Are new covenant saints called to keep the law?

[JFO2]

Its very important to realize that our performance, good works, and even our shortcomings are not things that ultimately determine our standing with God. Its solely based off of whether or not someone has called upon and received Gods son after making the determination that the gospel is true and Jesus is indeed the only hope, way, and salvation of mankind. If someone maintains belief in something contrary(like universalism and that there are many ways to God ) then they dont really believe in the gospel or the testimony that Christ gave concerning himself and humanity's true condition(fallen and in need of redemption).

In Christ and by belief in the gospel one is accepted, beloved, adopted, redeemed, and justified. They are no longer a rebel in the sight of God that lives in opposition to him, but have become a son or daughter through adoption.

God commands all men everywhere to repent and turn to him. There are many who need to repent of denying the gospel and what it says by submitting to the truth of what Gods word says. The truth is that anyone can get saved just

1) by seeking and asking for Gods forgiveness and acknowledging their guilt and that they have lived in rebellion toward him( by breaking his rules and commandments).

2) believing in the true gospel and by personally asking Jesus to save them.

People want to wrangle about words and make salvation a formula, but God knows the heart and will not turn away anyone who genuinely seeks him, believes in his son, and cries out to him for salvation!

There’s no shortage of people that do as you say. The majority of them though, don’t have the manners to thank Father for his help. And inevitably end up back to square 1.

 

[Lyfe]

There’s no shortage of people that do as you say. The majority of them though, don’t have the manners to thank Father for his help. And inevitably end up back to square 1.

What am I acctually saying others should do?

 

[JFO2]

What am I acctually saying others should do?

People tend to call on Father when it suits them, or class themselves as ‘Christians’ that have accepted Christ (whatever that means?) but carry on living their life no differently. When they’re in a pickle or need help, inevitably they’ll call on and receive Father’s help, but very few will actually thank him for it.

True thanks would be to do as God told us to in Deuteronomy, which is God’s correct opinion and desire for us (his will). Any other idea of what we need to do to be saved is mans opinion, not God’s.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

@JFO2

Scripture gives us a reason not to judge one another: “For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:10b–12, ESV). None of us are qualified to be the Judge. Only the Lord Jesus is qualified, and all judgment has been entrusted to Him (John 5:22). We will all stand some day before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ involves a time in the future when believers will give an account of themselves to Christ. This is the plain teaching of Scripture: “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10). The warning is to Christians, not unbelievers. As Jesus taught in His parable, the king is going to return, at which time he will require an account from his servants (Luke 19:11–26).

The judgment seat of Christ is different from the Great White Throne Judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the Great White Throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ does not determine our salvation; that matter was settled by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All our sins are forgiven, and there is “no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24, emphasis added).

So, believers are secure in Christ, but they still must appear before the judgment seat of Christ. It will be a time of examination and a time of reward. Jesus will inspect our works. What did we do with the resources God gave us? How faithful were we? Were we yielded to the Spirit, seeking to honor Christ and further His work in the world? If so, we will have reward (see Matthew 10:41–42). Did we neglect our opportunities to serve the Lord? If so, we will suffer loss of reward. Paul likens our Christian service to erecting a building:

Each one should build with care. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames (1 Corinthians 3:10b–15).

Note, in the above passage, that our works subsequent to Christ’s salvation are of two different types—good and bad. The “fire” of God’s scrutiny will reveal the quality of our works. As Arthur Pink points out, “‘Gold, silver, precious stones’ are of intrinsic value, whereas ‘wood, hay, stubble’ are a natural growth” (The Redeemer’s Return, ch. 8, pt. 5). Rewards are distributed to those whose works withstand the test. Those whose works have a natural source will “suffer loss.” Their works will be burned up, but they themselves “will be saved.” The judgment seat of Christ, then, does not confer or rescind salvation.

The judgment seat of Christ is also not a time to punish sin. Jesus took our punishment once and for all. The judgment seat of Christ is a time when we will be called on to report, to render an accounting of what we did for Jesus. It will be a serious and necessary time of reckoning, but, as God’s redeemed, we will never be condemned with the wicked. As one theologian put it, “It cannot be too strongly emphasized that the judgment is unrelated to the problem of sin, that it is more for the bestowing of rewards than the rejection of failure” (Chafer, L. S., Systematic Theology, Vol. IV: Ecclesiology-Eschatology, Dallas Seminary Press, 1948, p. 406).

In the Greek, a single word is used for “judgment seat” in Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10—the word is bema. A bema was a raised platform on which judges sat to view athletic games. Their job was to make sure contestants followed the rules and to present awards to the victors (see 1 Corinthians 9:24–27). The bema was never a place to reprimand the athletes or to punish them in any way. It was a place of testing and reward. In the same way, the bema of Christ will not be a place of condemnation or censure.

