why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[monkeylove]

A plethora of genuine and falsely attributed books were produced. The “church” as in Christians of experience, learning etc used their knowledge and discernment to distinguish genuine from fake. In some circumstances that was easy, in others I suspect finer deliberations were involved.

One or two still raise debate like the Book of Gad the Seer and Enoch. I have read others and they genuinely don’t “fit in”.

My point is that it's illogical to attack the Church using the Bible because it was the former that selected works that would make up the latter. With that, sola scriptura makes no sense.

 

[A Freeman]

So DID Jesus [the real one] die on the cross then rise from the dead three days later or not?*

*simple question

Yes, Jesus (the real, mortal human Son of Mary) died on the cross and Father (God) raised/resurrected Jesus three days and three nights later, exactly as Christ prophesied (Matt. 12:39-40).

 

[A Freeman]

This makes no sense.

So God and His Christ make no sense to you?

If God does not dwell in temples made with human hands (because they are satanic), and Jesus plainly told us only heathens and hypocrites go to church (because they are satanic), to be seen by others (which is selfish and satanic), why would any true believer think it makes no sense to heed Their clear warnings to avoid such satanic places?

So I assume you aren’t against christians meeting in the name of Christ.

Where two or three are gathered in Christ's Name, to DO God's Will doesn't require building churches, synagogues, mosques or any other type of temple, does it?

But if they meet in a building suddenly it’s evil? Or is that ok but if it’s a building with a cross on the wall it’s evil? Or the cross is ok but if it has a bell tower that’s evil?

What part of "God does NOT dwell in temples made with (human) hands is so difficult for you to understand please? IF God wanted us to go to church He would say "build them and I will be there". Instead God has warned us against such evil and totally unncessary places, because He wants to be an invited guest in everyone's hearts and minds at all times, NOT for an hour each week. Why would God, Who made EVERYTHING, need a house or building of any kind (2 Sam. 7)?

It is Roman Catholicism that began building "Christian" churches and, in so doing, built the largest empire on Earth, owning more real estate, buildings (churches), stock, gold and other precious metals, artifacts, paintings, etc. than any other worldly corporation.

Get it straight in your mind: CHURCHES (and synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) ARE PLACES OF BUSINESS, I.E. THEY ARE DENS OF THIEVES AND VIPERS. The church leaders (priests, pastors, etc.) are the spiritually blind leading the blind. Why would God or His Christ want people to go to satanic temples/buildings, to be led astray to our destruction by the satanic priests, pastors, etc., all of whom work for Satan?

Christ built a COMMUNITY (ekklesia) of believers (Matt. 10:6, 15:24) on THE TRUTH, which will endure FOREVER.

God's "House" is the "House of Israel", NOT a satanic church building that God has condemned.

I think you really missed that mark of that teaching, which was about an attitude people had in prayer, not meeting in a building

Are you sure it isn't YOU in your spiritual slumber that has missed the mark?

What part of Christ's COMMAND to pray in PRIVATE is so difficult to understand?

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

 

[PsyOpPrinceII]

The attribution of Saturn to Satan post-dates the designation of the seventh day as the sabbath. Tells you a lot about the spiritual origins of mythology though…

I wouldn't use Saturn and Satan interchangably, but rather acknowledge the word Satan to mean adversary and they are not equivalent entities.

 

[PsyOpPrinceII]

"Saturday" and "Sabbath Day" sound enough alike that it should prompt someone who questions whether it's the seventh day of the week or not to look into it further. Please see the passage below about the Sabbath day (day of rest) that we have been Commanded to keep (Exod. 20:8-11).

Exodus 31:13-17
31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a "Sign" between Me and you throughout your generations; that [ye] may know that I [am] the "I AM" that doth sanctify you.
31:14 Ye shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the Sabbath of rest, holy to the "I AM": whosoever doeth [any] work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual Covenant.
31:17 It [is] a "Sign" between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the "I AM" made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

Some clear signs Father (God) has given us all that Saturday is the Sabbath day so that we will honour our perpetual Covenant (everlasting contract) with Him.

