why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[A Freeman]

Might I venture to say that it is what people do in these places and the condition of their hearts that is the significant factor?

Would you be venturing that opinion in confirmation of Christ's true teachings on the subject though, or would you be venturing that opinion on behalf of Satan and his satanic churches, etc. and priests, pastors, etc.?

Christ said the ONLY reason people go to church is to be seen by others, and that they have their (earthly) reward for doing so, which is why we should seek God in privacy and humility (i.e. in the manner God has instructed us to communicate with Him rather than how we see fit in our own eyes - Deut 12:8).

Matthew 6:5-6
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).

The Koran (Quran) tells us the same thing (a couple of examples):-

Sura 4:142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching God, but He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen by men (Matt. 6:5), only little do they hold God in remembrance;

Sura 7:55. Call on your Lord with HUMILITY and in PRIVATE (Enoch 56:5; Matt. 6:6): for "I AM" loveth not those who trespass beyond bounds.

To illustrate, you could have a disorganised, outdoor gathering of witches, hating God and the patriarchy and dancing in the moonlight a few miles from an organised church in a building containing born again people who genuinely love the Lord.

As above please. Doing (or even arguing for doing) the exact opposite of what Christ instructs us to do is proof that one has not been born again from above.

 

[A Freeman]

Don’t forget that you are communicating with people who actually did go to church as children. This sort of description simply doesn’t mesh with my experience as a child. It’s rather like launching an angry tirade against the eating of apples with people who enjoy them and have ate a good many.

Just because everyone that went to church during their body's childhood didn't get molested or shot doesn't negate what was shared about the obvious evil that does go on inside of churches, on top of the fact that the leaders of such places are the spiritually blind leading the blind according to Christ.

It would literally and physically save lives, and save children the trauma of going through being molested, to heed Christ's Instruction to avoid such satanic places, which are reserved for heathens and hypocrites. And it would very obviously help save Souls for everyone to learn obedience to God and His Anointed One/Messenger/Angel: The Messiah/Christ.

What you are likening to an "angry tirade" is actually a loving warning to STOP the insanity of disobeying Christ's Commands, which are really Father's Commands (Deut. 7:16-17) that Christ was sent to convey, both by word and example.

One bad apple can and will spoil the entire bunch of apples given the opportunity and time to do so, and nobody would want to eat a bad apple, which would likely make them sick (just as it did Eve when she ate from the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil, and thus became confused, no longer being able to discern between the two).

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Just because everyone that went to church during their body's childhood didn't get molested or shot doesn't negate what was shared about the obvious evil that does go on inside of churches, on top of the fact that the leaders of such places are the spiritually blind leading the blind according to Christ.

It would literally and physically save lives, and save children the trauma of going through being molested, to heed Christ's Instruction to avoid such satanic places, which are reserved for heathens and hypocrites. And it would very obviously help save Souls for everyone to learn obedience to God and His Anointed One/Messenger/Angel: The Messiah/Christ.

What you are likening to an "angry tirade" is actually a loving warning to STOP the insanity of disobeying Christ's Commands, which are really Father's Commands (Deut. 7:16-17) that Christ was sent to convey, both by word and example.

One bad apple can and will spoil the entire bunch of apples given the opportunity and time to do so, and nobody would want to eat a bad apple, which would likely make them sick (just as it did Eve when she ate from the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil, and thus became confused, no longer being able to discern between the two).

If nothing else your replies are a refreshing alternative to traditional comprehension!

 

[lightseeker]

Christ said the ONLY reason people go to church is to be seen by others, and that they have their (earthly) reward for doing so, which is why we should seek God in privacy and humility (i.e. in the manner God has instructed us to communicate with Him rather than how we see fit in our own eyes - Deut 12:8).

What if no one is at the church? Is it still impossible to go for another reason than vanity?

Just because everyone that went to church during their body's childhood didn't get molested or shot doesn't negate what was shared about the obvious evil that does go on inside of churches, on top of the fact that the leaders of such places are the spiritually blind leading the blind according to Christ.

It would literally and physically save lives, and save children the trauma of going through being molested, to heed Christ's Instruction to avoid such satanic places, which are reserved for heathens and hypocrites. And it would very obviously help save Souls for everyone to learn obedience to God and His Anointed One/Messenger/Angel: The Messiah/Christ.

