Discrepancies between the Bible and the “King of Kings” version

[Red Sky at Morning]

So the King of kings’ Bible has it right, and the translations that wrongly translate “ekklesia” as “church” – to keep their evil places of idol worship in business – have it WRONG.

If you study the message to the seven churches of Revelation, it quickly becomes apparent that these churches aside from groups living in Asia Minor also become iconic of the church at various periods in its history.

This idea is explored in depth and detail by Chuck Missler here:

2000 Years of Church History Foretold? The Seven Churches of Revelation 2 & 3

At present there is much discussion about which denomination or perspective on Christianity represents a correct Biblical understanding. I find it intriguing that in the Book of Revelation the letters to the Seven Churches of chapters 1&2 correspond to distinct eras of church history in a way in...

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At one point, idols are called out, as is the Jezebel spirit. This warning is not applied to all manifestations of the church through the ages.

What you are doing is taking one period of error, characteristic of one of the church paradigms and extending to all. In doing so, you are in clear error.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Thank-you for bringing this up, as this is a great example of why the King of kings’ Bible is so desperately needed NOW, to set straight mistakes in translations and in people’s understandings that have been caused by thousands of years of satanic programming through worldly institutions

Simple questions:

Is the king of kings infallible, without ANY errors?

Is the word in Exodus 19:6 "purists" or "priests"? If it is not "purists", as it currently reads, then there is (at least one) error in this "infallible" translation.

Please also note well that this passage is also telling everyone that we MUST keep The Law of God, just as Christ did, because that is the example that He set for all of us (be perfect/blameless – Matt. 5:48 which, unfortunately for all of us, we have never done).

I guess that answers the question that has been asked of you repeatedly. You ALSO have not kept the Law...

On the subject of “priests” (or pastors/shepherds, rabbis, imams, etc.), a priest, etc. is allegedly a teacher and a mediator between God and the rest of us.

So how many masters/teachers did Christ say there actually are besides Him? NONE (Matt. 23:8-10). How many mediators are there, according to Scripture? And how many good pastors/shepherds are there according to Christ (John 10:1-18)?

Priests are mentioned throughout the Law (including in kok version), a few examples of which i gave in my previous post. Are you saying scripture is contradicting itself, since you believe we are still under the old covenant?

 

[JoChris]

The Greek word “ekklesia” means "the ones called out" (the "Elect"); it does NOT mean “church”

John 15:17-21
15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it HATED me before [it hated] you.
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you.
15:20 Remember the Truth that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they WILL also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me.

Let us make it clear from the very beginning that the established religious system, which manifests itself in the abomination called "church", is NOT of God. We intend to make it very clear, by studying the Greek words found in the New Testament, that the pattern which God intends His people to follow and live by is the ECCLESIA system, and is RADICALLY different than that which calls itself "church" in our day. As you read this short study the truth will dawn on you that Christians today have been fed a LIE, and that they have been enslaved by the religious systems of men. If you truly love Jesus and desire to follow Him in total obedience then you must seriously consider the facts that follow. We encourage each and every person who names the name of Christ to PRAY, FAST AND SEEK GOD concerning the important differences between how the first Christians lived and how Christians live today.

THE CORRECT MEANING OF "CHURCH"​

(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)

Let's start by defining the word. "Church" comes from the Old English and German word pronounced "kirche." In Scotland, it was "kirk."

The following entries are from the Oxford Universal English Dictionary:

Church [Old English cirice, circe; Middle English chereche, chiriche, chirche; whence churche, cherche, etc.: -Greek Kuriakon...]

Kirk The Northern English and Scottish form of CHURCH, in all its senses.

In the earlier Greek It was pronounced "ku-ri-a-kos" or "ku-ri-a-kon." As you can see, this word doesn't even resemble the Greek word "ecclesia" whose place it has usurped. The meaning of "Ku-ri-a-kos" is understood by its root: "Ku- ri-os," which means "lord." Thus, "kuriakos" (i.e., "church") means "pertaining to the lord." It refers to something that pertains to, or belongs to, a lord. The Greek "kuriakos" eventually came to be used in Old English form as "cirice" (Kee-ree-ke), then "churche" (kerke), and eventually "church" in its traditional pronunciation. A church, then, is correctly something that "pertains to, or belongs to, a lord."

Now, as you can see, there is a major problem here. The translators broke the rules in a big way. When they inserted the word "church" in the English versions, they were not translating the Greek word "kuriakos", as one might expect. Rather, they were substituting an entirely different Greek word. This was not honest! The word "church" would have been an acceptable translation for the Greek word "kuriakos." However, not by the wildest imagination of the most liberal translator can it ever be an acceptable translation for the Greek word "ecclesia." Are you following this? Consider it carefully. This truth will answer many questions you've had about churches, and the kingdom.

"Ecclesia" is an entirely different word with an entirely different meaning than "kuriakos." In fact, the Greek word "kuriakos" appears in the New Testament only twice. It is found once in I Corinthians 11:20 where it refers to "the Lord's supper," and once again in Revelation 1:10 where it refers to "the Lord's day." In both of those cases, it is translated "the Lord's..." - not "church." This word does not appear again in the New Testament. Nonetheless, this is the unlikely and strange history of the word "church" as it came to the English language. Eventually, through the manipulation of organized religion "church" came to replace "ecclesia" by popular acceptance. Again, we must emphasize the importance of knowing word meanings in order to know the intent of those who wrote the Scriptures.

THE CORRECT MEANING OF "ECCLESIA"​

Now, let's look at the word, "ecclesia". This Greek word appears in the New Testament approximately 115 times. That's just in this one grammatical form. It appears also in other forms. And in every instance, except three, it is wrongly translated as "church" in the King James Version. Those three exceptions are found in Acts 19:32, 39, 41. In these instances the translators rendered it "assembly" instead of "church." But, the Greek word is exactly the same as the other 112 entries where it was changed to "church" wrongly.