English ----- Saturday (Sabbath day)
Hebrew ----- Shabat (which means “rest”)
Greek ----- Σάββατο (Sabbato)
Latin ----- diēs saturnī (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Spanish ----- Sábado (Sabbath day)
Italian ----- Sabato (Sabbath day)
Portuguese ----- Sábado (Sabbath day)
Afrikaans ----- Saterdag (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Dutch ----- Zaterdag (Saturday/Sabbath day)
French ----- Samedi (Saturday/Sabbath day)
Swedish ----- Lördag (The Lord's Day)
Norwegian ----- Lørdag (The Lord's Day)
Danish ----- Lørdag (The Lord's Day)
Croatian ----- Subota (Sabbath day)
Polish ----- Sobota (Sabbath day)
Czech ----- Sobota (Sabbath day)
Russian ----- Суббота (Sabbath day)
Bulgarian ----- Събота (Sabbath day)
Romanian ----- Sâmbătă (Sabbath day)

The seventh day of the week, referred to today as "Saturday", is the weekly Sabbath day, also known as "the Lord's Day", because it's the day God raised Jesus from the dead. It is to be a day of rest, not a day to go to churches or synagogues, or mosques, or temples of any kind (nor should anyone go to those places any other day of the week).

Right—I'm informed about that. I am aware it is understood the Hebrew word for Saturn was derived after the designation of the Sabbath, but do you think there is anything to Saturn being called Shabbetai? beyond incorporating Roman myths?

 

[free2018]

Why Saturday? Does that not count for the reverence of Saturn?

It’s called Saturday after Saturn, but the first day of the week is actually today, Sunday.

 

[A Freeman]

Right—I'm informed about that. I am aware it is understood the Hebrew word for Saturn was derived after the designation of the Sabbath, but do you think there is anything to Saturn being called Shabbetai? beyond incorporating Roman myths?

Before the incorporation of the Babylonian/Roman myths, the planets had Biblical associations, e.g. Jupiter was considered to be the king of the planets because of its size, and Saturn was considered to be the protector of Israel (perhaps because it is encircled with rings/halos).

Some of these planetary designations were later "borrowed" by paganism e.g. Mercury being the "messenger" planet (messenger of God), which later represented the messenger of the gods" in polytheistic paganism. The same goes for the constellations.

Interestingly, these Biblical associations for the planets and constellations factor into pinpointing key historical dates described in Scripture, e.g. from: Glastonbury - Summerland , we find the following astronomical observations which were used to calculate the exact date that Jesus:-

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed in 1603 by the Astronomer Royal in Prague - Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April 7 B.C. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th). The earth-shattering significance of this conjunction – Messiah; King; Protector of Israel; Passover - would have been unmistakable to the Levitical Druid astronomers in the British Isles, where the monarch was also the Archdruid.

 

[lightseeker]

So God and His Christ make no sense to you?

If God does not dwell in temples made with human hands (because they are satanic), and Jesus plainly told us only heathens and hypocrites go to church (because they are satanic), to be seen by others (which is selfish and satanic), why would any true believer think it makes no sense to heed Their clear warnings to avoid such satanic places?


Where two or three are gathered in Christ's Name, to DO God's Will doesn't require building churches, synagogues, mosques or any other type of temple, does it?


What part of "God does NOT dwell in temples made with (human) hands is so difficult for you to understand please? IF God wanted us to go to church He would say "build them and I will be there". Instead God has warned us against such evil and totally unncessary places, because He wants to be an invited guest in everyone's hearts and minds at all times, NOT for an hour each week. Why would God, Who made EVERYTHING, need a house or building of any kind (2 Sam. 7)?

It is Roman Catholicism that began building "Christian" churches and, in so doing, built the largest empire on Earth, owning more real estate, buildings (churches), stock, gold and other precious metals, artifacts, paintings, etc. than any other worldly corporation.

Get it straight in your mind: CHURCHES (and synagogues, mosques, temples, etc.) ARE PLACES OF BUSINESS, I.E. THEY ARE DENS OF THIEVES AND VIPERS. The church leaders (priests, pastors, etc.) are the spiritually blind leading the blind. Why would God or His Christ want people to go to satanic temples/buildings, to be led astray to our destruction by the satanic priests, pastors, etc., all of whom work for Satan?

Christ built a COMMUNITY (ekklesia) of believers (Matt. 10:6, 15:24) on THE TRUTH, which will endure FOREVER.

