Are medicines permitted by God (according the REAL bible)

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Rather like Pharmacy, there are some very bad examples of it out there! Some good Christians are cessationists (meaning the gifts of the Spirit ceased to be exercised after the early church), others are (myself included) are “Continuationists” who take the alternate view.

I have seen more than enough evidence of the supernatural power of God, including healings seen first hand. On the other hand, with tongues in particular I have seen (and cringed through) many examples where people fake it.
Whether tongues are for today is a great separate topic.
I think A Freeman is trying to kill this thread for obvious reasons too.
From the above links in A Freeman's entries, he just revealed AJH believes New Age quackery as well as reincarnation, and karma.
What a mess.
 

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Anyone who actually believes that God wants us to be poisoned by all of these drugs -- so that pharmaceutical companies can continue to profit from the injuries, deaths and human suffering their poisons cause -- is totally INSANE.

Our ALL-POWERFUL and ALL-KNOWING, Loving, Merciful, Patient and Long-Suffering Creator has warned us against pharmacy, and the doctors who push it, for thousands of years.

The ONLY thing that keeps us from seeing this obvious threat to all human life on planet Earth is our own IGNORANCE (aka the ego/"self", which can never be corrected).
 

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Further from John Rappoport's report at: https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/pharmaceutical-industry-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-u-s-and-the-largest-criminal-group-in-the-world/ -

Every single pronouncement, on any subject, issued via the medical cartel’s Ministry of Truth (major media), would fall on disbelieving ears, and only increase general outrage.

Mainstream reporters and editors and publishers are well aware that telling the truth would undermine a basic institution of society.

The media are there to give credibility to society and its structures. That’s why they’re called “major” instead of “minor.”

When hard rains fall, the media are there with an umbrella to hold over organized society’s head. To walk away in the middle of a downpour would leave the status quo unprotected.

“Defending the Crown” is another way to put it. The King may make mistakes, he may commit heinous offenses, but he is the King, and therefore his position must remain secure.

Young journalists learn this point quickly. If in their zeal, they cross the threshold and attempt to expose a central myth, fairy tale, legend, they’re put back in their place. They absorb the message. Journalism has limits. Certain truths are silent truths.

Over the years, I’ve talked to reporters who are solidly addicted to obfuscations. Like any addict, they have an army of excuses to rationalize their behavior.

The medical experts are worse. Their pretense of idealism knows no limits, and is matched only by their fatuous claim to bullet-proof knowledge.

When you peel the veneer away, they are enablers, persons of interest, co-conspirators.

There is nothing quite like a high-minded, socially-positioned, card-carrying member of the King’s circle of protectors. The arrogance is titanic. Because what is being hidden is so explosive.

It is the duty of the Crown to make his subjects feel safe and protected and even loved.

No wonder he needs such a large army of trained helpers in and around the press.

He has them.

But their monopoly is breaking down.

We’re in a new breakout level of truth. It’s called independent media.

So…on the subject of epidemics, when public health officials, and their government enablers, and the compliant press, and doctors tell us that a new virus is sweeping the world, a vaccine will stop it, and we must take that vaccine…why should anyone fall in line and accept their words?

Professional liars, professional criminals may pretend they are spouting science, but they are merely relying on the ignorance of the public.

It may interest you to know that the US system of reporting severe adverse effects of vaccines is broken. There are no reliable numbers.
 

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Continuing from John Rappoport's report at: https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/pharmaceutical-industry-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-in-u-s-and-the-largest-criminal-group-in-the-world/ concerning the children -

Barbara Loe Fisher, of the private National Vaccine Information Center, has put together a reasonable estimate:

“But how many children have [adverse] vaccine reactions every year? Is it really only one in 110,000 or one in a million who are left permanently disabled after vaccination? Former FDA Commissioner David Kessler observed in 1993 that less than 1 percent of doctors report adverse events following prescription drug use. [See DA Kessler, ‘Introducing MEDWatch,’ JAMA, June 2, 1993: 2765-2768]”
“There have been estimates that perhaps less than 5 or 10 percent of doctors report hospitalizations, injuries, deaths, or other serious health problems following vaccination. The 1986 Vaccine Injury Act contained no legal sanctions for not reporting; doctors can refuse to report and suffer no consequences.”
“Even so, each year about 12,000 reports are made to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System [VAERS]; parents as well as doctors can make those reports. [See RT Chen, B. Hibbs, ‘Vaccine safety,’ Pediatric Annals, July 1998: 445-458]”
“However, if that number represents only 10 percent of what is actually occurring, then the actual number may be 120,000 vaccine-adverse events [per year]. If doctors report vaccine reactions as infrequently as Dr. Kessler said they report prescription-drug reactions, and the number 12,000 is only 1 percent of the actual total, then the real number may be 1.2 million vaccine-adverse events annually.”
Medical illiteracy in the population—the public health experts and the pharmaceutical titans feast on it. It allows them to get away with mass murder every day.