In Acts 19, "ecclesia" is a town council: a civil body in Ephesus. Thus, the translators were forced to abandon their fake translation in these three instances. Nonetheless, 112 times they changed it to "church." This fact has been covered-up under centuries of misuse and ignorance. The Greek word "ecclesia" is correctly defined as: "The called-out (ones)" [ECC = out; KALEO = call]. Thus, you can see how this word was used to indicate a civil body of select (called, elected) people.

Source: http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

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Church includes anything and anybody from a building to the Vatican, from a minister to a pope, a pastor to a priest, an evangelical to a scientologist.

Church is derived from kurios, which means Lord, and led to k-ir-k and to ch-ur-ch. However, church cannot be derived from Ekklesia.

Ekklesia comes from ek and kaleo. Kaleo means to “call out” and ek means “out” in the sense of “away” and “from”.

I, therefore, argue that “church” is a bad translation of “ekklesia” and that, as a result of this erroneous translation, the whole concept of “church” is not a New Testament concept so that whatever we understand by “church” today has no Scriptural warrant whatsoever.

Source: https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/ecclesia-should-never-have-been-translated-as-church/2995

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On the mountain, Jesus "called to Him those He Himself wanted" (Mark 3:13).

Presumably there were more people following Jesus than the five handpicked men Mark mentions. Out of that group, He called Peter, Andrew, James, John, Matthew, and others. He called them not to a study of the law, of science, or of a trade; rather, He called them to Himself. Jesus called the ones He wanted, and His call was a sovereign one, because everyone He called to that office came to that office, and they came willingly to join that band of men who were to be a part of whom He was.

In a sense, this is a microcosmic look at what Jesus does for the whole kingdom of God—He calls those whom He wants. The Greek word that is translated as "church" in the Bible is ekklesia. This word is made up of a prefix and a root. The prefix is ek or ex, which means "out of " or "from." The root word is a form of the verb kaleo, which means "to call." Thus, ekklesia means "those who are the called-out ones."

Source: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/ekklesia-called-out-ones

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See also:
https://randyhartwig.com/church-why-i-dont-use-that-word-anymore/
https://called-out.com/2015/07/09/ekklesia-is-not-church/


So the King of kings’ Bible has it right, and the translations that wrongly translate “ekklesia” as “church” – to keep their evil places of idol worship in business – have it WRONG.

@A Freeman, is JAHtruth in complete agreement with Ben Williams https://www.benwilliamslibrary.com/ i.e. endorses his teachings to you all OR
Have you just searched for a website that happened to agree with you about the word "church"?
Please don't ignore this entry. Some definitions he gives are very disturbing.

 

[A Freeman]

Funny you should say this because it was the custom of our Saviour (the real One) to attend the synagogue every Sabbath.

If ever it was the wrong thing to do He wouldn't have set foot in one....to say nothing of the laws that every male had to go up to Jerusalem (the temple) 3 times a year. First born males (Luke 2:22-24)

Luke 4:14-16
And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

And what happened to our Saviour (the real One - the same yesterday, today and forever - Heb. 13:8) when He returned to the synagogue (you left that part out)?

Luke 4:17-30
4:17 And there was delivered unto him the Book of the Prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the Book, he found the place where it was written,
4:18 The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (Isa. 61:1-3).
4:20 And he closed the Book, and he gave [it] again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears.
4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the Gracious Words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No Prophet is accepted in his own country.
4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
4:26 But unto none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Zarephath, [a city] of Sidon, unto a woman [that was] a widow.
4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
4:28 AND ALL THEY IN THE SYNAGOGUE, WHEN THEY HEARD THESE THINGS, WERE FILLED WITH WRATH,
4:29 AND ROSE UP, AND THRUST HIM OUT OF THE CITY, AND LED HIM UNTO THE BROW OF THE HILL WHEREON THEIR CITY WAS BUILT, THAT THEY MIGHT CAST HIM DOWN HEADLONG.
4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,

In His dialogue with Nicodemus, Christ said; "You are Israel's teacher...and you don't understand these things?" (John 3:10).

Proving that even Nicodemus, who was a member of the Sanhedrin, the ruling body of the organized religion of that time, was also one of the blind leading the blind (Matt. 15:14).

Again, if the office of a "teacher" was ever a horrible idea, these are things that Christ would have denounced.

Are you claiming Christ didn't denounce all of these so-called teachers? How could anyone read Matthew 23 and somehow take away from it that Christ wasn't denouncing the scribes (lawyers) and the pharisees (politicians) who were also the rabbis/teachers of the "House of Judah" in Israel? Teachers that were very obviously leading the people astray (Matt. 15:1-14)?

Matthew 23:13-15
23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up The Kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither allow ye them that are entering to go in.
23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one convert, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell-fire than yourselves.

Does that sound like a ringing endorsement of the clergy to you?

And the call of Samuel to the priesthood? (1 Samuel 3, 2:35)

The Levitical priesthood began with the first Levitical priest -- Aaron, son of Amram and brother of Moses -- literally making a golden calf to appease the people while Moses was being given The Law/Commandments of God. And it only went downhill from there, with God finally abolishing it in Ezekiel 34, in favor of One High Priest -- His "Well-Beloved": CHRIST.

Ezekiel 34:1-10
34:1 And the Word of the "I AM" came unto me, saying,
34:2 Son of man, prophesy AGAINST the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord "I AM" unto the Levites; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
34:3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed [the Prophets]: [but] ye feed not the flock.
34:4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
34:5 And they were scattered, because [there is] no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, My flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek [after them].
34:7 Therefore, ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:8 [As] I live, saith the Lord "I AM", surely because My flock became a prey, and My flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did My shepherds search for My flock, but the Levites fed themselves, and fed not My flock;
34:9 Therefore, O ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:10 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Behold, I [am] AGAINST the shepherds; and I will require My flock at their hand, AND CAUSE THEM TO CEASE FROM FEEDING THE FLOCK; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

Samuel was not just a "priest"; Samuel was a Nazirite (Num. 6; 1 Sam. 1:11) and a PROPHET, to whom God spoke.

