why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[monkeylove]

The connection between the catholic church and child trafficking

Are U.S. Bishops Complicit in the Trafficking and Exploitation of Migrant Children? | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

This article originally appeared on Complicit Clergy and was republished with permission.

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Also begs the question, why is the US govt funding the activities of the catholic church if there supposedly is separation of church and state?

Can't stick to the topic of Biblical Christianity, so raise a new one because no one will notice! Nice try, LOL.

 

[A Freeman]

You addressed none of my points. Divorce appeared in the OT but Jesus challenged it. Circumcision was prescribed in Jesus' world but Paul took exception in favor of gentile converts.

There's really no need for me to address any of your ridiculous points. All one needs to do is to read the Scripture, which proves your viewpoints to be in total error. THAT is the point. However, so that others are not misled by your total nonsense, please see the following, in direct answer to your erroneous assumptions...

This is what Jesus said about divorce:

Matthew 19:3-9
19:3 The politicians also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from The Beginning it was not so.
19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication (NOT adultery, which is a capital crime), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Only a complete fool would look at these statements and assume that Christ was changing The Law rather than simply offering a more detailed explanation of it, and how men have grossly misinterpreted it because of the hardness of their hearts (which is what prevents them from seeing things correctly, just as it prevents you from seeing this correctly).

"Circumcision" as Paul sometimes refers to it is speaking of the "Jews", whereas the "uncircumcised" are the Gentiles (Gal. 2:7-9). Other times it is speaking of physical circumcision (e.g. 1 Cor. 7:17-19)

Further yet, it is people's hearts that need to be circumcised

Deuteronomy 10:12-17 (from God's Law)
10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the "I AM" thy God require of thee, but to fear the "I AM" thy God, to walk in all His Ways, and to love Him, and to serve the "I AM" thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
10:13 To keep the Commandments of the "I AM", and His Statutes, which I command thee this day FOR THY GOOD?
10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens [is] the "I AM"'s thy God, the earth [also], with all that therein [is].
10:15 Only the "I AM" had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and He chose their seed after them, [even] you above all people, as [it is] this day.
10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked (arrogant and obstinate).
10:17 For the "I AM" your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the "I AM", and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest My fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings.

1 Corinthians 7:17-19
7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all communities.
7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? Let him not be circumcised.
7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of The Commandments of God [is crucial - see (Deut. 10:13 cited above)].

So much for your alleged contradiction, which turned out could simply be attributed to your lack of understanding, i.e. not knowing/understanding the Scriptures.

See, this is what happens when you rely on Biblical Christianity: you can't even resolve the internal contradictions in Scriptures!

As above please. It's you who are in obvious error, foolishly choosing to place your trust in a man (Acts 5:29) who blasphemously claims to be God Himself (The Holy Father - John 17:11) AND the Christ's alleged substitute here on Earth (Vicarius Filii Dei). How ridiculous!

Romans 2:24-29
2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, as it is written.
2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, IF thou keep The Law: but if thou be a breaker of The Law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
2:26 Therefore IF the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of The Law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, IF it fulfill The Law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress The Law?
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] NOT of men, but of God.

The pope IS the son of the destroyer, i.e. Satan's right-hand man here on Earth (2 Thess. 2:3-12), and ALL of his blind followers/children are destined for The Fire unless they come out of her (the "mother church"/RCC - Rev. 18:4), as we've been repeatedly warned for thousands of years.

Revelation 2:20-23
2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (ch. 17), which calleth herself a prophetess*, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the communities shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.

*the Latin word "vatic" means prophetess (old hag/the "mother church")

 

[A Freeman]

As the RCC has promoted the false doctrine that we allegedly no longer need to keep The Law that God gave us to save us based upon their errant interpretations of the letters of Paul -- a practice adopted by all of the Protestant denominations -- perhaps a logical analogy would help others understand the terrain where we presently find ourselves deployed.

A man was indebted well beyond his means, from a series of very poor decisions and being unwilling to properly manage his own personal affairs. As a result, that man was facing certain bondage that would eventually and inevitably lead to his death.

A good friend redeemed the man/debtor on his behalf, paying a terrible price for that debt.

The man/debtor asked his good friend if there was anything he could ever do to show his gratitude for what his good friend had done.

His good friend replied that he could best show his gratitude by making better decisions and properly manage his own, personal affairs, to avoid ever finding himself in that situation again, so that he could "pay it forward". That would, of course, be best for all involved, by preventing others from being unjustly punished by someone running up a debt they couldn't pay (in effect stealing from others).

