Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

[lightseeker]

I found an old looking blog of someone who went through TWHOFTF and pointed out a lot of the falsehoods within it. One interesting part is ---

"*Satan is not omnipresent and omniscient as God is. His spirit can’t be everywhere at once, and he can’t read everyone’s thoughts and put thoughts in everyone’s head at once. He does have help by the other fallen angels, but we don’t all walk around with Satan reading all of our thoughts at once. Satan is not an equal to God’s Holy Spirit. PERIOD"

I think this gives a very complete view of how AJH mind controls his subjects. He tells them Satan lives in all their minds and any reasoning they have against AJH false doctrine is Satan speaking. This no doubt becomes incredibly strong in a community who all tell you this if you ever raise one of the million questions about how irrational ajh is.

Also they say on the blog that ajh teaches all emotions are animal and must be overcome. Nevermind that both God and Jesus have emotions in the Bible. But that also shows the mind control in the group, any emotion of anger for example if ajh tries to sexually abuse you or demands all your money is just the animal. Then pile on top how he says your soul isn't the living breath of God it's actually a being that was evil from day 1 and you can see how deep these people fall into a group hypnosis.

Link

End Time Church of God - The False Prophet Jah Truth

 

[JoChris]

1:9 Not executing Lucifer and his angels, outright, created quite a difficult situation.

This made me laugh. It is SO understated. It sounds so British upper middle class in fact.

1:10 They had to be taught to keep the twelve laws of heaven; THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS (see appendix);
NOTE: the APPENDIX, not the real bible.

ten of which were given to Moses on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:1-17),
Correct. Exodus 20:1-17

and the eleventh and twelfth, which were given later-on, by Jesus;
NO, NO. Jesus did not say there were two more commandments. He gave the summary of the Law!

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him [JESUS] a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

If someone has reading comprehension and familiarity with the 10 commandments, they should realise that:

*a person is demonstrating love for GOd by the obeying first 4 commandments
* a person is showing they love their neighbour as themself by obeying the following 6 commandments.

one of which God demonstrated and still demonstrates, i.e. “love your enemies into being good.”
There is no result for that exact phrase in either Google or Duckduckgo.

He did this by giving you a chance, and the opportunity of learning to be good, even though you had intended, and actually tried, to kill Him.
Did he actually call Jesus GOD there?!

This demonstrates perfectly, God’s gentle use of strength.
AJH's own opinion there.

 

[JoChris]

I found an old looking blog of someone who went through TWHOFTF and pointed out a lot of the falsehoods within it. One interesting part is ---

"*Satan is not omnipresent and omniscient as God is. His spirit can’t be everywhere at once, and he can’t read everyone’s thoughts and put thoughts in everyone’s head at once. He does have help by the other fallen angels, but we don’t all walk around with Satan reading all of our thoughts at once. Satan is not an equal to God’s Holy Spirit. PERIOD"

I think this gives a very complete view of how AJH mind controls his subjects. He tells them Satan lives in all their minds and any reasoning they have against AJH false doctrine is Satan speaking. This no doubt becomes incredibly strong in a community who all tell you this if you ever raise one of the million questions about how irrational ajh is.

Also they say on the blog that ajh teaches all emotions are animal and must be overcome. Nevermind that both God and Jesus have emotions in the Bible. But that also shows the mind control in the group, any emotion of anger for example if ajh tries to sexually abuse you or demands all your money is just the animal. Then pile on top how he says your soul isn't the living breath of God it's actually a being that was evil from day 1 and you can see how deep these people fall into a group hypnosis.

Link

End Time Church of God - The False Prophet Jah Truth

That is probably the ONLY non-JAHtruth link I have ever found directly exposing what Anthony John Hill teaches. There are a only few mentions of JAHtruth on other forums as well. Thankfully on the surface it doesn't appear the religion has spread far.... YET.
I bet there are a lot of people who are at least very sympathetic to AJH and therefore more influenced by him than we would like to think though.

 

[lightseeker]

He did this by giving you a chance, and the opportunity of learning to be good, even though you had intended, and actually tried, to kill Him.
Did he actually call Jesus GOD there?!

No, I'm pretty sure, not being facetious, that AJH teaches god is a gentleman that lives on Venus and the luciferic spirits tried to kill him. Freeman denies this but it's in TWHOFTF and also he wrote judgement day is exactly like Close Encounter of the Third Kind, where God comes on a spaceship.

