Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible (part 2)

[JoChris]

In anticipation of the next attack against the Word of God, please see the following, concerning the Greek word "pharmakeia" and its variants, from:

Strong's Greek: 5331. φαρμακεία (pharmakeia) -- the use of medicine, drugs or spells

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The Greek word "pharmakeia" is where the modern-day word "pharmacy" originates. And, as can be seen above, the word pharmakeia (pharmacy) is the use of medicine, drugs, or spells, aka magic, sorcery, witchcraft, enchantment, etc. or, properly...
drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical arts, etc.

This is why God has prohibited the use of pharmacy, which is a capital crime under His Law (Exod. 22:18). However, instead of us listening to and obeying God, we have allowed PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT to be used to deceive the people and the nations, over two-thirds of which have already taken a poisonous injection which has already murdered millions and is about to murder billions more.

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

Revelation 18:21-23
18:21 And a mighty angel took up a Stone (Matt. 21:42) like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft [he be], shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the Earth; for by thy PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT were all nations DECEIVED.

You are looking forward to round two then?

Are medicines permitted by God (according the REAL bible)

In other threads A Freeman has presented Anthony John Hill's (i.e. the self-proclaimed JAHtruth) doctrines that drugs (as well as seeing doctors) are condemned by God under all circumstances, labelling all drugs as sorcery and witchcraft. If AJH limited his generalisations to illegal ones he...

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[Infinityloop]

Mormons, Bahais, Qadianis and Jahtruthers are all peas in a pod!

 

[elsbet's cat ^. .^]

Mormons, Bahais, Qadianis and Jahtruthers are all peas in a pod!

Don't forget the Seventh Day Adventists and their false prophet, Ellen White.

It's the same thing.

Correction--> I've never heard of the Qadianis, but it's probably safe to assume they are also unfortunately misguided.

. . .​

 

[JoChris]

Mormons, Bahais, Qadianis and Jahtruthers are all peas in a pod!

Don't forget the Jehovah's Witnesses!

 

[JoChris]

Here is why @A Freeman tried to desensitise potential readers from the pro-eugenics/ pro-euthanasia worldview via his pharmacy = sorcery entry:

3:165 If you then stop doing evil, and come out into the Light, and do God’s Will, your now sick body will heal itself, from within.
So, if you start to become ill, you should recognise it for what it is - i.e. a sign, that you have taken a step, in the wrong direction; stop, and; instead of running to the medicine-cupboard, or doctors; ask God, where you have gone wrong, then follow His guidance and continue on the right path, and the sickness will get better. However, if you continue to go in the wrong direction, your illness will get worse and worse.

Terribly broad statements which reveals at best AJH has a very shallow understanding of health and disease.
Yes complete cures are possible for some diseases which are only because of poor diet, not enough exercise, drug use, wrong thinking/ coping strategies etc.

Acute illnesses are not in that category. Chronic versus acute conditions.

What about genetic conditions? A boy with Down's Syndrome hadn't done anything wrong to be born that way.
What about negative life events like someone being hit by a car? How is a pedestrian to blame for a drunk driver hitting them?

3:166 Doctors; with their drugs, surgery and obscene machinery; temporarily relieve the body’s physical symptoms, thereby allowing you to ignore God’s signs, and continue going the wrong way, and so, unwittingly; by trying to play at being God; they are actually helping Satan, and doing you all a great deal of harm.

So doctors are sinning against God and helping Satan by saving lives and improving them.
There are no bible passages that tell Christians we are not to see doctors or take medicines to cure/ treat illnesses.

If they weren’t there, and/or didn’t profess to have the answers, you would all HAVE to ask God to help you, which is exactly what He wants you to do, and is why He sent you the sign (of being sick - Deut. 28:58-61), in the first-place. There are NONE so blind, as those who REFUSE to see.

3:167 EVERYTHING in life is for a REASON! Seek and you will FIND that reason, but you have to seek in the right place - GOD - with ALL your heart (Jeremiah 29:13).

What God said to the Israelites has nothing to do with us seeking reasons why our lives have become hard!!!!

Jeremiah chapter 29
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

3:168 If you were given a sick-body, as a punishment/Karmic debt and you do good, then, your now healthy spirit will start to heal the body, from within, or, your punishment will be terminated, and the sick-body will die, and you will get a new healthy-one, depending upon the severity of your punishment and sickness.

There is nothing in the bible to support that.
Eastern religions teach karma though.

Karma and disease - Wisdom Library [pro-eastern religions website]

3:169 Human bodies HAVE to die, or there would be no progress; no “fresh-starts”; no way to control the population-explosion, and also, no way to allow nature’s natural process to keep the breed healthy, young and strong. You can not have many more bodies, than there are souls to use them. Bodies were only designed to be prison-cells for the souls (Beings/Jinns), and are themselves worthless.

