Differences between the Bible and Islam

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

The satanic verses is a book written by Salman Rushdie.
This guy.

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Very fitting he has 1 eye symbolism. Don't you think?

The satanic verses is a book of lies with the intent to demonize Islam and Muslims.

Look up the book on social media and see it is pushed by Zionists and Hindus. This should be your first clue.

The fact that the Quran repeatedly denounces satan and elevates Jesus should be your second clue to the intent of the "satanic verses"

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I brought up the KKK because they are a hate group.

Why are you sourcing a book written by a hateful man being pushed by hateful people?

You know im not referring to the book which wiki has listed as a separate article.

Im referring to the actual verses the other poster referenced in the 3 in one god thread: 53:19-20.
Are these verses found in the Quran or not?

 

[Flarepath]

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Very interesting Tidal, how your goldfish attention span doesn't even cover 24 seconds.

If the bloke who slapped that woman is a christian, I'm Mickey Mouse..
Speaking of Mickey, what the hell's he done to upset muslims?-

 

[Daze]

Why can't any of you answer a direct question? Where does it tell us in the Quran that Muhammad was allegedly illiterate, or that a prophet is allegedly sinless, etc.?

Personally, when I see you leave verses in the Quran thread and bash Islam at the same time. You have no credibility to begin with.

Why should I bother reading your spiel, let along engage with you? You've made so many erroneous claims, my time is better spent watching paint dry.

 

[Daze]

If the bloke who slapped that woman is a christian, I'm Mickey Mouse..
Speaking of Mickey, what the hell's he done to upset muslims?-

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Guy literally says he's Christian. But I guess the word of a Christian isn't good enough for you.

Would you like me to link about 10 videos here of domestic violence in Christian homes? You forget I'm American, surrounded by Christians.

 

[Daze]

Im referring to the actual verses the other poster referenced in the 3 in one god thread: 53:19-20.
Are these verses found in the Quran or not?

Haich already answered this, did she not?

or are you just reading Phips books?



The Quran came to pagans. What do you expect it to say?

It's really clear to me, you're just looking for things to attack. If you want to know what the Quran says, go read it.

 

[Flarepath]

Guy literally says he's Christian. But I guess the word of a Christian isn't good enough for you.
Would you like me to link about 10 videos here of domestic violence in Christian homes? You forget I'm American, surrounded by Christians.

Just because somebody says they're a Christian doesn't mean they ARE..
For example look at this couple of useless tosspots-




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Many phoney christians, nonchristians, cultists and atheists like to think they'll find the Stargate that leads "up there" but they haven't a friggin chance-
Jesus said - "Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it, but small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matt 7:13)

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Haich already answered this, did she not?

or are you just reading Phips books?

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The Quran came to pagans. What do you expect it to say?

It's really clear to me, you're just looking for things to attack. If you want to know what the Quran says, go read it.

In the other thread?

And yeah, i read phipps posts, and?

What do you mean the Quran came to pagans? You said it came to Mohammed and implied he wasn't a pagan even before he received the Quran...

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Were these goddesses worshipped by Mohammed and his people before he received the Quran
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Pagans worshiped them. Like every prophet before him (saw), he came to denounce paganism. Those were 3 false gods amongst the pagans at the time, amongst others

Here is the whole number 53, unless your going to object to this site too

Quran in English - Clear and Easy to Read.

Quran Translated to Modern English. Clear, Pure, Easy to Understand.

m.clearquran.com

In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.