For those who think murder is too strong a word, I’ll close with this: it’s simple—when you’re in a profession that keeps killing and maiming people at a tragic and astonishing rate, and you know it and do nothing about it, you’re guilty. Period. No amount of evasion or excuse changes the fact.


THESE are the people telling you to believe their story about a pandemic. THESE are the people claiming the village has to be blasted in order to save it.



Jon Rappoport
 

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Anyone who actually believes that God wants us to be poisoned by all of these drugs -- so that pharmaceutical companies can continue to profit from the injuries, deaths and human suffering their poisons cause -- is totally INSANE.

Our ALL-POWERFUL and ALL-KNOWING, Loving, Merciful, Patient and Long-Suffering Creator has warned us against pharmacy, and the doctors who push it, for thousands of years.

The ONLY thing that keeps us from seeing this obvious threat to all human life on planet Earth is our own IGNORANCE (aka the ego/"self", which can never be corrected).
I would have died in 1984 if it wasn't for drugs as you put it.

Drugs have side effects, it doesn’t mean they are therefore poison.
Some drugs are bad, some are not.

Your black and white thinking is a serious sign of brainwashing/ mental instability.
 

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How could any truly loving and responsible parent allow their children to be poisoned by all of these drugs and injections?

How are these parents not complicit with the pharmacists/sorcerers and the witch-doctors/legalized drug-pushers?

Why aren't more so-called Christians enraged by this mass murder?

Instead, they come to this thread and attempt (in vain) to argue against God's COMMANDments and Loving Warnings in the Bible, falsely claiming that He couldn't possibly be talking about "modern medicine", as if Satan hasn't been deceiving us for thousands of years.

Shame on every one of you who is doing that.

No one has EVER been "saved" by taking pharmaceutical drugs/poisons, regardless of whatever Satan whispers in their ear to the contrary.

If you believe that perfect karma will not prevail on the Last Day for all of the child-murdering psychopaths and their accomplices, then you don't believe God (which would explain why so many here incessantly argue against Him, in vain).

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.
 

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How could any truly loving and responsible parent allow their children to be poisoned by all of these drugs and injections?

How are these parents not complicit with the pharmacists/sorcerers and the witch-doctors/legalized drug-pushers?

Why aren't more so-called Christians enraged by this mass murder?

Instead, they come to this thread and attempt (in vain) to argue against God's COMMANDments and Loving Warnings in the Bible, falsely claiming that He couldn't possibly be talking about "modern medicine", as if Satan hasn't been deceiving us for thousands of years.

Shame on every one of you who is doing that.

If you believe that perfect karma will not prevail on the Last Day for all of the child-murdering psychopaths and their accomplices, then you don't believe God (which would explain why so many here incessantly argue against Him.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.
Take a deep breath, relax. Stop panicking.
It seems that this subject is painful for you because it shines a spotlight on how questionable AJH's teachings are to put it politely.
I have heard other cult members get like you are typing when they are debating Christian apologists who are showing how unbiblical their leaders are.

Don't you value truth? What AJH says about medicine and not ever going to doctors is completely irrational and downright irresponsible. You know that is the truth.

You need to go to biblegateway.com and read the Book of Galatians slowly. If you cannot handle KJV, try ESV. Get your mind clear and get a cup of tea to relax you first.
I pray the true God opens your eyes to what the Bible actually says there.
Good night my time.
 

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Also, it goes without saying that anyone claiming that vaccines are somehow a separate discussion topic from the other drugs/poisons/"medicines" that the exact same corporate fictional pharmaceutical industry manufactures and the exact same hospitals, doctors and staff administer to their patients/victims, is being totally dishonest.

Poisons are poisons. And ALL pharmacy is poison.

Our Loving Father in heaven would NEVER want any of us to poison ourselves or each other. How much more obvious does it need to be made that Satan controls ALL pharmacy on this planet?

Unfortunately, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. And that is exactly what all of the proponents of satanic poisons/potions/witchcraft/pharmacy are doing: burying their head in the sand, because of the "inconvenient truth" about how many these poisons maim and murder every year.
 