Contrast that to Psalm 139.

 

[JoChris]

The next short section in "the way home or face the fire" comments a little about Oscar Wilde's book "The picture of Dorian Gray".

That made me raise my eyebrows a bit. Surely a self-professed Jesus reborn (reincarnated) would use the works of a man of higher moral character than O.W.?
https://www.history.com/topics/gay-rights/oscar-wilde-trial

For readers: The picture of Dorian Gray

For old-style movie lovers:

Mild spoiler at 13th minute: compare it to following verses in TWHOFTF.

Edit: It is an Mature audience storyline, even though it shows no sex scenes at all.
If you do not believe you should watch it then please don't.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Don't forget the Jehovah's Witnesses!

I think at the foundation of the JAHtruth message is a false dichotomy between justification by faith and sanctification.

The words of Jesus to Nicodemus in John 3:3 (Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God) are set against the call for works to follow faith.

There is no conflict - the Lord wants us to do both.

The AJH “theology”, in attempting to reach outside John 14:6 must surely beg the question “How can you live as an unregenerate citizen of God’s Kingdom”. How can a person who denies the Cross circumnavigate Jesus’s words “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

To say that all the Lord wants from us is the strict keeping of laws is to hopelessly understand both the depth of depravity of the human heart and the love of the restored relationship God calls us to with Him.

If law-keeping alone were sufficient for Ancient Israel, God would have never instituted the sacrificial system. If adherence to the commandments could save any of us, Jesus would not have died as the Passover Lamb. The Old Covenant emphasised God’s holiness and also our shortcoming, in thought, word and deed.

I love these words

The Race of Faith

1Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.​

Greg Laurie takes up that text of the theme of a message I was listening to this morning, which prompted me to post…

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[JoChris]

3:170 God has sent many “clues” for you, about the fact that “the physical reflects the mental and spiritual”, one of which is the story, that God wrote; using the hand of Oscar Wilde; called “The Picture of Dorian Gray”, which illustrates it perfectly.

God used automatic writing to write Oscar Wilde's novel "the picture of Dorian Gray" for him?!!!!

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Be extremely careful when Google searching "automatic writing" because it belongs to the occult, just like fish belong to water.

Dangers of automatic writing - bible-knowledge

3:171 This story of Dorian Gray and his portrait, and his deal with the Devil, shows perfectly; that the physical; which Dorian transferred to the portrait, by making a deal with Satan; reflects the mental and spiritual.

3:172 Every time Dorian did something evil, the painting of himself became more and more grotesque; evil-looking; wizened and wrinkled; until he could not bear to look at his own evil soul’s effect on his body, portrayed on the canvas.

(A real) Summary and analysis of Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Gray"

.... When the picture of Dorian is finished, Dorian marvels at how young and beautiful he looks, before wishing that he could always remain as young and attractive while his portrait is the one that ages and decays, rather than the other way around. When he proclaims that he would give his soul to have such a wish granted, it’s as if he has made a pact with the devil.....

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3:173 There are other “clues”, in the story of Dorian Gray, about this reflection, and also about “HOME”.

(The movie did not show scenes about the following book),

3:174 In the story, Dorian has a book sent to him, by his friend Henry. The book is about evil deeds, and how people that do evil deeds start to look evil. The reason why no-one suspected Dorian, of doing evil deeds, was because he looked so handsome; young; innocent and healthy. They did not know that Dorian had done a deal with Satan, and that the painting was looking more and more evil and sick, instead of him.

The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde : Oscar Wilde, Standard eBooks : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Picture of Dorian Gray was first published as a serial in Lippencott’s Monthly Magazine, and the publishers thought it would so offend readers that they...

archive.org

....
His eye fell on the yellow book that Lord Henry had sent him. .....

....It was a novel without a plot and with only one character, being, indeed, simply a psychological study of a certain young Parisian who spent his life trying to realize in the nineteenth century all the passions and modes of thought that belonged to every century except his own, and to sum up, as it were, in himself the various moods through which the world-spirit had ever passed, loving for their mere artificiality those renunciations that men have unwisely called virtue, as much as those natural rebellions that wise men still call sin. ......

3:175 Dorian reads this book, in the evening, by the light of a single “bright star” (Rev. 22:16 / King of kings’ Bible, Rev. 30:16), until night falls, and he can not read any more. This is a “clue” about “HOME”, because the only star, that it could have possibly been, is the Morning/Evening Star (Venus), which is the brightest star in the sky, and can be seen before the sky goes dark, and all the others then appear.

