Differences between the Bible and Islam

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Jonah

Last part about Jonah before moving on.


According to the Bible, when the people of nineveh repented, Jonah was upset an the Lord's mercy.
In fact, he asked God to kill him.

Jonah 4
1But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. 2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. 3Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live



A possible reason for this was that the assyrians were enemies of the Israelites, so it could be that Jonah wanted to see them destroyed. Both to save his own people and to satisfy his own sense of justice.

The story of Jonah is an example of God extending his mercy to the gentiles. It is also an example of the gentiles repenting at the words of one of God's prophets more readily than the Israelites. Jesus mentions this is the New Testament when he says:

Matthew 12

38Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

I'll post the entire article. It mentions how the "angel of the Lord" stopped appearing once Jesus Christ was born.

Who is the angel of the Lord? | GotQuestions.org

Who is the angel of the Lord? Was the angel of the Lord a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ?

www.gotquestions.org

The precise identity of the “angel of the Lord” is not given in the Bible. However, there are many important “clues” to his identity. There are Old and New Testament references to “angels of the Lord,” “an angel of the Lord,” and “the angel of the Lord.” It seems when the definite article “the” is used, it is specifying a unique being, separate from the other angels. The angel of the Lord speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and exercises the responsibilities of God (Genesis 16:7-12; 21:17-18; 22:11-18; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; 5:23; 6:11-24; 13:3-22; 2 Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; 3:1; 12:8). In several of these appearances, those who saw the angel of the Lord feared for their lives because they had “seen the Lord.” Therefore, it is clear that in at least some instances, the angel of the Lord is a theophany, an appearance of God in physical form.

The appearances of the angel of the Lord cease after the incarnation of Christ. Angels are mentioned numerous times in the New Testament, but “the angel of the Lord” is never mentioned in the New Testament after the birth of Christ. One possible difficulty is that the angel who appears to Joseph in a dream in Matthew 1:24 is called "the" angel of the Lord. However, this angel is clearly the same one appearing in verse 20, which calls him "an angel." Matthew is simply referencing the same angel he had just mentioned. There is also some confusion regarding Matthew 28:2, where the KJV says “the angel of the Lord” descended from heaven and rolled the stone away from Jesus’ tomb. It is important to note that the original Greek has no article in front of angel; it could be “the angel” or “an angel,” but the article must be supplied by the translators. Other translations besides the KJV say it was “an angel,” which is the better wording.

It is possible that appearances of the angel of the Lord were manifestations of Jesus before His incarnation. Jesus declared Himself to be existent “before Abraham” (John 8:58), so it is logical that He would be active and manifest in the world. Whatever the case, whether the angel of the Lord was a pre-incarnate appearance of Christ (Christophany) or an appearance of God the Father (theophany), it is highly likely that the phrase “the angel of the Lord” usually identifies a physical appearance of God.

In the verses i posted (Genesis 18:1-8) it talks about how the Lord appeared to him.

The Hebrew in vs 18:1 for "Lord" is "Yahweh", so it is unmistakably referring to God, not an angel or anything else.

While researching the differences between the Bible and Islam in regards to the next prophet i was going to discuss, Noah, I found the Quran verses that would correspond to the story in the Bible in Genesis 18 that i previously posted. So i'm taking a short detour here.

Here's all of Genesis 18, which then continues onto the story of Lot in Genesis 19

1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.



9And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. 10And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him. 11Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. 12Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also? 13And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old? 14Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. 15Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.



16And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. 17And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; 18Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? 19For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. 20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. 23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. 27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: 28Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. 29And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. 30And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. 31And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. 32And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. 33And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.


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1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground

In the Bible, 2 angels plus the Lord visit Abraham, informing him that he will have a son with Sarah, who laughs. They share a meal with him. They also inform him about the upcoming destruction of sodom and gomorrah, and Abraham pleads for the city to be spared if there are any righteous left. Afterwards, the Lord leaves and the 2 angels continue on to destroy sodom and gomorrah.



Here's the story from the Quran
11:69-83

Surah Hud - 1-123 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Hud. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 11 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Hud" in English and consists of 123 ver...

quran.com

And surely Our messenger-angels came to Abraham with good news ˹of a son˺. They greeted ˹him with˺, “Peace!” And he replied, “Peace ˹be upon you˺!” Then it was not long before he brought ˹them˺ a ˹fat,˺ roasted calf.

And when he saw that their hands did not reach for the food, he became suspicious and fearful of them.1 They reassured ˹him˺, “Do not be afraid! We are ˹angels˺ sent ˹only˺ against the people of Lot.”

And his wife was standing by, so she laughed,1 then We gave her good news of ˹the birth of˺ Isaac, and, after him, Jacob.
She wondered, “Oh, my! How can I have a child in this old age, and my husband here is an old man? This is truly an astonishing thing!”

They responded, “Are you astonished by Allah’s decree? May Allah’s mercy and blessings be upon you, O people of this house. Indeed, He is Praiseworthy, All-Glorious.”

