LGBT+ movement starting to backfire [part 3]

[JoChris]

OK, ignoring the fact that the source data is still over a decade old - you do realize that this article isn't saying gay men are more likely to be pedophiles right? It says they're more likely to reoffend. This is within the pedo demographic itself.

That isn't what the article you linked says though. You'll have to find another to substantiate that point.

Yes. The statistics say MORE LIKELY to re-offend. It doesn't say WILL ONLY [therefore heterosexuals NEVER].
If a person re-offends, that means they offended a first time and then decided to hurt another child despite the penalty the first time. Doesn't that look worse than just offend?

It is your turn to find a research resource. Good luck finding one that says anything that isn't just synopsis only [fee to access full article] and/or is not militantly pro-TRANs though from past 5 years though.

Frankly it is very challenging finding ANY material that is not opinion piece now. The level of censorship is getting as bad as the olden days, only instead of the old-fashioned morals thought police it is the pro trans thought police.

 

[Wanderlust]

Yes. The statistics say MORE LIKELY to re-offend. It doesn't say WILL ONLY [therefore heterosexuals NEVER].
If a person re-offends, that means they offended a first time and then decided to hurt another child despite the penalty the first time. Doesn't that look worse than just offend?

It is your turn to find a research resource. Good luck finding one that says anything that isn't just synopsis only [fee to access full article] and/or is not militantly pro-TRANs though from past 5 years though.

Frankly it is very challenging finding ANY material that is not opinion piece now. The level of censorship is getting as bad as the olden days, only instead of the old-fashioned morals thought police it is the pro trans thought police.

I think we're speaking passed each other here. Gay men make up a minority of child predators. Within the demographic of predators though, they're more likely to reoffend (one factor that increases the likelihood is if they're mentally ill). You're grasping at straws here. I think even one offense is one too many. I don't think there's any such thing as "just" offending one child. Sorry.

The onus isn't on me to prove anything. I said there are more hetero pedos than gay ones, which there are. Even you admitted that. YOU were the one that contended that gays were more likely to be pedos, which you haven't been able to prove so I'm gonna assume it's just your prejudice talking. Sounds more like the idea came from some stereotyping as opposed to any sort of statistical backing.

 

[Lyfe]

A B C D E

FAGGOTS!!!!!

If you think you are right with God then you need to repent. Your heart is perverse

 

[JoChris]

I think we're speaking passed each other here. Gay men make up a minority of child predators. Within the demographic of predators though, they're more likely to reoffend (one factor that increases the likelihood is if they're mentally ill). You're grasping at straws here. I think even one offense is one too many. I don't think there's any such thing as "just" offending one child. Sorry.

The onus isn't on me to prove anything. I said there are more hetero pedos than gay ones, which there are. Even you admitted that. YOU were the one that contended that gays were more likely to be pedos, which you haven't been able to prove so I'm gonna assume it's just your prejudice talking. Sounds more like the idea came from some stereotyping as opposed to any sort of statistical backing.

Yes we are talking past each other. IMO you are determined to misunderstand. For an alleged 5-10% population LGBT+ commit crimes against children at a higher rate than straight people. It is relatively easy to find that information from before 2010 - then the language started to shift and become a lot more waffly.
Use Google scholar search "research journal gay versus heterosexual pedophiles", compare results before 2000 and then compare results 2010 onwards and you will see I am right.

Scholars were creating new words to hide the obvious. Us average folks who became alert to what was going on realised they were moving the goalposts on purpose.

Sexual abuse cases of boys involving homosexual men make it to the news because of the degree of the crime for it to make the news. Yes it is unfair for law-abiding LGB adults, but that is the way it is.

For me to vaguely remember a story from 10 years ago shows how disturbing and repugnant the story is.
e.g. ABC News (2013) - Australian paedophile Peter Truong jailed for 30 years in US after trafficking adopted son to Boy Lovers Network
The gay couple adopted a son, and then sold their abuse footage of the boy online.

Don't try and pretend a straight couple is as likely to do that to their son/ young male relative as gay people. I am not doing any more searches to prove my point for you now.

 

[Wanderlust]

Yes we are talking past each other. IMO you are determined to misunderstand. For an alleged 5-10% population LGBT+ commit crimes against children at a higher rate than straight people. It is relatively easy to find that information from before 2010 - then the language started to shift and become a lot more waffly.