In anticipation of the judgment seat of Christ, we are careful in what we say and do in this life. James gives this advice: “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom” (James 2:12; cf. Matthew 12:36). We want to give our account with joy on that day, and that is why we strive to serve the Lord faithfully today.

The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things. The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. We believe the judgment seat of Christ is when the crowns will be awarded, and this will take place in heaven soon after the rapture of the church (as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18).

At the very end of the Bible, Jesus said, “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done” (Revelation 22:12). In preparation for the judgment seat of Christ, what are you choosing to “build” with? Gold, silver, and precious stones—things that will last? Or wood, hay, and straw—things that will not stand the day of testing?

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What is the judgment seat of Christ? What is the beam seat? If all of a believer’s sins are forgiven, what is there for Christ to judge at the judgment seat?

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[JFO2]

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@JFO2

Scripture gives us a reason not to judge one another: “For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. . . . So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:10b–12, ESV). None of us are qualified to be the Judge. Only the Lord Jesus is qualified, and all judgment has been entrusted to Him (John 5:22). We will all stand some day before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ involves a time in the future when believers will give an account of themselves to Christ. This is the plain teaching of Scripture: “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10). The warning is to Christians, not unbelievers. As Jesus taught in His parable, the king is going to return, at which time he will require an account from his servants (Luke 19:11–26).

The judgment seat of Christ is different from the Great White Throne Judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the Great White Throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.

The judgment seat of Christ does not determine our salvation; that matter was settled by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All our sins are forgiven, and there is “no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Jesus said, “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24, emphasis added).

So, believers are secure in Christ, but they still must appear before the judgment seat of Christ. It will be a time of examination and a time of reward. Jesus will inspect our works. What did we do with the resources God gave us? How faithful were we? Were we yielded to the Spirit, seeking to honor Christ and further His work in the world? If so, we will have reward (see Matthew 10:41–42). Did we neglect our opportunities to serve the Lord? If so, we will suffer loss of reward. Paul likens our Christian service to erecting a building:

Each one should build with care. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames (1 Corinthians 3:10b–15).

Note, in the above passage, that our works subsequent to Christ’s salvation are of two different types—good and bad. The “fire” of God’s scrutiny will reveal the quality of our works. As Arthur Pink points out, “‘Gold, silver, precious stones’ are of intrinsic value, whereas ‘wood, hay, stubble’ are a natural growth” (The Redeemer’s Return, ch. 8, pt. 5). Rewards are distributed to those whose works withstand the test. Those whose works have a natural source will “suffer loss.” Their works will be burned up, but they themselves “will be saved.” The judgment seat of Christ, then, does not confer or rescind salvation.

The judgment seat of Christ is also not a time to punish sin. Jesus took our punishment once and for all. The judgment seat of Christ is a time when we will be called on to report, to render an accounting of what we did for Jesus. It will be a serious and necessary time of reckoning, but, as God’s redeemed, we will never be condemned with the wicked. As one theologian put it, “It cannot be too strongly emphasized that the judgment is unrelated to the problem of sin, that it is more for the bestowing of rewards than the rejection of failure” (Chafer, L. S., Systematic Theology, Vol. IV: Ecclesiology-Eschatology, Dallas Seminary Press, 1948, p. 406).

In the Greek, a single word is used for “judgment seat” in Romans 14:10 and 2 Corinthians 5:10—the word is bema. A bema was a raised platform on which judges sat to view athletic games. Their job was to make sure contestants followed the rules and to present awards to the victors (see 1 Corinthians 9:24–27). The bema was never a place to reprimand the athletes or to punish them in any way. It was a place of testing and reward. In the same way, the bema of Christ will not be a place of condemnation or censure.

In anticipation of the judgment seat of Christ, we are careful in what we say and do in this life. James gives this advice: “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom” (James 2:12; cf. Matthew 12:36). We want to give our account with joy on that day, and that is why we strive to serve the Lord faithfully today.

The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things. The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. We believe the judgment seat of Christ is when the crowns will be awarded, and this will take place in heaven soon after the rapture of the church (as described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18).

At the very end of the Bible, Jesus said, “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done” (Revelation 22:12). In preparation for the judgment seat of Christ, what are you choosing to “build” with? Gold, silver, and precious stones—things that will last? Or wood, hay, and straw—things that will not stand the day of testing?

What is the judgment seat of Christ? | GotQuestions.org

What is the judgment seat of Christ? What is the beam seat? If all of a believer’s sins are forgiven, what is there for Christ to judge at the judgment seat?