....
Cloudless, and pierced by one solitary star, a copper-green sky gleamed through the windows. He read on by its wan light till he could read no more. Then, after his valet had reminded him several times of the lateness of the hour, he got up, and going into the next room, placed the book on the little Florentine table that always stood at his bedside and began to dress for dinner.....

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There is nothing in the novel to support what TWHOFTF implies! The book which Dorian Gray reads is anything but a WARNING about the danger of evils!!!! The book in fact poisoned his mind, in a way it desensitised him to evil.

XI
For years, Dorian Gray could not free himself from the influence of this book. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that he never sought to free himself from it. He procured from Paris no less than nine large-paper copies of the first edition, and had them bound in different colours, so that they might suit his various moods and the changing fancies of a nature over which he seemed, at times, to have almost entirely lost control. The hero, the wonderful young Parisian in whom the romantic and the scientific temperaments were so strangely blended, became to him a kind of prefiguring type of himself. And, indeed, the whole book seemed to him to contain the story of his own life, written before he had lived it.

In one point he was more fortunate than the novel’s fantastic hero. He never knew—never, indeed, had any cause to know—that somewhat grotesque dread of mirrors, and polished metal surfaces, and still water which came upon the young Parisian so early in his life, and was occasioned by the sudden decay of a beau that had once, apparently, been so remarkable. It was with an almost cruel joy—and perhaps in nearly every joy, as certainly in every pleasure, cruelty has its place—that he used to read the latter part of the book, with its really tragic, if somewhat overemphasized, account of the sorrow and despair of one who had himself lost what in others, and the world, he had most dearly valued.


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I find it hard to believe AJH read the book at all. Really.

 

[JoChris]

Don't forget the Seventh Day Adventists their false prophet, Ellen White.

It's the same thing.

Correction--> I've never heard of the Qadianis, but it's probably safe to assume they are also unfortunately misguided.

. . .​

If AJH agrees with Ellen White as well on some things it wouldn't surprise me. He seems to borrow legalism from every belief system he possibly can!

 

[A Freeman]

Here is why @A Freeman tried to desensitise potential readers from the pro-eugenics/ pro-euthanasia worldview via his pharmacy = sorcery entry:

There is no "pro-eugenics/ pro-euthanasia worldview" being introduced anywhere in The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, or anywhere else in Scripture. These are man-made, i.e. HUMAN programs designed to circumvent God's Will, His Law and the natural world that He created.

What @JoChris is again deceitfully doing is projecting her own worldview onto others, in the hope that she can accuse Christ of doing what she is actually doing.

Pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft is exactly how the medical-chemical-pharmaceutical industrial complex poisons, tortures and euthanizes its patients, or prolongs their suffering, depending upon whichever makes them the most money. If someone is so confused from working in that industry, and poisoning both their mind and body with those toxic products its no wonder they see everything upside down and backwards.

Anyone who reads the verse below should immediately recognize that it is speaking about having REAL FAITH IN GOD, i.e. listening to and believing that He is All-Powerful, Genuinely Loves you and wants only the very best for the REAL you: the spiritual-Being within.

3:165 If you then stop doing evil, and come out into the Light, and do God’s Will, your now sick body will heal itself, from within.
So, if you start to become ill, you should recognise it for what it is - i.e. a sign, that you have taken a step, in the wrong direction; stop, and; instead of running to the medicine-cupboard, or doctors; ask God, where you have gone wrong, then follow His guidance and continue on the right path, and the sickness will get better. However, if you continue to go in the wrong direction, your illness will get worse and worse.

Terribly broad statements which reveals at best AJH has a very shallow understanding of health and disease.

Very obviously spoken/written by someone sorely lacking in FAITH, who instead has places their trust in doctors and their pharmacy/sorcery/witchcraft/medicine, etc., thereby placing the doctors ABOVE God (idolatry - breaking the First and Most Important Commandment).

Yes complete cures are possible for some diseases which are only because of poor diet, not enough exercise, drug use, wrong thinking/ coping strategies etc.

Acute illnesses are not in that category. Chronic versus acute conditions.

Terribly broad statements which reveals at best a very shallow, backward human understanding of health and disease.

What about genetic conditions? A boy with Down's Syndrome hadn't done anything wrong to be born that way.
What about negative life events like someone being hit by a car? How is a pedestrian to blame for a drunk driver hitting them?

Is this where you pretend again pretend that God isn't All-Powerful, and that we supposedly don't have a perfect reward and punishment system which allows time for repentance?