God's "House" is the "House of Israel", NOT a satanic church building that God has condemned.


Are you sure it isn't YOU in your spiritual slumber that has missed the mark?

What part of Christ's COMMAND to pray in PRIVATE is so difficult to understand?

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.

So wherever people gather together in Christ’s name, Christ is present, but if it’s a building it’s satanic. I understand your oerspective, no need to reply

 

[A Freeman]

So wherever people gather together in Christ’s name, Christ is present, but if it’s a building it’s satanic. I understand your oerspective, no need to reply

It's not my perspective. All you've been offered is the Truth straight out of Scripture, to which you apparently have an aversion.

IF "Christians" were actually gathering in Christ's Name, they wouldn't be ignoring His Commands, would they?

 

[PsyOpPrinceII]

Before the incorporation of the Babylonian/Roman myths, the planets had Biblical associations, e.g. Jupiter was considered to be the king of the planets because of its size, and Saturn was considered to be the protector of Israel (perhaps because it is encircled with rings/halos).

Some of these planetary designations were later "borrowed" by paganism e.g. Mercury being the "messenger" planet (messenger of God), which later represented the messenger of the gods" in polytheistic paganism. The same goes for the constellations.

Interestingly, these Biblical associations for the planets and constellations factor into pinpointing key historical dates described in Scripture, e.g. from: Glastonbury - Summerland , we find the following astronomical observations which were used to calculate the exact date that Jesus:-

In the year 7 B.C. there was a conjunction of Jupiter (the king of the planets) and Saturn (thought to be the protector of Israel) in the Constellation of Pisces (the Sign of the Messiah), as computed in 1603 by the Astronomer Royal in Prague - Johannes Kepler, that was first visible at daybreak on the 12th of April 7 B.C. (Passover in 7 B.C. was on Monday April 13th which commenced at sundown on the 12th). The earth-shattering significance of this conjunction – Messiah; King; Protector of Israel; Passover - would have been unmistakable to the Levitical Druid astronomers in the British Isles, where the monarch was also the Archdruid.

I've heard of planet's Biblical associations, but it is difficult to find anything authoritative; could you supply me with any? As I have it, planets in the Testament have a strong astrological heritage (as per the Kabbalah).

P.S. I am taking time to read your verr interesting linked article, along with the referenced articles. Thank you very much

 

[Lyfe]

It's not my perspective. All you've been offered is the Truth straight out of Scripture, to which you apparently have an aversion.

IF "Christians" were actually gathering in Christ's Name, they wouldn't be ignoring His Commands, would they?

What if they gathered outdoors?

 

[ToxicFemininitySucks]

According to @A Freeman's book, indoor gatherings are permitted as "a shelter from sun, rain, and screaming children".

Here it is 11.49


NO idea how sheltering from children would harmonize with Jesus telling the apostles to suffer the children to come to him (Mt19:14, Mk 10:14) but yeah.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

According to @A Freeman's book, indoor gatherings are permitted as "a shelter from sun, rain, and screaming children".

Here it is 11.49
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NO idea how sheltering from children would harmonize with Jesus telling the apostles to suffer the children to come to him (Mt19:14, Mk 10:14) but yeah.

So outdoor fine,
Outdoor sheltered by a tent maybe
Walls and roof bad (unless outdoor / kids unfavourable?

Got to love the “religious” mindset!!!

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

I know that this has veered significantly off Catholicism now but I have to ask @A Freeman this:

Obviously the keeping of the Law is a big thing for JAH…

Are those who are reading their Bibles alongside their Qur’ans and consequently finding their way home and avoiding fire keeping the full OT Law AND full Sharia Law?

If not, why not?

If so, how?

 

[A Freeman]

I've heard of planet's Biblical associations, but it is difficult to find anything authoritative; could you supply me with any? As I have it, planets in the Testament have a strong astrological heritage (as per the Kabbalah).

The planets, constellations and important numbers were obviously created by Father (God) long before the counterfeit Jews (Ashkenazis and Idumaean Edomites) invented their astro-illogical nonsense and kabbalah games.

Several constellations are mentioned in Job. There is also Stonehenge, an astronomical calendar that the ancient Israelites built in south-central England.