1. By the star as it goes down.

2. Your friend has not gone astray, nor has he erred.

3. Nor does he speak out of desire.

4. It is but a revelation revealed.

5. Taught to him by the Extremely Powerful.

6. The one of vigor. He settled.

7. While he was at the highest horizon.

8. Then he came near, and hovered around.

9. He was within two bows’ length, or closer.

10. Then He revealed to His servant what He revealed.

11. The heart did not lie about what it saw.

12. Will you dispute with him concerning what he saw?

13. He saw him on another descent.

14. At the Lotus Tree of the Extremity.

15. Near which is the Garden of Repose.

16. As there covered the Lotus Tree what covered it.

17. The sight did not waver, nor did it exceed.

18. He saw some of the Great Signs of his Lord.

19. Have you considered al-Lat and al-Uzza?

20. And Manat, the third one, the other?

21. Are you to have the males, and He the females?

22. What a bizarre distribution.

23. These are nothing but names, which you have devised, you and your ancestors, for which God sent down no authority. They follow nothing but assumptions, and what the ego desires, even though guidance has come to them from their Lord.

24. Or is the human being to have whatever he desires?

25. To God belong the Last and the First.

26. How many an angel is there in the heavens whose intercession avails nothing, except after God gives permission to whomever He wills, and approves?

27. Those who do not believe in the Hereafter give the angels the names of females.

28. They have no knowledge of that. They only follow assumptions, and assumptions are no substitute for the truth.

29. So avoid him who has turned away from Our remembrance, and desires nothing but the present life.

30. That is the extent of their knowledge. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who has accepted guidance.

31. To God belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. He will repay those who do evil according to their deeds, and recompense those who do good with the best.

32. Those who avoid gross sins and indecencies—except for minor lapses—your Lord is of Vast Forgiveness. He knows you well, ever since He created you from the earth, and ever since you were embryos in your mothers’ wombs. So do not acclaim your own virtue; He is fully aware of the righteous.

33. Have you considered him who turned away?

34. And gave a little, and held back?

35. Does he possess knowledge of the unseen, and can therefore foresee?

36. Or was he not informed of what is in the Scrolls of Moses?

37. And of Abraham, who fulfilled?

38. That no soul bears the burdens of another soul.

39. And that the human being attains only what he strives for.

40. And that his efforts will be witnessed.

41. Then he will be rewarded for it the fullest reward.

42. And that to your Lord is the finality.

43. And that it is He who causes laughter and weeping.

44. And that it is He who gives death and life.

45. And that it is He who created the two kinds—the male and the female.

46. From a sperm drop, when emitted.

47. And that upon Him is the next existence.

48. And that it is He who enriches and impoverishes.

49. And that it is He who is the Lord of Sirius.

50. And that it is He who destroyed the first Aad.

51. And Thamood, sparing no one.

52. And the people of Noah before that; for they were most unjust and most oppressive.

53. And He toppled the ruined cities.

54. And covered them with whatever covered them.

55. So which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?

56. This is a warning, just like the first warnings.

57. The inevitable is imminent.

58. None besides God can unveil it.

59. Do you marvel at this discourse?

60. And laugh, and do not weep?

61. Lost in your frivolity?

62. So bow down to God, and worship!

Would have been a lot faster to just say the verses are there...

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Ok, moving on from all the and threadjacking back to the topic... DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE BIBLE AND ISLAM.

Not attacking people's beliefs or invalidating scripture.

If a source is not good enough, provide an alternative.



Since he's been brought up a few times, Jonah



- The Bible says the ninevites repented without any pushback once Jonah went to nineveh

Jonah 3: 4-10

4And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. 6For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. 7And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: 8But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands



Islam says they resisted and didnt repent until after Jonah had left.

Story of Prophet Yunus (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Yunus (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

The inhabitants of the town of Nineveh were idolators who lived a shameless life. Prophet Jonah was sent to teach them the worship of Allah. The people disliked his interference in their way of worship, so they argued: "We and our forefathers have worshipped these gods for many years and no harm has come to us."

Story of Prophet Yunus (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Yunus (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

Hardly had he left the city when the skies began to change color and looked as if they were on fire. The people were filled with fear by this sight. They recalled the destruction of the people of 'Ad, Thamud and Noah. Was theirs to be a similar fate? Slowly faith penetrated their hearts. They all gathered on the mountain and started to beseech Allah for His mercy and forgiveness. The mountains echoed with their cries. It was a momentous hour, filled with sincere repentance.