Or... And hear me out here.... There are way more gay people than just 5-10%. Remember how I said there are many, many, many closeted men? How it can skew statistics? Because plenty of married, self ID "straight" men sometimes just have an "itch" for other men. Same happens with those disgusting monsters who abuse kids. It's not nonsensical considering that's how sexuality used to work in most cultures.

Use Google scholar search "research journal gay versus heterosexual pedophiles", compare results before 2000 and then compare results 2010 onwards and you will see I am right.

An I just supposed to take your word for it that you're telling the truth? Not exactly something I can check now is it?

Scholars were creating new words to hide the obvious. Us average folks who became alert to what was going on realised they were moving the goalposts on purpose.

You know, at one point high sexual desire/emotional expressions of anger was considered mental illness in women. Black people were considered mentally inferior and less human than whites. All of this was backed by "science" at one point and then the language changed. You're still trying to male a boogeyman of gay people when straight men are the ones who've done the worst to children over history. Again, child brides remember?

Sexual abuse cases of boys involving homosexual men make it to the news because of the degree of the crime for it to make the news. Yes it is unfair for law-abiding LGB adults, but that is the way it is.

For me to vaguely remember a story from 10 years ago shows how disturbing and repugnant the story is.
e.g. ABC News (2013) - Australian paedophile Peter Truong jailed for 30 years in US after trafficking adopted son to Boy Lovers Network
The gay couple adopted a son, and then sold their abuse footage of the boy online.

Don't try and pretend a straight couple is as likely to do that to their son/ young male relative as gay people. I am not doing any more searches to prove my point for you now.

Gabriel Hernandez:
Subjected to 8 months of torture "which included regular beatings, being shot in the face with a BB gun, forced to eat cat litter, locked in a cupboard for hours, and pepper sprayed. The cruel nightmare ultimately ended when his mother and her boyfriend beat him to death."

"According to family members, Pearl and her boyfriend, Isauro Aguirre, would call Gabriel “gay.” In fact, the first thing he told law enforcement when they responded to the 911 call was that Gabriel Fernandez was gay, which confused officers."

"During the trial, jurors were told the autopsy took an unusual two days because the injuries were so substantive. The thymus gland was barely there — a normal boy’s gland weighs about 100 grams, while Fernandez’s was about 10 grams. The coroner said this was due to stress atrophy, due to all the abuse inflicted on the boy."

'Trials of Gabriel Fernandez': 9 Most Shocking Details About the Murder at Heart of Netflix Documentary

Show details torture inflicted on Fernandez by his mother and her boyfriend, and the failure of protective services

www.google.com

Teghan Skiba:
A 4-year-old, Teghan Skiba, was terrorized, tortured and tormented for 10 days in a shed behind her home by her mom’s boyfriend, Jonathan Douglas Richardson. Teghan’s mom was away during this time for training with the army reserves. When arrested, Richardson kept a smirk on his face and mocked officers by saying “what are y’all gonna do? Tie me down and cut me up?”.

Teghan died three days after being admitted to the hospital.

Deputy: Tortured child's injuries 'most horrifying thing I've ever seen'

The injuries to 4-year-old Teghan Skiba were so severe that emotions overtook the seasoned Johnston County sheriff's deputy responding July 16, 2010, to UNC Hospitals, where doctors and nurses were doing everything possible to save the dying child's life.

www.wral.com

Sharon Glass and Michael Marshall:
Were arrested in March of 2012 for abusing Marshall’s 13-year-old son. This case of abuse includes locking the boy up in closets and zip tie him to his bed, starving him for days. Glass could get more than 100 years in prison and Marhsall is facing 20 to 40 years in prison.

Read the full story here: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/brevard-county/trial-continues-for-woman-accused-of-starving-13yearold/23862158[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row]


So if we're done comparing the atrocities performed on children, we can end it here. Maybe a straight couple is less likely to send their male child into a fucking gay pedo club but they seem more likely to do a plethora of other evil things. Stop trying to scapegoat gay men.

