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- Jesus taught to love God, and our neighbor as ourself. The parable of the good Samaritan* clearly shows that our neighbor is not just those who look, think, and believe as ourselves. The fact that Christians - Bible-believing Christians, no less - will throw this parable under the bus in order to resort to teachings from the book of Genesis in order to pick sides and not feel for their fellow man is a horrible testimony. Let's not be selfish - it's not just about our own salvation. If our bad testimony alienates others then WE have a part in that.

Btw I don't know if you know but Samaritans are still around, they uniquely have dual citizenship in both Palestine and Israel.
Their holy mountain (equivalent of "Zion" in Judaism/Christianity) is Mount Gerizim, which is in the Palestinian city of Nablus.

Samaritans were one of the biggest ancient enemies of Jews. In the "Old Testament", such as 2 Kings, there is slanderous Jewish attack on the Samaritans claiming them to be outside invaders from the north.

Nonetheless, in the ancient world Samaritans were bigger than Jews. Samaritans had Samaria (surprising?) which was a hub for trade/commerce etc. Judaea by comparison, even though it is the center of Old Testament narrative, was rather insignificant to the surrounding empires.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan is an interesting piece of allegorical history, given the situation of animosity that it comes out of. In the parable, Jesus is denigrating Jews for certain views and attitudes, and placing the enemy of the Jews at the time (Samaritans) above the Jews in terms of compassion/generosity etc.

This is an interesting discussion:


The lynchpin of Jewish identity, and Zionism in particular, is the purposeful ignoring of Samaritans.

And even in terms of alleged historical claim that Jews have with Zionism, look at the actual reality of it:



Samaritans aren't some kind of conspiracy thing like British Israelites or Black Hebrew Israelites (both of which claim to be "the real Jews").

Samaritans aren't Jews, Samaritans like Jews are claimed decedents of the ancient Israelites. Samaritans reject the Neviim and Ketuvim, in other words their only scripture is the Torah, not the rest of the "old testament" (as Christians refer to it).

But just like how there is a lot of bitterness, bickering and discrimination between Jews of different ethnicities in modern day Israel, so do Samaritans in modern day "Israel" get their fair share of discrimination.

Just thought I'd let you know, it's pretty interesting history anyway and the Samaritan side of things is never mentioned.
 

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...it seems Christians are quick to pull out the "we forgive them" card when the Israelis are insulting Jesus, but instead reserve all that animosity for other groups..
As a Christian, I don't hate jews, I've worked at 2 jewish-owned family firms and they were nice friendly people, and I'm content to let God himself decide whether he wants to forgive jews for killing his son..:)
Likewise, I don't hate any other groups either, I get on fine with muslims and hindus etc who run local grocery shops, sure they reject Jesus, so I'm content to let God decide what to do with them too..:)
 
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Samaritans were one of the biggest ancient enemies of Jews. In the "Old Testament", such as 2 Kings, there is slanderous Jewish attack on the Samaritans claiming them to be outside invaders from the north.

Nonetheless, in the ancient world Samaritans were bigger than Jews. Samaritans had Samaria (surprising?) which was a hub for trade/commerce etc. Judaea by comparison, even though it is the center of Old Testament narrative, was rather insignificant to the surrounding empires.

The Parable of the Good Samaritan is an interesting piece of allegorical history, given the situation of animosity that it comes out of. In the parable, Jesus is denigrating Jews for certain views and attitudes, and placing the enemy of the Jews at the time (Samaritans) above the Jews in terms of compassion/generosity etc.
Yeah when the kingdom split into 2 samaria was the capital of the larger kingdom of Israel while Jerusalem was the capital of Judah. There was much animosity between the two.

Which illustrates why the parable of the good Samaritan shows how our neighbor includes even those with whom we don't agree with (to put it mildly).



The lynchpin of Jewish identity, and Zionism in particular, is the purposeful ignoring of Samaritans.

Samaritans aren't some kind of conspiracy thing like British Israelites or Black Hebrew Israelites (both of which claim to be "the real Jews").

Samaritans aren't Jews, Samaritans like Jews are claimed decedents of the ancient Israelites. Samaritans reject the Neviim and Ketuvim, in other words their only scripture is the Torah, not the rest of the "old testament" (as Christians refer to it).