Allah removed His wrath and showered His blessings upon them once again. When the threatening storm was lifted, they prayed for the return of Jonah so that he could guide them.








- The Bible says that Jonah was on the ship because he was trying to avoid going to the ninevites. But some good came out of it as the men on the ship who had been pagans (vs 5) were converted (vs14-16).

Jonah 1
5Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
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14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee. 15So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. 16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows


Islam says Jonah boarded the ship after going to the ninevites. See earlier quote about the ninevites wanting Jonah to return.

Story of Prophet Yunus (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Yunus (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

Meanwhile, Jonah had boarded a small ship in the company of other passengers. It sailed all day in calm waters with a good wind blowing at the sails. When night came, the sea suddenly changed. A horrible storm blew as if it were going to split the ship into pieces. The waves looked wild. They rose up as high as mountains then plunged down like valleys, tossing the ship and sweeping over the deck.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

- The Bible says the men on the ship cast lots to find out who the Lord was angry at (vs 7) and Jonah volunteered to be cast overboard (vs12) and the men first tried rowing harder (vs13) before ultimately throwing him overboard (vs15)

Jonah 1
7And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah
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12And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you. 13Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them. 14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee. 15So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. 16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows


Islam says the men cast lots to decide who to throw overboard

Story of Prophet Yunus (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Yunus (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

The captain directed: "We will make lots with all the travelers' names. The one whose name is drawn will be thrown into the sea." Jonah knew this was one of the seamen's traditions when facing a tempest. It was a strange polytheistic tradition, but it was practiced at that time. Jonah's affliction and crisis began.

Here was the prophet, subjected to polytheistic rules that considered the sea and the wind to have gods that riot. The captain had to please these gods. Jonah reluctantly participated in the lot, and his name was added to the other travelers' names. The lot was drawn and "Jonah" appeared.

Since they knew him to be the most honorable among them, they did not wish to throw him into the angry sea. Therefore, they decided to draw a second lot. Again Jonah's name was drawn. They gave him a final chance and drew a third lot. Unfortunately for Jonah, his name came up again.

Jonah realized that Allah's hand was in all this, for he had abandoned his mission without Allah's consent.





- The Bible says Jonah was an Israelite, possibly from the tribe of Zebulon (due to gathhepher being in Zebulun's land)

Jonah 1:1
1Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying

Crossreferenced with
2 Kings 14:25
25He restored the coast of Israel from the entering of Hamath unto the sea of the plain, according to the word of the LORD God of Israel, which he spake by the hand of his servant Jonah, the son of Amittai, the prophet, which was of Gathhepher

crossreferenced with
Joshua 19:13
10And the third lot came up for the children of Zebulun according to their families: and the border of their inheritance was unto Sarid
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13And from thence passeth on along on the east to Gittahhepher, to Ittahkazin, and goeth out to Remmonmethoar to Neah


Islam says Jonah was from Nineveh originally

Story of Prophet Yunus (AS) | Alim.org

Stories of Prophet Yunus (AS) in Islamic history

www.alim.org

Gradually he regained his strength and found his way to his hometown, Nineveh. He was pleasantly surprised to notice the change that had taken place there. The entire population turned out to welcome him. They informed him that they had turned to believe in Allah. Together they led a prayer of thanksgiving to their Merciful Lord.

 

[Flarepath]

Ok, moving on from all the and threadjacking back to the topic... DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE BIBLE AND ISLAM..

The Bible says Jesus is the Son of God, but the Koran says he's not, that's the only difference that matters, and identifies the Koran as "satan's soapbox", and everything else in it is just padding and smokescreening..

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

The Bible says Jesus is the Son of God, but the Koran says he's not, that's the only difference that matters

Yes.

But when anyone claims that we have the same prophets and the only difference is that the Bible says Jesus is the son of God, it's worth discussing the differences.