Children are 10x more likely to be abused at school, this is actually a story overblown by the satanic media to stop people going to church. I wonder why they would want that if churches are satanic, you’d think our media would be pro church

 

[Lurking009]

Which should serve as yet another witness of Who JAH really is.

Isaiah 42:18-22
42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
42:19 Who [is] blind, but My servant? or deaf, as My messenger [that] I sent? who [is] as blind as [he that thinks he is] perfect, and blind as the "I AM"'s servant (Israel)?
42:20 Seeing many things, but thou takest no notice; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
42:21 The "I AM" is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify The Law, and make [it] honourable (Deut. 33:21).


What is commonly referred to as "Sharia Law", i.e. "Islamic jurisprudence" is from the satanic hadith, NOT the Quran. The Quran repeatedly tells us it was sent to CONFIRM The Law (Torah) and the Gospel, which are found only in the Bible. It further strictly prohibits the writing of the hadith (and Sirah), which are adding to and/or taking away from God's Perfect Law (Sura 5:4), confirming what it says in both The Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:8, 12:32) and the Gospel (Matt. 5:17-20, Luke 16:17; see also: Sura 61:6-7).

There is only ONE Law, and that is The Law (Torah) that God gave us in the first five books of the Bible, via His Servant Moses, on Mt. Horeb in Sinai.


As above please.

Who cares? This is a thread specifically about the RCC. It gets really old when you push this nonsense in every thread. Start your own threads and stop taking over everyone else's. It's arrogant and rude.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Which should serve as yet another witness of Who JAH really is.

Isaiah 42:18-22
42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
42:19 Who [is] blind, but My servant? or deaf, as My messenger [that] I sent? who [is] as blind as [he that thinks he is] perfect, and blind as the "I AM"'s servant (Israel)?
42:20 Seeing many things, but thou takest no notice; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
42:21 The "I AM" is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify The Law, and make [it] honourable (Deut. 33:21).


What is commonly referred to as "Sharia Law", i.e. "Islamic jurisprudence" is from the satanic hadith, NOT the Quran. The Quran repeatedly tells us it was sent to CONFIRM The Law (Torah) and the Gospel, which are found only in the Bible. It further strictly prohibits the writing of the hadith (and Sirah), which are adding to and/or taking away from God's Perfect Law (Sura 5:4), confirming what it says in both The Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:8, 12:32) and the Gospel (Matt. 5:17-20, Luke 16:17; see also: Sura 61:6-7).

There is only ONE Law, and that is The Law (Torah) that God gave us in the first five books of the Bible, via His Servant Moses, on Mt. Horeb in Sinai.


As above please.

So do you ignore Islamic practice and narrow your law keeping to the 613 Mitzvot or reduce it down to the 10 commandments. If the former, how is that going, if the latter, what do you do on the Sabbath day to keep it holy?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Simple it's very pagan still, they pray to saints not just God, and idol worship is prevalent. That's what a friend of mine told me.

Just connecting the various threads of thought here, the Jehovah’s Witnesses (who seem to share a lot of their theology, excluding the promotion of the Qur’an, with @A Freeman btw) reference a work called “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop. He does a good job of critiquing much of the paganism that had entwined the doctrine of the church (especially the Catholic one) through the centuries. They mistakenly thought that Hislop had debunked the Trinity in the process, perhaps by too quick a reading of a 19th Century literary genre.

It would appear that far from doing this, Hislop upheld the Trinity (of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) whilst demolishing that of the Son, Mary and Father God (as popularly believed in Catholicism and polemicised in the Qur’an).

An ex JW does a very eloquent job here…

 

[Maldarker]

Just connecting the various threads of thought here, the Jehovah’s Witnesses (who seem to share a lot of their theology, excluding the promotion of the Qur’an, with @A Freeman btw) reference a work called “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop. He does a good job of critiquing much of the paganism that had entwined the doctrine of the church (especially the Catholic one) through the centuries. They mistakenly thought that Hislop had debunked the Trinity in the process, perhaps by too quick a reading of a 19th Century literary genre.

It would appear that far from doing this, Hislop upheld the Trinity (of Father, Son and Holy Spirit) whilst demolishing that of the Son, Mary and Father God (as popularly believed in Catholicism and polemicised in the Qur’an).

