Differences between the Bible and Islam

[Haich]

This is a good question.
Jesus directly said to turn the other cheek.

Matthew 5
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also


I haven't read that part of the Quran yet, but a Muslim individual told me that is not what the Quran teaches. That Islam teaches eye for an eye, still.

Perhaps a Muslim person could clarify this: does the Quran teach to turn the other cheek, or eye for an eye?

I found this article

Turning the Other Cheek - Between Jesus and Muhammad | About Islam

The perception of Jesus (peace be upon him) as a passive individual who would have never encouraged violence in inaccurate even according to Christian...

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It claims Islam teaches similar to Christianity. However...

That is not what Jesus said

Matthew 5
40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

The law is different in The Quran as it is a new revelation for mankind. So of course some differences will be there. The Quran takes a balanced approach. We are taught to forgive and have mercy on others just as God forgives and has mercy on us:

[41:34] Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend

[8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

However, we are not stupid and ridiculous. You cannot expect someone to try and rob you and then you give them your coat and belongings. Unless of course your life is danger and they have a weapon. You fight and defend yourself. That’s literally what everyone does so I don’t know you’re even referring to turning the other cheek as I don’t see anyone doing that in a threatening situation.

[42:41] Certainly, those who stand up for their rights, when injustice befalls them, are not committing any error.
[42:42] The wrong ones are those who treat the people unjustly, and resort to aggression without provocation. These have incurred a painful retribution.
[42:43] Resorting to patience and forgiveness reflects a true strength of character.

We are always encouraged to forgive and leave others if they’ve wronged us but are allowed to defend ourselves.

 

[Haich]

Why are talking about what Jesus said and quoting Matthew? Do you not see how strange that is? You’re relying on the account of a man to make sense of what Jesus said.

I don’t know what Mathew is talking about. If someone steals your coat why on Earth would you give them your cloak also? This isn’t a buy one get one free sale.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.


How is this about a false prophet when it says what he will say will come to pass? Why is this person being ‘raised up’ implying they’ll be elevated either in status? Why does it say ‘I will put words in his mouth and I shall command him? It even states ‘he shall speak in my name?’

Verses 18-9 are not about a false prophet, they are about Jesus.

It clearly says the prophet will come from my brethren. Wouldn’t that be the ishmaelites? If this person was from the Israelites why would the term ‘brethren’ be used? Wouldn’t it simply say from ‘me or us’

The Bible refers to fellow Israelites as the Israelites' brethren.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

However, we are not stupid and ridiculous. You cannot expect someone to try and rob you and then you give them your coat and belongings. Unless of course your life is danger and they have a weapon. You fight and defend yourself. That’s literally what everyone does so I don’t know you’re even referring to turning the other cheek as I don’t see anyone doing that in a threatening situation.

While i disagree that what Jesus preached is stupid and/or ridiculous, thank you for clarifying: what Jesus says in the Bible and what Islam says are different.

I will also say that just because everyone does something does not make it right. The whole point is to not do what the "human nature" response would be. If someone hits us, of course the human nature response would be to retaliate. What Jesus preached was to rise beyond our human nature, to follow His example.

Many Christians have been martyred (and by "martyred" i mean killed for their beliefs while they put up no resistance, not being killed during war or any other circumstances) and the Bible phophesies that more will be in the end times.

This is a concept that is difficult to discuss even with fellow Christians, so it's best to end the subject there.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Why are talking about what Jesus said and quoting Matthew? Do you not see how strange that is? You’re relying on the account of a man to make sense of what Jesus said.

Matthew wrote the book, he was one of Jesus' apostles.

No one is being forced to believe the Bible in this thread.
It does not require believing in it to discuss the differences between the Bible and Islam.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Continuing to compare and contrast the prophets who appear in both the Bible and Islam.

Next up, Noah.

The story of Noah is in Genesis chaptes 5-9
Noah's story is told (among other places) in the Quran chapter 11:25- 11:48

Surah Hud - 1-123 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Hud. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 11 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Hud" in English and consists of 123 ver...

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-Why was Noah preaching / why did God send the flood?

Bible: mankind was wicked and every thought was evil, all flesh and the earth had been corrupted.

Gen 6:5-12
5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
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11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

Islam: to repent from idolatry, specifically worshipping statues or images (71:2-3)

Story of Prophet Nuh (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Nuh (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

For many generations Noah's people had been worshipping statues that they called gods.
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Into this environment Allah sent Noah with His message to his people. Noah was the only intellectual not caught in the whirlpool of man's destruction which was caused by polytheism.

Story of Prophet Nuh (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Nuh (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

Thn Abbas explained: "Following upon the death of those righteous men, Satan inspired their people to erect statues in the places where they used to sit. They did this, but these statues were not worshipped until the coming generations deviated from the right way of life. Then they worshipped them as their idols."
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The essence of this point is that every idol from those earlier mentioned was worshipped by a certain group of people. It was mentioned that people made pictures and as the ages passed they made these pictures into statues, so that their forms could be fully recognized; afterwards they were worshipped instead of Allah.