Then after the fear had left Abraham, and the good news had reached him, he began to plead with Us for the people of Lot.

Truly, Abraham was forbearing, tender-hearted, and ever turning ˹to his Lord˺.

˹The angels said,˺ “O Abraham! Plead no more! Your Lord’s decree has already come, and they will certainly be afflicted with a punishment that cannot be averted!”

When Our messenger-angels came to Lot, he was distressed and worried by their arrival.1 He said, “This is a terrible day.”

And ˹the men of˺ his people—who were used to shameful deeds—came to him rushing. He pleaded, “O my people! Here are my daughters1 ˹for marriage˺—they are pure for you. So fear Allah, and do not humiliate me by disrespecting my guests. Is there not ˹even˺ a single right-minded man among you?”


They argued, “You certainly know that we have no need for your daughters. You already know what we desire!”

He responded, “If only I had the strength ˹to resist you˺ or could rely on a strong supporter.”

The angels said, “O Lot! We are the messengers of your Lord. They will never reach you. So travel with your family in the dark of night, and do not let any of you look back, except your wife. She will certainly suffer the fate of the others.1 Their appointed time is the morning. Is the morning not near?”

When Our command came, We turned the cities upside down and rained down on them clustered stones of baked clay,

marked by your Lord ˹O Prophet˺. And these stones are not far from the ˹pagan˺ wrongdoers!

In the Quran account, two angels visit Abraham before going on to destroy sodom. They do not eat. They also tell Abraham that it has already been decided who will be punished. Once in sodom, the angels tell Lot his wife will die/be allowed to look back.

 

[Haich]

So I guess we’re going through just the prophets for now.

I came across some verses while reading Chapter 5 of The Quran. It’s called Surah Al Mai’dah (The Table/The Table with Food).

I am still new to this chapter so I can’t answer all questions about every verse but I will try my best. I thought I’d post some things mentioned in this chapter since Jews/Christians are referenced a lot in this chapter. I thought it might be of interest as it is distinctly different to what the Bible contains.

These are screenshots from my personal copy of The Quran with an English translation. I’ll post the English only for obvious reasons.

okay it only allowed me to upload one image.

 

[Haich]

With regards to the prophets, I think sharing scripture on what each of us believe about their stories is a bit fruitless. After seeing Lot and David, it’s clear there’s a theme in The Bible which is distinctly different from The Quran with reference to this matter. Plus, Toxic has stated Christians tend to disregard the importance before anything or anyone before Jesus. So I’ll put the subject of Prophets to bed.

For me what would be interesting is to maybe explore the attributes of God in The Bible and The Quran so we can get a clearer idea of how Christians make sense of the trinity but also the alleged divinity of Jesus.

 

[Haich]

Just a note, Allah is used to refer to the one true God. It isn’t exclusive to Muslims, Christian Arabs also refer to Him as Allah.

 

[Daze]

Just a note, Allah is used to refer to the one true God. It isn’t exclusive to Muslims, Christian Arabs also refer to Him as Allah.

I have highlighted this many times here.

This is Allah's name next to a cross. This isn't a Muslim.

 

[Maldarker]

While researching the differences between the Bible and Islam in regards to the next prophet i was going to discuss, Noah, I found the Quran verses that would correspond to the story in the Bible in Genesis 18 that i previously posted. So i'm taking a short detour here.

Here's all of Genesis 18, which then continues onto the story of Lot in Genesis 19



In the Bible, 2 angels plus the Lord visit Abraham, informing him that he will have a son with Sarah, who laughs. They share a meal with him. They also inform him about the upcoming destruction of sodom and gomorrah, and Abraham pleads for the city to be spared if there are any righteous left. Afterwards, the Lord leaves and the 2 angels continue on to destroy sodom and gomorrah.



Here's the story from the Quran
11:69-83

Surah Hud - 1-123 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Hud. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 11 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Hud" in English and consists of 123 ver...

quran.com

In the Quran account, two angels visit Abraham before going on to destroy sodom. They do not eat. They also tell Abraham that it has already been decided who will be punished. Once in sodom, the angels tell Lot his wife will die/be allowed to look back.

So difference would be that the Pentateuch was written when - when was the quran? So where do we get a different account of that conversation? thought the quran was to confirm the torah & bible but yet its a different account of that scripture? Oh that's right since its not exact the torah was corrupted & quran is right....So which is it? the Torah account or the quran account ones false ones not.

 

[Haich]

The Quran doesn’t confirm the work of anonymous, supposedly enlightened men who wrote what you call the Bible today. It confirms the book revealed to Jesus directly and the book revealed to Moses directly which we don’t have in their entirety today. The Quran rectifies and clarifies the editions and corruptions of men. That was the whole point of going through the prophets in both books as the stories were very different.

I’m not sure how many times I have to post this, I’m sure I’ve posted this multiple times.