You can rail all you want about hierarchy but that won't stop the Holy Spirit from gifting people according to their disposition inorder to advance the cause of Christ.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

It isn't me warning about human hierarchy, which has created the greatest oppression of all time (Matt. 24:21-22); it is God's Word that is warning us. People can rail all they wish AGAINST God and His Word, while pretending that they are "filled with the Holy Spirit", but they're not fooling anyone except themselves. There is only ONE Way to receive the Holy Spirit and that is through obedience to God and His Law, NOT to men and their corporate fictional worldly institutions.

ORGANIZED RELIGION IS A BUSINESS. It has been franchised all over the world under different corporate names, e.g. "Judaism" or "Christianity" or "Islam" or "Hinduism", or "Buddhism", etc. because it is so lucrative. How can anyone actually believe that these salvation brokers somehow work for God, when Christ plainly stated that is IMPOSSIBLE (Matt. 6:24)?

1 Corinthians12:27-31
"Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?...

Matthew 24:37-39
24:37 But as the days of Noah [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:38 For as in the days that were before The Flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,
24:39 And knew not until The Flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

During the days of Noah people thought they were doing everything just the way it needed to be done, and that the world would never change. And they kept believing that nonsense, right up until the time their bodies drowned, even though Noah warned them for 100 years while he built a boat the size of an aircraft carrier in his backyard.

And these days are just like those, exactly as Christ warned they would be.

Anyone who believes that it's "normal" for our leaders to lie to everyone, and that they are somehow serving Christ by going to church, when Christ said only heathens and hypocrites go to church, hasn't learned anything over the past 4500 years.

 

[A Freeman]

Simple questions:

Is the king of kings infallible, without ANY errors?

As has been previously shared, the King of kings' Bible is the most accurate Bible on Earth.

Is the word in Exodus 19:6 "purists" or "priests"? If it is not "purists", as it currently reads, then there is (at least one) error in this "infallible" translation.

Don't you really need to be asking yourself if the translations you quote from, including the KJV, are themselves "infallible"?

If you take the time to research what has been shared in depth, rather than have a knee-jerk reaction to it, you'll discover why certain corrections have been made. The King of kings' Bible removes what has been wrongfully added, restores what has been wrongfully taken away, and correctly translates that which has been wrongfully translated.

But when one misses the core message in Scripture - which is obedience to God and His Law - they prevent God's Holy Spirit from doing its perfect work inside of them, to teach them these things.

I guess that answers the question that has been asked of you repeatedly. You ALSO have not kept the Law...

Is that a question or an accusation?

Whether we have previously kept The Law is not in question for any of us, because none of us have. And that is exactly what MUST change.

We all have a choice to make: we can either remain asleep (spiritually) and continue doing the same things over and over (sinning/breaking The Law and suffering the consequences) while expecting different results, or we can wake-up and LEARN from our past mistakes, truly repent (stop sinning/breaking The Law) and show Father (God) and His Christ that we genuinely Love Them and wish to serve Them ONLY. And receive blessings beyond anything we could possibly envision.

Priests are mentioned throughout the Law (including in kok version), a few examples of which i gave in my previous post. Are you saying scripture is contradicting itself, since you believe we are still under the old covenant?

Please study the history of the Levitical priesthood. Father (God) set the priesthood up so that they would have no material possessions beyond the basic necessities they needed to survive (food, clothing and shelter). That was to keep their focus on being servants of God. And what did it become? A greedy business, where the Levitical priests fed/enriched themselves at the expense of the people they were supposed to be feeding/enriching with Father's Truth, Justice and Mercy. And it is worse today than it has ever been.

Please see Jeremiah 23:1-6 and Ezekiel 34:1-10 to better understand how Father feels about the Levitical priesthood, and why He reduced it from many to ONE HIGH PRIEST: CHRIST. Not after the Levitical priesthood, but after the order of Melchizekek (King or Righteousness).

All of this defending of the priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. today, and of their places of business (churches, synagogues, mosques or whatever they wish to call their man-made temples) is not only mocking both Father and Christ, but calling Them liars. If Christ is the ONLY Master/Teacher, the ONLY High-Priest/ONLY Mediator between Father and men, and the ONLY Good Shepherd/Pastor, then how can there be hundreds of thousands or even millions of people claiming to be in these positions?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

As has been previously shared, the King of kings' Bible is the most accurate Bible on Earth.

I admire your unfiltered comic genius in the above statement @A Freeman

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Simple questions:

Is the king of kings infallible, without ANY errors?

Is the word in Exodus 19:6 "purists" or "priests"? If it is not "purists", as it currently reads, then there is (at least one) error in this "infallible" translation.

As has been previously shared, the King of kings' Bible is the most accurate Bible on Earth.

Don't you really need to be asking yourself if the translations you quote from, including the KJV, are themselves "infallible"?

If you take the time to research what has been shared in depth, rather than have a knee-jerk reaction to it, you'll discover why certain corrections have been made. The King of kings' Bible removes what has been wrongfully added, restores what has been wrongfully taken away, and correctly translates that which has been wrongfully translated.

All those words to say that yes, the same word is translated as "purists" in exodus 19:6 and as "priests" elsewhere throughout the Law. Not a typo, but intentional. Got it.

And yes, i have asked myself that about the KJV. Not that my answer would matter to you because if someone doesn't accept 100% of your/jah's doctrines then it's just time for redirecting and arguing.

Is that a question or an accusation?

Whether we have previously kept The Law is not in question for any of us, because none of us have. And that is exactly what MUST change.

Its was an answer to a question. In the past whenever anyone has asked you if you've kept the Law perfectly all we got as an answer was redirecting. These posts seem to be the first in which you acknowledge you haven't.

Not an accusation, there is none righteous, after all.

And what did it become? A greedy business, where the Levitical priests fed/enriched themselves at the expense of the people they were supposed to be feeding/enriching with Father's Truth, Justice and Mercy. And it is worse today than it has ever been.

Yes, in past posts i have agreed with you that the vast majority of today's religious leaders are corrupt. But as i mentioned previously in this reply, unless someone agrees with you 100% it just leads to arguing...