Where are children born with "Downs syndrome" discussed in the Bible please? Doesn't anyone bother to think about what could be causing such modern-age genetic difficulties, the risk of which dramatically increase with the age of the birth mother? One statistic seen suggests that the odds of a woman under the age of 25 delivering a Down's syndrome baby are roughly 1 in 1400, which increases to 1 in 350 for a woman over the age of 35.

Logically, this would suggest that not only does the woman's child-bearing age has something to do with this, but what is overlooked is the exposure to the toxic environment that WE have created, where everyone swims in a near-constant sea of EMF, RF, radiation on top of the chemical pollution exposure that most experience in virtually every home every single day. Isn't that why there is virtually a ZERO incident rate of down syndrome babies in less developed countries?

Share of the population with neurodevelopmental disorders by type

The estimated share of the population with a given condition, based on statistical modeling from surveys and medical records.

ourworldindata.org

3:166 Doctors; with their drugs, surgery and obscene machinery; temporarily relieve the body’s physical symptoms, thereby allowing you to ignore God’s signs, and continue going the wrong way, and so, unwittingly; by trying to play at being God; they are actually helping Satan, and doing you all a great deal of harm.

So doctors are sinning against God and helping Satan

Correct.

by saving lives and improving them.

Are they actually "saving lives and improving them"? Or are they poisoning their patients and turning them into life-long drug addicts/customers, just as they have done with you with the insulin that you claim is "saving your life"? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

There are no bible passages that tell Christians we are not to see doctors or take medicines to cure/ treat illnesses.

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [was] exceeding [great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the "I AM", but to the physicians.
16:13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible (part 2)

From: The Way home or face The Fire by JAH, fully cross-referenced, with hyperlinks provided the supporting Scripture in the King of kings' Bible - 3:120 This is all designed to teach the soul to be a perfect lady, wife and mother, and to be humble and unselfish. 3:121 A REAL lady...

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Who is our Healer? Physicians/doctors? Or God?

Exodus 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the "I AM" thy God, and wilt do that which is right in His eyes, and wilt give ear to His Commandments, and keep all His Statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the "I AM" that healeth thee.

Only someone who lacks FAITH would choose to place their trust in physicians/doctors instead of in God. But we live in a world today where very, very few have ANY Faith, which becomes less and less each generation, exactly as prophesied (2 Thess. 2:3-4).

Luke 18:8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh*, shall he find Faith on the Earth?

*His Second Coming, happening NOW

If they weren’t there, and/or didn’t profess to have the answers, you would all HAVE to ask God to help you, which is exactly what He wants you to do, and is why He sent you the sign (of being sick - Deut. 28:58-61), in the first-place. There are NONE so blind, as those who REFUSE to see.

3:167 EVERYTHING in life is for a REASON! Seek and you will FIND that reason, but you have to seek in the right place - GOD - with ALL your heart (Jeremiah 29:13).

What God said to the Israelites has nothing to do with us seeking reasons why our lives have become hard!!!!

Wrong again!!!! Every single message in the Bible is for every single true believer on Earth. Only someone who doesn't believe the Bible, and that our Covenant promise to keep and enforce God's Law ONLY doesn't extend to everyone in this world (see: Deut. 29:9-15 which plainly states that everyone that has ever lived in this world is party to the Covenant with God).

You even live in a British/Israelite Commonwealth country, and want to pretend you don't have to obey God's Law? You're only providing further proof of not being reborn again by making such a statement (1 John 3:4-10).

Jeremiah chapter 29
11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

3:168 If you were given a sick-body, as a punishment/Karmic debt and you do good, then, your now healthy spirit will start to heal the body, from within, or, your punishment will be terminated, and the sick-body will die, and you will get a new healthy-one, depending upon the severity of your punishment and sickness.

There is nothing in the bible to support that.

Don't you get tired of being deceived and attempting to deceive others @JoChris?

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.


3:169 Human bodies HAVE to die, or there would be no progress; no “fresh-starts”; no way to control the population-explosion, and also, no way to allow nature’s natural process to keep the breed healthy, young and strong. You can not have many more bodies, than there are souls to use them. Bodies were only designed to be prison-cells for the souls (Beings/Jinns), and are themselves worthless.

Contrast that to Psalm 139.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=psalm+139&version=KJV
Contrast? The above verse is in perfect agreement with Psalm 139, which describes having FAITH in God while being here in hell.

Psalm 139 sounds like yet another reason to go to God for ALL answers and healing, given He is the ONLY One Who knows EVERYTHING, including everything about each of us.

