BTS discussion thread

Journal atlas

Rookie
Joined
Oct 2, 2021
Messages
44
What I find a little bizarre is that the article refers to the kissing of the celebrity at the celebrity hug event as an unexpected and unforseen occurrence. Really? This type of thing couldn’t have been predicted? Hugs and kisses tend to go together. This is not to say that the ARMYs had a right to kiss Jin without his consent of course. I just find it wild that they would go so far as to suggest that stolen kisses could not have been anticipated in such a setting.
Not okay to do anything without consent, but it's interesting fans in Korea are expected to spend thousands on idols, forgo dating at the behest of their idols(many tell fans not to date and only focus on them), are basically super lonely like most in korean culture and a kiss on the cheek is wild to everyone. I think I posted somewhere before that with western celebs tight hugs and friendly kisses on the cheek are normal but in Korea they seem to have this odd imitation of that but with no emotion involved. They have a robotic version of spreading love but in reality the celebs are disgusted by showing affection to strangers.

Not that americans can't be too touchy or grabby as well which isn't right
1719362852814.png
but there's not a criminalization or fans berating or bullying other fans who get special attention like hugs or kisses.
1719362911600.png
it's interesting how jb fans in asia quickly where able to expect hugs and kisses because they knew what fans in the west got. It says a lot about cultural practices and humanity because honestly I don't believe "asian fans" are as shy or as jealous as any other human has the potential to be. The reality is fans in asia are treated as lowly and act as such. They can make demands but many never ask for more than a stiff photo if that. Kpop took the marketing advice of western entertainment but has such a wide gap between different classes of people. The reality is the fansign hugs and kisses are meant for wealthy heiress'/ fans who spend millions a year and not the common women. That's why you will never see street photos of idols with Korean fans. Maybe if they go on vacation in a foreign country but very uncommon. This is a big reason why they hate/ are jealous of ifans. It's actually sad how they get treated. But in return the idols have it worse to, one dating scandal with real evidence or a 'photo of a kiss' they'd be dead in Korea. It's messed up all the way around

The reality is fans who are treated like people and not cash cows tend to loose the fanatical behavior and chill out a lot more. I'm not sure if any modern day idol could have a spouse and share their life and be casual. Not because asian fans aren't human but because the system of idols is outdated and used simply as a major distraction from the gov even more than celebs are here. It leads to most never accepting celebs growing up and wanting them to stay young childlike and asexual forever. Some wish death on idols who try to have american style freedom yet may like american artist, but don't give asian celebs the same respect.

They stream and chart more but the reality is if a dating scandal can ruin your career you don't have a career.

In reality this is just sad but anthropology wise celeb culture is fascinating.
1719364956354.png
knowing how insane and overprotective japanese fans have a history of being seeing a western celeb go and have people change behavioral patterns they swore they'd never change is insane. I've seen many argue Kfans aren't brash and desperate like western fans and only care about the idols success, but they are notorious for wanting idols who openly date to feel their wrath. The reality is when celebs are curated to be perfect it has a negative affect on the fans. It's not realistic so the fans warp their minds to create a new world where it all makes sense. I don't know much about what happened but if Kpop keeps going the way it's going the fans will be even crazier. They will believe the celebs really aren't human at all.
 

Hav3_U_H3ard

Established
Joined
Nov 10, 2023
Messages
298
Not okay to do anything without consent, but it's interesting fans in Korea are expected to spend thousands on idols, forgo dating at the behest of their idols(many tell fans not to date and only focus on them), are basically super lonely like most in korean culture and a kiss on the cheek is wild to everyone. I think I posted somewhere before that with western celebs tight hugs and friendly kisses on the cheek are normal but in Korea they seem to have this odd imitation of that but with no emotion involved. They have a robotic version of spreading love but in reality the celebs are disgusted by showing affection to strangers.

Not that americans can't be too touchy or grabby as well which isn't right
View attachment 106952
but there's not a criminalization or fans berating or bullying other fans who get special attention like hugs or kisses.
View attachment 106953
it's interesting how jb fans in asia quickly where able to expect hugs and kisses because they knew what fans in the west got. It says a lot about cultural practices and humanity because honestly I don't believe "asian fans" are as shy or as jealous as any other human has the potential to be. The reality is fans in asia are treated as lowly and act as such. They can make demands but many never ask for more than a stiff photo if that. Kpop took the marketing advice of western entertainment but has such a wide gap between different classes of people. The reality is the fansign hugs and kisses are meant for wealthy heiress'/ fans who spend millions a year and not the common women. That's why you will never see street photos of idols with Korean fans. Maybe if they go on vacation in a foreign country but very uncommon. This is a big reason why they hate/ are jealous of ifans. It's actually sad how they get treated. But in return the idols have it worse to, one dating scandal with real evidence or a 'photo of a kiss' they'd be dead in Korea. It's messed up all the way around

The reality is fans who are treated like people and not cash cows tend to loose the fanatical behavior and chill out a lot more. I'm not sure if any modern day idol could have a spouse and share their life and be casual. Not because asian fans aren't human but because the system of idols is outdated and used simply as a major distraction from the gov even more than celebs are here. It leads to most never accepting celebs growing up and wanting them to stay young childlike and asexual forever. Some wish death on idols who try to have american style freedom yet may like american artist, but don't give asian celebs the same respect.