 

[JoChris]

I admire your unfiltered comic genius in the above statement @A Freeman

He demonstrates 100% faith in the words of his father (in the faith) there!
I realise @A Freeman is probably in an opposite time zone to me in Australia (currently 9:36 am), but the fact that he responded in two long entries to another person but ignored my question completely..
shows he knows what I will show in my next extended entry busts his cover as usual.
However, if he is in the middle of a response to me now I apologise in advance.

 

[JoChris]

The Greek word “ekklesia” means "the ones called out" (the "Elect"); it does NOT mean “church”

John 15:17-21
15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it HATED me before [it hated] you.
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you.
15:20 Remember the Truth that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they WILL also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me.

Let us make it clear from the very beginning that the established religious system, which manifests itself in the abomination called "church", is NOT of God. We intend to make it very clear, by studying the Greek words found in the New Testament, that the pattern which God intends His people to follow and live by is the ECCLESIA system, and is RADICALLY different than that which calls itself "church" in our day. As you read this short study the truth will dawn on you that Christians today have been fed a LIE, and that they have been enslaved by the religious systems of men. If you truly love Jesus and desire to follow Him in total obedience then you must seriously consider the facts that follow. We encourage each and every person who names the name of Christ to PRAY, FAST AND SEEK GOD concerning the important differences between how the first Christians lived and how Christians live today.

THE CORRECT MEANING OF "CHURCH"​

(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)

Let's start by defining the word. "Church" comes from the Old English and German word pronounced "kirche." In Scotland, it was "kirk."

The following entries are from the Oxford Universal English Dictionary:

Church [Old English cirice, circe; Middle English chereche, chiriche, chirche; whence churche, cherche, etc.: -Greek Kuriakon...]

Kirk The Northern English and Scottish form of CHURCH, in all its senses.

In the earlier Greek It was pronounced "ku-ri-a-kos" or "ku-ri-a-kon." As you can see, this word doesn't even resemble the Greek word "ecclesia" whose place it has usurped. The meaning of "Ku-ri-a-kos" is understood by its root: "Ku- ri-os," which means "lord." Thus, "kuriakos" (i.e., "church") means "pertaining to the lord." It refers to something that pertains to, or belongs to, a lord. The Greek "kuriakos" eventually came to be used in Old English form as "cirice" (Kee-ree-ke), then "churche" (kerke), and eventually "church" in its traditional pronunciation. A church, then, is correctly something that "pertains to, or belongs to, a lord."

Now, as you can see, there is a major problem here. The translators broke the rules in a big way. When they inserted the word "church" in the English versions, they were not translating the Greek word "kuriakos", as one might expect. Rather, they were substituting an entirely different Greek word. This was not honest! The word "church" would have been an acceptable translation for the Greek word "kuriakos." However, not by the wildest imagination of the most liberal translator can it ever be an acceptable translation for the Greek word "ecclesia." Are you following this? Consider it carefully. This truth will answer many questions you've had about churches, and the kingdom.

"Ecclesia" is an entirely different word with an entirely different meaning than "kuriakos." In fact, the Greek word "kuriakos" appears in the New Testament only twice. It is found once in I Corinthians 11:20 where it refers to "the Lord's supper," and once again in Revelation 1:10 where it refers to "the Lord's day." In both of those cases, it is translated "the Lord's..." - not "church." This word does not appear again in the New Testament. Nonetheless, this is the unlikely and strange history of the word "church" as it came to the English language. Eventually, through the manipulation of organized religion "church" came to replace "ecclesia" by popular acceptance. Again, we must emphasize the importance of knowing word meanings in order to know the intent of those who wrote the Scriptures.

THE CORRECT MEANING OF "ECCLESIA"​

Now, let's look at the word, "ecclesia". This Greek word appears in the New Testament approximately 115 times. That's just in this one grammatical form. It appears also in other forms. And in every instance, except three, it is wrongly translated as "church" in the King James Version. Those three exceptions are found in Acts 19:32, 39, 41. In these instances the translators rendered it "assembly" instead of "church." But, the Greek word is exactly the same as the other 112 entries where it was changed to "church" wrongly.

In Acts 19, "ecclesia" is a town council: a civil body in Ephesus. Thus, the translators were forced to abandon their fake translation in these three instances. Nonetheless, 112 times they changed it to "church." This fact has been covered-up under centuries of misuse and ignorance. The Greek word "ecclesia" is correctly defined as: "The called-out (ones)" [ECC = out; KALEO = call]. Thus, you can see how this word was used to indicate a civil body of select (called, elected) people.

Source: http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

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Church includes anything and anybody from a building to the Vatican, from a minister to a pope, a pastor to a priest, an evangelical to a scientologist.

Church is derived from kurios, which means Lord, and led to k-ir-k and to ch-ur-ch. However, church cannot be derived from Ekklesia.

Ekklesia comes from ek and kaleo. Kaleo means to “call out” and ek means “out” in the sense of “away” and “from”.

I, therefore, argue that “church” is a bad translation of “ekklesia” and that, as a result of this erroneous translation, the whole concept of “church” is not a New Testament concept so that whatever we understand by “church” today has no Scriptural warrant whatsoever.

Source: https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/ecclesia-should-never-have-been-translated-as-church/2995

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On the mountain, Jesus "called to Him those He Himself wanted" (Mark 3:13).

Presumably there were more people following Jesus than the five handpicked men Mark mentions. Out of that group, He called Peter, Andrew, James, John, Matthew, and others. He called them not to a study of the law, of science, or of a trade; rather, He called them to Himself. Jesus called the ones He wanted, and His call was a sovereign one, because everyone He called to that office came to that office, and they came willingly to join that band of men who were to be a part of whom He was.

In a sense, this is a microcosmic look at what Jesus does for the whole kingdom of God—He calls those whom He wants. The Greek word that is translated as "church" in the Bible is ekklesia. This word is made up of a prefix and a root. The prefix is ek or ex, which means "out of " or "from." The root word is a form of the verb kaleo, which means "to call." Thus, ekklesia means "those who are the called-out ones."