1:10 They had to be taught to keep the twelve laws of heaven; THE TWELVE COMMANDMENTS (see appendix);
NOTE: the APPENDIX, not the real bible

Had a good laugh there.

and the eleventh and twelfth, which were given later-on, by Jesus;
NO, NO. Jesus did not say there were two more commandments. He gave the summary of the Law!

Well said. Jesus gave many imperative statements but he never said any of them were to be tacked onto the 10 commandments. He just said love of God and neighbor as oneself is the summary of the whole law. Such poor biblical understanding.

 

[JoChris]

What does it say in the next verse?

I was referring only to that exact phrase I underlined.
.... created quite a difficult situation.
The British are good* at understating the obvious. I continued on to the next verse immediately after the video clip.

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* translation: remarkably skilled at it in fact, and it is essential for British humour. Australians love it about our parent country in fact! https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish

 

[JoChris]

No, I'm pretty sure, not being facetious, that AJH teaches god is a gentleman that lives on Venus and the luciferic spirits tried to kill him. Freeman denies this but it's in TWHOFTF and also he wrote judgement day is exactly like Close Encounter of the Third Kind, where God comes on a spaceship.

You have a great memory for all the details! I only read 20 pages and then got fed up with it all. It is such a blend of different belief systems it is easy to get confused!
I am just going verse via verse obviously, like I have heard Christian apologists do when they review sermons and then contrast it with the bible.

 

[JoChris]

Continuing on with the book of JAHtruth:

1:11 Jesus gave the new COMMANDMENT, “Love one another as I have loved you,” to his disciples (John 13:34 & 15:12).

That is mostly correct, but Jesus doesn't actually say it is an additional 11th or 12th commandment like "the way home or face the fire" ebook does.

13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

He was telling them to love their enemies and to teach them, by loving them...



because the disciples had originally been his enemies, in the war (Rev. 12:7)

WHAT?!!!!!
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels....

The disciples were originally the dragon and his angels?!!!! No, Anthony John Hill can't have meant that surely....

I then thought to myself:
If that is actually unintentional, this self-created ebook is a striking example of the downside of people being able to post ebooks online without proof-readers and publishers giving the thumbs up first. However I was wrong to give the benefit of the doubt....

or they would not have been here, in prison (Isaiah 14:12-15)(Luke 9:55 & Rev. 12:8)(Sura 17:8 & 83:7).

I must have been in shock. It really was what I had read first.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [SATAN], son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Luke 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

From quran.com
Quran 17:8 Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you ˹if you repent˺, but if you return ˹to sin˺, We will return ˹to punishment˺. And We have made Hell a ˹permanent˺ confinement for the disbelievers.”

Quran 83:7 But no! The wicked are certainly bound for Sijjîn1 ˹in the depths of Hell˺

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No further comments should be needed here, however just in case further clarification is needed:

The twelve apostles were not Satan, Satan's angels, or disbelievers in Jesus/ Muhammad.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I was referring only to that exact phrase I underlined.
.... created quite a difficult situation.
The British are good* at understating the obvious. I continued on to the next verse immediately after the video clip.

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* translation: remarkably skilled at it in fact, and it is essential for British humour. Australians love it about our parent country in fact! https://twitter.com/SoVeryBritish

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I loved the response of the late Queen to the allegations by Megan and Harry…

 

[JoChris]

1:12 Loving your enemies does NOT mean allowing them to do evil, or to get away with doing evil; or allowing them to persuade YOU to do evil things; or to stop YOU from doing what God wants YOU to do.

CORRECT!!!!




Just like when Satan used Peter, to try to stop Jesus from doing God’s Will, and Jesus said to Satan, who was speaking through Peter, “Get thee behind me Satan” (Matt. 16:23)

For full context:
Matthew 16: 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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1:13 The twelfth COMMANDMENT, also given later, by Jesus, is: “YOU shall NOT judge.” He who judges another, condemns himself (Matt. 7:1).
Note: AJH only quoted half the verse- Judge not, that ye be not judged.

This verse is now one of the most frequently misused verses, usually because the user is attempting to shut Christians up. Jesus then explains further and tells us to not judge hypocritically too.
Whole passage Matthew 7:1-5

This applies to ALL of you, especially in your courts. God has given HIS Judgements and Laws, as well as THE COMMANDMENTS, and anyone else’s judgements and laws are TOTALLY UNLAWFUL. IF everyone kept THE COMMANDMENTS there would be absolutely no problems on Earth.