 

[JoChris]

Or... And hear me out here.... There are way more gay people than just 5-10%. Remember how I said there are many, many, many closeted men? How it can skew statistics? Because plenty of married, self ID "straight" men sometimes just have an "itch" for other men. Same happens with those disgusting monsters who abuse kids. It's not nonsensical considering that's how sexuality used to work in most cultures.


An I just supposed to take your word for it that you're telling the truth? Not exactly something I can check now is it?


You know, at one point high sexual desire/emotional expressions of anger was considered mental illness in women. Black people were considered mentally inferior and less human than whites. All of this was backed by "science" at one point and then the language changed. You're still trying to male a boogeyman of gay people when straight men are the ones who've done the worst to children over history. Again, child brides remember?


Gabriel Hernandez:
Subjected to 8 months of torture "which included regular beatings, being shot in the face with a BB gun, forced to eat cat litter, locked in a cupboard for hours, and pepper sprayed. The cruel nightmare ultimately ended when his mother and her boyfriend beat him to death."

"According to family members, Pearl and her boyfriend, Isauro Aguirre, would call Gabriel “gay.” In fact, the first thing he told law enforcement when they responded to the 911 call was that Gabriel Fernandez was gay, which confused officers."

"During the trial, jurors were told the autopsy took an unusual two days because the injuries were so substantive. The thymus gland was barely there — a normal boy’s gland weighs about 100 grams, while Fernandez’s was about 10 grams. The coroner said this was due to stress atrophy, due to all the abuse inflicted on the boy."

'Trials of Gabriel Fernandez': 9 Most Shocking Details About the Murder at Heart of Netflix Documentary

Show details torture inflicted on Fernandez by his mother and her boyfriend, and the failure of protective services

www.google.com

Teghan Skiba:
A 4-year-old, Teghan Skiba, was terrorized, tortured and tormented for 10 days in a shed behind her home by her mom’s boyfriend, Jonathan Douglas Richardson. Teghan’s mom was away during this time for training with the army reserves. When arrested, Richardson kept a smirk on his face and mocked officers by saying “what are y’all gonna do? Tie me down and cut me up?”.

Teghan died three days after being admitted to the hospital.

Deputy: Tortured child's injuries 'most horrifying thing I've ever seen'

The injuries to 4-year-old Teghan Skiba were so severe that emotions overtook the seasoned Johnston County sheriff's deputy responding July 16, 2010, to UNC Hospitals, where doctors and nurses were doing everything possible to save the dying child's life.

www.wral.com

Sharon Glass and Michael Marshall:
Were arrested in March of 2012 for abusing Marshall’s 13-year-old son. This case of abuse includes locking the boy up in closets and zip tie him to his bed, starving him for days. Glass could get more than 100 years in prison and Marhsall is facing 20 to 40 years in prison.

Read the full story here: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/brevard-county/trial-continues-for-woman-accused-of-starving-13yearold/23862158[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row]


So if we're done comparing the atrocities performed on children, we can end it here. Maybe a straight couple is less likely to send their male child into a fucking gay pedo club but they seem more likely to do a plethora of other evil things. Stop trying to scapegoat gay men.

You are muddying the water as a distraction tactic.
Child brides and other atrocities done in other time periods and societies have nothing to do with the subject "backlash against LGBT", unless LGBT+ themselves are guilty of child brides etc.

Yes there are multiple crimes done to children throughout history from people of every level of society, colour and sexual orientation. It is the dark side of human nature.
No amount of education or money removes it entirely, people just learn to hide/ explain it away more skilfully.

You may have had issues with Christians rejecting you in the past because you are a gay man, if yes don't put your baggage from them onto me.

This topic is an uncomfortable one for you because you are seeing first-hand that people like myself are "saying enough is enough, we said yes to you living your own life... and now you are indoctrinating our kids to become one of you".

Mainstream families want their kids to grow up, get in committed long-term heterosexual relationships and have kids of their own. LGBT+ is fighting against that openly now.
We don't hate you - we love our children and future grandchildren more than your feelings though.

 

[Wanderlust]

You are muddying the water as a distraction tactic.
Child brides and other atrocities done in other time periods and societies have nothing to do with the subject "backlash against LGBT", unless LGBT+ themselves are guilty of child brides etc.