Source: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/ekklesia-called-out-ones

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See also:
https://randyhartwig.com/church-why-i-dont-use-that-word-anymore/
https://called-out.com/2015/07/09/ekklesia-is-not-church/


So the King of kings’ Bible has it right, and the translations that wrongly translate “ekklesia” as “church” – to keep their evil places of idol worship in business – have it WRONG.

I should have included the fine print below.

@A Freeman, can you find a bible/ MAINSTREAM CHRISTIAN website that AGREES 100% WITH THE NICENE CREED AND does not translate "ekklesia" as "church"?

 

[JoChris]

(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)

One thing I am grateful for you being on this forum is that you have introduced me to the non-mainstream websites of all varieties!
My tendency to only look for factual sources has prevented me from seeing how the other side views things.

Source: http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ecclesia.htm

The first warning sign you gave is that you didn't give that above hyperlink directly at the top of your entry like other times, despite giving the names. I bet deep down you know the vast majority of people who actually would read your entry would NOT take the time to Google search it.

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ACMTC Library is in fact http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/
Here is an entry where they show their clearly anti-church position. http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/whonot.htm
That shows immediately they are extremely biased against churches.
All they do is insult churches and justify their rejection of them.

Here they show their militantly ANTI- ISLAM worldview. In the War against the False Religion of Islam.
That is totally incompatible with JAHtruth's worldview.
Here is their clearly pro-Hell position, therefore no reincarnation like JAHtruth says. http://www.aggressivechristianity.net/articles/ads/Hell materials.htm
From other links they show belief in the Holy Spirit that sounds similar to hyperCharismatic Christian teachings.
That is VERY incompatible with JAHtruth.

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https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/ecclesia-should-never-have-been-translated-as-church/2995

A name containing "univeralist" should have been immediately an indicator that you were not giving a link to a mainstream Christian forum. Going on your history, that was a deliberate choice. That is all that needs to be said.

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.... In a sense, this is a microcosmic look at what Jesus does for the whole kingdom of God—He calls those whom He wants. The Greek word that is translated as "church" in the Bible is ekklesia. This word is made up of a prefix and a root. The prefix is ek or ex, which means "out of " or "from." The root word is a form of the verb kaleo, which means "to call." Thus, ekklesia means "those who are the called-out ones."

Source: https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/ekklesia-called-out-ones

This website was a strange choice for you! Did you read the last paragraph?

However, every time Christ saves an individual, He places him in a group. There is a corporate dimension to the kingdom of God that we must not overlook. I spoke recently with a woman whose church has called a new pastor. She is not happy with the new pastor, so she has left the church. When I asked her what she is doing for worship, she replied that she watches religious programming on television on Sunday morning. The obvious problem with this is that she is not in church on Sunday morning. She is not with the people of God in corporate worship, in solemn assembly. The Christian life is a corporate thing, for Christ places His redeemed people in the church to learn together, grow together, serve together, and worship together.

Excerpt from R.C. Sproul's commentary on Mark.

R.C. Sproul uses the word church.

Robert Charles Sproul (/sproʊl/ SPROHL; February 13, 1939 – December 14, 2017) was an American Reformed theologian and ordained pastor in the Presbyterian Church in America.

 

[JoChris]

(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)

Second part [my entry would have been too long otherwise]:
Like I said in the other entry, the fact that you did not give the links immediately made me especially suspicious.
You did not give the Ben Williams library at all in your entry, and I saw why as soon as I checked the personal information section.

In the "meet Bill Williams" section, he immediately showed his anti-church position.

....Ben Williams believes in the Holy Bible … he always has. But over a period of 30 years of researching, writing, lecturing and teaching, he has learned that what the churches teach is not from the Bible.

.....After attending seminary, Ben started out as a church pastor in the 70′s. He soon outgrew his first pastorate in a traditional church. He then went to work with Sheldon Emry as Assistant Pastor in a national ministry based in Phoenix, Arizona. Like Sheldon, Ben had a view of the world that wasn’t dominated by church tradition and priestcraft. After Sheldon’s death, Ben moved back to his native Northwest and continued the work there. God led him away from the churches … away from the failed traditions of establishment religion, and began opening the Bible to him.

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So like Anthony John Hill, he got a special revelation from "God" that the churches were bad.... and then he got new revelations from the Bible afterwards.
It was very interesting HOW similar some of Ben Williams' beliefs were to Anthony John Hill's in fact.
The cynic in me wondered who plagarised from who? The Christian side of me thought they must have heard from the same "god" alright.

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His dictionary is where the mask really came off. Anti-thought control dictionary.
Some of the theological issues:
He had an anti-trinity position, and denied eternal life, Hell, the Holy Spirit and Satan.

There were some very ugly definitions as well. I will give the most obvious entry here:

HOLOCAUST

CONTROLLED MEANING: The imprisonment, murder and burning of six-million Jews by the German Nazis in World War II.

INTENT: A Zionist propaganda term used to create a sense of guilt among non-Jews, and to promote indebtedness to, and sympathy for, all Jews. A form of psychological blackmail (brainwashing), especially among churchgoers to reduce or prevent thoughts or actions against Zionist Israelis and the oppressive state of Israel — thus, granting them carte blanche to kill the Palestinians with impunity, financially bleed Germany and America, foment war and terrorism internationally, and morally corrupt the world

TRUE MEANING: "Holocaust" comes from two Greek words: holos, meaning "whole" and kaustos, meaning "burnt." According to Webster's 1828 Dictionary, the word originally meant "A burnt-sacrifice or offering, the whole of which was consumed by fire." The term is used in the Bible to indicate "whole burnt offerings to God" (Heb 10:6). Notice that a "holocaust" is not just anything burnt, but AN OFFERING burnt. Thus, the Zionist are claiming "six-million burnt offerings."