- How old was Noah when the flood happened, or when he died?

Bible:
Flood happened in Noah's 600th year
Genesis 7
11In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened

He died when he was 950
Genesis 9
28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died


Islam:

Noah preached for 950 yrs before the flood (29:14)

Surah Al-'Ankabut - 1-69 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Al-'Ankabut. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 29 in the Quran. The Surah title means "The Spider" in English and cons...

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Indeed, We sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them for a thousand years, less fifty. Then the Flood overtook them, while they persisted in wrongdoing.

Story of Prophet Nuh (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Nuh (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

Noah continued to call his people to believe in Allah for nine hundred fifty years. Allah the Almighty said: And indeed We sent Noah to his people, and he stayed among them a thousand years less fifty years (inviting them to believe in the Oneness of Allah (Monotheism), and discard the false gods and other deities). Quran Ayah 29:14




Was ark built during Noah's preaching or after?

Bible:
The Bible tells us Noah began work on the ark right away.

Genesis 6
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch

Islam:
Once no one else would believe Noah was told to build the ark (11:36-38)

Surah Hud - 1-123 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Hud. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 11 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Hud" in English and consists of 123 ver...

quran.com

And it was revealed to Noah, “None of your people will believe except those who already have. So do not be distressed by what they have been doing.


Also, Noah prays for the unbelievers' destruction

Story of Prophet Nuh (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Nuh (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

There came a day when Allah revealed to Noah that no others would believe. Allah inspired him not to grieve for them, at which point Noah prayed that the disbelievers be destroyed. He said: 'My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth. If you leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers." Surah 71:27

Allah accepted Noah's prayer. The case was closed, and He passed His judgment on the disbelievers in the form of a flood. Allah the Exalted ordered His worshiper Noah to build an ark with His knowledge and instructions, and with the help of angels. Almighty Allah commanded: "And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration, and address Me not on behalf of those who did wrong; they are surely to be drowned." Quran Ayah 11:37

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

A question before continuing: who is the speaker in the Quran? Is it God?

Why is there a plural first person?

For example, in chapter number 29:14 who is "we"?

Indeed, We sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them for a thousand years, less fifty. Then the Flood overtook them, while they persisted in wrongdoing


Or in chapter 11:37 who is "our"?
And build the Ark under Our ˹watchful˺ Eyes and directions, and do not plead with Me for those who have done wrong, for they will surely be drowned.”

 

[Daze]

1-minute video.

https://x.com/MercifulMessage/status/1723121276611338712?s=20

 

[Haich]

While i disagree that what Jesus preached is stupid and/or ridiculous, thank you for clarifying: what Jesus says in the Bible and what Islam says are different.

I will also say that just because everyone does something does not make it right. The whole point is to not do what the "human nature" response would be. If someone hits us, of course the human nature response would be to retaliate. What Jesus preached was to rise beyond our human nature, to follow His example.

Many Christians have been martyred (and by "martyred" i mean killed for their beliefs while they put up no resistance, not being killed during war or any other circumstances) and the Bible phophesies that more will be in the end times.

This is a concept that is difficult to discuss even with fellow Christians, so it's best to end the subject there.

What Jesus said about turning the other cheek just isn’t conducive to real life where we face danger all the time. Christians in the Bible bet of America are armed and I’m sure they’re ready to defend themselves. I have yet to see a living example of someone who professes to follow Jesus yet turns the other cheek. So what’s the point of him saying these things if people don’t follow?

I’m sorry it is stupid and ridiculous to offer your cloak to someone who steals your coat.

What do you mean Christians have been martyred? I get that it’s a tricky subject but i genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to

 

[Haich]

Matthew wrote the book, he was one of Jesus' apostles.

No one is being forced to believe the Bible in this thread.
It does not require believing in it to discuss the differences between the Bible and Islam.

I made that comment because you were talking about Jesus and quoted Matthew. You’re relying on the writings of men instead of what Jesus said from his mouth.

 

[Haich]

A question before continuing: who is the speaker in the Quran? Is it God?

Why is there a plural first person?

For example, in chapter number 29:14 who is "we"?

Indeed, We sent Noah to his people, and he remained among them for a thousand years, less fifty. Then the Flood overtook them, while they persisted in wrongdoing


Or in chapter 11:37 who is "our"?
And build the Ark under Our ˹watchful˺ Eyes and directions, and do not plead with Me for those who have done wrong, for they will surely be drowned.”

I’m pretty sure I’ve stated multiple times that God is the sole speaker in the Quran. There is no one else, unless God is quoting what people have said. He is the sole narrator.

I genuinely don’t mean this in a patronising or rude way but you’re asking some really random basic questions. You seem to have a lot of questions so why don’t you just read The Quran yourself?

I’m sure English is your first language Toxic. Have you not heard of people of upper class or aristocracy referring to themselves as ‘we’? The late Queen Elizabeth II was once quoted as saying ‘we are not amused’. It’s called a ‘royal’ or majestic plural. In fact, Elohim is considered a plural reference to God to emphasise his grandeur.

