LGBT+ movement starting to backfire [part 3]

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Edit: From another comment I realise General Discussion is intended to be non-religious.

If you recognise that your comment is from a religious/ non-religious viewpoint, please make that clear via statements like " as a Christian I believe...." or as an atheist" etc etc. It is OK to have an opinion, but please don't aim to convert others to your belief system.

After all this is an area that personal worldview has a massive impact on how we see the issue here.

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It is a new year therefore it deserves a new thread. Please give any information on how things are changing and relevant here! Truth is meant to be shared with others. We are a team in that way.
The truth will win in the end, like it always does. Reality outranks feelings.

Warning: This is a very dark topic, sensitive/ woke readers please be aware and do not let children view the links please.

People with a conscience have to take a stand against this demand to silence the average heterosexual person on their right to believe what they believe on LGBT+. Everybody should have the right to their own opinion, even if we believe they are wrong and vice versa.

The tide is starting to turn for real, as I showed earlier today in my last post https://vigilantcitizenforums.com/threads/lgbt-movement-starting-to-backfire-part-2.8912/page-57#post-537609.
This tweet had to be reposted here though!!! :D

A undercurrent on Twitter from the past few weeks is that LGB is really fed up with being lumped in TQ+.
1. It is LGB sexual preference versus TQ+ personal identity.
2. The perverts are coming out of hiding, but using "Q" as their victim status to fool the naive.
3. LGB is protesting at being put lumped in with "Minor Attracted Persons" by the average Joe.

Yes, Minor Attracted Persons is an attempted disguise term for ped0phile. The Scottish police were sprung on it and quickly rejected the term when people became aware of it.


 
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A undercurrent on Twitter from the past few weeks is that LGB is really fed up with being lumped in TQ+.
1. It is LGB sexual preference versus TQ+ personal identity.
2. The perverts are coming out of hiding, but using "Q" as their victim status to fool the naive.
3. LGB is protesting at being put lumped in with "Minor Attracted Persons" by the average Joe.
To be quite honest, i dont like this. I do not understand at all the concept of same sex behavior/identity is ok but we draw the line at trans.

This is a topic that I've done a lot of thinking about, and it is my belief that LGB is just as much of an "identity" as T.

The problems seem to stem from the fact that people can't seem to differentiate between urges/feelings and actions or identities. The fact that an individual feels same sex attraction does NOT mean that they have to act on it, or identify as LGB. Yet these individuals who dont want to be lumped in with T insist on clinging on to their LGB identity...

But i guess acknowledging that attaction does not = actions would actually lump them in with ped0s wanting to be called non offending MAPs so i can see the conflict of interest...
 

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To be quite honest, i dont like this. I do not understand at all the concept of same sex behavior/identity is ok but we draw the line at trans.

This is a topic that I've done a lot of thinking about, and it is my belief that LGB is just as much of an "identity" as T.

The problems seem to stem from the fact that people can't seem to differentiate between urges/feelings and actions or identities. The fact that an individual feels same sex attraction does NOT mean that they have to act on it, or identify as LGB. Yet these individuals who dont want to be lumped in with T insist on clinging on to their LGB identity...

But i guess acknowledging that attaction does not = actions would actually lump them in with ped0s wanting to be called non offending MAPs so i can see the conflict of interest...
Don't worry, I am not defending them!
Years ago one of my husband's relative's daughter made sure her family and grandparents were together in a restaurant when she publicly came out as lesbian. If it is "only" sexual why do they feel the need for that?

There is in-group division being made public now. Who would have imagined that happening 10 years ago?

As far as I know, LGB (only) has given no sign of being anti- TQ+ to mainstream society until now. By being united together they could share victim status and demand more attention due to higher numbers. Now it is backfiring properly LGB is trying to distance themselves.
I doubt that is going to work at all now.
 
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Don't worry, I am not defending them!
I understand.

There is in-group division being made public now. Who would have imagined that happening 10 years ago?

As far as I know, LGB (only) has given no sign of being anti- TQ+ to mainstream society until now. By being united together they could share victim status and demand more attention due to higher numbers. Now it is backfiring properly LGB is trying to distance themselves.
I doubt that is going to work at all now.
From my end, im concerned because i've seen hints of this distancing here and there. In my view it's contradictory and hypocritical.

For example, one of the sites that i often post stories from regarding the grooming agenda actually seems to be in support of "gay rights" and the brother of the editor identifies as a homosexual. I read just this morning from a different source that they apparently block comments that speak out against the LGB part.

Then i remember back in 2020 i was reading what the party platform was for the republican party in my state and there was no mention of homosexuals at all, instead they were trying to blame unmarried heterosexual couples for all of society's ills. Then the republican reps from my state voted in favor of the pro-homosexual marriage law that just got passed a couple of weeks ago.

