"The way home or catch the fire" compared to bible/ other religions (part 6)

[JoChris]

The underlined comments in 8:27 should be researched further by readers.

To be frank, the biblical and even historical contradictions are so blatant now, only a brainwashed JAHtruther could still believe TWHOFTF.


8:27 CHRIST explained that, not only was he NOT Jewish,
Read a real bible and real historians.

Introduction:
Jesus - Wikipedia
Jesus[d] (c. 6 to 4 BC – AD 30 or 33), also referred to as Jesus Christ,[e] Jesus of Nazareth, and several other names and titles, was a first-century Jewish preacher and religious leader.[1

Jesus king of the Jews - Wikipedia
In the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as the King of the Jews, both at the beginning of his life and at the end. In the Koine Greek of the New Testament, e.g., in John 19:3, this is written as Basileus ton Ioudaion (βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων).[1]

but that he was not from this planet (John 7:34-36 & 8:23 / King of kings’ Bible, John 8:14; 17:14 & 18:36),
He is a liar. There are no mentions of planets, solar systems or even related to Earth itself.

John chapter 7
7:32 The Pharisees heard that the people murmured such things concerning him; and the Pharisees and the chief priests sent officers to take him.
33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

John 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

John 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

The "world" does not refer to the planet. Can a planet -a physical object - hate people?!!!
If AJH does believe that, then that is a paganistic belief.

and about the spirit, being spirit, and the flesh, being flesh (John 3:6), and that the spirit is the ONLY thing which is important (John 6:63), and that the body is worthless.

That is Gnosticism. Mind over matter: the heresy of Gnosticism both then and now

... Spiritual salvation was of preeminence to the Gnostics because they thought the human spirit was naturally good and was entrapped or imprisoned in the body, which was naturally evil or merely an illusion. Their goal, therefore, was to free the spirit from its embodied prison, and the only key to unlock the prison doors was the mysterious knowledge they possessed.

 

[The Sojourner]

Paul is the apostle who writes a great deal about God's grace towards us, sending Jesus to die for our sins because we could NOT ever follow the commandments like AJH pretends we are able to do.

That's a false claim. Let me show you why that is, with Bible proof:

You wrote that Christianity claims that we could NOT ever follow the commandments and that AJH pretends we are able to.

But that is not what the Bible teaches:

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So in Luke it clearly says that both Zacharias and his wife Elizabeth were walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord blameless.

That means they followed the Commandments.

Therefore, the Gospel proves Christian claims and thinking to the contrary, to be incorrect (wrong).

Christianity is pretending that we could NOT ever follow the commandments, despite the Bible saying that Zacharias and Elizabeth both followed the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord blameless. And they did it while still under the Old Covenant.

So, that being the truth, how then can Christianity make a claim that people today, cannot possibly follow the Commandments under the New Covenant?

That is therefore a Christian lie.

Christianity is therefore proven to be incorrect and wrong in making that false claim, by the Bible.
And what it says in TWHOFTF is proven to be correct by the Bible.

Read it again:

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord blameless.

(Jesus: )
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth me, the works that I do shall he do also;

Can you see now that what Christianity claims about not being able to follow the Commandments is incorrect (and therefore a lie because it is put forth as fact when it is not to mislead the followers)?

The Bible says both that we can and that we should:

(Jesus: )
Matthew
19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?
19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou ME good? [there is] none good but One, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep the Commandments.

Jesus said there that if we want to enter into Life, keep the Commandments.

(Paul: )
1 Corinthians
7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of The Commandments of God [is crucial].

Paul said there, that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the Commandments of God is crucial.

i.e. It is the keeping of the Commandments that is important and is what matters.

 

[JoChris]

@The Sojourner, the subject/s you raise are currently being addressed in another thread.

You personally need read the Book of Psalms and ask yourself why the God of JAHtruth does not have mercy for sinners and why AJH's God does not give us hope when we inevitably do break God's commandments. If you are honest with yourself, you know you are still guilty of breaking the commandments at times because you are a SINNER.

Psalm 130
130:1 Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O Lord.
2 Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.
3 If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
5 I wait for the Lord, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.
6 My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.
7 Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

 

[JoChris]

Please read the whole Psalm 139 and compare it to "The way home or face the fire's" view of human life.

8:28 “Let the dead bury their dead”, which means that those people, that honour the body and the persons of men (kings; queens; presidents; priests; etc.; etc.), and worldly-treasures, and thereby are still condemned to death, should bury what THEY value.

A dead body is only a worthless lump of dead meat, that never was a person, just an animal-body that they used, and the REAL person is still alive (their soul); but only until the Last-Day (Matt. 8:22).

Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
Perhaps for further discussion/ research it would be interesting to see how many world religions other than Gnosticism share AJH's degree of disdain towards the human body?
Some evolutionists/ nihilists probably just use different vocabulary for the same concepts too.

People are only sad at funerals, for selfish reasons, i.e. because they feel sorry for themselves. They should feel glad for the person whose body has died, because they have moved-on, to their next lesson.

What a hard-hearted man AJH must be. Again readers, please ask yourself: how does this compare to what Jesus said and did?

e.g. If Jesus shared AJH's worldview, He wouldn't have healed the seriously ill or brought back several people from the dead. He just would have told followers/ eyewitnesses that they were better off dead.

 

[JoChris]

Reminder that blue is doctrine, green is first person "revelation".

8:29 Do not be afraid of those who can kill your body, fear only those who can kill your soul, on the Last-Day (Matt. 10:28 & Luke 12:4-5), i.e. God and His soldiers (guardian angels).

Read what Jesus actually said.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

That is no accident.
It appears to be relatively common for other religions to give way more power and status towards angels.

Where in the BIBLE does it suggest that angels will be responsible for casting us into Hell?

8:30 Seek the truth and you will find it. How can you expect to find the truth, when you are not seeking (Luke 11:9-13),
That passage is about people approaching God in prayer. Luke 11:8-13

In the last verse Jesus mentions something that I do not remember TWHOFTF addressing in earlier chapters [please correct me if I am wrong.]
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

and are wasting all your time, watching soap-operas and sport on television, or are looking in the wrong places, i.e. organized-religions?

AJH put all organised religions in the same box again.

 

[The Sojourner]

@JoChris, We are all guilty of having sinned. But, God is Merciful when we turn to Him, repent of sin and ask Him for His help. We cannot change on our own but we need His help to do it, because Satan tempts and attacks us, especially when we want to become better and keep the Commandments. With God all things are possible. It is good motivation for us to be told the truth. We have to believe and trust in God, that He can and will help us to overcome. If we really want to go to heaven, then we should realise that we are choosing to be destined to keep the Commandments. That is why we must focus on that now, because the change happens gradually. It is the same with being born-again, it happens gradually as we follow Christ's Teachings. You should not mistake being given the needed motivation to do our neccesary part, for being hard hearted or unmerciful, it is actually the opposite. We need to grow spiritually, and as human beings with a long history of doing the wrong things, we need that motivation. If we tell ourselves and others, that we don't need to make any effort, then we will soon begin to stagnate and then go backwards, and that is not what we want. You should hopefully see this eventually, as you continue reading TWHOFTF. It helps to ask God for help in keeping His Commandments, and then also thanking Him for His help. We can do nothing of ourselves, it is Him doing His work in us and also giving us the ability to be able to do our part. When we do His Will, we also feel good. I'm glad you mentioned Psalms. In one of the verses it says that His Law is a delight, and it converts the soul. A big part of our job, is to become determined and to never give up. It gets to that later in the book as well so it is worth it to persevere. God is Merciful, but that does not mean that we can just keep on sinning. We need to repent and to change our ways. God Bless and peace be upon you.

 

[The Sojourner]

Where in the BIBLE does it suggest that angels will be responsible for casting us into Hell?

It's mentioned in the Gospel according to Matthew, at the very least:

Matthew
13:41 The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his Kingdom ALL things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of Fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And again a few verses on:

Matthew
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
13:50 And shall cast them into the Furnace of Fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So it does actually say that

 

[The Sojourner]

8:27 CHRIST explained that, not only was he NOT Jewish,
Read a real bible and real historians.

Well, since Christ exists since long before there was even a Jewish nation, and is the Son of God, he is most certainly not Jewish (or even human).

As a matter of interest, Abraham was also not Jewish, either. The Jews or Jewish nation didn't exist yet, back when Abraham was born and lived.

And Christ said that he was not from this world (even though Jesus, his human at the time, was from this world, since Jesus was created and was born here). But Christ has already existed for a long time, way before Jesus existed.

 

[JoChris]

IMO the following two are borderline green. The deliberate misquoting of verses are blatant however.
Please compare the scripture references. AJH has quoted the verse out of context as usual to "support" his self-created religion's beliefs.

8:31 Jesus told you EVERYTHING that you NEED to know, including that, IF you earned your right to go home, you would be angels again (Matt. 22:30 & Luke 20:34-36 & John 10:34),
Matthew 22:23-33 - Saducees asked Jesus about theoretical marriages in Heaven.
"Are as" does not equal "are (again)" angels.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Luke 20:27-38 is the same account but written by Luke. "Equal unto the angels" does not mean "are angels".