An ex JW does a very eloquent job here…

Was just going to bring that up.... that the JAH movement is very similar to JW....Y not use the YAH instead of JAH when the J was implemented by RCC aka JEHOVAH instead of the hebrew YAWEH so shouldn't it be YAH instead? or does this help? JAH BER IST its an enigma

 

[Lurking009]

Simple facts and just a few of the RCC vs. Bible contradictions, continued -

> RCC: Claims Mary directly intercedes, mediates and saves

His Holiness Pope John Paul II, March 25, 1987 
21 …Thus there is a mediation: Mary places herself between her Son and mankind in the reality of their wants, needs and sufferings. She puts herself "in the middle," that is to say she acts as a mediatrix not as an outsider, but in her position as mother. Her mediation is thus in the nature of intercession: Mary "intercedes" for mankind.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031987_redemptoris-mater_en.html

Ubi Primum, Pope Pius IX 1849 
The foundation of all Our confidence, as you know well, Venerable Brethren, is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For, God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation.

Great indeed is Our trust in Mary. The resplendent glory of her merits, far exceeding all the choirs of angels, elevates her to the very steps of the throne of God. Her foot has crushed the head of Satan. Set up between Christ and His Church, Mary, ever lovable and full of grace, always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamities and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from ruin.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net//pius09/p9ubipr2.htm

RCC Catechism 969 "Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

> BIBLE: Claims only Jesus Christ directly intercedes, mediates and saves

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men.

Heb 7:23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, He has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them.

Heb 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance – now that He has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
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> RCC: Mary was sinless

RCC Catechism 508 From among the descendants of Eve, God chose the Virgin Mary to be the mother of his Son. "Full of grace", Mary is "the most excellent fruit of redemption" (SC 103): from the first instant of her conception, she was totally preserved from the stain of original sin and she remained pure from all personal sin throughout her life

RCC Catechism 493 The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God "the All-Holy" (Panagia), and celebrate her as "free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature". By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.

> BIBLE: Only Jesus was sinless

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have One who has been tempted in every way, just as we are – yet was without sin.

1 Pet 1:18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from our forefathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

Rom 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all have sinned – 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world.
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The Mary of the RCC is essentially equal to Christ. According to RCC doctrine, she was immaculately conceived, sinless, saves, mediates, delivers and is worthy of faith and worship.

RCC Catechism from the official Vatican website: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

 

[A Freeman]

So do you ignore Islamic practice and narrow your law keeping to the 613 Mitzvot or reduce it down to the 10 commandments. If the former, how is that going, if the latter, what do you do on the Sabbath day to keep it holy?

What does The Law Command us to do? What does The Law say about all of these man-made religious rites, rituals and superstitions you keep quoting?

The Sabbath day is a day of rest. A day spent apart from the world, focused on getting to better know Father and His Law. No shopping or commerce, no assembling in churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. If one needs to travel on the Sabbath, then they can prepare for those travels the day before. That's why Friday is referred to as the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. The day preceding each High Sabbath is also a day of preparation (which doesn't necessarily fall on a Friday).

As far as ignoring man-made doctrines and traditions, everyone should be doing that, regardless of what organised religion is being cited. Islamic practices are based on the hadith and sirah, both of which were fabricated in contradiction to the Quran and the rest of the Bible (Old Covenant and New Covenant), just as the talmud was fabricated to carry on the (oral/made-up) traditions of the fathers in contradiction of The Law.

Didn't Jesus simplified The Law to Father's two Great Commandments?

Mark 12:29-31
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.

If one truly keeps these two great Commandments, they cannot break any of the other Commandments, Statutes and Judgments that Father has given us in His Perfect Law of Liberty. It's that simple.

Leave organised religion and its leaders alone. It is the blind leading the blind, unnecessarily complicating and confusing everything while leading their followers into the Pit/Fire.

Christians need to break free of ALL Roman Catholic rites, rituals, traditions and superstitions, many of which every single protestant denomination has accepted and continued in part or in whole, and return to keeping The Law, as Christ Commanded.

 

[JoChris]

A. FREEMAN:
I am calling you on one of your ridiculous claims.
Name ONE rite, tradition or superstition -NOT doctrine (as RCC, Protestants and Baptist churches would agree with Nicene Creed) that BAPTIST churches share with RCC.

E.g. Don't bother with anti-Sunday worship or Christmas or Easter or church gathering. OTHER churches have that in common with Baptist churches.
No Jahtruth bull**** or Kok cut-and-pasting permitted. If you paste a single KOK "verse" you are proving you are completely wrong and Jahtruth is as false a prophet as Muhammad.
Revised for clarity.