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Fear

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-fire.

Fear makes you sick

https://lissarankin.com/how-fear-makes-you-sick/

Worrying about getting sick can make you sick
https://www.healthing.ca/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus/worrying-about-getting-sick-can-make-you-sick

https://naturalhealthpractices.com/blog/fear-can-kill-you/


Irrational Fear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cyoCE6dlks

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Vaxxed 2: The People’s Truth


Synopsis:
(from https://www.vaxxed2.com/synopsis)


In 2016, a media firestorm erupted when the Tribeca Film Festival abruptly censored and cancelled its documentary selection, VAXXED: FROM COVER-UP TO CATASTROPHE, amid enormous pressure from pro-pharmaceutical interests. The film's subject, Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist with the Centers for Disease Control, had done the unthinkable, as far as Big Pharma was concerned: He had admitted that the results of a pivotal vaccine safety study conducted by the CDC were fraudulent. That revelation had catapulted VAXXED from obscurity to notoriety—as well as made it a huge target of censorship. In no time, the film became a worldwide trending topic and sold out in every theater around the U.S.—and eventually in other countries—where it was shown.


Stunned by the enormous number of parents lining up outside the theaters with vaccine-injury stories to share, VAXXED producer Polly Tommey began to live-stream their voices. Each story reached millions of watchers worldwide. A beleaguered community that had once been silenced was finally empowered to rise up and tell their experiences with vaccines.


One outcome of VAXXED: FROM COVER-UP TO CATASTROPHE and the live-streamed injury accounts that followed in its wake was a second film, produced in 2019 and titled VAXXED II: THE PEOPLE'S TRUTH. This follow-up documentary covers scenes from the more than 50,000 miles that Polly and the VAXXED team traveled in the U.S. and around the world. The thousands of heart-rending interviews they conducted with parents, and doctors who have nothing to gain and everything to lose, have exposed the alarming extent of the world-wide vaccine injury epidemic.


We will have accomplished our mission when these two films' messages reach every single parent and guardian of young children on this planet and cause them to ask themselves: "Are vaccines really as safe and effective as we've been told?"


Official site:
https://www.vaxxed2.com

Vaxxed 2: The People’s Truth on Brighteon.com



If you CARE about your children, and you watch nothing else, you MUST watch VAXXED 2. After watching it, if you are not a psychopath, you should be absolutely OUTRAGED at the pharmaceutical industry, and understand WHY God COMMANDED you, in His Law, to EXECUTE everyone involved in pharmacy, including politicians who legislate mandatory vaccinations, in order to protect yourselves from them.


Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch/pharmacist to live.


Deuteronomy 18:9-13
18:9 When thou art come into the land which the "I AM" thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch/pharmacist,
18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer (medium).
18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the "I AM": and because of these abominations the "I AM" thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the "I AM" thy God.

Galatians 5:19-21
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, PHARMACY/SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit The Kingdom of God.

Exposing medical crime as WITCHCRAFT: Vaccines are medical SORCERY
 
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If it weren't for the antibiotics I took back in 2017 or so, I would of died from a nasty staph infection in the hand. It grew three times it's size!! I was getting that red line that goes up the forearm, trying to reach the heart. If I didn't get these antibiotics, it would of been the end of me. This is where I'm alright with the so called pharmaceuticals, if they really are trying to help us.
Now, some doctors throwing anti depressants on people to take them everyday is a different story. They just want to make money, and those drugs have really bad chemicals in them! They can harm the body.
It just depends on what the drugs are for, and if we really actually need them or not.
 

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From: https://naturalsociety.com/9-reasons-refuse-antibiotics-dangers-side-effects/ -
(a mainstream article that at least looks at the negative direct ill-effects that antibiotics have on the human body)

Read This before You Pop Another Big Pharma Antibiotic

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A study published by Mayo Clinic found that almost 70% of Americans are on at least one pharmaceutical; antibiotics top the list, followed by antidepressants, and opioid pain killers. This is a problem in of itself, as it the United States has transformed into a pill-popping, medication-dependent nation. What’s worse is that antibiotics in particular are doled out in copious, unnecessary amounts, so much so that bacteria are developing major resistance to this conventional treatment. This is now a potential danger of antibiotics, and a serious grand-scale side effect of antibiotic use.

Even the WHO is calling this resistance a global health crisis, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that the age of antibiotics must come to an end. That is the first reason to avoid antibiotic use.