JAHtruth is judging that anyone else's judgements and laws but his KoK's "bible" are unlawful. He is breaking his own 12th commandment there.
If no-one is to judge EVER under any circumstances - then Anthony John Hill and all his followers should obey TWHOFTHF and stop judging King Charles III and his wife for adultery to their first spouses.
In fact, if he truly obeys all his commandments JAHtruth should erase every page that criticises another person in any way at all.
@A Freeman should remove all the articles condemning King Charles III from the https://gibraltar-messenger.net/

 

[JoChris]

I loved the response of the late Queen to the allegations by Megan and Harry…

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The Queen's several carefully chosen words given to the trusted press compared to ex-Prince Harry's many words given to anyone would pay....

It comes pretty close to a picture says a thousand words.
And everyone knows who has kept people's respect.

 

[A Freeman]

Christ, to His Disciples about keeping The Law/Commandments of God:-

Matthew 5:17-20
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till ALL be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

God's Word in His Law:-

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I COMMAND thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to KEEP His Commandments and His Statutes and His JUDGMENTS, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

Christ, to His Disciples:-

Matthew 7:6-15
7:6 Give not that which is Holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
7:9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
7:11 IF YE THEN, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask Him?
7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is The Law and the Prophets.
7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it.
7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

God's Word in His Law:-

Deuteronomy 7:6-15
7:6 For thou [art] an holy people unto the "I AM" thy God: the "I AM" thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that [are] upon the face of the earth.
7:7 The "I AM" did not set His love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye [were] the fewest of all people:
7:8 But because the "I AM" loved you, and because He would keep the Oath which He had sworn unto your fathers, hath the "I AM" brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
7:9 Know therefore that the "I AM" thy God, He [is] God, the faithful God, which keepeth Covenant and mercy with them that LOVE Him and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS to a thousand generations;
7:10 And repayeth them that hate (or disobey) Him to their face, to destroy them: He will not be slack to him that hateth (or disobeyeth) Him, He will repay him to his face.
7:11 THOU SHALT THEREFORE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS, AND THE STATUTES, AND THE JUDGMENTS, WHICH I COMMAND THEE THIS DAY, TO DO THEM.
7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these Judgments, and keep, and do them, that the "I AM" thy God shall keep unto thee The Covenant and the mercy which He sware unto thy fathers:
7:13 And He will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: He will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which He sware unto thy fathers to give thee.
7:14 Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
7:15 And the "I AM" will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all [them] that hate thee.

God has very clearly and plainly stated that we are to OBEY Him and KEEP HIS LAW/COMMANDMENTS, WITH HIS STATUTES AND HIS JUDGMENTS, FOUND ONLY IN HIS LAW.

The word "Satan" means "the Opposer" (God's Adversary). Anyone telling people the exact opposite of what God and His Christ tell us is very obviously working for Satan.

ALL of God's Prophets and Christ's Disciples, though they be very few in number, have taught that we MUST remember and return to keeping The Law, i.e. OBEY GOD ONLY (Mal. 4; Acts 5:29-32). THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO LIVE (John 10:1-18; John 14:6). That is The Way, The Truth and The Life.

ALL those who work for Satan, who are MANY in number, teach the exact opposite, i.e. that we can continue to sin/do evil/disobey God/break His Law/refuse to keep God's JUDGMENTS (which are perfect), and that allegedly we won't join Satan in The Fire on Judgment Day for doing so, which is a LIE.

Christ's True Disciples will seek Him (Jer. 29:13; Matt. 7:7-8), recognize Him (John 1:10), hear His Voice (John 10:1-18); follow Him (Rev. 14:1-4), and LOVE Him (John 14:15).

Satan, and all who refuse to repent and return to The Law, and thus continue to follow Satan and do his bidding (wittingly or otherwise), will continue to attack God's Law/Commandments and His Christ, and Christ's Disciples, because they do not know Christ, nor love Christ, Whom Father (God) sent to deliver His (Father's) Message of Truth.

 

[A Freeman]

This is very, very simple.

Those who believe, exercise and advocate obedience to God ONLY and DOING His Will ONLY very obviously work for God and are sharing God’s Truth. They are very FEW in number, exactly as Christ says.

Those who attack the above and attempt to teach the exact opposite, placing their trust instead in worldly institutions and their own worldly, satanic traditions, very obviously are working for Satan. They are MANY in number, exactly as Christ says.