But just like how there is a lot of bitterness, bickering and discrimination between Jews of different ethnicities in modern day Israel, so do Samaritans in modern day "Israel" get their fair share of discrimination.

Just thought I'd let you know, it's pretty interesting history anyway and the Samaritan side of things is never mentioned.
Interesting indeed.

I had read that the Samaritans only follow the Torah, and yeah, that would make them closer as far as beliefs go to the ancient Israelites in a way.

(It would involve ignoring the fact that when the kingdom split into two the northern half was encouraged into idolatry in order to not go to Jerusalem to worship

1 Kings 12
25Then Jeroboam built Shechem in mount Ephraim, and dwelt therein; and went out from thence, and built Penuel. 26And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David: 27If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah. 28Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

29And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan. 30And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan. 31And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi. 32And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made. 33So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense

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24And he bought the hill Samaria of Shemer for two talents of silver, and built on the hill, and called the name of the city which he built, after the name of Shemer, owner of the hill, Samaria
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32And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria

But, by he time of Jesus the "Jews" were no longer strict adherents to the Torah either, not to say of the corruptions of even later periods once the temple was destroyed...)

Contradicts zionism regardless tho.
 

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Likewise, I don't hate any other groups either, I get on fine with muslims...
If only the same can be said for the online you.

The first thing to remember is that there are a lot of muslims, muslim sympathisers and anti-American traitors out there who want us to believe their ridiculous 9/11 consp-theory, so don't get suckered in by them.
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some muslims like to give him a helping hand with bullets and bombs..:)
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Incidentally, muslims are always killing muslims; so much for the 'Brotherhood of Islam".
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As for me 'making Christians look bad,' that claim might hold water if I started flying airliners into buildings and cutting peoples heads off like you muslims do.. :p
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which gives muslims permission to beat up women
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5 examples should be enough, seeing there are 100+ .

No, there are quite literally 10 pages of Tidals posts where he's mentioned Muslims.
Guess how many are friendly?

Obsession doesn't scratch the surface.

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These are all Tidal as i searched by user name.

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So who is Tidal? The world may never know.
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@ToxicFemininitySucks As you liked that post by Tidal, thought you might be interested in seeing what everyone else see's.
So tagging you here.
 

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Tidal was a tough talker, but I'm more mellow and tend to pull my punches..:)
However I can certainly kick butt if people deserve it..;)
"The Lord made my mouth a sharp sword, an arrow in his quiver" (Isaiah 49:1/2)

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I liked his post based on what he wrote there.
Hopefully he has repented of his past beliefs?
The guys ok and i don't hate him. Truth is he's part troll / part old man.

Blinded by 9/11, but at his age a tiger does not change its stripes.

Tidal is the reason i have this image saved on my pc. Though i haven't had the opportunity to use it much lately. It is a loaded gun.

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The guys ok and i don't hate him. Truth is he's part troll / part old man.

Blinded by 9/11, but at his age a tiger does not change its stripes.

Tidal is the reason i have this image saved on my pc. Though i haven't had the opportunity to use it much lately. It is a loaded gun.

View attachment 93907 Nothing says Christian troll like a troll with a cross.

You must have got me mixed up with somebody else mate, I've said multiple times that Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians and should give it back.
Are you a closet jew and have a problem with that?..;)
 

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You must have got me mixed up with somebody else mate, I've said multiple times that Israel stole Palestine from the Palestinians and should give it back.
Are you a closet jew and have a problem with that?..;)
Idk what you're on about. I'm looking at my post and I see nothing about Israel or Palestine in it.

My last name is French, so at some point my ancestors were French, not that i think Jews are a race anyway. Just like Christians and Muslims are not a race.

I've said many times I like Torah Jews and would happily choke a Zionist Jew. If you're trying to catch me in a lie. Then ask me a 1000 times.
You're gonna get the same answer a 1000 times.

There is a different between the two.

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I've said many times I like Torah Jews and would happily choke a Zionist Jew. If you're trying to catch me in a lie. Then ask me a 1000 times.
You're gonna get the same answer a 1000 times.

There is a different between the two.
Questions: is this thread about zionist attacks on Christians in the country of israel, or about Jewish attacks on Christians in the country of israel?