I'm concerned that the goalposts have shifted and that most people will accept this separation and rationalize it as being somehow "normal" or "natural" compared to transgenderism. The claim of transgenderism being a "choice", while same sex behavior (as opposed to urges and feelings) is not, is a huge step in that direction.

Sort of similar to how some "conservatives" will accept trans people that will repeat the correct talking points.

At some point it's just people arbitrarily picking and choosing, and if there's no firm unchanging moral basis the goalposts are just going to keep shifting left.
 

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I understand.


From my end, im concerned because i've seen hints of this distancing here and there. In my view it's contradictory and hypocritical.

For example, one of the sites that i often post stories from regarding the grooming agenda actually seems to be in support of "gay rights" and the brother of the editor identifies as a homosexual. I read just this morning from a different source that they apparently block comments that speak out against the LGB part.

Then i remember back in 2020 i was reading what the party platform was for the republican party in my state and there was no mention of homosexuals at all, instead they were trying to blame unmarried heterosexual couples for all of society's ills. Then the republican reps from my state voted in favor of the pro-homosexual marriage law that just got passed a couple of weeks ago.

I'm concerned that the goalposts have shifted and that most people will accept this separation and rationalize it as being somehow "normal" or "natural" compared to transgenderism. The claim of transgenderism being a "choice", while same sex behavior (as opposed to urges and feelings) is not, is a huge step in that direction.

Sort of similar to how some "conservatives" will accept trans people that will repeat the correct talking points.

At some point it's just people arbitrarily picking and choosing, and if there's no firm unchanging moral basis the goalposts are just going to keep shifting left.
I recognise I have a weakness towards sympathising towards women because of several abuse survivors and battered wives I have known over the years. I grew up in an abusive home and my father was occasionally violent towards my mother. I want to give the lesbians who claim to be abuse survivors the benefit of the doubt.
I want to keep women and girls safe. It makes me so angry if I think of women who don't want to go to shelters because they know there is no guarantee they will be safe from men now.
The issue of consent is extremely close to me, because I had a very coercive relationship in my teens. Women should not go through what I did whether straight or LGB. Transwomen are pulling the TERF guilt trip card on lesbians often now. It is disgusting.

I want to protect men from being falsely accused of making women uncomfortable or grooming kids. I feel sorry for the homosexual men who do genuinely object from being assumed to be potential ped0philes even more than ever "thanks" to drag queens getting access to kids via book reading in libraries etc.

We shouldn't normalise it though, no matter how much our heartstrings are tugged. Like you say, now many in mainstream society will be more accepting of LGB [only] because at least "you aren't one of THEM" [ie. trans/queer-evangelists]. We live in a very sick world.
 
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I recognise I have a weakness towards sympathising towards women because of several abuse survivors and battered wives I have known over the years. I grew up in an abusive home and my father was occasionally violent towards my mother. I want to give the lesbians who claim to be abuse survivors the benefit of the doubt.
I want to keep women and girls safe. It makes me so angry if I think of women who don't want to go to shelters because they know there is no guarantee they will be safe from men now.
That's an understandable concern. I can definitely see how these women (although misguided) are in real physical danger if forced to share spaces with males, who are most likely physically stonger and sometimes still have functioning male parts.

I can see the pressing issue is that these women survive, and then the issue of them being wrong in their identity or behaviour can be addressed. Unfortunately, it appears that in these modern times it will not be addressed at all, as we live in an age of "if it feels good, do it" or "always act on your impulses without regard to a moral higher power ".

I acknowledge that it is hard for me to identify with this form of abuse, as i also came from an abusive household but in my case it was my mother who was physically and emotionally abusive. I also know that, while perhaps rare, females are capable of and do s*xually assault other females.
Transwomen are pulling the TERF guilt trip card on lesbians often now. It is disgusting.
I agree that it is disgusting, but i see it as more a logical result of the s*xual deviance in society. People are not living according to God's ordained natural order. And since this is not the religion subforum i should probably stop before anyone gets triggered.

I feel sorry for the homosexual men who do genuinely object from being assumed to be potential ped0philes even more than ever "thanks" to drag queens getting access to kids via book reading in libraries etc.
I wish I could find the source, but statistically males who are indulging in their same sex attraction DO have a higher probability of being ped0s. Goes back to the whole "unnatural relations" and "if it feels good do it" idea. There are exceptions of course, but as a parent i wouldn't want to risk it.

Also, LGB people DO groom children. They may not groom them to mutilate their bodies or chemically castrate themselves, but by discussing their personal lives with their students at school, for example, they are grooming them and letting them know that their lifestyle is an acceptable choice. I don't see much if a difference between that and drag queens reading to children to normalize their existence.

We shouldn't normalise it though, no matter how much our heartstrings are tugged. Like you say, now many in mainstream society will be more accepting of LGB [only] because at least "you aren't one of THEM" [ie. trans/queer-evangelists]. We live in a very sick world.
I agree.
 
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Natural news is not the best source, but i think this story shows the eugenics component on the sterilization of these children. While depopulation in general is a goal, i believe there is eugenics involved as well.