Satan, through his worldly institutions, like corporate fictional CHURCH and STATE (Enoch 58:1), teaches people that it’s okay to continue sinning, because “Jesus covered all of our sins past, present and future, so we can keep sinning/breaking The Law”, even though Christ COMMANDED us to keep The Law (Matt. 5:17-20; Luke 16:16-17) and to “be ye perfect, even as your Father in heaven IS perfect” (Matt. 5:48).

1 John 2:1-5
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2:2 And he is the atonement for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.
2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Jesus died for our PAST sins, to provide us with a New Covenant and final opportunity to come to our senses, AND STOP SINNING/BEING EVIL.

Romans 3:23-26
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
3:24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath fore-ordained [to be] an atonement through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth Jesus.

1 John 3:4-13
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the Beginning (Alpha), that we should love one another.
3:12 Not as Cain, [who] was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.

God Bless.

 

[A Freeman]

The Way home is through FAITH (trust in God), proven by the KEEPING of God's Law/Commandments (Matt. 5:17-20), and the DOING of God's Will (Matt. 6:9-13), exactly as Christ teaches by thought, word and deed/action (John 14:6; Sura 3:55).

There is no other way home. All others WILL face The Fire, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years (Rev. 20:12-15; Sura 9:17).

 

[A Freeman]

Our Reality:-

Matthew 7:13-14
7:13 Enter ye in at the "Strait" gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because Strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] The Way, which leadeth unto Life, and FEW there be that find it.

Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but FEW chosen.

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but FEW [are] chosen.

Matthew 24:37-39
24:37 But as the days of Noah [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before The Flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until The Flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

Luke 13:23-24
13:23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there FEW that be saved? And he said unto them,
13:24 Strive to enter in at the "Strait Gate": for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Luke 17:26-33
17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man.
17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed [them] all.
17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

Luke 19:27 But THOSE mine enemies, which would NOT that I should REIGN OVER THEM, bring here, and SLAY [them] before me.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein FEW, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Revelation 7:4-9
7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 14:1-4
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the Mount Sion, and WITH him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
14:3 And they sung as it were a New Song (Isaiah 42:10) before the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that "Song" except the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the Earth.
14:4 These are they which were not corrupted by women; for they are pure. These are they which follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb (obeying God NOT women).

Revelation 20:12-15
20:12 And I saw the "Dead", small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another Book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life: and the "Dead" were judged out of those things which were written in the Books, according to their works.
20:13 And the "sea" gave up the "Dead" which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their WORKS.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the "Lake of Fire". This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the "Lake of Fire".

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Sura 18:102-106
18:102. Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors against Me? Verily We have prepared Hell-Fire for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.
18:103. Say: "Shall we tell you of those who lose most in respect of their deeds?-
18:104. Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life, while they thought that they were acquiring good by their works (Matt. 7:21-24)?"
18:105. They are those who deny the Signs of their Lord and the fact of their having to meet Him (in the Hereafter): vain will be their works, nor shall We, on The Day of Judgment, give them any weight.
18:106. That is their reward, Hell-Fire; because they rejected Faith, and took My Signs and My Messengers as a joke.

Sura 31:30-31
31:30. That is because "I AM" is the (ONLY) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood (and therefore Fantasy); and because "I AM",- He is the Most High, Most Great.
31:31. Seest thou not that the ships sail through the Ocean by the Grace of "I AM"- that He may show you of His Signs? Verily in this are Signs for all who constantly persevere and give thanks.

 

[The Sojourner]

Continuing on with the book of JAHtruth:

1:11 Jesus gave the new COMMANDMENT, “Love one another as I have loved you,” to his disciples (John 13:34 & 15:12).

That is mostly correct, but Jesus doesn't actually say it is an additional 11th or 12th commandment like "the way home or face the fire" ebook does.

13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

He was telling them to love their enemies and to teach them, by loving them...

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because the disciples had originally been his enemies, in the war (Rev. 12:7)

WHAT?!!!!!
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels....

The disciples were originally the dragon and his angels?!!!! No, Anthony John Hill can't have meant that surely....

I then thought to myself:
If that is actually unintentional, this self-created ebook is a striking example of the downside of people being able to post ebooks online without proof-readers and publishers giving the thumbs up first. However I was wrong to give the benefit of the doubt....

or they would not have been here, in prison (Isaiah 14:12-15)(Luke 9:55 & Rev. 12:8)(Sura 17:8 & 83:7).

I must have been in shock. It really was what I had read first.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [SATAN], son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Luke 9:51 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,
52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

From quran.com
Quran 17:8 Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you ˹if you repent˺, but if you return ˹to sin˺, We will return ˹to punishment˺. And We have made Hell a ˹permanent˺ confinement for the disbelievers.”