Aren't many/most? of the attacks shown from orthodox Jews? Not just the majority secularized Jews?

Are Jews being defined as "zionist" due to living in the country of israel despite differences in beliefs or ideologies?

Are jewish attacks on Christianity in the US beyond this thread (or this forum, for that matter)?
 

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Questions: is this thread about zionist attacks on Christians in the country of israel, or about Jewish attacks on Christians in the country of israel?

Aren't many/most? of the attacks shown from orthodox Jews? Not just the majority secularized Jews?

Are Jews being defined as "zionist" due to living in the country of israel despite differences in beliefs or ideologies?

Are jewish attacks on Christianity in the US beyond this thread (or this forum, for that matter)?
Isn't it obvious?

Its the same "Jew" that "Christians" like
@Red Sky at Morning
@Padre_Neo
@Lurking009
@elsbet's cat ^. .^
@TokiEl
@e-Enoch
@JoChris
@Seekeroftruth55
@Maldarker

... along with at least a dozen others, put their forehead on the ground for.

There is no better way to describe it then literal worship of Israel.

The entire time Israel is killing babies, imprisoning children, raping women. I mean you name it. All manor of evil is coming out of Israel.
From sex trafficking to organ harvesting. From an atheist state to a degenerate state calling for homosexuality and bestiality..

And these people represent Jesus?

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I have not scratched the surface nor done the people of Palestine justice as they are systematically murdered as we speak.

And the only one who can be bothered to turn his fuckin head to pay a minutes worth of attention is spreading Israeli propaganda and lies.

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The indifference and neglect pisses me off while Israel is killing a baby literally every 12 minutes and the biggest concern of these people have is whats for dinner?

They can't spend 2 seconds to condemn Israel and that SAYS EVERYTHING.

May every single one of them find out what hell is like. In this life and in the next. Because as we speak, Israel is currently putting 2 million people in absolute living hell.


Here is a 2 minute video that has ALL of the context. There is nothing to read between the lines.


For those who can't be bothered here's a short transcript from the video.

"This is where.. with the kids.. we start our uh.. indoctrination"
"I know that's a strong word to use, indoctrination.. because it gets such a bad reputation"
"But, that is where it starts"

Watch the video.


I have been pointing this out for years here so NONE of them can claim ignorance and the fruit of my efforts?

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I'm not someone who cusses but know i mean what i say when i say fuck these people.
 
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Questions: is this thread about zionist attacks on Christians in the country of israel, or about Jewish attacks on Christians in the country of israel?

Aren't many/most? of the attacks shown from orthodox Jews? Not just the majority secularized Jews?

Are Jews being defined as "zionist" due to living in the country of israel despite differences in beliefs or ideologies?

Are jewish attacks on Christianity in the US beyond this thread (or this forum, for that matter)?
Speaking of that, I find it curious that it is supposed to be antisemitism to equate Jews with the "state of Israel"/Zionism, when apologetics for Zionism requires making that same equation.

They can't argue for a so-called "Jewish state" without equating "Israel" with both followers of Judaism and with "cultural Jews", and then manipulatively appealing to a skewed version of ancient Judaism (for the whole "our ancestors lived here" thing).

It's a no-rules, no-logic situation for pro-Zionists.
 
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The indifference and neglect pisses me off while Israel is killing a baby literally every 12 minutes and the biggest concern of these people have is whats for dinner?

They can't spend 2 seconds to condemn Israel and that SAYS EVERYTHING.
I understand that you are angry that people, specifically Christians, are turning away from the evidence of the atrocities being committed agaisnt the Palestinians.

This behavior is something i've been trying to understand myself, but i think by now have figured out: people have been indoctrinated that the "Jews' " lives are worth more than everyone else's, Christian or not. Also, people believe that if they criticise, critique, or even acknowledge what is being done that God will "curse" them.

It strikes me as a strange form of legalism that Jesus would have opposed - an unfeeling way of following the "law" - in this case Genesis 12:3 (3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed), not the actual "law" * - while overlooking the part about love for their fellow human beings.

I do not agree with them. As i said previously, it takes an incredibly hardened heart to ignore the systematic slaughter of innocent children. I can't condone it ("bless it") and staying quiet is pointless as God knows all.