Yes there are multiple crimes done to children throughout history from people of every level of society, colour and sexual orientation. It is the dark side of human nature.
No amount of education or money removes it entirely, people just learn to hide/ explain it away more skilfully.

You may have had issues with Christians rejecting you in the past because you are a gay man, if yes don't put your baggage from them onto me.

This topic is an uncomfortable one for you because you are seeing first-hand that people like myself are "saying enough is enough, we said yes to you living your own life... and now you are indoctrinating our kids to become one of you".

Mainstream families want their kids to grow up, get in committed long-term heterosexual relationships and have kids of their own. LGBT+ is fighting against that openly now.
We don't hate you - we love our children and future grandchildren more than your feelings though.

You're literally fighting a boogeyman lol. I'm mudding things but you make strong claims without a shred of evidence because "it was all removed years ago but trust me, I saw it myself".

Why is it that you rail particularly hard against crimes committed by (specifically the first three letters) of the LGBT community but ignore when I point out its not disproportionate or that hetero men commit crimes at a worst rate. Or that in order to claim gays commit these crimes at a disproportionate rate, you'd have to have an accurate measure of the gay vs straight population. Which as I've said, gets a little messed up when upstanding, conservative heterosexual men like to play around with other men and transwomen behind their hand-wringing wives' backs.

If I had to do the same thing you do to gays because of what elites push, then feminism was a mistake and women should go back to having no rights.

Because the average woman is obviously campaigning for the same BS mainstream radfems are. See the disconnect?

If I really cared enough about it, I could easily find a denomination that affirms gay relationships. They exist. And you'd probably say they're in the wrong for it but until God actually ordains you as his mouthpiece, I'll suggest you have no prestige over the hundreds if not thousands of varying Christian doctrines on ANYTHING, let alone homosexuality.

The truth is Christians can't handle that gay relationships can be and often are just as healthy or even superior to hetero ones because unlike your community, our relationships aren't rooted in rigid roles and transactions. God allowed gay people the ability to feel attraction to the same sex, fall in love and be intimate with each other and it harms literally no one. It also bothers you to see that the degenerates are a minority in the community, LGB can be literally anyone around you and you wouldn't even know.

We aren't the elites as a group just as the elites aren't women as a group despite the ideologies they push.

 

[Wanderlust]

You are muddying the water as a distraction tactic.
Child brides and other atrocities done in other time periods and societies have nothing to do with the subject "backlash against LGBT", unless LGBT+ themselves are guilty of child brides etc.

Yes there are multiple crimes done to children throughout history from people of every level of society, colour and sexual orientation. It is the dark side of human nature.
No amount of education or money removes it entirely, people just learn to hide/ explain it away more skilfully.

You may have had issues with Christians rejecting you in the past because you are a gay man, if yes don't put your baggage from them onto me.

This topic is an uncomfortable one for you because you are seeing first-hand that people like myself are "saying enough is enough, we said yes to you living your own life... and now you are indoctrinating our kids to become one of you".

Mainstream families want their kids to grow up, get in committed long-term heterosexual relationships and have kids of their own. LGBT+ is fighting against that openly now.
We don't hate you - we love our children and future grandchildren more than your feelings.

Also, people like you tend to live in bubbles that burst rather coldly when your husband or son turns out to be hiding a secret from you. It's always the people who hold a little too staunchly onto conservative/trad beliefs that host the most repression. Maybe why so many of your pastors and priests get outed.

 

[Wigi]

The truth is Christians can't handle that gay relationships can be and often are just as healthy or even superior to hetero ones because unlike your community, our relationships aren't rooted in rigid roles and transactions.

Or the truth is that LGBTQism is one of the major psy-ops from the past decades in an attempt to effectively destroy the family unit in the western world. All made possible by those choosing to be the useful idiots at the hands of tptb ideology.

Men and Women were made to be in a complimentary relationship under the sacred bond of marriage, every other way of living our sexual life is a perversion of God's original gift. I expect you or someone to tell me my views are backwards and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter to me because whenever you try to please everyone you might aswell try to please the devil you know. I don't have any issue saying I don't want to endorse these crypto Babylonian values in all honesty.

You could practice sex without the feeling of guilt and whenever you pleased, as long as nobody got harmed.