36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

and about reincarnation (Luke 20:38)(John 9:2).
Look at the following verses. Where is reincarnation/ the concept of reincarnation suggested?
People will see it ONLY if they wish to do so.

Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

John 9:1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

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8:32 He said which planet is heaven (Rev. 2:28 & 22:16 / K. of k. 30:16),
AJH loves the morning star! Note in 22:26 JESUS calls Himself the morning star.
Revelation 2:18-29

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Reminder: K o K reference is AJH's self-created "bible", which will be never taken seriously by non-JAHtruthers.

If anyone finds the chapter 30 from an outside source (i.e. non-supporter of Anthony John Hill), please give the link!!!!

30:16 And there was great Light and there stood before me the Saviour, the Christ. And he spake thus, that I may know the authority of the angel. And bade "Watch for the 'Star' that was foretold by the Prophet Jacob, that you will know the time of the Second Coming, when I will enter all hearts. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the communities. I am the root (source) and the successor of David (Eze. 21:27), [and] the bright and Morning Star."


which was confirming Isaiah 14:12, “How you are fallen from heaven, Lucifer (Satan/Iblis), son of the Morning (Star)!”



Isaiah chapter 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

(king James version, which is the AUTHORISED version, and the second most accurate),

Reminder: there is not a single sentence supplied on JAHtruth's own website or by any supporter that Anthony John Hill has the slightest amount of education in biblical languages or Arabic languages.

which was confirmed again later, by the Koran (Sura 53:49 & 86:1-4).

Reminder: the Quran was written at the very earliest in 7th century AD.

History of the Quran - Wikipedia
.....According to the traditional Muslim belief and Islamic scholarly accounts, the revelation of the Quran began in 610 CE when the angel Gabriel (believed to have been sent by God) appeared to Muhammad (a trader in the Western Arabian city of Mecca, which had become a sanctuary for pagan deities and an important trading center) in the cave of Hira., ...

This is all the Quran says!!!

Quran 53:48 And He is the One Who enriches and impoverishes.
49 And He alone is the Lord of Sirius.

Quran 86:1. By the sky and at-Tariq.
2. But what will let you know what at-Tariq is?
3. The Piercing Star.
4. There is no soul without a Protector over it.

 

[JoChris]

It's mentioned in the Gospel according to Matthew, at the very least:

Matthew
13:41 The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his Kingdom ALL things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of Fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And again a few verses on:

Matthew
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
13:50 And shall cast them into the Furnace of Fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So it does actually say that

Thank you for your response. You have helped me clarify what I was trying to get at.
You make a good point that the angels do the task itself.


8:29 Do not be afraid of those who can kill your body, fear only those who can kill your soul, on the Last-Day (Matt. 10:28 & Luke 12:4-5), i.e. God and His soldiers (guardian angels).

What I was trying to get at (and thank you genuinely), was that I was not able to think of anywhere in the in the bible where it suggests that ANGELS make the decision alongside God to throw the wicked into Hell, i.e. joint decision, democratic vote.

TWHOFTF says THEY (God and His soldiers), the Bible says HIM (God).

 

[JoChris]

Well, since Christ exists since long before there was even a Jewish nation, and is the Son of God, he is most certainly not Jewish (or even human).

As a matter of interest, Abraham was also not Jewish, either. The Jews or Jewish nation didn't exist yet, back when Abraham was born and lived.

And Christ said that he was not from this world (even though Jesus, his human at the time, was from this world, since Jesus was created and was born here). But Christ has already existed for a long time, way before Jesus existed.

Take a step back and think:
Your religion's book is contradicting what both the bible and history says about Jesus being a Jew.

If TWHOFTF is the truth, it will align with proven facts to support its claims.

 

[The Sojourner]

Thank you for your response. You have helped me clarify what I was trying to get at.
You make a good point that the angels do the task itself.


8:29 Do not be afraid of those who can kill your body, fear only those who can kill your soul, on the Last-Day (Matt. 10:28 & Luke 12:4-5), i.e. God and His soldiers (guardian angels).

What I was trying to get at (and thank you genuinely), was that I was not able to think of anywhere in the in the bible where it suggests that ANGELS make the decision alongside God to throw the wicked into Hell, i.e. joint decision, democratic vote.

TWHOFTF says THEY (God and His soldiers), the Bible says HIM (God).

You're welcome. I think it means that they will be given the order and then carry it out. In the Old Testament, the Angel of the Lord went before Israel and did many things, and the people were also warned, not to cross the angel, because The Lord's Name was in him.