They stream and chart more but the reality is if a dating scandal can ruin your career you don't have a career.

In reality this is just sad but anthropology wise celeb culture is fascinating.
View attachment 106954
knowing how insane and overprotective japanese fans have a history of being seeing a western celeb go and have people change behavioral patterns they swore they'd never change is insane. I've seen many argue Kfans aren't brash and desperate like western fans and only care about the idols success, but they are notorious for wanting idols who openly date to feel their wrath. The reality is when celebs are curated to be perfect it has a negative affect on the fans. It's not realistic so the fans warp their minds to create a new world where it all makes sense. I don't know much about what happened but if Kpop keeps going the way it's going the fans will be even crazier. They will believe the celebs really aren't human at all.
Interesting perspective. I see most if not all of this fandom and celeb stuff as psychological manipulation and brainwashing. Celebrity personas are fake and scripted; their job is to keep buzz, “controversies” and distractions going constantly.
 

e-Enoch

Superstar
Joined
Sep 21, 2021
Messages
15,913

Hav3_U_H3ard

Established
Joined
Nov 10, 2023
Messages
298
...Suga was also a Valentino "ambassador..."
Which per usual is by the numbers. And per usual 223/322 are numerical highlights:

(a.) “Valentino”= 223 like “Skull and Crossbones”.

(b.) Yoongi’s birthday, “March 9, 1993”= 322 in gematria… reminding of Order 322 aka Skull and Crossbones

(c.) Yoongi’s show “Suchwita” and it’s theme song “Daechwita” each= 223 in gematria. “Daechwita” was even released on May 22, the day leaving 223 days left in the year… In case that isn’t enough, the first episode of Suchwita aired on 12/5 with guest RM. Between RM’s birthday and that date was 2 months and 23 days for another 223.

(d.) “Valentino” and Yoongi’s name and date of birth sync up by the numbers in various other ways.

(e.) Over the years, Yoongi has had hashtags and even a social media quote that = 322 in gematria.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 1, 2021
Messages
4,698
Not okay to do anything without consent, but it's interesting fans in Korea are expected to spend thousands on idols, forgo dating at the behest of their idols(many tell fans not to date and only focus on them), are basically super lonely like most in korean culture and a kiss on the cheek is wild to everyone. I think I posted somewhere before that with western celebs tight hugs and friendly kisses on the cheek are normal but in Korea they seem to have this odd imitation of that but with no emotion involved. They have a robotic version of spreading love but in reality the celebs are disgusted by showing affection to strangers.

Not that americans can't be too touchy or grabby as well which isn't right
View attachment 106952
but there's not a criminalization or fans berating or bullying other fans who get special attention like hugs or kisses.
View attachment 106953
it's interesting how jb fans in asia quickly where able to expect hugs and kisses because they knew what fans in the west got. It says a lot about cultural practices and humanity because honestly I don't believe "asian fans" are as shy or as jealous as any other human has the potential to be. The reality is fans in asia are treated as lowly and act as such. They can make demands but many never ask for more than a stiff photo if that. Kpop took the marketing advice of western entertainment but has such a wide gap between different classes of people. The reality is the fansign hugs and kisses are meant for wealthy heiress'/ fans who spend millions a year and not the common women. That's why you will never see street photos of idols with Korean fans. Maybe if they go on vacation in a foreign country but very uncommon. This is a big reason why they hate/ are jealous of ifans. It's actually sad how they get treated. But in return the idols have it worse to, one dating scandal with real evidence or a 'photo of a kiss' they'd be dead in Korea. It's messed up all the way around

The reality is fans who are treated like people and not cash cows tend to loose the fanatical behavior and chill out a lot more. I'm not sure if any modern day idol could have a spouse and share their life and be casual. Not because asian fans aren't human but because the system of idols is outdated and used simply as a major distraction from the gov even more than celebs are here. It leads to most never accepting celebs growing up and wanting them to stay young childlike and asexual forever. Some wish death on idols who try to have american style freedom yet may like american artist, but don't give asian celebs the same respect.

They stream and chart more but the reality is if a dating scandal can ruin your career you don't have a career.

In reality this is just sad but anthropology wise celeb culture is fascinating.
View attachment 106954
knowing how insane and overprotective japanese fans have a history of being seeing a western celeb go and have people change behavioral patterns they swore they'd never change is insane. I've seen many argue Kfans aren't brash and desperate like western fans and only care about the idols success, but they are notorious for wanting idols who openly date to feel their wrath. The reality is when celebs are curated to be perfect it has a negative affect on the fans. It's not realistic so the fans warp their minds to create a new world where it all makes sense. I don't know much about what happened but if Kpop keeps going the way it's going the fans will be even crazier. They will believe the celebs really aren't human at all.
A fan hugged Yj of t×t with his permission and the other fans online had a tantrum. Chr1s Br0wn held a similar type of fan meeting, but also held fan's butts, hugged, and took pictures. I don't think kpop idols allow fans to take pictures. Kpop is a pale imitation of American population music, and it's run by people who don't care about the fan's emotional well-being or health. If they did, a lot of things wouldn't be the way they are.
 