Psalm 139:1-10
139:1 <To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.> O "I AM", Thou hast searched me, and known [me].
139:2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, Thou understandest my thought afar off.
139:3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted [with] ALL my ways.
139:4 For [there is] not a word in my tongue, [but], lo, O "I AM", Thou knowest it altogether.
139:5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid Thine hand upon me.
139:6 [Such] Knowledge [is] too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot [attain] unto it.
139:7 Where shall I go from thy spirit? Or where shall I flee from Thy presence?
139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, Thou [art] there: if I make my bed IN HELL, behold, Thou [art there].
139:9 [If] I take the wings of the morning, [and] dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
139:10 Even there shall Thy hand lead me, and Thy right hand shall hold me.

Why would anyone choose a bunch of (witch) doctors/physicians trying to play/pretend being God to work on them, who very obviously do NOT know us like God knows us, instead of God Himself? GOD KNOWS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING.

Why would anyone place their Faith in MEN (humans), instead of in God, our HEALER?

 

[A Freeman]

3:170 God has sent many “clues” for you, about the fact that “the physical reflects the mental and spiritual”, one of which is the story, that God wrote; using the hand of Oscar Wilde; called “The Picture of Dorian Gray”, which illustrates it perfectly.

God used automatic writing to write Oscar Wilde's novel "the picture of Dorian Gray" for him?!!!!

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Be extremely careful when Google searching "automatic writing" because it belongs to the occult, just like fish belong to water.

Dangers of automatic writing - bible-knowledge

3:171 This story of Dorian Gray and his portrait, and his deal with the Devil, shows perfectly; that the physical; which Dorian transferred to the portrait, by making a deal with Satan; reflects the mental and spiritual.

3:172 Every time Dorian did something evil, the painting of himself became more and more grotesque; evil-looking; wizened and wrinkled; until he could not bear to look at his own evil soul’s effect on his body, portrayed on the canvas.

(A real) Summary and analysis of Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Gray"

.... When the picture of Dorian is finished, Dorian marvels at how young and beautiful he looks, before wishing that he could always remain as young and attractive while his portrait is the one that ages and decays, rather than the other way around. When he proclaims that he would give his soul to have such a wish granted, it’s as if he has made a pact with the devil.....

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3:173 There are other “clues”, in the story of Dorian Gray, about this reflection, and also about “HOME”.

(The movie did not show scenes about the following book),

3:174 In the story, Dorian has a book sent to him, by his friend Henry. The book is about evil deeds, and how people that do evil deeds start to look evil. The reason why no-one suspected Dorian, of doing evil deeds, was because he looked so handsome; young; innocent and healthy. They did not know that Dorian had done a deal with Satan, and that the painting was looking more and more evil and sick, instead of him.

The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde : Oscar Wilde, Standard eBooks : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Picture of Dorian Gray was first published as a serial in Lippencott’s Monthly Magazine, and the publishers thought it would so offend readers that they...

archive.org

....
His eye fell on the yellow book that Lord Henry had sent him. .....

....It was a novel without a plot and with only one character, being, indeed, simply a psychological study of a certain young Parisian who spent his life trying to realize in the nineteenth century all the passions and modes of thought that belonged to every century except his own, and to sum up, as it were, in himself the various moods through which the world-spirit had ever passed, loving for their mere artificiality those renunciations that men have unwisely called virtue, as much as those natural rebellions that wise men still call sin. ......

3:175 Dorian reads this book, in the evening, by the light of a single “bright star” (Rev. 22:16 / King of kings’ Bible, Rev. 30:16), until night falls, and he can not read any more. This is a “clue” about “HOME”, because the only star, that it could have possibly been, is the Morning/Evening Star (Venus), which is the brightest star in the sky, and can be seen before the sky goes dark, and all the others then appear.

....
Cloudless, and pierced by one solitary star, a copper-green sky gleamed through the windows. He read on by its wan light till he could read no more. Then, after his valet had reminded him several times of the lateness of the hour, he got up, and going into the next room, placed the book on the little Florentine table that always stood at his bedside and began to dress for dinner.....

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There is nothing in the novel to support what TWHOFTF implies! The book which Dorian Gray reads is anything but a WARNING about the danger of evils!!!! The book in fact poisoned his mind, in a way it desensitised him to evil.

XI
For years, Dorian Gray could not free himself from the influence of this book. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that he never sought to free himself from it. He procured from Paris no less than nine large-paper copies of the first edition, and had them bound in different colours, so that they might suit his various moods and the changing fancies of a nature over which he seemed, at times, to have almost entirely lost control. The hero, the wonderful young Parisian in whom the romantic and the scientific temperaments were so strangely blended, became to him a kind of prefiguring type of himself. And, indeed, the whole book seemed to him to contain the story of his own life, written before he had lived it.