The Racy Love Life of the Ancient Babylonians

The Babylonians were a society obsessed with sex

medium.com

God allowed gay people the ability to feel attraction to the same sex, fall in love and be intimate with each other and it harms literally no one. It also bothers you to see that the degenerates are a minority in the community, LGB can be literally anyone around you and you wouldn't even know.

In fact, we're born in sin which means we're naturally rebelling against God's guidelines in order to go after our own selfish desires. This rebellion manifest itself in various forms including sexual lusts/fetishes which are the works of the flesh.
I remember a gay co-worker of mine, a good person but he wouldn't stop trying to touch men's 'lower back' at work. He really couldn't control his lust, even tried to kiss me although he knew I wasn't gay.

My point is, you live in a world where you're told everything you're feeling is the truth and what you have to pursue. I'm feeling feminine? Time to be a woman I guess. I'm a tomboy? whoops I might be a guy after all. It's not far fetched to imagine zoophilia is next.
What's desirable in my opinion it's to be right with God because true unharmful Love only comes from Him. You may disagree but after seeing all the people who changes their minds years later, because yes they do, I'm coming to the conclusion that embracing LGBTQism is merely serving an agenda for your own destruction.

I think it's funny though that you'd say in a previous post no one care what the Bible has to say and then you suggest God is condoning anything here. Really trying to have your cake and eat it too I see.

As for the "it harms literally no one" part, maybe you should read all these articles describing an outbreak of STDs among some communities. Trust me it's not conspiracy and even far left website admits it (although they refused to admit monkeypox mostly affected LGBTQ smh)

STD Increase among Gay and Bisexual Men

2000 STD Prevention Conference - STD Increases among Gay and Bisexual Men Reported at National Conference

www.cdc.gov

America—Especially Gay America—May Be on the Cusp of an STD Epidemic. What’s to Blame?

Earlier this month, Poz magazine’s Benjamin Ryan drew attention to a concerning new study out of Northern California’s health system: Using data...

slate.com

Could STDs be our next epidemic? New CDC data says yes

There were 2.5 million reported cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis in 2021.

fortune.com

Ultimately you can live the life you want, enjoy life now and pay the debts later. I don't see why you'd expect this ideology wouldn't be challenged here though.

 

[Wanderlust]

Or the truth is that LGBTQism is one of the major psy-ops from the past decades in an attempt to effectively destroy the family unit in the western world. All made possible by those choosing to be the useful idiots at the hands of tptb ideology.

How can it be a psy OP when it's existed since the dawn of mankind in literally every society/time period? It was (and still is) so incredibly widespread and not until the advent of the Abrahamic faiths was it considered immoral. It existed right alongside the charge to have a family.

Men and Women were made to be in a complimentary relationship under the sacred bond of marriage, every other way of living our sexual life is a perversion of God's original gift. I expect you or someone to tell me my views are backwards and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter to me because whenever you try to please everyone you might aswell try to please the devil you know. I don't have any issue saying I don't want to endorse these crypto Babylonian values in all honesty.

The Racy Love Life of the Ancient Babylonians

The Babylonians were a society obsessed with sex

medium.com

Is that why heterosexuality has such a shining record of morality and genuine love?

In fact, we're born in sin which means we're naturally rebelling against God's guidelines in order to go after our own selfish desires. This rebellion manifest itself in various forms including sexual lusts/fetishes which are the works of the flesh.
I remember a gay co-worker of mine, a good person but he wouldn't stop trying to touch men's 'lower back' at work. He really couldn't control his lust, even tried to kiss me although he knew I wasn't gay.

OK, so due to all the stats on the sexual harassment women face from men means hetero men are predatorial. See how stupid this sounds? You had one bad experience with one gay guy. There were probably hundreds around you that you didn't even know were gay and didn't carry on that way.

My point is, you live in a world where you're told everything you're feeling is the truth and what you have to pursue. I'm feeling feminine? Time to be a woman I guess. I'm a tomboy? whoops I might be a guy after all. It's not far fetched to imagine zoophilia is next.
What's desirable in my opinion it's to be right with God because true unharmful Love only comes from Him. You may disagree but after seeing all the people who changes their minds years later, because yes they do, I'm coming to the conclusion that embracing LGBTQism is merely serving an agenda for your own destruction.