 

[The Sojourner]

Take a step back and think:
Your religion's book is contradicting what both the bible and history says about Jesus being a Jew.

If TWHOFTF is the truth, it will align with proven facts to support its claims.

The point being made was this:

Christ is not a Jew, but Jesus was.

 

[The Sojourner]

Remember, Christ has existed for a long time, already before Jesus existed.

In the NT, they talk about Christ having been there with Israel when they came out of Egypt. And there were no Jews yet, even at that time.

 

[JoChris]

The point being made was this:

Christ is not a Jew, but Jesus was.

So does that mean Jesus and Christ are not the same person according to JAHtruth beliefs?

 

[JoChris]

Please read the chapter links to get the full context and then compare it to TWHOFTF's claims.

8:33 He told you exactly what you HAVE to do, to EARN the right to go home: “I AM the door, NO man goes home to God, except if he is like me” (John 10:7-9);

Even AJH's King of King's "bible" contradicts that statement! On this rare occasion it is identical to the KJV!

10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John chapter 10
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.


“I AM The Way (home), the truth and the life” (John 14:2-6), which means:- I am the way you have to be; what I am telling you is the truth; and I am The Way to eternal-life (immortality).

Again, K o K contradicts TWHOFTF.

14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
14:4 And where I go ye know, and The Way ye know.
14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not where thou goest; and how can we know The Way?
14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.

KJV John chapter 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


8:34 Greater love than this has no man; that he lays down his life (human-life), for his friends (John 15:13).
John chapter 15
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jesus did it for his enemies, i.e. all of you (Luke 9:55).
Now for the whole account. Luke 9:51-56
Jesus rebuked the apostles who wanted fire to rain down from Heaven onto the Samaritans.

54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

 

[JoChris]

If a person just skim-reads 8:35 it looks sort of like the bible, but be careful....

e.g. Luke 9: 23 And he [Jesus] said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.




8:35 He that loves his life, in this world, and likes being an animal, and collecting worldly treasures and wealth, shall lose his soul (die in The Fire, on the Last-Day), and he who hates his human-life, in this world, and doesn’t like being an animal,

That phrase is nowhere in the bible. If any readers know of a religion where it teaches that some people like / enjoy being an animal, please give a link!

As usual, AJH's claim is compatible with Gnosticism. Gnostic ethics - Gnosticism explained (pro-gnosticism site)


....Perhaps the most explicit and extensive example of the otherworldly, ascetic orientation of Gnostic ethics comes from the Book of Thomas (which carries the subtitle The Contender Writing to the Perfect, and which shouldn’t be confused with the similarly-titled Gospel of Thomas). Before giving direct exhortations to live in accordance with a radical standard of spiritual and moral purity, this text has Christ deliver a cosmological rationale for it:

All bodies have come into being in the same irrational way that animals are produced, and so they are visible, as creatures lusting after creatures. Those that are above, however, do not exist like those that are visible. Rather, they live from their own root, and their crops nourish them. But the visible bodies feed on creatures that are like them, and so the bodies are subject to change. Whatever is subject to change will perish and be lost, and henceforth has no hope of life, because this body is an animal body. Just as an animal body perishes, these modeled forms also will perish. Are they not from sexual intercourse like that of the animals? If the body too is from intercourse, how will it give birth to anything different from them? So, then, you are children until you become perfect.[6]

and having worldly wealth, at the expense of others, and who always fights for good, no matter what the cost, shall win his freedom; immortality and right to go home (John 12:25 & Mark 8:34-38)(Sura 16:104-111)

John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Mark 8:34-38

Reminder: The Quran is not in the bible.
Quran 16:104-111

 

[JoChris]

8:36 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man (worldly-wealth) to go to heaven (Matt. 19:24).
The whole account is when a rich young man comes to speak to Jesus. Matthew 19:16-26

8:37 Do not collect treasures on Earth, where moths and rust destroy them, and thieves break-in and steal them. Earn treasures in heaven, where they are safe for ever; which means: earn favour with God, by being and doing like Jesus, and thereby earn your pardon, and go home to heaven.

8:38 Why exchange your right to go home to heaven, and to live for ever, for ALL the treasure in this world (Luke 16:19-31),
Luke 16:19-31 is where Jesus speaks about a rich man in Hell and Lazarus in Heaven.

that you can never keep (Luke 12:19-21), and certain-death?
Luke 12:15-21 is about a rich man storing riches but with no thoughts about the next life.