It should be obvious that if the same man ran up yet another insurmountable debt after that, hoping he could take advantage of his good friend to pay off his debt for a second time, it would prove that he wasn't grateful at all, and was either incapable or unwilling to learn from his mistakes.

This is exactly what Scripture teaches us about sin (debt). The whole of The Law is based upon one universal principle: DON'T STEAL FROM OTHERS.

When someone commits adultery, they steal another man's wife.
When someone murders another, they unlawfully take the life of another.
When someone is wasteful, they steal precious resources from others.
When someone pollutes or destroys the environment, they steal its pristine nature from future generations.
When someone doesn't follow the Perfect Diet, they are helping to destroy our natural environment.
When someone takes another man's possessions without their permission, they are obviously stealing.
When someone rapes a woman or molests a child, they steal their innocence from them.

The list goes on and on for every single Commandment given to us in The Law, about relationships, about dealing with others justly and fairly, about the administration of justice, about the treatment of strangers, and about every other conceivable set of circumstances we might encounter during life here on planet Earth.

Unless someone foolishly believes we are all incurable kleptomaniacs, incapable of coveting and stealing from others, then it ought to become obvious why Christ teaches us that The Law will NEVER pass away, i.e. theft will NEVER be lawful in ANY form, regardless of whether men temporarily "legalize" theft, e.g. in the form of "offerings" given to church and taxes/tributes given to state, which are two heads of the same beast that is devouring men.

Gibberish. There is no false doctrine involved, as it was Paul himself who debated with fellow disciples on issues concerning Jewish versus gentile customs!

You clearly are seeing everything upside down and backwards, through human rather than spiritual eyes, and thus don't know what you're talking about. The RCC is the "Great Whore" according to Christ, Who has vowed to destroy it, beginning with its evil, blasphemous leader.

Those who refuse to come out of her will suffer the same fate, i.e. they will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[A Freeman]

Tradition is not seen as equal to Scriptures. Rather, Tradition is what determined which books to include in Scriptures!

Matthew 15:3-9
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud, Catechism, Book of Mormon, Hadith, etc.).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made traditions, doctrines and legislation, etc.).

 

[Lurking009]

Tradition is not seen as equal to Scriptures. Rather, Tradition is what determined which books to include in Scriptures!

RCC Catechism 82 Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.

Denying the RCC's own doctrine doesn't make it go away.

 

[monkeylove]

There's really no need for me to address any of your ridiculous points. All one needs to do is to read the Scripture, which proves your viewpoints to be in total error. THAT is the point. However, so that others are not misled by your total nonsense, please see the following, in direct answer to your erroneous assumptions...

This is what Jesus said about divorce:

Matthew 19:3-9
19:3 The politicians also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from The Beginning it was not so.
19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication (NOT adultery, which is a capital crime), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Only a complete fool would look at these statements and assume that Christ was changing The Law rather than simply offering a more detailed explanation of it, and how men have grossly misinterpreted it because of the hardness of their hearts (which is what prevents them from seeing things correctly, just as it prevents you from seeing this correctly).

"Circumcision" as Paul sometimes refers to it is speaking of the "Jews", whereas the "uncircumcised" are the Gentiles (Gal. 2:7-9). Other times it is speaking of physical circumcision (e.g. 1 Cor. 7:17-19)

Further yet, it is people's hearts that need to be circumcised

Deuteronomy 10:12-17 (from God's Law)
10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the "I AM" thy God require of thee, but to fear the "I AM" thy God, to walk in all His Ways, and to love Him, and to serve the "I AM" thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,
10:13 To keep the Commandments of the "I AM", and His Statutes, which I command thee this day FOR THY GOOD?
10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens [is] the "I AM"'s thy God, the earth [also], with all that therein [is].
10:15 Only the "I AM" had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and He chose their seed after them, [even] you above all people, as [it is] this day.
10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked (arrogant and obstinate).
10:17 For the "I AM" your God [is] God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the "I AM", and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest My fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench [it], because of the evil of your doings.

1 Corinthians 7:17-19
7:17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all communities.
7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? Let him not be circumcised.
7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of The Commandments of God [is crucial - see (Deut. 10:13 cited above)].

So much for your alleged contradiction, which turned out could simply be attributed to your lack of understanding, i.e. not knowing/understanding the Scriptures.


As above please. It's you who are in obvious error, foolishly choosing to place your trust in a man (Acts 5:29) who blasphemously claims to be God Himself (The Holy Father - John 17:11) AND the Christ's alleged substitute here on Earth (Vicarius Filii Dei). How ridiculous!