In one point he was more fortunate than the novel’s fantastic hero. He never knew—never, indeed, had any cause to know—that somewhat grotesque dread of mirrors, and polished metal surfaces, and still water which came upon the young Parisian so early in his life, and was occasioned by the sudden decay of a beau that had once, apparently, been so remarkable. It was with an almost cruel joy—and perhaps in nearly every joy, as certainly in every pleasure, cruelty has its place—that he used to read the latter part of the book, with its really tragic, if somewhat overemphasized, account of the sorrow and despair of one who had himself lost what in others, and the world, he had most dearly valued.


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I find it hard to believe AJH read the book at all. Really.

You find it hard to believe anything though that comes from God, don't you?

The PICTURE of Dorian Gray gets more twisted and ugly with each evil act that Dorian Gray commits, to illustrate exactly how Dorian Gray appears spiritually to God. The only reason Dorian Gray's outward appearance isn't affected is because of the deal he made with the devil.

Matthew 23:25-28
23:25 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
23:26 [Thou] blind politician, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
23:27 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all corruption and filthiness.
23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and inequity.

 

[JoChris]

You find it hard to believe anything though that comes from God, don't you?

The PICTURE of Dorian Gray gets more twisted and ugly with each evil act that Dorian Gray commits, to illustrate exactly how Dorian Gray appears spiritually to God. The only reason Dorian Gray's outward appearance isn't affected is because of the deal he made with the devil.

Matthew 23:25-28
23:25 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
23:26 [Thou] blind politician, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
23:27 Woe unto you, scribes (lawyers) and pharisees (politicians), hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all corruption and filthiness.
23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and inequity.

You do realise that Oscar Wilde's book is ***fiction*** don't you?

P.S. calling people liars because you disagree with them looks extremely childish.

 

[JoChris]

3:176 Doctors, by playing at God; keeping bodies alive, when they should have died, and the soul (Being/Jinn) should have received a new body; are actually causing unnecessary suffering, by prolonging people’s illnesses, and, thereby, also their punishment, and the pain they have to suffer. IF they stopped playing at God; as they should, and let the body die, as God intended; the suffering would STOP, and the soul (Being/Jinn) would get a brand-new body (human).

@A Freeman: Bible chapter and verse where:
1. God says doctors should just let people die
2. God says we will be reborn (I.e. reincarnated) with a new body

 

[A Freeman]

You do realise that Oscar Wilde's book is ***fiction*** don't you?

You do realise that fictional stories can and often do have an important moral lesson, don't you? Is God not capable of sending us a lesson in The Way He decides to be best?

P.S. calling people liars because you disagree with them looks extremely childish.
[/QUOTE]
You have never been called a liar. Some of the numerous lies that you have told have been pointed out to you, to give you the opportunity to admit your errors and/or repent of them.

Sadly you just ignore the corrections and move on to the next series of lies, so you can continue your baseless attacks.

And so that everyone can be crystal clear on this, you have exhibited a repeated pattern of dishonesty, where you say things like (paraphrased) "this isn't in the Bible" only to be shown the exact thing you just said wasn't in the Bible actually IS in the Bible (e.g. karma, don't go to doctors, do not take pharmacy, etc.). That isn't a "disagreement"; that is you making patently false statements, and being lovingly corrected.

If you stop telling lies, then there would be no need to point them out to you and others (who might be deceived by those lies). Learn to accept the correction that is being shared with you, from above. My role is simply as messenger. The correction is from Father (God).

 

[A Freeman]

3:176 Doctors, by playing at God; keeping bodies alive, when they should have died, and the soul (Being/Jinn) should have received a new body; are actually causing unnecessary suffering, by prolonging people’s illnesses, and, thereby, also their punishment, and the pain they have to suffer. IF they stopped playing at God; as they should, and let the body die, as God intended; the suffering would STOP, and the soul (Being/Jinn) would get a brand-new body (human).

@A Freeman: Bible chapter and verse where:
1. God says doctors should just let people die

Please stop with you irrational, loaded questions. God said HE is our Healer, and to steer clear of doctors, who do NOT "save lives" with pharmaceutical poisons, as you have falsely stated.

It's understood that you are emotionally tied to medicine/pharmacy/poisons and doctors, and have a vested interest in them, both professionally and personally, but that doesn't somehow make it okay or lawful to place them above God and worship them.

2. God says we will be reborn (I.e. reincarnated) with a new body

You have already been provided a link to an article which documents numerous passages in Scripture about reincarnation, and shows there is absolutely no doubt that we have been here many times before, but have chosen to disregard the article, and a lengthy list of verses likewise previously presented.

https://hannahmichaels.wordpress.com/2017/01/06/reincarnation-is-an-irrefutable-fact/

 

[JoChris]

You do realise that fictional stories can and often do have an important moral lesson, don't you? Is God not capable of sending us a lesson in The Way He decides to be best?