A now-shuttered government-run transgender clinic in the United Kingdom known as Tavistock was targeting autistic children for recruitment into the LGBT fold, we now know.

The Guardian dropped this bombshell in a recent report about the explosion of trans youth in the UK, many of whom were shuffled through Tavistock’s transition programs specifically because of this vulnerability.

“The Cass report stated that approximately one-third of children and young people being referred to Tavistock had autism or other types of neurodiversity,” the report states.

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“People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are, according to the largest study yet to examine the connection,” reported Spectrum News.

“Gender-diverse people are also more likely to report autism traits and to suspect they have undiagnosed autism.” (Related: Tavistock was exposed this past fall as the “mother” of all brainwashing institutions.)
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What this means is that autistic children are easier prey for manipulation by actors pushing an LGBT agenda – and specifically a trans agenda that targets children’s bodies, genitals, and hormones for alteration.
 

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I actually believe that the rise in all these unnatural affections and perversions come from generational curses and witchcraft. Practices that ones parents or someone in their family line engaged in. That's how witchcraft works. Witches can perform spells where they can get men to think they are a woman trapped in a man's body and vice versa. Someone can get freed and delivered in Jesus name, but they still need to renew their mind so those strongholds(thought patterns) come down. The root is all spiritual. Allot of these trans people were abused as a child and all trauma like this opens a massive doorway for unclean spirits.
 

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Don't worry, I am not defending them!
Years ago one of my husband's relative's daughter made sure her family and grandparents were together in a restaurant when she publicly came out as lesbian. If it is "only" sexual why do they feel the need for that?

There is in-group division being made public now. Who would have imagined that happening 10 years ago?

As far as I know, LGB (only) has given no sign of being anti- TQ+ to mainstream society until now. By being united together they could share victim status and demand more attention due to higher numbers. Now it is backfiring properly LGB is trying to distance themselves.
I doubt that is going to work at all now.
As a gay man, most of us weren't happy at any point to have the gender squad attached to us. It was always about consolidating numbers.
 

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I acknowledge that it is hard for me to identify with this form of abuse, as i also came from an abusive household but in my case it was my mother who was physically and emotionally abusive. I also know that, while perhaps rare, females are capable of and do s*xually assault other females.
In the past some people on VC forums have made a mention of their abusive mothers. Maybe we all see the world as potentially unsafe and secret because of the household we lived in? That is worthy of a different thread for sure. My social worker sister and I believe my mother is a covert narcissist.

I agree that it is disgusting, but i see it as more a logical result of the s*xual deviance in society. People are not living according to God's ordained natural order. And since this is not the religion subforum i should probably stop before anyone gets triggered.
The Puritans used the term Dark Providence to describe how God uses difficult circumstances etc that appears unfair/ wrong to us. Sometimes people only stop doing wrong because of negative circumstances that happen/ might happen to them. Criminal laws are there for a reason.

I think all people see the necessity for justice in the world. The amount of people who say they are not religious but want serious punishment for groomers (and that is being polite!) is creating some LGBT+ cheerleaders back off and complain.

I wish I could find the source, but statistically males who are indulging in their same sex attraction DO have a higher probability of being ped0s. Goes back to the whole "unnatural relations" and "if it feels good do it" idea. There are exceptions of course, but as a parent i wouldn't want to risk it.

Also, LGB people DO groom children. They may not groom them to mutilate their bodies or chemically castrate themselves, but by discussing their personal lives with their students at school, for example, they are grooming them and letting them know that their lifestyle is an acceptable choice. I don't see much if a difference between that and drag queens reading to children to normalize their existence.
I have read the same type of thing in the past and it would be good if more recent reports were released on it. However these days journalists and researchers seem terrified to state the obvious.
 

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As a gay man, most of us weren't happy at any point to have the gender squad attached to us. It was always about consolidating numbers.
Thanks for contributing! Despite our very different perspectives I am very interested in learning how you are managing this pushback that you see as very unfair for gay people.
Do you see the media as being responsible for putting TQ+ in same category as LGB (only) or was it for other reasons as well?
 

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In the past some people on VC forums have made a mention of their abusive mothers. Maybe we all see the world as potentially unsafe and secret because of the household we lived in? That is worthy of a different thread for sure. My social worker sister and I believe my mother is a covert narcissist.


The Puritans used the term Dark Providence to describe how God uses difficult circumstances etc that appears unfair/ wrong to us. Sometimes people only stop doing wrong because of negative circumstances that happen/ might happen to them. Criminal laws are there for a reason.

I think all people see the necessity for justice in the world. The amount of people who say they are not religious but want serious punishment for groomers (and that is being polite!) is creating some LGBT+ cheerleaders back off and complain.


I have read the same type of thing in the past and it would be good if more recent reports were released on it. However these days journalists and researchers seem terrified to state the obvious.
Most pedo scumbags are straight.

 
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