Romans 2:24-29
2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you, as it is written.
2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, IF thou keep The Law: but if thou be a breaker of The Law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
2:26 Therefore IF the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of The Law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, IF it fulfill The Law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress The Law?
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] NOT of men, but of God.

The pope IS the son of the destroyer, i.e. Satan's right-hand man here on Earth (2 Thess. 2:3-12), and ALL of his blind followers/children are destined for The Fire unless they come out of her (the "mother church"/RCC - Rev. 18:4), as we've been repeatedly warned for thousands of years.

Revelation 2:20-23
2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel (ch. 17), which calleth herself a prophetess*, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and ALL the communities shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.

*the Latin word "vatic" means prophetess (old hag/the "mother church")

You just supported my arguments! LOL.

Just for further context, the first group of Christians were Jews. Gentiles who joined them didn't follow Jewish customs!

That's just one more reason why Biblical Christianity is intellectually bankrupt.

 

[monkeylove]

As the RCC has promoted the false doctrine that we allegedly no longer need to keep The Law that God gave us to save us based upon their errant interpretations of the letters of Paul -- a practice adopted by all of the Protestant denominations -- perhaps a logical analogy would help others understand the terrain where we presently find ourselves deployed.

A man was indebted well beyond his means, from a series of very poor decisions and being unwilling to properly manage his own personal affairs. As a result, that man was facing certain bondage that would eventually and inevitably lead to his death.

A good friend redeemed the man/debtor on his behalf, paying a terrible price for that debt.

The man/debtor asked his good friend if there was anything he could ever do to show his gratitude for what his good friend had done.

His good friend replied that he could best show his gratitude by making better decisions and properly manage his own, personal affairs, to avoid ever finding himself in that situation again, so that he could "pay it forward". That would, of course, be best for all involved, by preventing others from being unjustly punished by someone running up a debt they couldn't pay (in effect stealing from others).

It should be obvious that if the same man ran up yet another insurmountable debt after that, hoping he could take advantage of his good friend to pay off his debt for a second time, it would prove that he wasn't grateful at all, and was either incapable or unwilling to learn from his mistakes.

This is exactly what Scripture teaches us about sin (debt). The whole of The Law is based upon one universal principle: DON'T STEAL FROM OTHERS.

When someone commits adultery, they steal another man's wife.
When someone murders another, they unlawfully take the life of another.
When someone is wasteful, they steal precious resources from others.
When someone pollutes or destroys the environment, they steal its pristine nature from future generations.
When someone doesn't follow the Perfect Diet, they are helping to destroy our natural environment.
When someone takes another man's possessions without their permission, they are obviously stealing.
When someone rapes a woman or molests a child, they steal their innocence from them.

The list goes on and on for every single Commandment given to us in The Law, about relationships, about dealing with others justly and fairly, about the administration of justice, about the treatment of strangers, and about every other conceivable set of circumstances we might encounter during life here on planet Earth.

Unless someone foolishly believes we are all incurable kleptomaniacs, incapable of coveting and stealing from others, then it ought to become obvious why Christ teaches us that The Law will NEVER pass away, i.e. theft will NEVER be lawful in ANY form, regardless of whether men temporarily "legalize" theft, e.g. in the form of "offerings" given to church and taxes/tributes given to state, which are two heads of the same beast that is devouring men.


You clearly are seeing everything upside down and backwards, through human rather than spiritual eyes, and thus don't know what you're talking about. The RCC is the "Great Whore" according to Christ, Who has vowed to destroy it, beginning with its evil, blasphemous leader.

Those who refuse to come out of her will suffer the same fate, i.e. they will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire.

It's the other way round! You live in some fantasy world where not only do you abide by Scriptures that are internally contradictory you even assume that Scriptures formed itself.

Your stance is many decades old, no different from that of nonsense Bible-thumping ignoramuses who preyed on similar ignorance of their peers, and then attacked mainstream Churches with the dream of forming their own, except that they'll call it a "fellowship" where they're "born again."

 

[monkeylove]

Matthew 15:3-9
15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the COMMANDment of God by your Tradition?
15:4 For God Commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to [his] father or [his] mother, [It is] a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition (Talmud, Catechism, Book of Mormon, Hadith, etc.).
15:7 [Ye] hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is FAR from me.
15:9 But in vain they do worship Me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men (man-made traditions, doctrines and legislation, etc.).