 

[A Freeman]

Personally, when I see you leave verses in the Quran thread and bash Islam at the same time. You have no credibility to begin with.

Why should I bother reading your spiel, let along engage with you? You've made so many erroneous claims, my time is better spent watching paint dry.

If someone truly believes that the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran are the inspired Word of God (and three parts of the same Book from God), then they should be able to cite from them the answers to all of life's questions.

The organized religion that calls itself "Islam" has absolutely nothing to do with the Quran, other than to use and abuse God's name in their hadith-driven traditions and religious superstitions, which contradict the Quran. That's what all organized religions do: they use and abuse God's name to defend their individual sects, which are condemned as satanic in all three parts of God's Book.

That is why neither you, nor Haich, nor any other so-called Muslim answer the simple, straightforward questions asked of you; instead resorting to false claims, personal opinions and illogical personal attacks, isn't it?

The reason for asking these honest questions is to get people to think about whether their beliefs actually come from God or from the made up doctrines and commandments of men. And, in doing so, help them to see their own error (according to God) IF they genuinely seek the Truth.

Peace be upon you.

 

[Haich]

But isnt that what some people do by constantly attacking the Bible?

No I’m not talking about general attacking or criticism, I’m specifically talking about the acting of preaching in the hope of gaining more people to your cause.

if Muslims go out and do dawah (spread Islam through inviting people) we only talk about our religion and what it’s about unless of course someone starts a discussion about another faith. Organic conversations do occur.

It seems that many Christians who go out and preach, constantly attack the Quran and Islam or Muhammad pbuh. It’s just embarrassing that they feel the need to tear down and other faith to gain followers.

 

[Haich]

According to whom please? Where does it tell us that in the Quran that it was revealed orally?


And where does it tell us in the Quran that Muhammad was "illiterate" please?

If we turn to Sura 7:157-158, it is very clearly describing Christ-Jesus, The Messenger of God.

Sura 7:157-158
7:157. Those who follow The Apostle, the unlettered Prophet (John 7:15), whom they find mentioned in their own (Scriptures - the Bible),- in The Law (The Torah) and The Gospel (New Testament - Covenant);- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); he releases them from their heavy burdens (Matthew 23:1-4) and from the yokes (Matt.11:28-30) that are upon them. So it is those who believe him, honour him, help him, and follow the Light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper (John 8:3)."
7:158. Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of "I AM", to Whom belongeth the Dominion of the heavens and the Earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in "I AM" and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet (John 7:15-19), who believeth "I AM" and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided (by "The Way" - John 14:6)."

John 7:14-17
7:14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into The Temple, and taught.
7:15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man "Letters", having never been taught?
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, BUT HIS THAT SENT ME.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

Compare with:

Sura 4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger/Angel of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 - 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-



Of course God is THE Source of All Truth, which is why we should be turning to HIS Book (Scripture) in its entirety, i.e. the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran, instead of turning to totally fabricated man-made books like the talmud and hadith.

Once this truth is accepted, it will free those in bondage to the traditions of men, who confuse those traditions with The Word of God.


2 Peter 1:21 For the Prophecy came NOT in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke [as they were] moved by the Holy Spirit.


As above please. The beauty of Scripture is that no human can ever counterfeit it, nor add to it or subtract from it, because it has so much built in redundancy that any such efforts to tamper with it stick out like a sore thumb.

ALL Scripture, when properly written, translated and understood, will ALWAYS be in perfect agreement with itself.

Sura 39:23. "I AM" has revealed (from time to time) the most beautiful Message in the form of a Book, CONSISTENT WITH ITSELF, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of "I AM"'s praises (Prov. 1:7; 9:10). Such is the Guidance from "I AM": He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as "I AM" leaves to stray, can have none to guide.


Ripped to shreds by whom? By the so-called scholars and experts that the Bible refers to as the spiritually blind leading the blind (Matt. 15:14)? Please.