Quran 83:7 But no! The wicked are certainly bound for Sijjîn1 ˹in the depths of Hell˺

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No further comments should be needed here, however just in case further clarification is needed:

The twelve apostles were not Satan, Satan's angels, or disbelievers in Jesus/ Muhammad.

Jesus said this to the Jews. Note, that they were all human beings and his disciples (who were Jews but which believed him) were also Jews and human beings too.

King of kings' Bible, John
8:22 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed him, If ye continue in my Word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;
8:23 And ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free.
8:24 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
8:25 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the prisoner of sin.
8:26 And the prisoner abideth not in the prison-house for ever (only until The Reaping): [but] the Son Liveth for ever.
8:27 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
8:28 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my Word (the Truth) hath no place in you.
8:29 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father (Lucifer - Satan).
8:30 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham (Sura 16:123; 60:4).
8:31 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the Truth, which I have heard of God: this did NOT Abraham.
8:32 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, [even] God.
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.
8:37 Which of you convicteth me of sin? And if I say the Truth, why do ye not believe me?
8:38 He that is of God heareth God's Words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
8:39 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
8:40 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
8:41 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
8:42 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see "Death".
8:43 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
8:44 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
8:45 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of Whom ye say, that He is your God:
8:46 Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
8:47 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.
8:48 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet FIFTY years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:49 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am (ch. 17:5).
8:50 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of The Temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

They were all Jews, yet Jesus said to them, that they were of their father the Devil (Lucifer) - except if they loved him (Jesus).
So that means that his disciples, i.e. those who loved him, were no longer considered to be the children of the Devil by him, because they loved him.
Yet, they were all human beings and Jews.
Some identified by Jesus, as being the children of their father the Devil (Lucifer) and some, no longer considered to be the children of the Devil (Lucifer) by him (and by God).
Yet, Jesus extended to them all (those whose father was/is still the Devil/Lucifer) the invitation, to love him and by doing so, to become the (adopted) children of God.
Which invitation they REJECTED - thereby REMAINING the CHILDREN of their father, the Devil/Lucifer (the FALLEN ANGEL - Rev. 12:7).

So, that means that if we love him (GENUINELY), and therefore choose to obey him, THEN (and ONLY then) will we not ALSO be considered to be the CHILDREN of the Devil (Lucifer), but to be the (adopted) children of God.
IF we love Him, then we also have to obey him, and keep His Commandments.
Those who say that they love Him, but who do not keep His Commandments, are lying.

Therefore it is manifested, that we are the CHILDREN of W/whom we choose to obey (love).
If we obey God, then we are God's children.
If we obey Satan, then we are Satan's children.
We must choose W/whom we will obey.

 

[lightseeker]

One of the central ways that AJH establishes his false doctrine seems to be an ignorance of chronology. More simply, it is taking biblical passages out of context, as we know. We see his followers do this when they quote disparate passages to weave together a narrative that is not in the original meaning.

For example, they take John 8, you are of your Father the devil, and put it at the beginning of the Bible, saying that Adam was literally born of the devil. And ignore the context and chronology, that Adam was born of the breath of God, and then later was corrupted by the fall, and Jesus spoke to them in this chronological context.
And of course they take one of the final passages of the Bible, Michael subduing the dragon, and put it before the beginning, saying it happened on Venus zillions of years ago, when in fact, John was seeing it as a vision of the future.
They also use this passage to say that Michael is christ, when christ tells us who he is in Revelation. He tells us by quoting isaiah 44 - “I am the first and I am the last,
and apart from me there is no God"
He sat on the throne of God and said-
am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Rev 21
Jesus who will
1. Remain after the heavens pass away
2.created all the beings of the heavens
3.is worshipped by all the angels.
Which Freeman has been asked to explain how this could be the angel michael and he hasn't even tried, because he knows he cannot do so. Nevertheless, he will not change what he believes because he believes Satan is an omnipresent being who lives in his mind and everyone else's, and the thoughts that tell him it's irrational that Michael created all the angels, will remain after creation, and is worshipped by the angels is illogical are thoughts that come from Satan due to his unfortunate cult programming

 

[A Freeman]

One of the central ways that AJH establishes his false doctrine seems to be an ignorance of chronology. More simply, it is taking biblical passages out of context, as we know. We see his followers do this when they quote disparate passages to weave together a narrative that is not in the original meaning.