minnie82

Superstar
Joined
Jun 26, 2022
Messages
5,738
A fan hugged Yj of t×t with his permission and the other fans online had a tantrum. Chr1s Br0wn held a similar type of fan meeting, but also held fan's butts, hugged, and took pictures. I don't think kpop idols allow fans to take pictures. Kpop is a pale imitation of American population music, and it's run by people who don't care about the fan's emotional well-being or health. If they did, a lot of things wouldn't be the way they are.
I think because some kpop fans are very toxic. How are you ?long time no see you
 

e-Enoch

Superstar
Joined
Sep 21, 2021
Messages
15,913
A fan hugged Yj of t×t with his permission and the other fans online had a tantrum. Chr1s Br0wn held a similar type of fan meeting, but also held fan's butts, hugged, and took pictures. I don't think kpop idols allow fans to take pictures. Kpop is a pale imitation of American population music, and it's run by people who don't care about the fan's emotional well-being or health. If they did, a lot of things wouldn't be the way they are.
Hi! Welcome back! :)
 

theartbook35

Veteran
Joined
Dec 9, 2020
Messages
747
A fan hugged Yj of t×t with his permission and the other fans online had a tantrum. Chr1s Br0wn held a similar type of fan meeting, but also held fan's butts, hugged, and took pictures. I don't think kpop idols allow fans to take pictures. Kpop is a pale imitation of American population music, and it's run by people who don't care about the fan's emotional well-being or health. If they did, a lot of things wouldn't be the way they are.
Strawberry! It's been forever! How's life?

Kpop fans can been horrifyingly toxic. For example, some fans felt "betrayed" after Sungmin of Suju got married. Imagine how armpits would behave if one of the BT5 members got married...

Even before that, remember the Only 13 situation with Henry? I'm still scarred by that. Apparently there are still some people who yell that at him to this day. All over fans misunderstanding and panicking over a statement from SM.
 

minnie82

Superstar
Joined
Jun 26, 2022
Messages
5,738
Strawberry! It's been forever! How's life?

Kpop fans can been horrifyingly toxic. For example, some fans felt "betrayed" after Sungmin of Suju got married. Imagine how armpits would behave if one of the BT5 members got married...

Even before that, remember the Only 13 situation with Henry? I'm still scarred by that. Apparently there are still some people who yell that at him to this day. All over fans misunderstanding and panicking over a statement from SM.
yes i imagine the day they would announce their engagements or marriages .. some army would be mad at them
 

e-Enoch

Superstar
Joined
Sep 21, 2021
Messages
15,913

e-Enoch

Superstar
Joined
Sep 21, 2021
Messages
15,913
OMG Mainstream Tv
“we all got long covid because of the vaccine”

 

Journal atlas

Rookie
Joined
Oct 2, 2021
Messages
44
Interesting perspective. I see most if not all of this fandom and celeb stuff as psychological manipulation and brainwashing. Celebrity personas are fake and scripted; their job is to keep buzz, “controversies” and distractions going constantly.
It definitely is, but it's like teaching it's a job. Some teachers can create a lovely manipulative environment and create nice behaving little humans others can make the kids competitive and fight over scraps of attention. To me the purpose of kpop was to make the fandom desperate for validation, love and appreciation they will never get. That's why they do more than any other fandom out there but get the least. The fans are happy that if they ever see their favorite celeb they politely smile and turn the other way. I've never seen someone brag to not be allowed to walk up to someone they admire. They are not only okay with the superiority idols have to the average person they have internalized it. I think this is why depression and body dysmorphia and gender issues are rampant in kpop fandoms. Rather than getting their emotions for an artist out in a healthy way they flip it around and hyper focus on shipping and imagining themselves as males to fit the idea of what they believe their idol likes. Both girl group fans and boy group fans reject femininity in some way because of how unrealistic either the idea is compared to how they can relate to it or become it. It's almost pragmatic and seems highly destructive in nature both to Korean and American culture. It's taking the idolatry to another level. Their images are so far removed from reality if fans find out one thing that isn't perfect about the person they begin to have mental breakdowns. If 20th to 21st century entertainment was a class in the future I think that K-pop would mark the beginning of the end of the modern entertainment industry. It turned an artistic industry into a conveyor belt factory; which broke the very foundations of what everything was built off of. It's supposed to be real people taken and molded into something fake and then people loose interest over time and seek out the next young authentic thing. Now that everything is semi based off of the Kpop model nothing is authentic, it was rare before but now you have children who never had real lives and were kept inside perfect boxes. Plus the country's society makes it so most live that life anyway. This is why when you see kpop idols from america's old facebook you're confronted with the fact that even though most would see them as straight laced cookie cutter kids; in Korea if they took a picture with a foreign friend or a male hugged a girl, or they went to prom they are 'ruined' to the average Korean as an idol. This isn't a preference with American ent over Korean ent it's a question of is humanity loosing itself.
 
Top