As above please.


According to whom? Where does it tell us this in the Quran?


Again, according to whom? Where does it tell us this in the Quran?

IF you will be honest with yourself (i.e. answer the questions above that have been asked of you), you will find that most of the beliefs espoused by the organized religion that calls itself "Islam" are found nowhere in the Quran.

The Quran condemns the hadith, and tells everyone to read and study the Bible. Why not do as the Quran says instead of turning to made-up stories (like those in the self-contradictory hadith)?

You are asking such basic questions I really cannot be bothered to copy and paste verses which back up my point because you’re not interested in learning, you just want to prod and attack. I’ve already caught you out lying so use the internet and do someone actual research on the Quran if you’re so interested.

 

[Haich]

An apostle is a messenger.

The only deceit is pretending otherwise.

Gosh the lies keep coming! How embarrassing to call yourself a follower of Jesus pbuh.

 

[Haich]

@Haich


You are so wrong and sadly you don't even know it.


You don't need an analytical mind to understand God. You need to open your mind to be receptive to Him and His truth then the Holy Spirit will lead you to more truths of God. The Bible says

You're right, God is not the author of confusion and I can tell you the Bible is not confusing except to those who do not understand it and what's more don't want to because of their beliefs that contradict His Word.


We know the Bible and its 40+ authors were inspired by God because it harmonises even though it was written over a period of 1500 years.

Bible predictions of future events that have come to pass dramatically confirm the divine inspiration of Scripture by different prophets. These are just a few examples of fulfilled Bible prophecies:

- Four world empires would arise: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome
(Daniel chapters 2, 7, 8).

- Cyrus to be the warrior to capture Babylon (Isaiah 45:1-3).

- After Babylon's destruction, it would never be inhabited again (Isaiah 13:19, 20; Jeremiah 51:37).

- Egypt would never again have a commanding position among the nations (Ezekiel 29:14, 15 30:12, 13).

- Earth-shaking calamities and fear toward the end of time (Luke 21:25, 26).

- Moral degeneracy and decline of spirituality in the last days (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

Biblical historical statements are accurate.

The Bible says, “I, the Lord, speak righteousness, I declare things that are right” (Isaiah 45:19).

Sometimes evidence might not yet be available to prove certain historical claims found in Scripture, but evidence has repeatedly surfaced proving the validity of the Bible. Note the following:

- For years skeptics said the Bible was unreliable because it mentions the Hittite nation (Deuteronomy 7:1) and cities like Nineveh (Jonah 1:1, 2) and Sodom (Genesis 19:1), all of which they denied ever existed. But now modern archaeology has confirmed that all three did exist.

- Critics also said that the kings Belshazzar (Daniel 5:1) and Sargon (Isaiah 20:1) never existed. Again, their existence has since been confirmed.

- Skeptics said the Bible record of Moses was not reliable because it mentions writing (Exodus 24:4) and wheeled vehicles (Exodus 14:25), which they said didn’t exist in his time. Today we know they did.

- At one time, the 39 kings of ancient Israel and Judah were known only from the Bible record; thus, critics doubted their existence. But when archaeologists found independent ancient records that mention many of these kings, the Bible record was proved accurate once again.

Critics of the Bible have been proven wrong repeatedly as new discoveries have confirmed biblical people, places, and events.

What other facts about the Bible prove its divine inspiration?

The Bible says, “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God” (2 Timothy 3:16).

One of the greatest miracles of the Bible is its unity. Just ponder these amazing facts:

The 66 books of the Bible were written:

1. On three continents.
2. In three languages.
3. By about 40 different people (such as kings, shepherds, scientists, attorneys, an army general, fishermen, priests, and a physician).
4. Over a period of about 1,500 years.
5. On the most controversial subjects.
6. By people who, in most cases, had never met.
7. By authors whose education and background varied greatly.