The fact that the Zionists chose to use the word "holocaust" adds to the indication that the so-called "six-million" number is fictitious. After the collapse of the Soviet Union official statistics were released to the world showing that the "six million" number claimed by the Zionists was completely inaccurate. The official number was reduced to under two million ... and that not due to gassing and burning in ovens, but mostly due to outbreaks of disease, starvation and depravation caused by the hardships inflicted on Germany toward the end of the war. Yet, in Zionist propaganda the original figure of "six million" is still claimed along with their claims of Nazi intent to kill all Jews.
In fact, the majority of the Holocaust myth comes from the pens of the Zionist propagandists. While the oppression and torture of people (any people, including Jews, Arabs, or Germans) seems to be the nature of war, and is totally offensive to God and anyone with moral sensibility, nonetheless the use of lies and propaganda for political manipulation is the accepted and universally-used method of war mongers bent upon conquering and oppressing people and nations. In this regard, the most guilty of propagating this lie are the Zionist churches in America which claim to be Christian but are not.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

^ “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”

 

[JoChris]

^ “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”

Several relevant Proverb verses for Ben Williams (and anyone who creates their own religion because they decide they know better than what the bible clearly says).

 

[A Freeman]

What will follow are a few simple examples of corrections to the KJV that are found in the King of kings' Bible, to ensure people are not misled by Roman Catholicism, which had over 1000 years (from around 325 AD until 1611 AD) to tamper with the Bible, attempting to bend it to their man-made doctrines and traditions.

The "mother church" tampering with the Bible includes adding to it, e.g. the "Johannine comma" in 1 John and the story of the adulterous woman in the Gospel of Jesus according to John, taking away from it, omitting entire books from it, e.g. the Book of Enoch and the Gospel of Jesus according to Thomas, and intentional mis-translations, e.g. leaving the word "David" untranslated in Ezekiel 34 (David means "Well-Beloved"), intentionally mistranslating the Greek word "ekklesia" as "church" (which has already been sufficiently covered), etc.

Further, the term "LORD" describing God, The Father (YHWH in Hebrew), in contrast to "Lord" (Adonai), describing Father's Firstborn/Eldest Son Prince Michael/Christ, has been corrected to the "I AM", to eliminate any confusion as to Who The One True God and Father/Creator of Christ really is.

Also, and specifically with regard to the Koran/Quran, the term "Allah" has likewise been corrected to "I AM", to alleviate any confusion the reader may have that the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM the Old Covenant and New Covenant, exactly as it says.

The single reference to "Mecca" from the Arabic word "makkah", which simply means physical altercation or confrontation, has been corrected, as has the single reference to "Ramadan", which was added to the Koran/Quran when it was translated from the original Aramaic into the newly invented language of Arabic, alongside the hadith, when it was being fabricated, c. 9th century A.D. in the Baghdad (Babylon) area. Further, the references to "Ishmael", none of which were in the original Koran/Quran, have been restored back to their original state, e.g. in Sura 2:125 and 2:127, where Abraham offered up his miracle son ISAAC as God asked, NOT Ishmael.

The True Bible

jahtruth.net

What most, if not everyone on Earth seem to do on a regular basis is grossly underestimate the power of Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, the temporary prince of this world (that is how Christ referred to him - see John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11). Every worldly institution today, including church (organized religion) and state (governments and their agencies), the court system in every country, the medical-chemical-pharmaceutical industrial complex, and the rest of the corporate fictions, was created by Satan to DECEIVE people into believing that being part of the evil majority on this planet is somehow the "safe" position, when the exact opposite is true.

As previously referenced, these days are just like the days of Noah, when the Earth was FILLED with hatred for the Truth, immorality, violence, and satanically-derived/copied arrogance, where virtually everyone mistakenly believes they can do whatever they want, just as they and their parents and grandparents have been doing century after century, and everything will somehow work out. The evil majority on this planet is almost ALWAYS wrong, so anyone who attempts to use what goes on in the world today as some sort of moral compass is hopelessly lost and thus doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past which, as the Bible clearly warns, end in destruction.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

ALL of this is being shared to reach out to the genuine truth-seekers out there who can see that we are in the end-times and are very obviously heading in the WRONG direction, with all of the world's governments and their leaders conspiring to foist a FAKE pandemic on us and lead us into WW3 with one fabricated crisis after another, designed and fomented to steer us into the "solution" they (Satan really) have in mind: a totalitarian one-world government.

As long as people go along with these worldly, divisive ways, there will NEVER be peace on Earth. That is why the King of kings is here now, and has given us the King of kings' Bible, as only He can do, exactly as prophesied (Rev. 5:1-9).

 

[JoChris]

What will follow are a few simple examples of corrections to the KJV that are found in the King of kings' Bible, to ensure people are not misled by Roman Catholicism, which had over 1000 years (from around 325 AD until 1611 AD) to tamper with the Bible, attempting to bend it to their man-made doctrines and traditions.

The "mother church" tampering with the Bible includes adding to it, e.g. the "Johannine comma" in 1 John and the story of the adulterous woman in the Gospel of Jesus according to John, taking away from it, omitting entire books from it, e.g. the Book of Enoch and the Gospel of Jesus according to Thomas, and intentional mis-translations, e.g. leaving the word "David" untranslated in Ezekiel 34 (David means "Well-Beloved"), intentionally mistranslating the Greek word "ekklesia" as "church" (which has already been sufficiently covered), etc.

Further, the term "LORD" describing God, The Father (YHWH in Hebrew), in contrast to "Lord" (Adonai), describing Father's Firstborn/Eldest Son Prince Michael/Christ, has been corrected to the "I AM", to eliminate any confusion as to Who The One True God and Father/Creator of Christ really is.

Also, and specifically with regard to the Koran/Quran, the term "Allah" has likewise been corrected to "I AM", to alleviate any confusion the reader may have that the Koran/Quran was sent to CONFIRM the Old Covenant and New Covenant, exactly as it says.

The single reference to "Mecca" from the Arabic word "makkah", which simply means physical altercation or confrontation, has been corrected, as has the single reference to "Ramadan", which was added to the Koran/Quran when it was translated from the original Aramaic into the newly invented language of Arabic, alongside the hadith, when it was being fabricated, c. 9th century A.D. in the Baghdad (Babylon) area. Further, the references to "Ishmael", none of which were in the original Koran/Quran, have been restored back to their original state, e.g. in Sura 2:125 and 2:127, where Abraham offered up his miracle son ISAAC as God asked, NOT Ishmael.