If you actually have made entries that specifically answer what I just asked, then please give the link/s.

If TWHOFTF is the inspired word of God (and therefore in agreement with the Bible), it should be easy to find Bible verse/s that communicate the
Commandments:
"Thou shalt not take medicines/ use doctors"
"Doctors, let thy patients dieth".

Stop the politician waffle please.
I am not going to keep arguing the point RE "I didn't call you liar (but you only ever lie)".

Showing what is in the ebook (!!!) is a much higher priority.

 

[JoChris]

3:170 God has sent many “clues” for you, about the fact that “the physical reflects the mental and spiritual”, one of which is the story, that God wrote; using the hand of Oscar Wilde; called “The Picture of Dorian Gray”, which illustrates it perfectly.

God used automatic writing to write Oscar Wilde's novel "the picture of Dorian Gray" for him?!!!!

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Be extremely careful when Google searching "automatic writing" because it belongs to the occult, just like fish belong to water.

Dangers of automatic writing - bible-knowledge

3:171 This story of Dorian Gray and his portrait, and his deal with the Devil, shows perfectly; that the physical; which Dorian transferred to the portrait, by making a deal with Satan; reflects the mental and spiritual.

3:172 Every time Dorian did something evil, the painting of himself became more and more grotesque; evil-looking; wizened and wrinkled; until he could not bear to look at his own evil soul’s effect on his body, portrayed on the canvas.

(A real) Summary and analysis of Oscar Wilde's "Picture of Dorian Gray"

.... When the picture of Dorian is finished, Dorian marvels at how young and beautiful he looks, before wishing that he could always remain as young and attractive while his portrait is the one that ages and decays, rather than the other way around. When he proclaims that he would give his soul to have such a wish granted, it’s as if he has made a pact with the devil.....

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3:173 There are other “clues”, in the story of Dorian Gray, about this reflection, and also about “HOME”.

(The movie did not show scenes about the following book),

3:174 In the story, Dorian has a book sent to him, by his friend Henry. The book is about evil deeds, and how people that do evil deeds start to look evil. The reason why no-one suspected Dorian, of doing evil deeds, was because he looked so handsome; young; innocent and healthy. They did not know that Dorian had done a deal with Satan, and that the painting was looking more and more evil and sick, instead of him.

The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde : Oscar Wilde, Standard eBooks : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Picture of Dorian Gray was first published as a serial in Lippencott’s Monthly Magazine, and the publishers thought it would so offend readers that they...

archive.org

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His eye fell on the yellow book that Lord Henry had sent him. .....

....It was a novel without a plot and with only one character, being, indeed, simply a psychological study of a certain young Parisian who spent his life trying to realize in the nineteenth century all the passions and modes of thought that belonged to every century except his own, and to sum up, as it were, in himself the various moods through which the world-spirit had ever passed, loving for their mere artificiality those renunciations that men have unwisely called virtue, as much as those natural rebellions that wise men still call sin. ......

3:175 Dorian reads this book, in the evening, by the light of a single “bright star” (Rev. 22:16 / King of kings’ Bible, Rev. 30:16), until night falls, and he can not read any more. This is a “clue” about “HOME”, because the only star, that it could have possibly been, is the Morning/Evening Star (Venus), which is the brightest star in the sky, and can be seen before the sky goes dark, and all the others then appear.

....
Cloudless, and pierced by one solitary star, a copper-green sky gleamed through the windows. He read on by its wan light till he could read no more. Then, after his valet had reminded him several times of the lateness of the hour, he got up, and going into the next room, placed the book on the little Florentine table that always stood at his bedside and began to dress for dinner.....

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There is nothing in the novel to support what TWHOFTF implies! The book which Dorian Gray reads is anything but a WARNING about the danger of evils!!!! The book in fact poisoned his mind, in a way it desensitised him to evil.

XI
For years, Dorian Gray could not free himself from the influence of this book. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that he never sought to free himself from it. He procured from Paris no less than nine large-paper copies of the first edition, and had them bound in different colours, so that they might suit his various moods and the changing fancies of a nature over which he seemed, at times, to have almost entirely lost control. The hero, the wonderful young Parisian in whom the romantic and the scientific temperaments were so strangely blended, became to him a kind of prefiguring type of himself. And, indeed, the whole book seemed to him to contain the story of his own life, written before he had lived it.