However, when you say things like this
I like Torah Jews
you are saying that you have no problems with the type of Jews who attrack Christians who attempt to convert them - the nonsecular kind.

That's why i asked if you define zionist as any citizen of the country of Israel.

* of course, as more states move to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism, i can only imagine that the rationale given will be "we are following the law".
 
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Speaking of that, I find it curious that it is supposed to be antisemitism to equate Jews with the "state of Israel"/Zionism, when apologetics for Zionism requires making that same equation.

They can't argue for a so-called "Jewish state" without equating "Israel" with both followers of Judaism and with "cultural Jews", and then manipulatively appealing to a skewed version of ancient Judaism (for the whole "our ancestors lived here" thing).

It's a no-rules, no-logic situation for pro-Zionists.
Yeah, now here in the US theyre making it synonymous to be anti-zionism and anti-semitic...


this groundbreaking law adopts the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism which includes the delegitimizing or demonizing of the State of Israel, including applying double standards to discussions of Israel.
There's a lot of incidences of no logic. No double standards eh?

 

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However, when you say things like this

you are saying that you have no problems with the type of Jews who attrack Christians who attempt to convert them - the nonsecular kind.

That's why i asked if you define zionist as any citizen of the country of Israel.

* of course, as more states move to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism, i can only imagine that the rationale given will be "we are following the law".
There is no such thing as a secular Muslim, Christian or Jew. Let just state the obvious.

Personally it doesn't matter to me if Jews try to convert Christians or vice versa. If God guides you none can lead you astray. You're gonna hold firmly onto his path and if he doesn't guide then there is no hope for you. This is why prayer is important, guidance. But praying to Buddha isn't benefiting anyone. Putting your head on the floor for someone described in the Bible as a prophet isn't helping you.

Jew's don't worship the prophets. For sure many of them are going to hell for the killing of prophets but there is no greater sin then setting up partners with God. The one who worships Prophet Jesus is worse then the murderer,the rapist, the p***phile, you name it. We know this because the most evil thing in all 3 Abrahamic faiths is setting up partners with God.

God hates it. You are literally taking his blessings and thanking another for them. Your first commandment is "No Gods but me" but somehow your deity has 3 separate names,images and personalities?

Sadly Christianity has accepted alot of paganism and I often reference Christmas and Easter as proof of this because most will agree on it. But the facts the 3 in 1 god concept is also pagan but it falls on deaf ears. Why?

People can hate me for making this subject crystal clear but i promise you all will understand come judgement day. Hell is absolute torment and it is forever.

I pray that God shows you the truth because you are on an evil path.


That's why i asked if you define zionist as any citizen of the country of Israel.
No, there are alot of Torah Jews in Palestine, just like there are alot of Christians and Muslims. After all this is the land where Prophet Abraham walked. There are multiple holy sites and living there does make one feel closer to God.

But the one taking a gun trying to take someone else's house is a Zionist. The one harming others and crying victim is a Zionist. The one who takes a 10 year old child and breaks his arm before locking him up for looking at him funny is a Zionist.

Do you need more examples?

Brutal occupation. This is what modern day Israhell is.

Its really not complicated. If they actually believe in God, they are not gonna oppress others like Israel is doing. Over 20,000 dead and wounded innocents in the last 2 weeks alone. Yet this has gone of for 75 years!. Do you think they fear God what so ever as they openly call for genocide all over social media?

No, of course not, this is not a muddy water issue.
 
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There is no such thing as a secular Muslim, Christian or Jew. Let just state the obvious
People who call themselves "secular Jews" would say otherwise...
I was talking about the different denominations - orthodox, reform, conservative, etc.

Obviously the Jews who are promoting the sodomite agenda in the country of israel are not orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews are very conservative, though if they are there they must also be zionists.

As for "secular Christians", if we go by the figure you always bring up of half the Christians being catholics, then i assure you there are plenty of seculars there too.


God hates it. You are literally taking his blessings and thanking another for them
No, im thanking God.
I pray to God, in Jesus' name.