Yet, though it seems totally inconceivable, the 66 books maintain harmony with one another. And even when new concepts on a certain subject are expressed, they do not undermine what other Bible writers say on the same subject.

This is almost too amazing to believe! Ask people who have viewed the same event to give a report of what happened and you’ll discover that their stories will often differ widely and will contradict each other in some way. Yet the Bible, penned by 40 writers over a 1,500-year period, reads as if it was written by one mind. And indeed it was: “Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit” (2 Peter 1:21). The Holy Spirit “moved” them all; He is the real Bible author.

This is taken from amazing facts.

This is tip of the iceberg of how the Bible harmonises. it harmonises even in the minutest detail. Only those who study the Bible know that. Only God could do that. Plus all biblical prophecy is always fulfilled. We are seeing end time prophecy being fulfilled right now.

There is simply no other book like the Bible in this world and there never will be. It is the truth of God.


You keep on missing the point sadly. Seeing texts written in Aramaic or Greek or any other language is not going to transform one's heart from the inside out is it? Whatever version of Bible a person reads they can find Christ in it.

As I have pointed out in this post and in my previous one, there is a spiritual side to being a Christian. If we open our hearts to God, He will lead us to the truth and the best version of His Word where we can get to know Him deeply and accept Christ as our personal Saviour. Its about Christ can be found in all the versions of the Bible (even the latest ones).


Jesus did not come to eradicate sin from this world when He came the first time. Only hell and the eternal death of the wicked including Satan and his angels will get rid of sin at the end of the world.

Jesus came to save us from paying for the penalty of sin. He paid for that penalty so we don't have to. If we accept Christ as our Saviour and His gift of salvation and follow His precepts, we will be saved and not die eternally. This is a choice we have to make ourselves then God can start being part of lives and leading us after we let Him in.

Yes Christians still sin but as they grow in Christ and become more and more obedient, they sin less and less. And when Christian sin, they ask God for forgiveness earnestly and He forgives them.


Yes we need Jesus as He is our Saviour, but we need the Holy Spirit too. The Holy Spirit leads us to Christ. This is something that does not exist in Islam. That is why you don't get it.

The spiritual side of being a Christian is very important. We get led to God by the Holy Spirit. We discern the Bible through the Holy Spirit. We are baptised in the Holy Spirit. We get spiritual gifts too to serve God with. Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come" (John 16:13).

Jesus also said in John 4:24: “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth”

Bye.

Ok that’s nice you’re just posting pages of scripture instead of having a discussion. Then in usual Phipps fashion, you make a passive aggressive statement and run. If you want to talk about how glorious your faith is post in the multiple threads you have. Always going into preacher mode…never using his brain to think and ponder on what is actually being said.

‘Bye’

 

[Haich]

Yeah, i understand, i usually check out the source they used for anything i want to investigate further. They may lie by omissiom, but if there are any claims made i read what their source says.

I dont go searching for primary sources right off the bat on every topic because there is a limited amount of time.

Ok, my question would be, if Muhammad was illiterate, doesn't it take a certain degree of faith to believe that what he wrote was not altered by someone after the fact? How would he have known?

Or is the miracle that he was formerly illiterate and then miraculously was able to read from that point on?

I've previously heard that he received the Quran in the cave and then spoke it and someone else wrote it, is this the accepted Islamic view?

I think because you have so many questions about Islam you will find more detailed answers if you read the English copy.

The Quran was revealed over the span of 23 years to the prophet Muhammad. It was revealed in parts in accordance with events that were occurring.