In one point he was more fortunate than the novel’s fantastic hero. He never knew—never, indeed, had any cause to know—that somewhat grotesque dread of mirrors, and polished metal surfaces, and still water which came upon the young Parisian so early in his life, and was occasioned by the sudden decay of a beau that had once, apparently, been so remarkable. It was with an almost cruel joy—and perhaps in nearly every joy, as certainly in every pleasure, cruelty has its place—that he used to read the latter part of the book, with its really tragic, if somewhat overemphasized, account of the sorrow and despair of one who had himself lost what in others, and the world, he had most dearly valued.


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I find it hard to believe AJH read the book at all. Really.

I decided to come back to my previous entry because it is so important that it should not be overlooked.

First some reminders of the character of God!

God is light.



God is holy.



God does not lie.

 

[JoChris]

God does not sin.



God does not lie.




A Christian of sound mind has control of their mind.

 

[JoChris]

3:170 God has sent many “clues” for you, about the fact that “the physical reflects the mental and spiritual”, one of which is the story, that God wrote; using the hand of Oscar Wilde; called “The Picture of Dorian Gray”, which illustrates it perfectly.

God used automatic writing to write Oscar Wilde's novel "the picture of Dorian Gray" for him?!!!!

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.
11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Be extremely careful when Google searching "automatic writing" because it belongs to the occult, just like fish belong to water.

Dangers of automatic writing - bible-knowledge

When the men of God wrote the bible, it says they were moved by the Holy Spirit: it does not say they let God write the book using their hand!



[Although I don't believe Christians can be possessed, I certainly agree that we can be oppressed by demons if we haven't repented of our sins]

Automatic writing exposed - Jesus Truth deliverance

Channeling and automatic writing - Christian Answers for the New Age

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Throughout the movie, Oscar Wilde's "picture of Dorian Gray" there was no message suggesting that we should follow God's commandments. There is no mention of the Gospel or repentance.

For a split second Dorian Gray appears to consider stopping doing evil deeds because his picture was getting so ugly. That was it.

How JAHTruth- the self-proclaimed Jesus reborn -could think using a novel written a man "of loose morals" (by the 19th century's standards) was acceptable for his new religion's 'the way home or face the fire" - shows the heart of the man is anything but Christlike.

The character Dorian Gray was an anti-hero. He was anyone but a man who followed the commandments like AJH claims we must do if we don't want to "face the fire".

 

[A Freeman]

If you actually have made entries that specifically answer what I just asked, then please give the link/s.

If TWHOFTF is the inspired word of God (and therefore in agreement with the Bible), it should be easy to find Bible verse/s that communicate the
Commandments:
"Thou shalt not take medicines/ use doctors"

Already provided, and apparently ignored (see Exod. 22:18; 2 Chron. 16:12-13; Acts 8:9-25; Gal. 5:19-21; and Rev. 18:23). All it requires to be healed is FAITH (trust in God, NOT in witch doctors, dressed up in silly white coats).

Mark 6:4-6
6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A Prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed [them].
6:6 And he marvelled BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

God and His Servants have the power to heal for those who actually believe.

All those who do not believe in God's Healing power seek human physicians/doctors instead (just as Asa did, before he died).

"Doctors, let thy patients dieth".

Already addressed, and apparently ignored. If someone is administering known poisons, whether they are fast acting or slow acting, they are murdering their patients/victims. "Thou shalt not murder" covers that (Exod. 20:13; Deut. 5:17). See also Exod. 22:18 concerning the use of pharmacy, as previously shared.

God is our Healer (Exod. 15:26) as evidenced through all of His Prophets and finally through His Son (Christ)

Stop the politician waffle please.

As above please. These have already been addressed, but you continue to ignore the very verses you've requested. As long as you do so, you will remain in ignorance.

On the subject of waffling, you still haven't provided one single verse where Jesus claimed to be God. Still waiting on that one.

The reason that request was made, is because you are using that lie as the basis for comparison, attempting to build on that foundation of quicksand. And that is why the rock-solid truth that is shared in The Way home or face The Fire by JAH eludes you (Matt. 11:27).

I am not going to keep arguing the point RE "I didn't call you liar (but you only ever lie)".

There's nothing for you to argue. As soon as you repent from telling all of the lies you continue to tell (like pretending above that these questions haven't already been addressed and answered with actual Bible verses), the sooner the exposure of those lies will end.

It is possible for people to make unintentional errors and then to correct them, when someone lovingly points those errors out to them. That is what you need to do (acknowledge your errors) to begin healing yourself from within, with God's Help.

Showing what is in the ebook (!!!) is a much higher priority.

Agreed. Everyone should read The Way home or face The Fire by JAH for themselves, and not waste time with your satanic commentary trying to twist its meaning for them.

But that is part of the controlling nature that those incarnated inside of female bodies are supposed to be overcoming with God's Help.