nonsense.Believe it or not, the separation between the sexes is not limited to Salafism. There are Christian sects that also practice this to a degree. I think that it is not God's intention for mankind to be separated from half of itself and is an extreme response in addressing a problem based in the heart of man.
Division is not a directive from God, but from His opponent in order to create miscomprehensions and ignorance of each other and to prevent humanity from becoming unified. Keep the race separated in as many ways possible so it can be defeated by injustice and elitism within its ranks.
Please explain yourself, otherwise I will assume you are just responding in a contrary manner because you have never, ever agreed with one thing I have said in the year that I have known you and you cannot break yourself out of this pattern.nonsense.
I never disagree for the sake of it but I always give you clear cut arguments why I don't support your views..they usually fall on deaf ears so what's the point?Please explain yourself, otherwise I will assume you are just responding in a contrary manner because you have never, ever agreed with one thing I have said in the year that I have known you and you cannot break yourself out of this pattern.
in islam, the path of right-action (islam) and the path of non-action (Ihsan ie what you're talking about) are both good, but obviously the path of non-action is far superior. With the path of right-action you have to make the efforts to subdue your carnal nature by following God's law. The problem is obviously most of us fail in that regard. However in islam if you have the right intention, that will go on your account.@AspiringSoul
Thank you for responding as asked.
It is the same attempt to keep from sinning that has never worked because sin originates in the heart of man. We ourselves cannot apply any outward method to prevent that from happening perhaps even .01% of the time on a consistent basis.
Then again, sin must be defined. I believe God defines it in His Word, the Bible.
An outward application to clean ourselves up will never work as sin is found within the heart of man.
To renew the sinful mind of man is the work of the Holy Spirit as He monitors and teaches man's spirit to become more like Christ.
If i was specifically referring to strict sufi terms i'd say 'sufism/islamic sufism'. Here I was clearly talking about Islam but with the addition of sufi (and non sufi) based interpretations.You should say, "In Sufism" and not, "in Islam."
sufism/tasawuff is islam...and most sunnis in the world adhere to it's ideas. in fact islam spread in many places exclusively because of sufis.Why do you always talk about Sufism if you're a Sunni?
What are the exact definitions of 'traditions of the forefathers'? Does that include owning a slave or just purely Quranic teachings?The Salafi movement or Salafist movement or Salafism is an ultra-conservative reform branch or movement within Sunni Islam that developed in Arabia in the first half of the 18th century. It advocated a return to the traditions of the "forefathers''
There's a difference between following the way of the salaf (those before us who followed the sunnah and Quran well) and being a Salafist.
The prophet had ways he would worship, ways he'd conduct himself in public and ways he'd speak. Politeness, patience and perseverance a few examples. Many Hadiths explain this...What are the exact definitions of 'traditions of the forefathers'? Does that include owning a slave or just purely Quranic teachings?
Tunisia recently overturned a ban on women marrying non-muslim men and i thought it interesting that there's a ban on polygamy, which, the quran/hadith advocates. Obviously there were people up in arms. So Salafists much prefer a theocracy? What country/region in the Middle East would be best described as heavy with salafism?
Every reply you have made to me tells me that you have lumped me together with mainline Christianity. I say this not to separate myself from other believers who are in a different place in their faith journey, but to make you aware that you have a deep bias and a knack for making incorrect assumptions.in islam, the path of right-action (islam) and the path of non-action (Ihsan ie what you're talking about) are both good, but obviously the path of non-action is far superior. With the path of right-action you have to make the efforts to subdue your carnal nature by following God's law. The problem is obviously most of us fail in that regard. However in islam if you have the right intention, that will go on your account.
So part of God's law is to segregate the sexes.
What you said was something else altogether
"Division is not a directive from God, but from His opponent in order to create miscomprehensions and ignorance of each other and to prevent humanity from becoming unified"
were you really saying that the laws in the Torah and Quran are from satan?
was it really just another poor dig at islam?
I understand this whole theme well enough but you need to seriously ask yourself, if all this was true then why the hell did christians fall short? think about it, how many people are out there as christians, who have been baptised and had good intentions but still cannot overcome lust? inc homosexual lust?
When I read Paul's teachings I got sucked into the narrative too, the arguments he was trying to get across...namely, on overcoming our carnal nature.
What I learnt was what sufism already talked about in depth
basically it goes like this
we'll always fall short, we're limited...but Jesus was perfect.
Jesus became the archetype of spiritual perfection and union with God (Ihsan).
Therefore rather than us attempt to follow laws based on our limited capacity..why not attain gnosis of Jesus Christ? ie to become One with him. That way, his qualities become our qualities and we don't have to make an effort.
Getting baptised, saying and even believing in the core beliefs...doesn't mean anything, you have to 'remain in Christ'..and they call it the path of Divine love.
do you think this is a way for ordinary people?
this is precisely why islam came into the world because the true christian path is only for people who are truely dedicated to God alone.
Jesus said your eye must remain single
you cannot love both God and mammon at the same time. so a true christian is one who sacrifices every single thing they have in the pursuit of union with God.
Your understanding of christianity is that you say a few choice words, get baptised and the holy spirit magically does everything for you.