The True Bible

jahtruth.net

What most, if not everyone on Earth seem to do on a regular basis is grossly underestimate the power of Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, the temporary prince of this world (that is how Christ referred to him - see John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11). Every worldly institution today, including church (organized religion) and state (governments and their agencies), the court system in every country, the medical-chemical-pharmaceutical industrial complex, and the rest of the corporate fictions, was created by Satan to DECEIVE people into believing that being part of the evil majority on this planet is somehow the "safe" position, when the exact opposite is true.

As previously referenced, these days are just like the days of Noah, when the Earth was FILLED with hatred for the Truth, immorality, violence, and satanically-derived/copied arrogance, where virtually everyone mistakenly believes they can do whatever they want, just as they and their parents and grandparents have been doing century after century, and everything will somehow work out. The evil majority on this planet is almost ALWAYS wrong, so anyone who attempts to use what goes on in the world today as some sort of moral compass is hopelessly lost and thus doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past which, as the Bible clearly warns, end in destruction.

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

ALL of this is being shared to reach out to the genuine truth-seekers out there who can see that we are in the end-times and are very obviously heading in the WRONG direction, with all of the world's governments and their leaders conspiring to foist a FAKE pandemic on us and lead us into WW3 with one fabricated crisis after another, designed and fomented to steer us into the "solution" they (Satan really) have in mind: a totalitarian one-world government.

As long as people go along with these worldly, divisive ways, there will NEVER be peace on Earth. That is why the King of kings is here now, and has given us the King of kings' Bible, as only He can do, exactly as prophesied (Rev. 5:1-9).

But seriously now:
Can you please tell me which main search engine you use and what keywords and phrases you use to find those type of links?
I use duckduckgo as well as Google.

 

[A Freeman]

"The Johannine Comma"

1 John 5:6-8 KJV
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 John 5:6-8 King of kings' Bible
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is Truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record,
5:8 The Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Note: the boldfaced portion of 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV is to illustrate the portion of text that was ADDED to that passage, c. 15th century AD. How do we know that it was added? Because it wasn't in any of the previous Biblical manuscripts. In fact, this overt addition became so infamous, it received its own name: "the Johannine Comma".

What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)? Should the Comma Johanneum be in 1 John 5:7-8?

www.gotquestions.org

The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8 | Bible.org

“5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.” ‑‑NET Bible Before τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, the Textus Receptus reads ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι. 5·8 καὶ τρεῖς...

bible.org

Was 1 John 5:7 Added To The Bible - Comma Johanneum

Does 1 John 5:7 have added text that is called the Comma Johanneum and was it part of the early Greek manuscripts or was it added at a later date?

www.trinitytruth.org

So why was this text added to this passage in 1 John, if not to promote the totally unscriptural Babylonian triad/Roman Catholic "trinity"? Even "trinitarian" believers have admitted this was added to the Bible and should be removed (and has been removed in many other translations).

 

[JoChris]

"The Johannine Comma"

1 John 5:6-8 KJV
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

1 John 5:6-8 King of kings' Bible
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is Truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record,
5:8 The Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Note: the boldfaced portion of 1 John 5:7-8 in the KJV is to illustrate the portion of text that was ADDED to that passage, c. 15th century AD. How do we know that it was added? Because it wasn't in any of the previous Biblical manuscripts. In fact, this overt addition became so infamous, it received its own name: "the Johannine Comma".

What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)? | GotQuestions.org

What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)? Should the Comma Johanneum be in 1 John 5:7-8?

www.gotquestions.org

The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8 | Bible.org

“5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.” ‑‑NET Bible Before τὸ πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα, the Textus Receptus reads ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὁ πατήρ, ὁ λόγος, καὶ τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα, καὶ οὗτοι οἱ τρεῖς ἕν εἰσι. 5·8 καὶ τρεῖς...

bible.org

Was 1 John 5:7 Added To The Bible - Comma Johanneum

Does 1 John 5:7 have added text that is called the Comma Johanneum and was it part of the early Greek manuscripts or was it added at a later date?

www.trinitytruth.org

So why was this text added to this passage in 1 John, if not to promote the totally unscriptural Babylonian triad/Roman Catholic "trinity"? Even "trinitarian" believers have admitted this was added to the Bible and should be removed (and has been removed in many other translations).

That has been covered in other threads multiple times.

I really am interested in *how* you search for information to find the type of links you have given in your replies.

 

[A Freeman]

The adulterous woman addition

John 7:53 - John 8:11 KJV
7:53 And every man went unto his own house.
8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 7:53 - John 8:12 King of kings' Bible
7:53 And every man went unto his own house.
8:1 Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives.
8:2 And early in the morning he came again into The Temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
8:3 Then spoke Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life.
8:4 The politicians therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
8:5 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, [yet] my record is true: for I know whence I came, and where I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and where I go.
8:6 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
8:7 And yet if I judge, my Judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
8:8 It is also written in your Law, that the testimony of two men is true.
8:9 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
8:10 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known my Father, ye should have known me also.
8:11 These words spoke Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in The Temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
8:12 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: where I go, ye cannot come.


Please see the following links, in no particular order, regarding the story of the adulterous woman found in the Gospel of John:-

http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/John-7-53-8-11.html

http://www.bibleodyssey.org/passages/main-articles/woman-caught-in-adultery.aspx


There is no question the story of the adulterous woman was added to the Bible because it was NOT present in the original texts, and only appeared later (hence it was added).

Along with the truth pointed out by Biblical scholars that the story of the adulterous woman was:

1) not present in the original texts of the Gospel according to John;

2) doesn't match the writing style of the rest of the Gospel according to John; and

3) interrupts the flow of the story being told in the verses before and after it,

there are several other reasons we can be CERTAIN it was added later, including:

4) the story contradicts Christ's statement about The Law found in Matthew 5:17-19 and Luke 16:17-18 (i.e. if the story about the adulterous woman happened as we're told, it is calling Christ a liar);

5) the story contradicts itself by claiming only a woman was caught in the act of adultery [it takes two to “tango” and the penalty in The Law is that BOTH the man and the woman caught in the act have committed a capital offence (Lev. 20:10)]; and

6) the story contradicts itself by claiming Jesus let the woman caught in the act of adultery go, while at the same time telling her to “go and sin no more”. If it's really okay to commit adultery, then why tell her to stop doing it? In other words, if there's no penalty for sinning (breaking The Law – 1 John 3:4), then there's no incentive for anyone to stop
sinning/breaking The Law, i.e. stop being a criminal.