Citing from the same Scriptures that were selected through Tradition. What's next? Maybe cite a passage explaining why four Gospels were chosen because there are four winds?

 

[monkeylove]

RCC Catechism 82 Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.

Denying the RCC's own doctrine doesn't make it go away.

That's because the Biblical canon was formed through Tradition!

 

[Lurking009]

That's because the Biblical canon was formed through Tradition!

You're all over the place and trying to move goalposts. You stated: "Tradition is not seen as equal to Scriptures.". The RCC clearly states tradition is equal to scripture. Therefore your statement is false.

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

Any magnificent genius can claim that he or she read the Bible cover to cover, but what's the point of raising that in a forum that's has no ID and biodata verification? Your boasts are empty.

It's irrelevant if you dont believe I've read the Bible. God knows the truth.

The only reason I brought it up is because you implied i haven't read the Bible and dont know about the supposed "contradictions".

I noticed you didnt reply to the rest of my post.

So, if the eastern orthodox church was also involved in compiling (not writing) the scriptures, who's to say they're not the "true" church instead of the roman church? Because in case you didnt know, they claim to be the church Jesus Christ founded. While there may be errors, at least they didnt continue to invent doctrines for centuries after. At least they dont have a communist pope who's pushing the elites agenda. At least they're not receiving government funding to aid human trafficking.

You also did not respond to my points regarding Mary and the catholic church's idolatry and using her to push diana/"mother goddess" worship.

That's ok, i didnt expect a response. There doesnt appear to be one other than acknowledging, as books written by catholics do, that the catholic church turned pagan false gods into Mary and the saints to be more "relatable". Rather than convert the pagans, join them. You know, literally the opposite of what God said to do.

Can't stick to the topic of Biblical Christianity, so raise a new one because no one will notice! Nice try, LOL.

The topic is the catholic church and its errors.

 

[DavidSon]

If Adam wasn't an actual man, then neither was Moses -

Finally a piece of truth from the "Christian" truthers. If we were on the street I'd allow you to go along in your imaginary play-world but, being at a public forum, it's only proper that you're informed by the facts of human intelligence.

In the 1970's, within academic and scholarly disciplines, the debate on whether Moses could be labeled as a historical figure was put to rest. Obviously he and the historicity of every other Biblical character cannot be corroborated by outside, first person accounts. In my reading Saul of Tarsus is the only figure that can be reliably labeled as a historic personality, of course disregarding Darius or Cyrus where legends were centuries off the actual timeline. Currently there's a subtle trend toward research into Jesus mythicism, based on the lack of verifiable evidence of a physical man Jesus (which I'm reading a book on ATM).

I'm just updating you to the reality of the science and logic of historicity. To state it simply the Bible is not proof of Bible stories. I don't deny your right to follow a Jewish mystery cult, in fact I support traditional religious groups along with lower grade beliefs like nationalism as an opposition to technocracy and the gloablist military-financial complex. But hopefully you can understand why millions of people are dumping Christianity as a belief system...from the amount of delusion, fraudulence, fallacy, etc.

I want to look deeper into it but consider what @monkeylove is proposing: tradition>scripture. With a book of 100% made up tales and crack-pot theories, the only thing valid is the tradition of the Church.

 

[Lurking009]

Finally a piece of truth from the "Christian" truthers. If we were on the street I'd allow you to go along in your imaginary play-world but, being at a public forum, it's only proper that you're informed by the facts of human intelligence.

In the 1970's, within academic and scholarly disciplines, the debate on whether Moses could be labeled as a historical figure was put to rest. Obviously he and the historicity of every other Biblical character cannot be corroborated by outside, first person accounts. In my reading Saul of Tarsus is the only figure that can be reliably labeled as a historic personality, of course disregarding Darius or Cyrus where legends were centuries off the actual timeline. Currently there's a subtle trend toward research into Jesus mythicism, based on the lack of verifiable evidence of a physical man Jesus (which I'm reading a book on ATM).

I'm just updating you to the reality of the science and logic of historicity. To state it simply the Bible is not proof of Bible stories. I don't deny your right to follow a Jewish mystery cult, in fact I support traditional religious groups along with lower grade beliefs like nationalism as an opposition to technocracy and the gloablist military-financial complex. But hopefully you can understand why millions of people are dumping Christianity as a belief system...from the amount of delusion, fraudulence, fallacy, etc.

I want to look deeper into it but consider what @monkeylove is proposing: tradition>scripture. With a book of 100% made up tales and crack-pot theories, the only thing valid is the tradition of the Church.