“And [it is] a Qur’an which We have separated [by intervals] that you might recite it to the people over a prolonged period. And We have sent it down progressively.” [17:106]

Muhammad pbuh was known to be an upright and honest person. That was his character prior to prophethood, it was a reputation he had. He used to spend time pondering on existence and God in solitude in a cave nearby. One day, angel jibril (Gabriel) came down I believe in the form of a man (someone correct me if I’m wrong my recollection of the details isn’t great) and commanded him ‘Read/Recite! In the name of your Lord’. This was the first verse revealed to him. Here is the full chapter of what was revealed to him:
96. Surah Al-Alaq (The Clot)

1. Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists),
2. Has created man from a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood).
3. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
4. Who has taught (the writing) by the pen [the first person to write was Prophet Idrees (Enoch)],
5. Has taught man that which he knew not.
6. Nay! Verily, man does transgress all bounds (in disbelief and evil deed, etc.).
7. Because he considers himself self-sufficient.
8. Surely! Unto your Lord is the return.
9. Have you (O Muhammad (

)) seen him (i.e. Abu Jahl) who prevents,
10. A slave (Muhammad (

)) when he prays?
11. Tell me, if he (Muhammad (

)) is on the guidance (of Allah)?
12. Or enjoins piety?
13. Tell me if he (the disbeliever, Abu Jahl) denies (the truth, i.e. this Qur'an), and turns away?
14. Knows he not that Allah does see (what he does)?
15. Nay! If he (Abu Jahl) ceases not, We will catch him by the forelock,
16. A lying, sinful forelock!
17. Then, let him call upon his council (of helpers),
18. We will call the guards of Hell (to deal with him)!
19. Nay! (O Muhammad (

))! Do not obey him (Abu Jahl). Fall prostrate and draw near to Allah!

He was illiterate and an orphan. He wasn’t taught to read and write. So the miracle is, how could he recite such eloquent words…he didn’t have the ability to write them himself and they contained themes that were unknown to him.

The Quran has always been an oral revelation but it was written down and compiled by his companions during his life and after his death. This wasn’t really necessary as everyone memorised it but to this day we have the same Quran and someone in Timbuktu can recite it and me in The UK and we will understand each other and say the same words. I’m already certain you’re going to ask ‘how do you know that the compilation didn’t have errors’ so here’s a link below explaining it further. https://www.majesticquran.co.uk/how-was-the-quran-compiled/

 

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Anyway, back to Yunus (as) or Jonah.

I’d like to note that the Quran is organised very differently to the Bible. The Quran is one book, we have 114 surahs (chapters) each with a title and a main subject matter. Each chapter has a period of revelation (if it was revealed in Makkah or Medinah) and there is context for why and when it was revealed. So, surah Yunus is chapter 10 for those who want to look it up. Here’s a link to an English translation of the surah and if you pick ‘tafsir’ it will give you a detailed commentary or breakdown on anything you’re unsure of.

Surah Yunus - 1-109 - Quran.com

Read and listen to Surah Yunus. The Surah was revealed in Mecca, ordered 10 in the Quran. The Surah title means "Jonah" in English and consists of 109...

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Jonah was among the prophets of God who used to receive revelation. The Quran says in this regard:

إِنَّا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَيْكَ كَمَا أَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ نُوحٍ وَالنَّبِيِّينَ مِن بَعْدِهِ ۚ وَأَوْحَيْنَا إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَعِيسَىٰ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُونُسَ وَهَارُونَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ ۚ وَآتَيْنَا دَاوُودَ زَبُورًا ﴿163﴾

We have indeed revealed to you as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him, and [as] We revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, Jesus and Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon—and We gave David the Psalms— 1

Jonah is among the prophets to whom God revealed His messages. He lived in a region called Nineveh (نَينَوا), that is, modern day Iraq.

Toxic covered the rest so I won’t repeat the post.

Please note
‘Apostle’ isn’t a good translation of ‘rasul’, Messengers or prophet is more appropriate

 

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The speaker starts talking about Yunus (Jonah) at 8:25 but the beginning of the video if you’re interested is about why Yunus’ story was mentioned in the Quran to Muhammad pbuh and the important lessons we can take away from Yunus’ story.

He speaks in English but references verses in Arabic.

 

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@ToxicFemininitySucks this is a shorter video with no extensive Arabic verses being relayed so it’ll be easier to watch and understand the story of Yunus.