What good will it do you, to own the whole world, for a few years, and pay for it by losing your immortal soul, for ever? “All the money you made will never buy back your soul.” EVERYTHING, in this temporary world, is NOT worth ONE soul (Zephaniah 1:18).
Zephaniah chapter 1

Zephaniah 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

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I can't resist a dig here. IMO sadly it is very relevant, especially since the JAHtruth evangelist @A Freeman insists everyone must obey the 10 commandments.




Look at the website https://thekingsrolexseadweller.com/
If TWHOFTF teaches that, why does the website say the following?

What would the watch belonging to Christ in His Second Coming become known as – The King of kings’ Piece?
And how much would a collector be willing to pay? £10 billion?
Yes. This watch is really for sale – to notify those who can afford this treasure that The Time is at hand.


Here is proof the real initials are A.J.H. not J.A.H.

 

[JoChris]

Can Americans please give your thoughts?

Spacing added for easier reading.


8:39 The American-Indians had it right, until the greedy white-man went and ruined everything for them. The white-men went to America to have a fresh-start, and to leave all the things they disliked, behind them. Instead of which, they took it all with them, and then inflicted it on the Indians.

The white-men lied, and cheated the Indians; who were honourable and friendly people; that was when they weren’t murdering the Indians. The Indians welcomed the early settlers and helped them to survive, teaching them what they could and couldn’t eat, and about snakes and hunting, and survival in general.

The settlers repaid them, and their kindness, with lies, deceit and death. The Indians lived with nature, in harmony, in an idyllic existence, until the white-man arrived, and began to systematically murder them, almost to extinction, because of greed.

Once the black-slaves were given their freedom, they complained of being classed as second-class citizens, whilst the poor Indians, whose country it had been for thousands of years, were not even considered to be citizens, or even human+beings.

8:40 The Indians tried to teach the white-man, to live in harmony with nature, to ensure their own survival. The arrogant white settlers ignored the Indians’ advice, calling them IGNORANT savages, and continued to destroy and pollute the country, until the pollution became so bad, that they had to consider it a real threat.

It became so bad, that, in the last generation, a new subject emerged in universities; called ECOLOGY; which is about protecting nature and the environment. IN OTHER WORDS, it took the ARROGANT “intelligent” white-man, HUNDREDS OF YEARS, to find-out, that the “ignorant” savages/Indians were RIGHT, and much MORE intelligent than themselves.

When I read the above, I immediately thought of Avatar and every other storyline which stereotypes the white people as the villain.

 

[JoChris]

8:41 In more recent times, the “civilized (?)” world has “re-educated (?)” the Indians, and other underdeveloped nations, into believing that they NEED (?) their consumer-products. The consumer-society first of all creates a “need (?)”, and then supplies that need; just like a drug-pusher creates a need for drugs, so that he then has a life-long customer, for his merchandise. Addiction to material-things is very similar. Advertising creates the need (?) and then comes the SUPPLY.

8:42 The materialistic-society taught the Indians, and other non-materialistic natives, of other underdeveloped (?) countries, to feel that they need material goods, so that they then have another market for their products. The second benefit to the big businessman and corporations, then; once they have these peoples HOOKED on their products; is that they can use this want, to steal from; use; abuse and manipulate the natives, away from living with God and nature, and into learning Satan’s evil ways, i.e. serving mammon (materialism).

Shock horror .... even though a lot of overgeneralisation is used in 8:41 and 8:42 I actually agree with a lot of what TWHOFTF says here!!!!
Modern corporations of all sizes and varieties has made life worse in some ways by convincing everyone they need their product.

e.g. Who really needs McDonalds in every shopping centre?
Who really needs to change their wardrobe every year (because last years' colours are so out-of-date now)?

Think of how many skills have been lost because hardly anyone makes/ creates their own things any more.

Think of how shallow people have become.... etc etc


Materialism - true discipleship

Our word materialism means a “preoccupation with or emphasis on material objects, comforts, and considerations, as opposed to spiritual or intellectual values.”[1][1] It is “the theory or attitude that physical well-being and worldly possessions constitute the greatest good and highest value in life. . . . A great or excessive regard for worldly concerns.”[2][2]

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8:43 Mahatma Gandhi understood all of this, and managed to defeat the British, without aggression, PEACEFULLY, by refusing to be materialistic, and teaching his people to go back to their old ways, and not to buy British goods, which caused terrible unemployment in Britain, and forced the British to give-in, to some of Gandhi’s wishes. Gandhi won, by playing the British at their own game, and hitting them where it hurts materialistic people, i.e. in their pockets.

It is snippets like 8:43 that give me insight into what could attract sensitive people (especially those who were bullied or who care about the underdog/ disadvantaged) to AJH's worldview overall.