Wait... Is this you? -

"Come on man there are two creation stories in the Bible- chapter 1 and then 2. With that "Adam" has always known to be conceptual, an idea, allegory."

It doesn't matter whether you believe in the bible or not. The issue is that you claimed to know - from the bible, no less - that Adam was meant to be an allegory when in fact the bible claims he was an actual person. And then you ramble away on a tangent to distract from that fact.

This is a Christian thread, by the way, so you can expect to come across actual Christians who believe and uphold the bible.

 

[JoChris]

Wait... Is this you? -

"Come on man there are two creation stories in the Bible- chapter 1 and then 2. With that "Adam" has always known to be conceptual, an idea, allegory."

It doesn't matter whether you believe in the bible or not. The issue is that you claimed to know - from the bible, no less - that Adam was meant to be an allegory when in fact the bible claims he was an actual person. And then you ramble away on a tangent to distract from that fact.

This is a Christian thread, by the way, so you can expect to come across actual Christians who believe and uphold the bible.

It is the standard method of anti-Christian lurkers, use pseudo-intellectual language to try and convince readers they know Christian doctrine and the bible better than bible-believers themselves!! Consistency is of no importance - attacking believers' faith is the true goal. They refuse to believe the bible no matter what, and want to make others join them in their religion of disbelief.

 

[A Freeman]

It's the other way round! You live in some fantasy world where not only do you abide by Scriptures that are internally contradictory you even assume that Scriptures formed itself.

Your stance is many decades old, no different from that of nonsense Bible-thumping ignoramuses who preyed on similar ignorance of their peers, and then attacked mainstream Churches with the dream of forming their own, except that they'll call it a "fellowship" where they're "born again."

The lies that you are posting are based on the totally irrational assumptions that God is somehow powerless against puny humans to ensure His Message of Truth is delivered in the form in which He wishes to deliver it, that anyone in the RCC at any time in history has ever understood the Bible (which obviously isn't the case), and that the Truth allegedly contradicts itself.

It's you and the lies you are espousing that are self-contradictory. You've already been proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be in error about the Scriptures being contradictory when they are correctly translated and properly understood, and yet you cling to your fantasies/lies as if they are real and as if the truth is somehow not. In other words, you're seeing everything upside down and backwards.

According to the Scriptures, no one on Earth before these end times -- when Christ promised to return, break the seals and reveal the mystery of God for the very first time in human history -- has ever correctly understood the Bible, including all of the popes and every single Roman Catholic who has ever lived. IF the RCC had understood the Bible's Message of Truth, they would have tried to keep it away from everyone else, under lock and key. Oh wait, that's exactly what they did for over 1000 years, recognizing its divine, extraterrestrial origin and power, and hoping to capitalize on it just as their founder, Simon Pater the Sorcerer, did (Acts 8:9-24).

Instead of foolishly attacking the truth, why not make every effort to learn from it and LIVE by it? Wouldn't that be the wise and prudent thing to do given the fact you are on death row and about to find yourself in The Fire unless you change your deceitful, evil ways?

Learn The Way home or face The Fire. The title is self-explanatory.

Peace be upon you.

 

[A Freeman]

Finally a piece of truth from the "Christian" truthers. If we were on the street I'd allow you to go along in your imaginary play-world but, being at a public forum, it's only proper that you're informed by the facts of human intelligence.

In the 1970's, within academic and scholarly disciplines, the debate on whether Moses could be labeled as a historical figure was put to rest. Obviously he and the historicity of every other Biblical character cannot be corroborated by outside, first person accounts. In my reading Saul of Tarsus is the only figure that can be reliably labeled as a historic personality, of course disregarding Darius or Cyrus where legends were centuries off the actual timeline. Currently there's a subtle trend toward research into Jesus mythicism, based on the lack of verifiable evidence of a physical man Jesus (which I'm reading a book on ATM).

I'm just updating you to the reality of the science and logic of historicity. To state it simply the Bible is not proof of Bible stories. I don't deny your right to follow a Jewish mystery cult, in fact I support traditional religious groups along with lower grade beliefs like nationalism as an opposition to technocracy and the gloablist military-financial complex. But hopefully you can understand why millions of people are dumping Christianity as a belief system...from the amount of delusion, fraudulence, fallacy, etc.

I want to look deeper into it but consider what @monkeylove is proposing: tradition>scripture. With a book of 100% made up tales and crack-pot theories, the only thing valid is the tradition of the Church.