John 14
13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John 15
16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you



Sadly Christianity has accepted alot of paganism and I often reference Christmas and Easter as proof of this because most will agree on it.
And here i thought it was because it's obviously low hanging fruit (as is the roman catholic church, which keeps getting equated with Christianity)

But the facts the 3 in 1 god concept is also pagan but it falls on deaf ears. Why?
I don't know why.
All i can say is that there was a lot of politics and power plays involved in those councils where doctrine was decided. But the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God. As i said before when discussing it with a different poster, obviously Jesus had some human limitations - He felt hunger, He couldn't be everywhere at once, that kind of thing.

But let's be honest - it's not just about denying the trinity. It's about denying the Bible. And the resurrection.


there are alot of Torah Jews in Palestine,
How can they follow the Torah if there is no temple to sacrifice in.
The destruction of the temple led to the talmud taking precedence over the Torah.


Do you think they fear God what so ever as they openly call for genocide all over social media?
No, they don't worship God, they follow satan. Ever heard of frankism? A literal invertion of the Torah.
 

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People who call themselves "secular Jews" would say otherwise...
I was talking about the different denominations - orthodox, reform, conservative, etc.

Obviously the Jews who are promoting the sodomite agenda in the country of israel are not orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews are very conservative, though if they are there they must also be zionists.

As for "secular Christians", if we go by the figure you always bring up of half the Christians being catholics, then i assure you there are plenty of seculars there too.



No, im thanking God.
I pray to God, in Jesus' name.

John 14
13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

John 15
16Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you




And here i thought it was because it's obviously low hanging fruit (as is the roman catholic church, which keeps getting equated with Christianity)


I don't know why.
All i can say is that there was a lot of politics and power plays involved in those councils where doctrine was decided. But the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God. As i said before when discussing it with a different poster, obviously Jesus had some human limitations - He felt hunger, He couldn't be everywhere at once, that kind of thing.

But let's be honest - it's not just about denying the trinity. It's about denying the Bible. And the resurrection.



How can they follow the Torah if there is no temple to sacrifice in.
The destruction of the temple led to the talmud taking precedence over the Torah.



No, they don't worship God, they follow satan. Ever heard of frankism? A literal invertion of the Torah.
These kind of posts are annoying to reply to. Piecemeal back and forth and in the end we are left with alot of wasted time.

..anyway...

Its interesting you think Catholics are secular. There is no Muslim sect that Muslims would consider secular. After all secularism is the complete abandonment of God.

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I pray to God, in Jesus' name.
This is one of the things that attracted me to Islam over a decade ago. A direct connection.

I didn't need Jesus, the preacher at church or a even pious friend to "pray for me". I could speak to the Creator directly, no middle man.


But the Bible clearly says that Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God.
If the Bible clearly says this then why do Unitarian Christians exist? We have at least 3 here.

If the Bible was crystal clear on this concept you would have 100% trinitarians but we both know this is not the case.

Problem with John 3:16 (and others) is we know the Bible has been changed. Even today they make little edits here and there. It is undeniable.
I shouldn't have to point past the fact that there are 2000+ versions (note, not translations) to prove this.

Also, as i just recently pointed out to Tidal. The Bible also says David, Solomon and even Israel are sons of God.

Why don't you speak to God through Davids name?




And the resurrection.
Another pagan concept with ties to reincarnation beliefs. To accept it you have to believe that not only God died, but was killed by his creation.
This is the problem with making God human, you make him vastly weak. Its insulting.


Christianity has made God so low and the devil massively powerful. Strong enough to challenge God himself.
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When the reality is satan trembles at even the thought of God.



Consider this, Prophet Moses once asked God if he slept.

2 minute video.

How did the system survive for 3 days while your god was dead?
Its ok to use logic. After all it comes from the Almighty himself.


How can they follow the Torah if there is no temple to sacrifice in.
Do you need a church to worship God? Because i don't need a mosque.
 
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These kind of posts are annoying to reply to. Piecemeal back and forth and in the end we are left with alot of wasted time.

..anyway...

Its interesting you think Catholics are secular. There is no Muslim sect that Muslims would consider secular. After all secularism is the complete abandonment of God.

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This is one of the things that attracted me to Islam over a decade ago. A direct connection.

I didn't need Jesus, the preacher at church or a even pious friend to "pray for me". I could speak to the Creator directly, no middle man.




If the Bible clearly says this then why do Unitarian Christians exist? We have at least 3 here.

If the Bible was crystal clear on this concept you would have 100% trinitarians but we both know this is not the case.