What about loving someone is self destructive exactly? Also the T part can chop and change their minds but I challenge you to find a long term study that shows formerly gay men who genuinely have no desire for men anymore and can be labeled straight. Also. The Exodus program me? Realized most of those men couldn't change their orientation.

I think it's funny though that you'd say in a previous post no one care what the Bible has to say and then you suggest God is condoning anything here. Really trying to have your cake and eat it too I see.

No, Wigi, I was playing devils advocate (the irony) by bringing that up. In case you missed it.

As for the "it harms literally no one" part, maybe you should read all these articles describing an outbreak of STDs among some communities. Trust me it's not conspiracy and even far left website admits it (although they refused to admit monkeypox mostly affected LGBTQ smh)

STD Increase among Gay and Bisexual Men

2000 STD Prevention Conference - STD Increases among Gay and Bisexual Men Reported at National Conference

www.cdc.gov

America—Especially Gay America—May Be on the Cusp of an STD Epidemic. What’s to Blame?

Earlier this month, Poz magazine’s Benjamin Ryan drew attention to a concerning new study out of Northern California’s health system: Using data...

slate.com

Could STDs be our next epidemic? New CDC data says yes

There were 2.5 million reported cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis in 2021.

fortune.com

Ultimately you can live the life you want, enjoy life now and pay the debts later. I don't see why you'd expect this ideology wouldn't be challenged here though.

Condoms would completely prevent that. Just like it would prevent epidemics running rampant in the hetero community (including STDs, teen pregnancy and broken homes). Also, are lesbians exempt from this because they have the lowest STD rate? You can't prove objective harm in homosexuality because there is none lol.

 

[Wanderlust]

Also @Wigi why did you specify "the western world"? Doesn't LGBTQ stuff not happen in other countries or are they just less important?

 

[Stucky]

School asks children under 12 if they identify as gay or transgender

Merkinch Primary School in Inverness is asking young children attending its classes if they are transgender or gay in controversial survey

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Out of respect to this thread this is the last time i will respond to you off topic.

Alright then, I'll compare it to the women in my life who have strong bonds with other women. And they're a mix of feminine vs masculine women btw. It's weird that a woman can speak so lowly of other women.

And ive known plenty of women in my life who have horrible backstabbing, abusive and toxic relationships with each other. Deliberately sabotaging each other, lying, betraying. In the case of same sex partnerships, cheating and lying. The fact that you know women who have "strong bonds" with each other does not mean that the opposite doesnt also exist.

In the other thread you claimed women will throw each other under the bus for men, so i think youve met some women like what im talking about as well...

And as a woman, some of us perceive being called or referred to as "masculine" as an insult. We are women, not men, regardless of mannerisms, clothing, temperament, etc.

And where did i speak lowly of women? I pointed out that some have toxic behavior patterns, and i said that i get along better with men in general. I also mentioned in the other thread that many women would prefer to stay home with their children than work, which is an opinion that i understand triggers some people.

The only people I've seen mock women for not falling into certain categories on this forum is men, funnily enough.

Yes some men do mock women for not falling into certain categories, but so do some women. These men mock women who dont fall into the stereotype of what a woman should be, and these women will attack any woman who doesnt call herself a feminist.

It's not what you say or don't say about men that makes me think you hate your own gender. It's what you say about women

Women who attack men are somehow not seen as hating women, even when it turns out in actuality they just hate everyone.

Any more off topic conversation that derails this thread will be responded to on the other thread, if at all.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

For me to vaguely remember a story from 10 years ago shows how disturbing and repugnant the story is.
e.g. ABC News (2013) - Australian paedophile Peter Truong jailed for 30 years in US after trafficking adopted son to Boy Lovers Network
The gay couple adopted a son, and then sold their abuse footage of the boy online.

Don't try and pretend a straight couple is as likely to do that

Here's one from just last summer

Georgia couple charged with using their adopted children to make child porn

A Georgia couple has been charged with using their two adopted children to record child pornography, police said.

nypost.com

During their search, deputies found evidence the pair, who were the children’s adoptive fathers, “were engaging in sexually abusive acts and video documenting this abuse,” the sheriff’s office said.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Regarding the myth about it being about "love" and that same-sex male relationships are somehow healthier than heterosexual relationships...