 

[JoChris]

Who cares? This is a thread specifically about the RCC. It gets really old when you push this nonsense in every thread. Start your own threads and stop taking over everyone else's. It's arrogant and rude.

He knows no one with any knowledge of the Bible is interested any more in talking about Jahtruth, the alleged Reincarnated Jesus Christ born in Sheffield UK in 1947/8.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

What does The Law Command us to do? What does The Law say about all of these man-made religious rites, rituals and superstitions you keep quoting?

The Sabbath day is a day of rest. A day spent apart from the world, focused on getting to better know Father and His Law. No shopping or commerce, no assembling in churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, etc. If one needs to travel on the Sabbath, then they can prepare for those travels the day before. That's why Friday is referred to as the day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. The day preceding each High Sabbath is also a day of preparation (which doesn't necessarily fall on a Friday).

As far as ignoring man-made doctrines and traditions, everyone should be doing that, regardless of what organised religion is being cited. Islamic practices are based on the hadith and sirah, both of which were fabricated in contradiction to the Quran and the rest of the Bible (Old Covenant and New Covenant), just as the talmud was fabricated to carry on the (oral/made-up) traditions of the fathers in contradiction of The Law.

Didn't Jesus simplified The Law to Father's two Great Commandments?

Mark 12:29-31
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.

If one truly keeps these two great Commandments, they cannot break any of the other Commandments, Statutes and Judgments that Father has given us in His Perfect Law of Liberty. It's that simple.

Leave organised religion and its leaders alone. It is the blind leading the blind, unnecessarily complicating and confusing everything while leading their followers into the Pit/Fire.

Christians need to break free of ALL Roman Catholic rites, rituals, traditions and superstitions, many of which every single protestant denomination has accepted and continued in part or in whole, and return to keeping The Law, as Christ Commanded.

So when you talk of the Law, you mean as far as Jesus summarised it?

Matthew 22

The Greatest Commandment
(Deuteronomy 6:1-19; Mark 12:28-34)

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

So are you trying to encourage people to love God and each other? I’m definitely on board with that, but now I don’t understand why the need for all this Qur’an integration and fires etc? Doesn’t mainstream Christianity promote that message anyway?

 

[JoChris]

Was just going to bring that up.... that the JAH movement is very similar to JW....Y not use the YAH instead of JAH when the J was implemented by RCC aka JEHOVAH instead of the hebrew YAWEH so shouldn't it be YAH instead? or does this help? JAH BER IST its an enigma

On the surface yes, but Jehovah’s Witnesses didn't teach blending of contradictory Bible and quran, reincarnation, UFO and gnostic heresies as well as Jesus Christ being only an angel.

 

[Padre_Neo]

While there are many things in Catholic teaching, that are unbiblical, there are many highlights, that Evangelical Christianity is slightly devoid of. One being is nobility in suffering and offering your suffering up. Catholicism somewhat venerates suffering as something to embrace, I don't see this as much in Evangelical Christianity. There are many great Doctors of the Catholic church, and many disciplines within it that I think really speak to a Christians walk, unfortunately, the Church promotes itself as the one true Church, and has all sorts of heresies within its teachings now. Interestingly enough, there has been a resurgence in Catholicism lately, in popular culture. I was quite impressed with the movie Father Stu. I can't help but feel though however that Catholicism is still very much rooted in a tribal nature, of being "part of the special lot" that have it completely right, and of a worldly sanctuary for being part of the tribe. But I myself find the Catholic tradition very beautiful at times, and aesthetically pleasing. There are also many Saints that lived pious lives and had a relationship with Christ that would put many to shame, St Patrick, Cuthbert, Bede and others. To throw the baby out with the bathwater and judge Catholicism as nothing more than heretical is short sighted.

 

[JoChris]

If nothing else your replies are a refreshing alternative to traditional comprehension!

Ah, the British wit... white Aussies bow to our ancestor's skill..