The REAL reason the story of the adulterous woman was added was to be used to try to grant people the license to commit all the abominations of the Earth (Rev. 17), even though Christ Himself said The Law would not change in the slightest way (Matt. 5:18) and that we should SIN NO MORE (Matt. 5:48; John 5:14), i.e. do NOT break The Law ever again or we will suffer the consequences (in this lifetime or the next (John 9:1-3). Christ was actually STRICTER about what He considered to be adultery, holding people accountable for their lustful thoughts and for divorcing one another just so they can get married to someone else (see: Matt. 19:9; Mark 10:11-12; Luke 16:17-18).

Before disagreeing with what's been shared, please consider the FACT that today, as a result of our refusal to keep and enforce The Law, adultery has been re-packaged as “having an affair” and is not only dealt with “leniently” under man-made rules, it's encouraged and even glorified. This has caused BILLIONS of broken homes and caused untold amounts of suffering, as children are caught in-between feuding parents, and brought up in an environment that fosters selfishness, infidelity and conflict (hatred
really), instead of love and teamwork to overcome all obstacles, in effect training the children to repeat the same mistakes as their parents.

All because of our individual and collective INSANITY, in thinking we know better than God and refusing to keep and enforce His Law, His Statutes and His Judgements ONLY.

Keeping and enforcing God's Law would END adultery and the suffering that making adultery “legal” has caused. People CAN stop committing adultery (we are not powerless to resist temptation as “Christianity” wrongly teaches), and facing the REAL possibility of being lawfully executed for the CRIME of adultery would provide the NECESSARY incentive for people to do the right thing.

 

[A Freeman]

The Book of Enoch

Enoch is referenced throughout the Bible. Enoch is the first Prophet, and the only one ever to be "translated". Why then would the Roman Catholic church remove the Book of Enoch from the Bible? Was it because it warns the world about THEM, that THEY (the RCC) are deceiving the entire world, which is why they are going to be destroyed?

Enoch 58:1 Prince Michael the Archangel (Dan. 10:21; ch. 20:5) condemned and then decreed that The Judgement shall fall on CHURCH and STATE (Eze. 13:1-9; Matt. 23; Rev. 17:14; 19:2; Sura 3:64).

Or is it because it points out how to recognize and correct the mistakes that the RCC has INTENTIONALLY added to the Bible, to promote their pagan doctrines and traditions (e.g. EASTER)?

THE INCORRECT WRITING OF GOD'S WORDS PROPHESIED:-

104:8 They shall speak evil things; they shall utter falsehood (ch. 97:2); create a great creation (false religions and religious traditions and technology); and compose books of their own words (books of man-made laws; books of the religious traditions of their fathers; novels; etc.; etc.; etc. - ch. 68:13).

HOW TO RECOGNISE AND CORRECT THE MISTAKES:-

But when they shall write correctly all My words in their own languages,
104:9 They (My words) shall neither change nor diminish (Mark 13:31; Matt. 5:17-19); but when all shall be written correctly; ALL, which from the first I have uttered concerning them shall concur (John 10:35; Sura 15:9).
104:10 Another secret also I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given Books of joy, of integrity, and of great Wisdom. To them shall Books be given (Rev. 2:17), in which they shall believe (and Live by);
104:11 And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be rewarded, who from these (Books) shall acquire the Knowledge of The Straight Way.

 

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There is no question the story of the adulterous woman was added to the Bible because it was NOT present in the original texts, and only appeared later (hence it was added).

Specific question - when you refer to “original texts”, which codexes / papyri do you mean?

I presume from your assertions that you accept Westcott & Hort’s hypothesis of how Bibles were suddenly changed?

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The Westcott and Hort - Lucian Recension Theory

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The Westcott and Hort - Lucian Recension Theory

To establish the supremacy of their new Alexandrian text in 1881, Westcott, and Hort argued that the Byzantine textual tradition (which includes the Textus Receptus) did not originate before the mid-fourth century and that it was the result of merging earlier corrupt texts. This so-called recension of the text was theorized to have been perpetrated by Lucian of Antioch.

They further argued that this text was taken to Constantinople, where it became popular and spread throughout the Byzantine Empire. Westcott and Hort also theorized that such a prevailing text type could only have happened if it was sanctioned by the church.

All of these claim were made without a single shred of historical evidence for this supposed empire-wide church council, these men simply picked out a place (Antioch), and a time (250-350 AD) and a coordinator (Lucian) and concocted a theory. All this sounds impressive but to this day, there is not one piece of historical evidence to support any of this theory.

Westcott and Hort rewrote the history of the text with their "Lucian Recension". For the most part liberals, today reject the validity of the Westcott-Hort Lucian theory. However, this does not repair the damage already done by this fairytale.

One of the most striking revelations is the paradox of textual criticism insisting that manuscripts be extant while being all too willing to theorize why the Byzantine texts were so prolific in the 4th century without even the slightest piece of extant historical evidence.

The Westcott and Hort Lucian Recension is just the first of a series of rationalizations and theories that critical text advocates have produced over the years, to try and explain the situation from their point of view. One such theory is called: "Method in Establishing the Nature of Text-Types of New Testament Manuscripts —Ernest C. Colwell." All of these theories have failed to produce any historical support for their theories and fail to sufficiently account for the widespread dominance of the Byzantine texts among churches in the 4th century.

So widespread was the Byzantine text by the 4th century that it would have taken 100-200 years to become so well established across the known world. It therefore stands to reason, the Byzantine text is much older than many critical-text advocates would have people believe. The New Testament was not complete until the end of the 1st century and so it makes greater sense to conclude that the Byzantine text has been there from the very beginning.