Unless by healthy we mean lack of monogamy, short duration of relationships, and anything from dozens to hundreds of partners in a lifetime...

An Open Secret: The Truth About Gay Male Couples — Joseph Nicolosi - Reparative Therapy®

“Being queer means pushing the parameters of sex and family, and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society.”

www.josephnicolosi.com

The gay community has long walked a thin public-relations line, presenting their relationships as equivalent to those of heterosexual married couples.

In 1968, Hoffman stated: “Sexual promiscuity is one of the most striking, distinguishing features of gay life in America” (p. 45). A much-cited study by Bell and Weinberg (1978), published by the Kinsey Institute, and often called the most ambitious study of homosexuality ever attempted, gathered its data before the AIDS crisis had begun. This study showed that 28 percent of homosexual males had had sexual encounters with one thousand or more partners. Furthermore, 79 percent said more than half of their sex partners were strangers. Only 1 percent of the sexually active men had had fewer than five lifetime partners. The authors concede: “Little credence can be given to the supposition that homosexual men’s ‘promiscuity’ has been overestimated” (p.82). “Almost half of the white homosexual males…said that they had had at least 500 different sexual partners during the course of their homosexual careers,” (p. 85).

William Aaron’s autobiographical book Straight draws similar conclusions:

In the gay life, fidelity is almost impossible. Since part of the compulsion of homosexuality seems to be a need on the part of the homophile to “absorb” masculinity from his sexual partners, he must be constantly on the lookout for [new partners]. Constantly the most successful homophile “marriages” are those where there is an agreement between the two to have affairs on the side while maintaining the semblance of permanence in their living arrangement. [p. 208]

He concludes:

Gay life is most typical and works best when sexual contacts are impersonal and even anonymous. As a group the homosexuals I have known seem far more preoccupied with sex than heterosexuals are, and far more likely to think of a good sex life as many partners under many exciting circumstances. [p.209]

The results of their study show that of those 156 couples, only seven had been able to maintain sexual fidelity. Furthermore, of those seven couples, none had been together more than 5 years. In other words, the researchers were unable to find a single male couple that was able to maintain sexual fidelity for more than five years. They reported:

The expectation for outside sexual activity was the rule for male couples and the exception for heterosexuals. Heterosexual couples lived with some expectation that their relationships were to last “until death do us part,” whereas gay couples wondered if their relationships could survive. (p.3)

Faced with the fact that gay male relationships are in fact promiscuous, gay writers have no choice but to promote the message that monogamy is not necessary.

And yes, i know that many of these homosexual "values" - polygamy, open relationships, multiple partners, one night stands - have been adopted by other demographics the population in more recent times, as a result of the cultural subversion. Still doesnt make it right, victimless, or healthy.

 

[JoChris]

Also, people like you tend to live in bubbles that burst rather coldly when your husband or son turns out to be hiding a secret from you. It's always the people who hold a little too staunchly onto conservative/trad beliefs that host the most repression. Maybe why so many of your pastors and priests get outed.

I am addressing your two posts here succinctly:
Yesterday out of personal curiousity and courtesy for you, I did my best to find what IMO was impartial information that could not [rightly] be accused by people as being biased one way or the other.
Frankly conservatives and academics who have been censored are correct. What is available now to the public is pro-LGBT+ propaganda or censored.
There is so much about academic censorship on Twitter alone that if future generations come to their senses they will be horrified about early 21st century's Internet Dark Ages, when people kept silent and rationalised "alternative sexuality"/ sterilised kids because they didn't want to be cancelled themselves.

Yes because of the circle you move in you would be meeting so-called straight men dabbling in the "dark side". The subtle threat you are giving people like myself doesn't scare us any more. We would much prefer our loved ones "come out" so we could make informed decisions and be true to ourselves as well. If it means cutting ties so you can all be "birds of a feather and flock together", then so be it.

P.S. I will be posting mostly conservative websites now on because they cover information current mass media is terrified to expose.

 

[Lizard King]

NAMBLA

 

[Lizard King]

It could be argued that all homosexuality is satanic. Because Satan does everything backwards.

