I have been studying Bible prophecy for a while and have heard a full spectrum of interpretations.
One thing I will say is that a particular interpretation of God’s plans as revealed through prophecy will not become less true because we reinterpret or doubt. Neither will they become more true because we believe the interpretation, watch numerous YouTube videos and spend money on books that back up that view.
I have a perspective of how things might pan out in the possibly near future based on certain interpretable presuppositions (futurist prophetic interpretation and the belief that God has gathered the Jews back to Israel in unbelief for His purposes). You have other views, specifically preterism and the de-legitimisation of modern Israel.
These views are incompatible and would lead most to be conventionally rude to one another for holding such opposing positions. For me, there is too much happening too fast to bother about personal rivalries.
1) the issue is more that you have been proven wrong on various points several times, yet continued to pepper the same arguments about without backtracking. How does that work? you are either loyal to your own ego/identity and personal narratives, or you are loyal to TRUTH.
you cannot deny that ive challenged my own sense of truth many times, given that as a muslim ive read the bible and accepted that Jesus was crucified and in doing so ive been called a kafir by certain muslims. My loyalty is to truth, not to my ego. I can challenge my views.
2)
this is not opinion, it is a matter of fact when you understand scripture clearly..
I presented Zechariah 13 and broke it down, explanining that the true remnant never left the holy land. That there is no idea of a JEWISH return except in the old testament contexts concerning the return from Babylon. All the other verses which speak of a return, speak of an end times ISRAEL in the true sense, as in all 12 tribes of israel. This is a messianic context aswell. Hence Ezekiel 38. Yet you have butchered Ezekiel 38, applied it to modern israel. I've then gone on to dissect it and prove to you that not only does this chapter have nothing to with modern israel, israel is in fact the total opposite in every single identifier of messianic israel. What does that make israel, if it is very very purposefully acting the complete opposite to messianic archetypes and ideals? this is no subjective shit....nor is it an unfair comparison in terms of modern relevance.
ezekiel 38 a land without borders, gates, walls etc....clearly this is something only a messianic utopia type nation could attain. No nation on earth could currently exist wihout. Yet with israel, rather than a land without borders, it is utterly obsessed, lives and dies for it's border, expanding it. it's flag literally contains symbols of the 2 rivers...it's intent clear, from the nile to euphrates.
no weapons, a peaceful and unsuspecting nation..
they literally brag about their military technology. your gay israeli friend amir tsarfati who looks camp like fkin louis spence (another reason i despise him) is not a peaceful man, but a man constantly stirring sh**, fermenting war between east and west.
'unsuspecting' gives us mossad and memri tv.
once i mentioned this, you should have apologised and accepted that you will never ever highlight any part of Ezekiel 38 towards israel. yet you did so on the basis that 'future doe'.
You linked to Zechariah 12 and applied it to modern israel. Yet Zechariah 12 is linked to Ezekiel 38 and pertains tot he Gog & Magog event. Whilst Zechariah 13 links to luke 21 and hence the roman destruction of Jerusalem. Zech 12 is about that future end times messianic israel whereas Zechariah 13, as in luke 21, is about a punishment whereupon we see a clear difference between the true remnant and the synagogue of satan.
look how clear this is?
“But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me.
22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.
you can accept the above event is not the same as the Gog & Magog event.
Jesus told the true jews, his remnant, to flee to the mountains..
so we can see clearly how the true remnant survived and were not subject to that punishment.
2) you like to believe in this idea of a correction...which again links back to Zechariah 13 where it says
In the whole land,” declares the Lord,
“two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.
9 This third I will put into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’
and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”
however, based on luke 21, i understand that this 'refining' doesnt apply to the actual invasion event itself, but to what occurred just prior to that
12 “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.
again, this is the camp who survived the roman destruction of jerusalem, because they followed the word of Jesus
20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written.
yet what you've tried to claim is that the muslims are gog and magog, are planning on jumping israel...and in that event, in the midst of war....a 'refining' will occur. scripture does not indicate that..based on the proof above.
the ezekiel 38 event is not a 'refining' event...it is a messianic event upon an already perfect people. they arent sinners who are corrected in the event...they're already a remnant.
3)
even the argument that muslims are gog and magog was absolute nonsense..and you never apologised or said "i was wrong".
i broke it down...
example
-the persians who existed in the bible era, are not the same as the persians living in iran today. that is because islam conquered the sassanian empire and originally the true farsi people were sufi-sunni.
modern iran only became shia a few centuries ago under the Safavids, a foreign people.
Shiism did not become fully established until the reign of Abbas I of Persia (1587–1629). Abbas hated the Sunnis, and forced the population to accept Twelver Shiism. Thus by 1602 most of the formerly Sunnis of Iran had accepted Shiism.
the safavids were actually kurds who were persecuted by the ottomans and decided to turn shia and then take iran, turn it shia.
the context in the modern age, is that iran is turning ATHIEST and hence the future gog and magog version of persia is a satanic type of iran which modern israel absolutely wishes for.
hence even in islamic prophecy it speaks of the jewish antichrist/false messiah, having an army of 70k jews from isfahan. today not even 70k jews exist there. Future iran is very much in sync with modern israel. Regime change is coming.
likewise, the lands corresponding to modern turkey, in the old testament context, were not turkic. Turks were from central asia and conquered that area. So in the future gog and magog invasion, the 'people' associated with the land of turkey in the old testament context, would likely come from the Armenia or greece.
if it's the scythian people, they are all over. the norse/vikings were originally scythians too. turks are not scythians. they scythians had departed long before.
besides...turks today are also turning athiest. the muslim connection to turkey was certainly not a gog and magog connection, given the ottomans ruled the holy land for centures...
care to accept you were entirely wrong on this point? if not then you're worshipping your inner serpent and hence arent a real christian.
stillt hough, the fact you ever made those points shows how much these war monger satanists in israel have brainwashed you.
a peaceful and unsuspecting people...lol
Sam Harris: am athiest, we should nuke the entire muslim world because islam is the problem.
bolsheviks: we are athiest, we should murder every orthodox christian because christianity is the problem, let's also loot the church of it's
when will you talk about these things? did the rothschild family own the british east india trading company? did it loot the equivalent of $42 TRILLION from india?
en.wikipedia.org
go by the standards set in Habakkuk 2 and other chapters
The
Sassoon family, known as
"Rothschilds of the East" due to the immense wealth they accumulated in finance and opium trade,
[1] are a
Baghdadi Jewish family.
OPIUM AND USURY.
From the 18th century, the Sassoons were one of the wealthiest families in the world, with a corporate empire spanning the entire continent of Asia
all of these families have funded your so called messianic state of israel. it is a state created by drug dealers, usurers and pimps....
'but god luvddeded dem doeee, but god always faithful doeee"
my judgement is based on the standards set within the bible
"the world was drunk on the madenning wine of her adulteries"
"she led the world astray through her adulteries"
this forum/website itself is constantly highlighting hollywood/music elite satanic luciferian symbolism and acts..
but no doubt all of that is pushed, bankrolled by one people. the whore of BABYLON
hence Zechariah 5's wicked woman 'taken the land of BABYLON to set her house there'.
you'll ignore me. you won't directly acknowledge anything. ego worship.
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