Brutal Insults From the 1800s That Demand a Comeback

God, you're being such a hornswoggler.

www.thrillist.com

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

While there are many things in Catholic teaching, that are unbiblical, there are many highlights, that Evangelical Christianity is slightly devoid of. One being is nobility in suffering and offering your suffering up. Catholicism somewhat venerates suffering as something to embrace, I don't see this as much in Evangelical Christianity. There are many great Doctors of the Catholic church, and many disciplines within it that I think really speak to a Christians walk, unfortunately, the Church promotes itself as the one true Church, and has all sorts of heresies within its teachings now. Interestingly enough, there has been a resurgence in Catholicism lately, in popular culture. I was quite impressed with the movie Father Stu. I can't help but feel though however that Catholicism is still very much rooted in a tribal nature, of being "part of the special lot" that have it completely right, and of a worldly sanctuary for being part of the tribe. But I myself find the Catholic tradition very beautiful at times, and aesthetically pleasing. There are also many Saints that lived pious lives and had a relationship with Christ that would put many to shame, St Patrick, Cuthbert, Bede and others. To throw the baby out with the bathwater and judge Catholicism as nothing more than heretical is short sighted.

I think it is interesting that as one segment of the Christian world rushes into the arms of the Laodocean “Health and Wealth”, pain-free, lukewarm Christianity of the last of the seven Churches of Revelation another segment backs away from it into the embrace of Rome.

I remember watching a Jim Caviezel’s interview with an evangelical interviewer and he made a powerful case for the value of suffering (and made the interviewer seem shallow and soft…)

Certainly we are promised tribulation in this world, and there is a certainly nobility (and future reward) to suffering for Jesus’s sake but where Catholicism goes badly wrong is when we supposedly earn our own redemption through those sufferings. While seeming virtuous, it actually negates the Gospel in the minds of many.

 

[Lyfe]

I don't think it's being implied that the non catholic churches aren't also deviating from the straight and narrow. We know how it plays out. The vast majority of church organizations we now see will bow to the beast. The true church will again associate in the underground.

 

[Padre_Neo]

I think it is interesting that as one segment of the Christian world rushes into the arms of the Laodocean “Health and Wealth”, pain-free, lukewarm Christianity of the last of the seven Churches of Revelation another segment backs away from it into the embrace of Rome.

I remember watching a Jim Caviezel’s interview with an evangelical interviewer and he made a powerful case for the value of suffering (and made the interviewer seem shallow and soft…)

Certainly we are promised tribulation in this world, and there is a certainly nobility (and future reward) to suffering for Jesus’s sake but where Catholicism goes badly wrong is when we supposedly earn our own redemption through those sufferings. While seeming virtuous, it actually negates the Gospel in the minds of many.

Definitely, Catholicism covers such a vast spectrum, I can't help but feel, there is a pure Christianity existing within it, that really operates in spite of its falsehoods. Catholics that seem to be truly born again, tend to hold onto this, and fall in line with that discernment, rather than lean towards the heretical teachings placing a value on the true nature of the gospel.

In my own experience with Catholics as you say, the doctrine itself, is so varied at this point and the expression of different Saints and figures, with different messages seemingly, its appealing that people can somewhat make their own version of Christianity. Its a very complex subject, I couldn't personally be a Catholic in good conscience, but I do believe there are Catholics that are truly saved, and others that aren't. I really struggled to find a fault in this speech and for hollywood, its a pretty good message in a movie.

 

[JoChris]

While there are many things in Catholic teaching, that are unbiblical, there are many highlights, that Evangelical Christianity is slightly devoid of. One being is nobility in suffering and offering your suffering up. Catholicism somewhat venerates suffering as something to embrace, I don't see this as much in Evangelical Christianity. There are many great Doctors of the Catholic church, and many disciplines within it that I think really speak to a Christians walk, unfortunately, the Church promotes itself as the one true Church, and has all sorts of heresies within its teachings now. Interestingly enough, there has been a resurgence in Catholicism lately, in popular culture. I was quite impressed with the movie Father Stu. I can't help but feel though however that Catholicism is still very much rooted in a tribal nature, of being "part of the special lot" that have it completely right, and of a worldly sanctuary for being part of the tribe. But I myself find the Catholic tradition very beautiful at times, and aesthetically pleasing. There are also many Saints that lived pious lives and had a relationship with Christ that would put many to shame, St Patrick, Cuthbert, Bede and others. To throw the baby out with the bathwater and judge Catholicism as nothing more than heretical is short sighted.

Judging which church/ religious leader is godly by outward appearances is very unwise at best.
Many other cults and false religions have beautiful buildings, artwork and music.
Many people who are non-Christians have done good works over history.