans. If angels chose to mate with human women, humans could do nothing to stop it. Why, then, would God judge mankind for the misbehaviour of fallen angels?"
You are correct that we are not supposed to know any thing about them, or intermingle with the spirit world at all, but when you read the book and add it all up, the stories do make some sense. They had rage b/c God destroyed their wives and all their kids in the flood. So, their souls are injured and their hearts break, just like a humans.
Biblically God did not destroy the wives of the evil angels because they cannot marry or procreate. God did not create that ability in them.
The issue in the Bible with the Nephilim and the whole human race was sin. It has always been sin. In
Genesis 6 after the sons of God married the daughters of men, sin increased in the world. The Bible says,
"Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them” (
Genesis 6:5-7).
It was sin that got Satan and his evil angels thrown out of heaven. It was sin that separated God from mankind through Adam and Eve. It was sin that got all mankind to be destroyed during the flood except eight people who were Noah and his family. It is sin that made Christ come to this world and pay for the penalty of sin on our behalf so we don't have to. God abhors sin and it is the main issue between Him and us. He loves us but He cannot stand our sin.
After Jesus died and was buried, he descended into hell for three days according to the Aposles Creed;
which dates back to around 390 AD, over 300 years after the New Testament. We never do find out what was discussed or negotiated during those three days, but my guess is the fallen angels wanted to get back into heaven, or occupy earth, as both places are much better than Hell. Short of that, they wanted to prove to God that the inferior, simple humans would sin just as much in our earthly way as they did in their fallen angel way, and that we should occupy hell also if we sinned as much/more than them in our contingent. Isis was totally outraged (more than most demons) and deemed Heaven being unfair negotiations to them.Bible passages (for those of you who are solo scriptora people) that support the idea that Jesus descended into hell for the negotiations:1 Peter 3:18-20 , Acts 2:27 , Romans 10:6–7 , Ephesians 4:8–9 , 1 Peter 4:6
& Hebrews 13:11–12
Again this is not true or biblical at all. Why would Jesus Who is God and righteous descend into hell at all? Why and who would God negotiate with?
After Satan and the evil angels were thrown out of heaven, that was it for them. Their end was hell and destruction eternally and they knew it. There were no negotiations to be had with God after that. Remember the Bible says,
"Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time” (
Revelation 12:12).
Biblically Satan and the fallen angels will never go back to heaven ever again. They lost their first estate as the book of Jude tells us. The wicked/unrighteous people will not make it to heaven either. Only the righteous will go to heaven with Christ and forever be with Him. The Bible tells us,
"But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life" (
Revelation 21:27).
Biblically hell is meant for Satan and his demons and the wicked/unrighteous will sadly be punished there too before they die eternally. Hell does not exist right now either. it will take place right here on earth just before God creates a new heaven and new earth.
If you also study the Bible and what it teaches about death, it makes it clear its just an unconscious state. Jesus even called death sleep in the Bible before He resurrected Lazarus. Again I have a thread about these subject because a lot of what Christians are taught on these subjects are not based on the clear Word of God. A lot of it is man made doctrine and some of it comes directly from paganism unfortunately.
You've misunderstood those passages from the Bible as well.
Please note: I looked into this in middle age b/c I heard high schoolers discussing this info in detail. I asked how they know so much and it is from pop culture video games?! Tomb Raider, the Nephalim Saga, Ogre Battle, Fire Emblem, The Sleeper, Symphony of War- Remember, Lucifer took 33.3% (long play record size, lol) which were mostly the choir/band/orchestra, and preachers (Loki) as he was the chief choir director. They compose some of our hypnotic sounding spun gold addicting music here on earth.
That is not where we learn about Satan though is it? Its the Bible that tells us his origin, who and what he is, what his end is going to be, how to not give into his temptations and lose our lives eternally like Satan and evil angels are going to etc.
Lots of places to look for the hidden information, its every where.
Does this hidden information harmonise with God's Word? If not then its false doctrine and that is what you believe in. A false doctrine that is not of God.
If you are going to respond to this post, can you please do it in my thread about the
Nephilim? Thanks.
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