Problem with John 3:16 (and others) is we know the Bible has been changed. Even today they make little edits here and there. It is undeniable.
I shouldn't have to point past the fact that there are 2000+ versions (note, not translations) to prove this.

Also, as i just recently pointed out to Tidal. The Bible also says David, Solomon and even Israel are sons of God.

Why don't you speak to God through Davids name?






Another pagan concept with ties to reincarnation beliefs. To accept it you have to believe that not only God died, but was killed by his creation.
This is the problem with making God human, you make him vastly weak. Its insulting.


Christianity has made God so low and the devil massively powerful. Strong enough to challenge God himself.
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When the reality is satan trembles at even the thought of God.



Consider this, Prophet Moses once asked God if he slept.

2 minute video.

How did the system survive for 3 days while your god was dead?
Its ok to use logic. After all it comes from the Almighty himself.




Do you need a church to worship God? Because i don't need a mosque.

Ok, ill reply as a long post, makes no difference to me.

- no, not ALL catholics are secular, some are very observant of their man made traditions, which they claim are from God. But many get baptized by their parents (not by their own choice and belief) and then go on to live just as much a godless life as anyone. According to the catholic church they will always be a catholic no matter what, and get counted in the numbers. So if going by the supposed number of catholics worldwide, many are secular.


- i looked up "nontrinitarian" because looking up "unitarian" was getting me nowhere except some very liberal denomination that believes everyone goes to heaven and all kinds of immorality.




Anyway, i think theres a confusion between "son of God", which is what the Bible says, and "God the Son" which is some catholic doctrine stuff. The first phrase is found in the Bible many times, the second is not.

I also found this site which discusses the intoduction of the trinity doctrine into Christianity in order to - once again - compromise with the pagans


While Tertullian introduced the term “trinity,” what he taught and believed is different to what the trinity doctrine is today. And since he introduced this term, than that means the trinity doctrine as taught today did not exist in the time of Tertullian. And if it did not exist in his time, then it could never have existed in the time of Christ and the apostles.

Tertullian however did introduce pagan ideas into the worship service. He taught oblations for the dead and made the sign of the cross on the forehead of worshipers. He also dipped people three times to baptize them. Tertullian freely admitted that he had adopted these ideas from pagan teachings and could not support them from Scripture, but he thought that if Christians adopted some heathen rituals of the pagans that they would find it easier to join Christianity.
So looks like i have a lot to read and pray over.


- And yes, there's been edits to the Bible, some for the purpose of money (copyrights), and some for more nefarious purposes, including steps towards the establishment of a one world religion. There's a good thread about it on this forum that discusses some of this...


- As for this David, Solomon, and Israel (dont forget Adam) being the sons of God, yes, the Bible says this.

Psalm 89
26He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

27Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth

Exodus 4
22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn

2 Samuel 7:14
14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men

Luke 3:38
38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God


But nowhere does it say they are the ONLY begotten Son of God. David and Solomon have human parents (and there are many double applications in scripture that make David a type of Jesus). Israel is a nation.

According to Islam, who is Jesus' father? Wiki claims Islam accepts the virgin birth.

If God didn't father Jesus (his Word) then we have much bigger problems - a woman creating life by herself.


- No, God didn't - and can't - die.
God's son, who was both God and human (because He has no earthly father) died, and then God brought him back to life.

Also, Jesus accepted His Father's will when He allowed Himself to be killed. So it's not this whole thing of God's creation overpowering Him or something - He allowed it. If He had not died then He could not have been the substitutionary atonement sacrifice.


- no i don't need a physical church, the believers ARE the church (a concept the catholics reject btw).

But the Torah spells out very specific instructions on what worship was acceptable and what wasnt. God struck down people for wrong worship in the Old Testament. And the fact is that there is no temple, or even a tabernacle tent. Instead just manmade talmudic rules and rabbinic opinions.
 

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I didn't need Jesus, the preacher at church or a even pious friend to "pray for me". I could speak to the Creator directly, no middle man.
Jesus Christ is the Creator.



John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not comprehended it.
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9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the only begotten Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.






The triune nature of God is not so hard to understand... if you believe even man is triune that is made up of body soul and spirit.

If created man can be triune then surely the Creator can too. After all man is made in God's image.
 
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