For example, they take John 8, you are of your Father the devil, and put it at the beginning of the Bible, saying that Adam was literally born of the devil. And ignore the context and chronology, that Adam was born of the breath of God, and then later was corrupted by the fall, and Jesus spoke to them in this chronological context.
And of course they take one of the final passages of the Bible, Michael subduing the dragon, and put it before the beginning, saying it happened on Venus zillions of years ago, when in fact, John was seeing it as a vision of the future.
They also use this passage to say that Michael is christ, when christ tells us who he is in Revelation. He tells us by quoting isaiah 44 - “I am the first and I am the last,
and apart from me there is no God"
He sat on the throne of God and said-
am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." Rev 21
Jesus who will
1. Remain after the heavens pass away
2.created all the beings of the heavens
3.is worshipped by all the angels.
Which Freeman has been asked to explain how this could be the angel michael and he hasn't even tried, because he knows he cannot do so. Nevertheless, he will not change what he believes because he believes Satan is an omnipresent being who lives in his mind and everyone else's, and the thoughts that tell him it's irrational that Michael created all the angels, will remain after creation, and is worshipped by the angels is illogical are thoughts that come from Satan due to his unfortunate cult programming

More lies?

The King of kings' Bible may be the only Bible that has all of the books in chronological order.

You have already been provided with irrefutable proof that Prince Michael is Christ. Please read the following post again, in this thread:

Comparison of JAHtruth's "The way home or face the Fire" to the bible

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The reason you are either incapable or unwilling to accept these facts is because you apparently don't know what the word/number one means, or what two or three are either. That's what the "trinity" delusion does to people; it fills their minds with total rubbish, so that they cannot even keep the First Commandment, to Love God with all of one's heart, mind, soul and strength, and serve and obey Him ONLY.

Before you came up with the Roman Catholic nonsensical list of the alleged hierarchy of angels, which you were called out on for trying to pawn it off as Biblical (which you finally had to admit it wasn't), you were asked to provide one verse in Scripture that specifically tells us that God is three persons in one.

You have yet to do that, because you can't do that. If you can find any verse that specifically tells us that God is three persons in one, then please do it.

The "Johannine Comma" in 1 John 5:7-8, which Roman Catholicism added to the Bible (hence the reason most newer Bible version omit it) doesn't say that, and neither does Matthew 28:19, which likewise added the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit". Neither of these passages had that phrase in their earlier, Greek texts. And besides that, even those verses with the added text don't tell us that God is three persons in one.

So please prove to everyone that you aren't lying, and that the Bible does tell us that God is a three-person in one "trinity", so we can be reassured it isn't just another Roman Catholic doctrine that you are pretending is in the Bible. It ought to be in the Bible plenty of times if it is defining God for us.

As soon as you either provide us with that proof, or admit that there is no such 3-in-1 terminology in the Bible, additional evidence that Prince Michael is Christ will be gladly provided.

Thank-you. God Bless.

 

[lightseeker]

As soon as you either provide us with that proof, or admit that there is no such 3-in-1 terminology in the Bible, additional evidence that Prince Michael is Christ will be gladly provided

Sure, along with 1 John and Matthew verses that you mentioned that explicitly mention the father son and the holy spirit, there is John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God... and the Word became flesh (in Jesus). Not Michael, the word of God which was God. Done.

Now will you ever answer how Michael will
1. Remain after the heavens pass away
2.created all the beings of the heavens
3.is worshipped by all the angels.
Like Paul says Christ is?
Or should I just stop asking because you know you can't and just change the subject like you did there? Any discussion other than answering these 3 numbered questions I will take as a tacit admission that you cannot answer

 

[lightseeker]

“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son"
God is the speaker here, he says he will pour our a spirit that will cause repentance, and the people will look on him as the one they have pierced.

"Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me"
God is speaking here and says that God and His spirit sent him to speak.

I and the Father are one - Jesus.

Should I keep going until Freeman answers the questions? Anyone want to bet if he'll choose to talk about a different subject rather than answer the 3 questions I've put to him a half dozen times?

 

[lightseeker]

"Let US create man in OUR image." God refers to himself as a plurality.
God in this passage being Elohim, im being a masculine plural suffix. And no there's no royal we in Hebrew.

I bet hmmm let's see idk 25 push up that's Freeman WILL NOT answer the 3 questions I put to him half a dozen times and will answer a question of his own making anyone else want to bet anything? Odds are in your favor he's dodged them for a few days