 

[Flarepath]

The Quran doesn’t confirm the work of anonymous, supposedly enlightened men who wrote what you call the Bible today. It confirms the book revealed to Jesus directly and the book revealed to Moses directly which we don’t have in their entirety today. The Quran rectifies and clarifies the editions and corruptions of men. That was the whole point of going through the prophets in both books as the stories were very different.
I’m not sure how many times I have to post this, I’m sure I’ve posted this multiple times.

Perhaps that's because we're not sure what you're getting at mate.
Fact is, the prophets foretold the coming of Jesus, but none foretold the coming of Mohammed..-

 

[Haich]

Perhaps that's because we're not sure what you're getting at mate.
Fact is, the prophets foretold the coming of Jesus, but none foretold the coming of Mohammed..-

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In Deuteronomy 18:17-19, Moses(as)prophesied:

“And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

How would you interpret this?

 

[Haich]

@Flarepath
Or these verses?

“And he said, the Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand saints; from right hand went a fiery law for them.” (Deuteronomy 33:2)

“The burden upon Arabia. In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye travelling companions of Dedanim. The inhabitants of the Land of Tema brought water to him that was thirsty, they prevented with their bread him they fled. For they fled from the swords, from the drawn swords and from the bent bow, from the grievousness of war. For thus hath the Lord said unto me, within a year, according to the years of a hireling, and all the glory of Kedar shall fail; And the residue of number of archers, the mighty men of the children of Kedar, shall diminished: for the Lord God of Israel hath spoken it.” (Isaiah 21:13-17)

 

[Flarepath]

In Deuteronomy 18:17-19, Moses(as)prophesied:
And the Lord said unto me. They have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”

How would you interpret this?

How do we know that verse refers to Mohammed?
Also, as for God "putting words into his mouth", why are the words that came out of Jesus's mouth very different to most of the words that Mohammed said 600 years later?

 

[Haich]

How do we know that verse refers to Mohammed?
Also, as for God "putting words into his mouth", why are the words that came out of Jesus's mouth very different to most of the words that Mohammed said 600 years later?

I’m asking you as a Christian, how do you interpret it?

The only difference between Jesus pbuh and Muhammad pbuh is The Quran became the new law for mankind. They both preached monotheism. From what I’ve read that Jesus said directly, I don’t see anything he said that contradicts what Muhammad said.

 

[Haich]

Also, as for God "putting words into his mouth

Id argue this actually describes the oral revelation Muhammad received from Angel Gabriel.

 

[Maldarker]

Id argue this actually describes the oral revelation Muhammad received from Angel Gabriel.

A seducing spirit that JESUS warned against. HE was the final authority don't need another. If i was satan thats what i would do find a guy whos not literate and make it look like its the final final revelation of GOD can't write it down but is given oral that way no one can question it. Sounds like mormons at least joseph smith could read.

 

[Haich]

A seducing spirit that JESUS warned against. HE was the final authority don't need another. If i was satan thats what i would do find a guy whos not literate and make it look like its the final final revelation of GOD can't write it down but is given oral that way no one can question it. Sounds like mormons at least joseph smith could read.

You’ve already asked me about how I know it wasn’t Satan who spoke to Mohammed and I’ve already answered this question and took the time to put in references. You didn’t respond. Yet here you are making the same claim.

Jesus warned against what exactly? The verses I posted sound positive.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

How do we know that verse refers to Mohammed?

Deuteronomy 18:15-19 is about Jesus. It specifies the coming prophet will be from among their brethren - an Israelite.

15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. 17And the LORD said unto me*, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. 18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

* "me" is referring to Moses


The rest of the passage is about a false prophet, and tells us how to identify a false prophet. Jesus' prophesies have come true (so far), so he is not the false prophet being referred to.

20But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? 22When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

why are the words that came out of Jesus's mouth very different to most of the words that Mohammed said 600 years later?

This is a good question.
Jesus directly said to turn the other cheek.

Matthew 5
38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also


I haven't read that part of the Quran yet, but a Muslim individual told me that is not what the Quran teaches. That Islam teaches eye for an eye, still.

Perhaps a Muslim person could clarify this: does the Quran teach to turn the other cheek, or eye for an eye?

I found this article

Turning the Other Cheek - Between Jesus and Muhammad | About Islam

The perception of Jesus (peace be upon him) as a passive individual who would have never encouraged violence in inaccurate even according to Christian...

aboutislam.net

It claims Islam teaches similar to Christianity. However...

Certainly, if a robber breaks into one’s home it would be unreasonable and illogical to encourage them to steal more.

That is not what Jesus said

Matthew 5
40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

 

[Haich]

18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.


How is this about a false prophet when it says what he will say will come to pass? Why is this person being ‘raised up’ implying they’ll be elevated either in status? Why does it say ‘I will put words in his mouth and I shall command him? It even states ‘he shall speak in my name?’

 

[Haich]

It clearly says the prophet will come from my brethren. Wouldn’t that be the ishmaelites? If this person was from the Israelites why would the term ‘brethren’ be used? Wouldn’t it simply say from ‘me or us’