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Im not judging anyone, I’m trying to understand the logic behind the theory that God’s word is no longer valid? To me it doesn’t make sense.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

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Im not judging anyone, I’m trying to understand the logic behind the theory that God’s word is no longer valid? To me it doesn’t make sense.

Who holds that theory?

 

[Lyfe]

People tend to call on Father when it suits them, or class themselves as ‘Christians’ that have accepted Christ (whatever that means?) but carry on living their life no differently. When they’re in a pickle or need help, inevitably they’ll call on and receive Father’s help, but very few will actually thank him for it.

True thanks would be to do as God told us to in Deuteronomy, which is God’s correct opinion and desire for us (his will). Any other idea of what we need to do to be saved is mans opinion, not God’s.

Do you do as God says to in Deuteronomy?

 

[Lyfe]

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Im not judging anyone, I’m trying to understand the logic behind the theory that God’s word is no longer valid? To me it doesn’t make sense.

It's actually people who contend our merit is determined by deeds that are suggesting God's word is invalid. See Galatians.

 

[JFO2]

Do you do as God says to in Deuteronomy?

I don’t mark my own exam paper so I’ve no idea how I’m doing. Although I’m familiar with the Deuteronomy laws and legislations and how to follow them.
I’m more curious as to how and when God’s word became void. Which part of the Old Testament / New Testament gives us permission to ignore the warnings (some of which are clearly and obviously about this time period) from God? As in, exactly what would happen (and now is happening) to us all unless we follow his law?

 

[JFO2]

Who holds that theory?

Anyone that doesn’t heed the warnings given to us by God in Deuteronomy 28.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Anyone that doesn’t heed the warnings given to us by God in Deuteronomy 28.

Obedience in a Christian’s life brings blessing, disobedience removes it. There are five cycles of discipline in Deut 28 and God is the same yesterday, today and forever. A worthwhile study and far more interesting than me trying to rough it down as it applies to Christians.

 

[Lyfe]

I don’t mark my own exam paper so I’ve no idea how I’m doing. Although I’m familiar with the Deuteronomy laws and legislations and how to follow them.
I’m more curious as to how and when God’s word became void. Which part of the Old Testament / New Testament gives us permission to ignore the warnings (some of which are clearly and obviously about this time period) from God? As in, exactly what would happen (and now is happening) to us all unless we follow his law?

This is actually what Deuteronomy says.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Galatians 3:10

Paul is quoting from that book here. Are you perfectly abiding by all things written in the book of The Law, or are you only trying to?

 

[JFO2]

This is actually what Deuteronomy says.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Galatians 3:10

Paul is quoting from that book here. Are you perfectly abiding by all things written in the book of The Law, or are you only trying to?

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

 

[JFO2]

This is actually what Deuteronomy says.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Galatians 3:10

Paul is quoting from that book here. Are you perfectly abiding by all things written in the book of The Law, or are you only trying to?

You’re once again using the excuse that it’s impossible to follow a set of rules.
It’s really not that hard. They’re very simple rules.

 

[Lyfe]

You’re once again using the excuse that it’s impossible to follow a set of rules.
It’s really not that hard. They’re very simple rules.

So then you keep the law?

 

[Dalit]

I think this could fit here.

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I was once attracted to law keeping, like I had to earn my salvation. That's a lie from the pit of hell. We can't earn salvation. Plus, that's the world's way. Earn your position, achieve until you pass out or die, etc. Please get off the performance treadmill. "You can't win, child."

 

[Lyfe]

I think this could fit here.

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I was once attracted to law keeping, like I had to earn my salvation. That's a lie from the pit of hell. We can't earn salvation. Plus, that's the world's way. Earn your position, achieve until you pass out or die, etc. Please get off the performance treadmill. "You can't win, child."

The way I see it is Jesus had the perfect resume. You can't add or contribute to anything that is already perfect. We are completely justified by HIS work.

 

[JoChris]

You’re once again using the excuse that it’s impossible to follow a set of rules.
It’s really not that hard. They’re very simple rules.

Do you know the Gospel, the Good News of why Jesus died for you?

 

[TokiEl]

God forgives since justice is served in Jesus Christ.


Is this a license to sin ? No of course not.

We establish the law !


We are no longer looking at the law and weighing our options and bending here a little and there a little like outlaws.

No we have become walking talking lawmen. L0L

 

[Lyfe]

God forgives since justice is served in Jesus Christ.


Is this a license to sin ? No of course not.

We establish the law !


We are no longer looking at the law and weighing our options and bending here a little and there a little like outlaws.

No we have become walking talking lawmen. L0L

In order to acctually keep the law you have to observe it perfectly. If you violate only one precept then you are lawbreaker.