Misunderstanding Israel

[Red Sky at Morning]

Netanyahu slams IAEA’s Grossi for calling attack on nuclear facilities ‘outlawed’

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Mr.Fishnet]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The way the Bible describes the return of Jesus exactly parallels the way it describes Moses on Mt Sinai.

Understanding where Israel fits into the unfolding of God’s plan is impossible without applying the lens of Bible prophecy, both OT and NT.

 

[Infinityloop]

The modern Israeli occupation of Palestine and Jews are not synonymous.

The modern Israeli occupation happened through the Balfour declaration (written during WW1) and the founding of the United Nations after the holocaust.

The term "Israel" in the Biblical sense does not denote the land, it denotes the people (Israelites) and their ancient state. That said the ancient state was more complex because there were two states, one was the Samaritan state in the North (which was the one simply called "Israel") and then there was the Jewish state in the south (called "Judah"). And it's quite amazing that many Christians don't seem to understand that the Jews were Judah.
(Samaritans are still around, remember, and they legally get dual citizenship, as part-Israeli and part-Palestinian)

But beyond that, the Romans sent the Jews fleeing in the 1st century and when Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire, the land was Catholic land for 4 centuries. Then when Umar ibn Khattab conquered the land from the Catholics, it remained Muslim land for most of 1300 years (apart from 3 decades during the Crusades). After the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922 (101 years ago), the land was conquered by the British but they didn't know what to do with the land for two decades.
After the holocaust and the founding of the United Nations, the US decided to migrate thousands of European Jews as settlers in that land. This event was known as the Nakba, and it was a truly brutal event that goes against all international law.
The problem is that this land was already well inhabited by Arabs (Muslim and Christian) and Jews.
The people who already lived there and their decedents have come to be known as Palestinians, because it describes their relation to that land.
And it didn't stop there, because this has been going on to Muslim, Christian and Jewish Arabs in Palestine for the last 70 years.
The United Nations has always ignored the situation up until recent times, and that is truly tragic. Innocent Palestinian civilians are always being displaced from their homes, kicked out of their country and left without a passport or citizenship. Israeli police brutality is extremely bad over there, Christians get as badly treated as Muslims there. There is nothing to compare the situation that has been happening to Palestinians.

It just baffles my mind though why any Christians would want to overlook what the Israeli occupation does to Palestinian Christians.

This is all besides the fact that there is an ideological movement called Zionism (which goes hand in hand with both the creation and defense of this Israeli occupation) which was started in Europe in the 18th century which claimed the idea that Jews racially owned that land. The early Zionists didn't specify Palestine but they wanted somewhere. But Palestine gradually became more of a trend as the movement developed. Their early aspirations were colonialist, in their own words they aspired towards what the British had already done in previous centuries. Colonialism wasn't as much of a taboo at the time, so they proudly called themselves colonialists.
After colonialism started being more tabooed, they changed their language to "Jewish self-determination" and other terminology.
But consistently in the ideology is the idea that they are racially justified in taking that land from the inhabitants by force and that they (Palestinians) have no right to live there.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"

The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13). The word is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Another tradition teaches that the word comes from the word "eyver," which means "the other side," referring to the fact that Abraham came from the other side of the Euphrates, or referring to the fact Abraham was separated from the other nations morally and spiritually.

Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three Hebrew letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.

Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is inEsther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only those living in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

source

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Just because God has made certain promises about the future regathering and restoration of Israel does not mean that the “stiff necked” people will always get it right. Case in point:

Two Knesset members propose legislation to outlaw sharing the Gospel in Israel and send violators to prison – could it become law?

United Torah Judaism Knesset Members Moshe Gafni (L) and Yaakov Asher seen in the plenum hall of the Israeli parliament, Feb. 11, 2013. (photo: Miriam Alster, Flash90)

Is it possible that the Israeli government this year could pass legislation making it illegal for people to share the Gospel message in the very land where Jesus was born, raised, preached, died, buried and rose from the dead?

Unfortunately, yes.

As Palm Sunday and Easter approach – the two most sacred days on the calendar for those who follow Jesus as both God and Messiah – two members of the Knesset (Israel’s parliament) introduced a bill last week that would ban any and all efforts to tell people about Jesus.

The bill would send violators to prison.

 

[Infinityloop]

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Psalm 83 - King James Version

83 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. 5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee: 6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes; 7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;8 Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

9 Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison: 10 Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth. 11 Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:
12 Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession. 13 O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind. 14 As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire; 15 So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm. 16 Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O Lord. 17 Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish: 18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.

 

[A Freeman]

Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"

The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13). The word is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Another tradition teaches that the word comes from the word "eyver," which means "the other side," referring to the fact that Abraham came from the other side of the Euphrates, or referring to the fact Abraham was separated from the other nations morally and spiritually.

Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three Hebrew letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.

Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is inEsther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only those living in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

source

This mixture of intentionally dishonest Christian Zionist propaganda and cherry-picked historical facts could only be posted by someone who is either ignorant of both secular and non-secular historical records, or who has no shame in disseminating such obvious lies.

It is impossible for Abram, who God later renamed Abraham, to have been a "Jew", as Judah -- from where the term "Jew" originated -- was the great-grandson of Abraham.

Abraham begat Isaac, who begat Jacob/Israel, whose 4th son was named Judah.

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram THE HEBREW; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these [were] confederate with Abram.

Note well that Abram is NOT referred to as "a Jew" as the deceitful Zionist propaganda from
https://www.jewfaq.org/who_is_a_jew falsely claims. It is the word Hebrew that describes the sons of Eber, NOT "Jews". Getting "Jew facts" from Ashkenazis and Idumean Edomites who call themselves Jews is like getting political facts from the professional liars that call themselves politicians.

Abraham was obviously NOT a "Jew", nor a "Christian", nor a "Muslim", nor was Abraham a member of ANY organized religion. He was merely an honest believer, who listened to and obeyed God (a very rare trait in this world), thereby becoming a "friend of God" through his actions (James 2:23).

Also deceitful by its omission is any mention of what became of the 10 "lost" tribes of Israel, aka the "House of Israel", who made up the overwhelming majority of the people Israel and retained the name (Israel). Israel himself placed his name upon the sons of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh - Gen. 48:16-19), who were to become a nation and a company of nations (Gen. 35:11).

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/twelve-tribes-of-israel-info-research-thread.5480/post-284935

https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/them-which-say-they-are-jews-but-are-not.6663/

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

From Amir Tsarfati on Telegram


A short message from Amir

***************************

I’ve been carefully examining the situation in Israel over the past 3 years ever since we entered into that which seems to be a never-ending political chaos.

My conclusion is very simple:

The progressive liberal deceptive and diabolical demon has completely taken over a large portion of the Israeli society to the degree of what the Bible calls: STRONG DELUSION!

For years I’ve struggled with the portion from Zechariah 13:8-9 where it says that two thirds of Israel will be cut off and die and the last third the Lord will bring through the fire and refine them. That’s the one third that will survive the looming Tribulation known also as Jacob’s trouble. That’s the one third that will be there to welcome the Messiah’s return as Zechariah 12:10 describes. They’ll mourn cry and repent!

Based on what I see today, If the antichrist will rise to power tomorrow I two thirds of Israel will be easily deceived to the point of eventually receiving the mark of the beast.

Interestingly enough even some major Rabbis can see the coming tribulation.

Now, if the tribulations is so close can you imagine how much even closer our rapture is!

Yes, the fig tree is blooming! Israel is back in the land! However, it is the physical restoration only. The spiritual one will be painful and tragic.

#prayforisrael

 

[A Freeman]

Two-thirds of the global population have taken the lethal injection/pharmacy/witchcraft/sorcery known as the Covid-19 jab.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in ALL THE LAND, saith the "I AM", two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Also in Zechariah...

4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all [of] gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which [are] upon the top thereof:
4:3 And two olive trees (Rom. 11:24-28) by it, one upon the right [side] of the bowl, and the other upon the left [side] thereof.
4:4 So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What [are] these, my lord?
4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What [are] these two olive trees upon the right [side] of the candlestick and upon the left [side] thereof?
4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What [be these] two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden [oil] out of themselves?
4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these [be]? And I said, No, my lord.
4:14 Then said he, These [are] the Two Anointed ones (the House of Joseph - Deut. 33:16-17; 1 Chron. 5:1-2), that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Deuteronomy 33:16-17
33:16 And for the precious things of the earth and fullness thereof, and [for] the good Will of Him that dwelt in the bush: let ["The Blessing"] come upon the head of Joseph, and the CROWN upon the head of him [that was] separated from his brethren (Gen. 49:10 & 22-24).
33:17 His glory [is like] the firstling of his bullock, and his horns [are like] the horns of Unicorns (a unicorn is pictured on the British Coat of Arms): with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they [are] the ten thousands of Ephraim (the English and British Commonwealth), and they [are] the thousands of Manasseh (the Anglo-Saxon Americans).

Other than the British and American people, what other nations have translated, published and delivered the Bible to the rest of the world (been two-candlesticks/two witnesses)? Other than the British and American people, what other nations (using their military might) have pushed the people together to the ends of the earth during these end-times?

And with regard to praying for the counterfeit Jewish state of Israel in the Middle East, why do "Christians" seem to delight in doing the exact opposite of what Christ COMMANDS?

Matthew 6:7-8
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[TokiEl]

Now, if the tribulations is so close can you imagine how much even closer our rapture is!

The Return of the Son of Man
(Mark 13:24–27; Luke 21:25–28)

Matthew 24 26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.




Did Jesus say that He will come on the clouds of heaven before or after the tribulation ?

This is not a trick question. What did Jesus say ?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Return of the Son of Man
(Mark 13:24–27; Luke 21:25–28)

Matthew 24 26So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.