While antibiotics have helped greatly with modern medicine, it seems that we need to start looking for alternative solutions. Here are 9 more compelling reasons to just say no to antibiotics.


9 More Reasons to Refuse Antibiotics
2. IBD (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)
According to a 2011 article published by Fox News, a scientific link has been established between antibiotic use and colitis. Antibiotic-induced colitis is caused by the toxins exuded by the bacterium Clostridium difficile following antibiotic treatment. While the majority of other intestinal bacteria have been killed off by the antibiotic, Clostridium difficile grows rapidly and releases toxins that damage the intestinal wall.

In fact, Crohn’s disease which has spread epidemic like over the past 50 years parallels the introduction and widespread use of antibiotics. There’s even a theory postulated by a couple of German scientists that Crohn’s is actually the mutation created from normal gut bacteria by antibiotics.

3. Liver Damage
A new study published in the journal Gastroenterology found that although all types of prescription drugs are linked to liver damage, antibiotics in particular were the worst offenders – the drug class most likely to cause serious harm to the liver. John Gever, Senior Editor of MedPage Today reported one researcher stating, “antimicrobial agents are the most common cause of drug-induced liver failure, with most cases ending in death or transplant.”

4. Cancer Link
One study found that those who had taken 6 or more antibiotic prescriptions had a 1.5 times greater risk of less common cancers compared with study participants who had the lowest antibiotic exposure.

Taking some antibiotics may slightly increase the risk of developing colon cancer, one study suggests. After controlling for known risk factors for colorectal cancer including obesity, diabetes, smoking, and alcohol, researchers found that those who had taken antibiotics, including penicillins, quinolones, and metronidazole, were 8 to 11% more likely to develop colorectal cancer.

A 2008 study in the International Journal of Cancer reported “the use of antibiotics was associated with an increased risk of cancer.”

5. AIDS
Perhaps it is no accident that the same group with the highest incidence of so called AIDS (view the video: “House of Numbers”) is also the group that uses more antibiotics than any other group in America.

6. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Repeated antibiotic use has been linked with chronic viral illness, including chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). About.com reports:

“Prominent ME/CFS researcher Kenny de Meirleir announced that he and his Belgian research team have uncovered a major cause of ME/CFS and a major underlying mechanism of the condition. According to Dr. de Meirleir, a major cause of ME/CFS is a high level of the chemical hydrogen sulfide (H2S). H2S can build up after antibiotic use, salmonella infection, or too much mercury exposure.”
7. Possible Fungal and Bacterial Overgrowths
Antibiotic use triggers the release of endotoxins (toxins produced within the body), which suppress the immune system. They destroy the “communication pathways between cells of the immune system”

Homestead.com explains, “Without these pathways in operation, immune cells don’t attack. Healthy gut flora supports immune function but does not replace those communication pathways.”

8. Recurring Infections
It is a myth that antibiotics are responsible for any decline in infectious disease. While antibiotics are helpful for many infections, they have not resulted in the elimination of infectious diseases by themselves.

In the book Beyond Antibiotics, authors use graphs to trace the incidence of the major infectious diseases from 1900 to 1973. All diseases researched were in decline for several decades before the introduction of antibiotics or vaccines. After reviewing the data, researchers John McKinlay and Sonja McKinlay concluded that “.. at most, 3.5% of the total decline in mortality since 1900 could be ascribed to medical measures introduced for the diseases considered here.” Improved nutrition and improved sanitation and hygiene were far more important than the ‘wonder drugs’ or vaccines to reduce these diseases.

Some research has revealed that those treated with antibiotics succumb to recurring infections more frequently than those who do not use antibiotics. For example, children with ear infections who are prescribed antibiotics routinely suffer from repeat infections. Of course there is always the possibility that children taking these antibiotics frequently for infections would suffer from the infections anyway, and that the antibiotics aren’t causing them to happen.


However, since antibiotics are in fact creating unstoppable bacteria, they are now somewhat responsible.

9. Weakened Immune System
Peter J. D’Adamo, ND, is a naturopathic physician and author known for his pioneering research on the interconnectedness of human blood groups, lifestyle, nutrition, and health.

Dr. D’Adamo explained:

“When you allow your body to go to war on its own terms, without antibiotic intervention, it develops not only a memory of specific antibodies to the current infection and any similar to it, but also the ability to fight more effectively the next time it is challenged or attacked.”
In other words, the “invaders” are getting stronger, but our immune systems are less prepared to handle them. Antibiotics suppress the immune system, as opposed to merely assisting it to do its job more effectively. In fact, antibiotics “cut off immune response.” They can reduce the level of infection, but they cannot eradicate it; only the immune system can do that.