 

[Doomsday Cult Mom]

Or the truth is that LGBTQism is one of the major psy-ops from the past decades in an attempt to effectively destroy the family unit in the western world. All made possible by those choosing to be the useful idiots at the hands of tptb ideology.

Men and Women were made to be in a complimentary relationship under the sacred bond of marriage, every other way of living our sexual life is a perversion of God's original gift. I expect you or someone to tell me my views are backwards and quite frankly, it doesn't really matter to me because whenever you try to please everyone you might aswell try to please the devil you know. I don't have any issue saying I don't want to endorse these crypto Babylonian values in all honesty.

The Racy Love Life of the Ancient Babylonians

The Babylonians were a society obsessed with sex

medium.com

In fact, we're born in sin which means we're naturally rebelling against God's guidelines in order to go after our own selfish desires. This rebellion manifest itself in various forms including sexual lusts/fetishes which are the works of the flesh.
I remember a gay co-worker of mine, a good person but he wouldn't stop trying to touch men's 'lower back' at work. He really couldn't control his lust, even tried to kiss me although he knew I wasn't gay.

My point is, you live in a world where you're told everything you're feeling is the truth and what you have to pursue. I'm feeling feminine? Time to be a woman I guess. I'm a tomboy? whoops I might be a guy after all. It's not far fetched to imagine zoophilia is next.
What's desirable in my opinion it's to be right with God because true unharmful Love only comes from Him. You may disagree but after seeing all the people who changes their minds years later, because yes they do, I'm coming to the conclusion that embracing LGBTQism is merely serving an agenda for your own destruction.

I think it's funny though that you'd say in a previous post no one care what the Bible has to say and then you suggest God is condoning anything here. Really trying to have your cake and eat it too I see.

As for the "it harms literally no one" part, maybe you should read all these articles describing an outbreak of STDs among some communities. Trust me it's not conspiracy and even far left website admits it (although they refused to admit monkeypox mostly affected LGBTQ smh)

STD Increase among Gay and Bisexual Men

2000 STD Prevention Conference - STD Increases among Gay and Bisexual Men Reported at National Conference

www.cdc.gov

America—Especially Gay America—May Be on the Cusp of an STD Epidemic. What’s to Blame?

Earlier this month, Poz magazine’s Benjamin Ryan drew attention to a concerning new study out of Northern California’s health system: Using data...

slate.com

Could STDs be our next epidemic? New CDC data says yes

There were 2.5 million reported cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis in 2021.

fortune.com

Ultimately you can live the life you want, enjoy life now and pay the debts later. I don't see why you'd expect this ideology wouldn't be challenged here though.

Wander Lust suppose the name is just an accident. I think not. I would guess Satan himself is lurking around here somewhere and thinks he is being clever with all the statistical claptrap and other nonsense. My only question is who here is possibly a current or former member of NAMBLA. One of Satan's main characteristics is enjoying mocking and deceiving Christians and a certain Mr. LUST seems a little too pleased with himself and his statistics.

 

[free2018]

I understand.


From my end, im concerned because i've seen hints of this distancing here and there. In my view it's contradictory and hypocritical.

For example, one of the sites that i often post stories from regarding the grooming agenda actually seems to be in support of "gay rights" and the brother of the editor identifies as a homosexual. I read just this morning from a different source that they apparently block comments that speak out against the LGB part.

Then i remember back in 2020 i was reading what the party platform was for the republican party in my state and there was no mention of homosexuals at all, instead they were trying to blame unmarried heterosexual couples for all of society's ills. Then the republican reps from my state voted in favor of the pro-homosexual marriage law that just got passed a couple of weeks ago.

I'm concerned that the goalposts have shifted and that most people will accept this separation and rationalize it as being somehow "normal" or "natural" compared to transgenderism. The claim of transgenderism being a "choice", while same sex behavior (as opposed to urges and feelings) is not, is a huge step in that direction.

Sort of similar to how some "conservatives" will accept trans people that will repeat the correct talking points.

At some point it's just people arbitrarily picking and choosing, and if there's no firm unchanging moral basis the goalposts are just going to keep shifting left.

The White House has always been full of trannies. They’ve sped up the NWO over the last three years. They want to beat Christ. They will fail.

Everything they are doing will fail. God already won.