King of kings' Bible - 1 Timothy 5:20-21 (6:20-21 KJV)
5:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and OPPOSITIONS OF SCIENCE (knowledge) FALSELY SO CALLED:
5:21 Which some professing [to have] have erred concerning the faith. Grace [be] with thee. Amen.

Over two-thirds of the Bible is prophecy, over 99% of which has already been fulfilled in exact and minute detail. Only a complete fool would look at that track record and doubt that the remaining <1% won't similarly be fulfilled in exact and minute detail, including the total destruction of ALL organized religion, its teachers, priest, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., and ALL of their satanic man-made traditions, which make the Commandments of God of no effect.

The Koran/Quran, which was sent to confirm the Old and New Covenants depends upon these facts as it contains no new prophecies, but does indeed confirm the prophecies in the Bible, including the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus (Sura 4:157-159, 6:122, 19:33-34) and the Second Coming of Christ (Sura 43:57-61).

So anyone attempting to promote the Bible isn't true and/or that the Koran/Quran has replaced it, obviously doesn't know what they're talking about because the Koran/Quran could not exist without the Bible it was sent to confirm.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Finally a piece of truth from the "Christian" truthers. If we were on the street I'd allow you to go along in your imaginary play-world but, being at a public forum, it's only proper that you're informed by the facts of human intelligence.

In the 1970's, within academic and scholarly disciplines, the debate on whether Moses could be labeled as a historical figure was put to rest. Obviously he and the historicity of every other Biblical character cannot be corroborated by outside, first person accounts. In my reading Saul of Tarsus is the only figure that can be reliably labeled as a historic personality, of course disregarding Darius or Cyrus where legends were centuries off the actual timeline. Currently there's a subtle trend toward research into Jesus mythicism, based on the lack of verifiable evidence of a physical man Jesus (which I'm reading a book on ATM).

I'm just updating you to the reality of the science and logic of historicity. To state it simply the Bible is not proof of Bible stories. I don't deny your right to follow a Jewish mystery cult, in fact I support traditional religious groups along with lower grade beliefs like nationalism as an opposition to technocracy and the gloablist military-financial complex. But hopefully you can understand why millions of people are dumping Christianity as a belief system...from the amount of delusion, fraudulence, fallacy, etc.

I want to look deeper into it but consider what @monkeylove is proposing: tradition>scripture. With a book of 100% made up tales and crack-pot theories, the only thing valid is the tradition of the Church.

I wonder… what is your take on the spirituality (if that is the correct word) and ideas of this man?

We need to talk about… Yuval Noah Harari

What struck me is that for all Yuval’s hubris, he is actually just playing out the lines put in the mouths of the bad guys by C.S. Lewis in “That Hideous Strength” from 1945.

vigilantcitizenforums.com

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Just reading the to and fro of the comments above put me in mind that Christians really are in a spiritual battle. As such it does no harm to be reminded of the things that are true about that conflict. A friend sent this to me today:

It is a spiritual battle
Ephesians 6:12 - For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

The devil wants to destroy us
1 Peter 5:8-9 - Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. So resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brothers and sisters who are in the world.

God cannot lie
Titus 1:1-2 - Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ,]for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago,
Numbers 23:19 - God is not a man, that He would lie, nor a son of man, that He would change His mind; has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

Jesus is our only source for a rich life
John 10:10 - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came so that they would have life, and]have it abundantly.

Jesus is stronger than the devil’s lies
1 John 3:8 - the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
Acts 10:38 - You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

Sin does not have to be our ongoing practice
1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you except something common to mankind; and God is faithful, so He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
Ephesians 4:25-27 - Therefore, ridding yourselves of falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbour, because we are parts of one another. Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity.

We do not have to carry shame and guilt
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 4:18 - There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear]involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love.

Learn how the enemy operates
2 Corinthians 2:11 - so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
1 John 2:2 - and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

The devil will use people to spread lies
Matthew 7:15-17 - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
2 Timothy 3:13 - But evil people and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived
Matthew 24:24 - For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

God can equip us to stop the devil’s attempts to work in our lives
Ephesians 6:11 - Put on the full armour of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil.

The devil loses
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Romans 16:20 - The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The Koran/Quran, which was sent to confirm the Old and New Covenants...

Wait, what?!

 

[FilthPig]

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Is there day and night cycle in hell like on earth ? Is it also caused by sun ? In that case,where is hell located ? It has to be a physical place ,with all that sulfur and high temperature (vibration rate of molecules/atoms). Aint no pain or temperature in spiritual realm.