10. Mitochondrial Damage
Pharmaceuticals are a major cause of mitochondrial damage, including statin medications, analgesics such as acetaminophen, antibiotics, and many others. Structurally, mitochondria are essentially modified bacteria. Antibiotics indiscriminately target bacteria. Mitochondrial disorders commonly manifest as neurological disorders, for example, neuropathy.
 

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the prefix "anti" means "against"

the "biotic" means "related to life" or "having to do with living organisms"

Therefore, "antibiotics" are poisons which work against life, to kill it.

If one applies common-sense, it should be self-evident that introducing anything that indiscriminately kills living organisms into the human body, is insane. The fact that there are so many "side-effects" (direct, deleterious effects really) on other parts of the human body should make it crystal clear that these poisons do not work as advertised.

And why would someone want to kill the bacteria the human body inherently has inside of it, that God created to "take out the trash"?

Unfortunately, when someone survives the process of using antibiotics, they credit the antibiotics for "saving" them, perhaps never realizing there are long-term ill effects they will have to pay for later. Also, the alternative short-term outcome (what would have happened if the antibiotics had not been taken), is rarely considered nor ever known.

 

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Who said that pharmacy/drugs/medicines didn't exist thousands of years ago? They have been around for thousands of years according to numerous historical records.

Modern medicine has access to some that may not have been readily available prior to the oil industry, but pharmacy is as old as Egypt, as are physicians, like the ones who used embalming chemicals on Jacob/Israel.

Read what the verses actually say. Physicians are WORTHLESS. And why do sick people need physicians? Because physicians make them and keep them sick, so they return as paying customers.

There isn't one single verse you've cited that grants permission to use pharmacy or medicines. And it didn't work out too well for those that did visit physicians, did it?

2 Chronicles 16:12-13
16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [was] exceeding [great]: yet in his disease he sought not to the "I AM", but to the physicians.
16:13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

(you seemed to have missed this one...probably just overlooked it, right?)
Nah... you pulled it out of context.
The jist--> even when Asa was dying, he STILL didn't call out to God. 2 Chronicles 2
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Most people here are already justifiably leery of modern medicine.

You are painting a very different picture, though, and it isn't about the dangers of modern medicine-- which are getting worse.

You're using it as an excuse to convince people they should allow themselves and their children to die (needlessly), so they don't pollute the gene pool-- so the strong can thrive.

There is no biblical basis for this.

And... you're making (another) false god out of Nature, in the process.

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Because I read about JAH Truth on this thread I went to the website last night. Believe it or not this guy thinks the Star Wars movies are real and that God wrote them. Also he believes Yoda is real. Go to website and look under movies if anyone doesn't believe me. I think at one time JAH took large amounts of LSD and is possibly out of his tree.
 
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I don't mind if things go slightly off topic for things like tongues [as long as it generally stays related to the thread], because it can be argued from a worldly point of view that it might be medical or psychological in nature.... basically I am trying to stop the thread from becoming a variation of other religious THEOLOGICAL beliefs versus Christianity that usually occurs if the brakes aren't hit immediately.
I hope people don't mind if I come across as blunt about that!
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Do you remember where she was, a general church or a special meeting? There are some controversial evangelists and churches where weird stuff happens unfortunately.
Her name is Beth and she has a website and YouTube channel called The Other Side of Darkness. She is an ex witch who claims her parents were satanists who molested her almost from birth and conducted satanic rituals with her. It is really strange stuff but I think she is sincere. You can still see pentagram tattoo on her arm from when she was witch and she addressed why it is still there in one episode. Also in one episode she started speaking in tongues which was kind of frightening.
 

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Her name is Beth and she has a website and YouTube channel called The Other Side of Darkness. She is an ex witch who claims her parents were satanists who molested her almost from birth and conducted satanic rituals with her. It is really strange stuff but I think she is sincere. You can still see pentagram tattoo on her arm from when she was witch and she addressed why it is still there in one episode. Also in one episode she started speaking in tongues which was kind of frightening.
I watched quite a few of Beth’s videos…


Romans 8 says:

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

I sometimes find it helpful when I pray to speak in tongues but almost never so others in a meeting can hear me, as I don’t feel that is the purpose of it (certainly for me).

1 Corinthians 14

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
 
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