Did Jesus say that He will come on the clouds of heaven before or after the tribulation ?

This is not a trick question. What did Jesus say ?

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming? | GotQuestions.org

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming? Are the Rapture and the Second Coming different events?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[TokiEl]

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming? | GotQuestions.org

What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming? Are the Rapture and the Second Coming different events?

www.gotquestions.org

You found an article from an anonymous author about the difference between the rapture and the second coming ?



Here is how the rapture is described by Paul...

1 Thessalonians 4 15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jesus Christ comes on the clouds with a loud trumpet call. And the dead in Christ will rise first that is by no means will we who are alive at that time rise before the dead in Christ. It's all a big loud commotion coming on the clouds...




That is exactly what Jesus said...

Matthew 24 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.b’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven,c and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.



Note it is after the tribulation... but surely you recognize the darkened sun and moon and falling stars in the verse above as the sixth seal in Revelation ? That is the time of God's wrath. And the chosen ones are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Breaking News: Israel is in a Dangerous Situation | March 22, 2023

To receive unfiltered news about what is happening in the Middle East and around the world, be sure to join my Telegram channel: https://t.me/beholdisraelcha...

www.youtube.com

Netanyahu: Israel Won't Pass Anti-Christian Law - Israel Today

American conservative and Christian voices had decried proposed bill targeting "missionaries," but it was largely much ado about nothing.

www.israeltoday.co.il

 

[JFO2]

Breaking News: Israel is in a Dangerous Situation | March 22, 2023

To receive unfiltered news about what is happening in the Middle East and around the world, be sure to join my Telegram channel: https://t.me/beholdisraelcha...

www.youtube.com

Netanyahu: Israel Won't Pass Anti-Christian Law - Israel Today

American conservative and Christian voices had decried proposed bill targeting "missionaries," but it was largely much ado about nothing.

www.israeltoday.co.il

What a joke.

Netanyahu thinks nothing of ordering the slaughter of over 2000 innocent civilians for throwing stones at armoured vehicles, but he’s somehow a great guy because he won’t outlaw Christianity?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Replacement Theology discussed…

 

[Karlysymon]

Just because God has made certain promises about the future regathering and restoration of Israel does not mean that the “stiff necked” people will always get it right. Case in point:

Two Knesset members propose legislation to outlaw sharing the Gospel in Israel and send violators to prison – could it become law?

United Torah Judaism Knesset Members Moshe Gafni (L) and Yaakov Asher seen in the plenum hall of the Israeli parliament, Feb. 11, 2013. (photo: Miriam Alster, Flash90)

Is it possible that the Israeli government this year could pass legislation making it illegal for people to share the Gospel message in the very land where Jesus was born, raised, preached, died, buried and rose from the dead?

Unfortunately, yes.

As Palm Sunday and Easter approach – the two most sacred days on the calendar for those who follow Jesus as both God and Messiah – two members of the Knesset (Israel’s parliament) introduced a bill last week that would ban any and all efforts to tell people about Jesus.

The bill would send violators to prison.

That is how the story was always meant to end. Christians who have been very supportive of Israel are in for a very rude awakening...it's best to prepare.
Word on the street is that Israel is the future home of the world government. In my opinion, that could be seen in the fact that the world government summit is held in the ME (specifically Dubai). The whole thing is supposed to acclimate the global populace to the idea of a world government headquatered in the ME and holding it's annual summit there. If the WGS was held in Israel, there'd be way too much resistance to the prospect. These aren't plans that were made yesterday anymore than the covid psyop/great reset was decided upon yesterday. These plans are decades old, perhaps more than a century old.

Serveto posted this article many times but i guess it never registered in the minds of those across the aisle. A hard right gov't in Israel at this particular point in time is no coincidence and the proposed judicial changes that have Israelis up in arms should be saying something...

Pursuing the Millennium

The Zionist-colonial enterprise has always had a built-in propensity to gravitate towards its most extreme expression.

www.thenation.com

"Like fundamentalism everywhere, the Jewish variety seeks to restore an ideal, imagined past. If it ever managed to do so, the Israel celebrated by the American “friends of Israel” as a “bastion of democracy in the Middle East” would, most assuredly, be no more. For, in its full and perfect form, the Jewish Kingdom that arose in its place would elevate a stern and wrathful God’s sovereignty over any new-fangled, heathen concepts such as the people’s will, civil liberties or human rights. It would be governed by the Halacha, or Jewish religious law, of which the rabbis would be the sole interpreters ... A monarch, chosen by the rabbis, would rule and the Knesset would be replaced by a Sanhedrin, or supreme judicial, ecclesiastic and administrative council ... All forms of “idolatry or idol-worship,” but especially Christian ones (for traditionally Muslims, who are not considered to be idolaters, are held in less contempt than Christians), would be “obliterated,” in the words of Shas party leader Rabbi Ovadia Yossef ... "