Arabic is a gendered language so many times you’ll find God being referred to as He as well. It depends on the context and what’s been referenced. For instance, If it’s an emphasis on His attributes or power/mercy etc he might use We to highlight his capabilities.

 

[Haich]

@ToxicFemininitySucks
Why are you interested in the details of the prophet stories? We’ve gone through a few and it’s clear that the accounts of the Bible are different to the Quran. What else were you hoping to discover? Why not just cut to the chase and examine the different accounts of Jesus? That would seem more befitting as you’ve stated that you don’t regard the prophets highly as you only care about Jesus.

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

Why are talking about what Jesus said and quoting Matthew? Do you not see how strange that is? You’re relying on the account of a man to make sense of what Jesus said.

I don’t know what Mathew is talking about. If someone steals your coat why on Earth would you give them your cloak also? This isn’t a buy one get one free sale.

First things first:

2 Timothy 3:17-18
Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work.
θεόπνευστος

And as @ToxicFemininitySucks pointed out, there is a principle behind this verse; not an advisory to open your home and put your family at the mercy of literal bandits. It ties back to prophecy in the OT, as well.
Isaiah 50:6-7

And Lot was a good man, but he was not a prophet.

 

[Flarepath]

...does the Quran teach to turn the other cheek..?..

Not a chance..
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[Zakat]

God Counts every creature's every movement which is one reason why He Remains Greater at every point of the sun's rising.

Wonder why Muslims the whole world over exalt God's Greatness continuously through saying Allahu Akbar (God Is Greater than one and all) five times a day from before sunrise to after sunset since like always?

God Remains The Greatest no matter how many Jesuses come and go with their countless wonderful miracles. The miracles are witnessable at each and every second, reason why Muslims can extol His Greatness anywhere anytime.



This planet is big. All the Prophets preached loving ONE UNIMAGINABLE MAKER more than anything else so that we may be worthy of His Good Pleasure and gain nearness to Him, THE ONLY REASON for anybody's existence, until death finally concludes our successful passing of this examination called life.

The TRUTH is very simple to understand, grasp, and follow. Peace to everybody.

 

[Daze]

Not a chance..
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I am genuinely interested in where you get these images Tidal? We both know you're not editing them yourself.

Mind sharing the source?

I know the legacy Quran website, I reference it a lot myself.
Notice how there are no red lines there.






Far as fighting those who fight you… You are correct, Islam is not a pacifist religion. Much like the God of the Old Testament isn't either.

This is most likely why the majority of your priests in England say gay people should be allowed to get married.




Because to turn the other cheek and ignore what God has called an abomination, is truly following in the path of Jesus, right?

Because bending the knee is taught to Christians it seems.


I see a lot of Christians bowing before Israel on social media and when I show them facts like being spit on in Israel or 136 babies being murdered per day, they are indifferent to it.

Taught to take abuse. Do you honestly think today's youth could ever be interested in such a path? Go back 60, 70 years. Would you be?

Here's the reality in the US.



Keep defending "turning the cheek". It's abundantly clear what it leads to.

 

[Haich]

First things first:

2 Timothy 3:17-18
Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, having been fully equipped toward every good work.
θεόπνευστος

And as @ToxicFemininitySucks pointed out, there is a principle behind this verse; not an advisory to open your home and put your family at the mercy of literal bandits. It ties back to prophecy in the OT, as well.
Isaiah 50:6-7

And Lot was a good man, but he was not a prophet.

So God breathed the words into Matthew? You’re going to have to break that down for me sorry.

If it’s advisory, are you saying then it is ok to defend yourself and NOT turn the other cheek?

Do all Christians disregard Lot as a prophet? What purpose did he serve then, why was he trying to rectify the wrongs of the people of Sodom? Wasn’t that out of his remit?

 

[Flarepath]

I am genuinely interested in where you get these images Tidal? We both know you're not editing them yourself.
Mind sharing the source?
I know the legacy Quran website, I reference it a lot myself.
Notice how there are no red lines there.

By adding red underlining I'm drawing people's attention to the bits that matter, to save them time of having to read through the whole caboodle, I often do it when quoting bible verses too..

 

[Daze]

@Flarepath

What do you think this one means, Tidal? A just cause?



I know some death penalties in sharia are for murderers, people who have killed themselves and pedophiles. If you r*pe a kid in Muslim lands, it's time to meet your maker.

What is a "just cause" to you?

We won't bother to reference the Bible yet because apparently, even killing your own wife is ok.

 

[Daze]

By adding red underlining I'm drawing people's attention to the bits that matter, to save them time of having to read through the whole caboodle, I often do it when quoting bible verses too..

Tidal, we both know you don't read the Quran, and I can see the files are named "Koran". This gives me an idea of the source because only a certain demographic spell it with a K.





Honestly, what is it with Christians and lying? Comes natural to them like a duck takes to water.

Don't you know bearing false witness is a violation of the 10 commandments?