With regard to important numbers, 7 in Scripture is God's number of completeness, 40 is usually considered to be a generation (Jesus was 40 when He was crucified), although 80 is also used, particularly as it pertains to the modern-day average lifespan (see Ps. 90:10).

P.S. I am taking time to read your verr interesting linked article, along with the referenced articles. Thank you very much

You're welcome.

 

[A Freeman]

What if they gathered outdoors?

The first churches/shrines were actually outdoor "groves". If you'll read through the Old Testament, it should become blatantly obvious that these ancient gathering places were an abomination to God.

Deuteronomy 12:1-3
12:1 These [are] the Statutes and Judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the "I AM" God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth [if ye keep The Covenant].
12:2 YE SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY ALL THE PLACES, WHEREIN THE NATIONS WHICH YE SHALL POSSESS SERVED THEIR GODS, UPON THE HIGH MOUNTAINS, AND UPON THE HILLS, AND UNDER EVERY GREEN TREE:
12:3 AND YE SHALL OVERTHROW THEIR ALTARS, AND BREAK THEIR PILLARS, AND BURN THEIR GROVES WITH FIRE; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

See also Exod. 34:11-14, Deut. 7:1-7, Judges 3:7, 6:25-30, 1 kings 14:15-23, 15:13, 16:30-33, 18:17-40, 2 kings 13:16, 17:6-19, 18:1-6, 21:1-7, 23:1-15, 2 Chron. 14:1-5, 15:16-17, 17:1-6, 19:1-3, 24:17-18, 31:1, 33:1-3, 33:19, 34:1-7, Micah 15:13-14, Isa 17:7-14, 27:9, Jer. 17:1-2

The above list may not be comprehensive, but it should provide plenty of examples of how the judges and kings of Israel that did good in God's Eyes got rid of the groves, while those that did evil built and multiplied them. Today's equivalent of there figuratively being "a church on every street corner".

Can you really not see that today's churches are merely places of business? With the invention of television came the tele-evangelists and "mega-churches", to leave no reasonable doubt that organized religion is nothing more than a revenue-generating means of mind-control.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

The first churches/shrines were actually outdoor "groves". If you'll read through the Old Testament, it should become blatantly obvious that these ancient gathering places were an abomination to God.

Deuteronomy 12:1-3
12:1 These [are] the Statutes and Judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the "I AM" God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth [if ye keep The Covenant].
12:2 YE SHALL UTTERLY DESTROY ALL THE PLACES, WHEREIN THE NATIONS WHICH YE SHALL POSSESS SERVED THEIR GODS, UPON THE HIGH MOUNTAINS, AND UPON THE HILLS, AND UNDER EVERY GREEN TREE:
12:3 AND YE SHALL OVERTHROW THEIR ALTARS, AND BREAK THEIR PILLARS, AND BURN THEIR GROVES WITH FIRE; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

See also Exod. 34:11-14, Deut. 7:1-7, Judges 3:7, 6:25-30, 1 kings 14:15-23, 15:13, 16:30-33, 18:17-40, 2 kings 13:16, 17:6-19, 18:1-6, 21:1-7, 23:1-15, 2 Chron. 14:1-5, 15:16-17, 17:1-6, 19:1-3, 24:17-18, 31:1, 33:1-3, 33:19, 34:1-7, Micah 15:13-14, Isa 17:7-14, 27:9, Jer. 17:1-2

The above list may not be comprehensive, but it should provide plenty of examples of how the judges and kings of Israel that did good in God's Eyes got rid of the groves, while those that did evil built and multiplied them. Today's equivalent of there figuratively being "a church on every street corner".

Can you really not see that today's churches are merely places of business? With the invention of television came the tele-evangelists and "mega-churches", to leave no reasonable doubt that organized religion is nothing more than a revenue-generating means of mind-control.

Might I venture to say that it is what people do in these places and the condition of their hearts that is the significant factor?

To illustrate, you could have a disorganised, outdoor gathering of witches, hating God and the patriarchy and dancing in the moonlight a few miles from an organised church in a building containing born again people who genuinely love the Lord.

 

[A Freeman]

According to @A Freeman's book, indoor gatherings are permitted as "a shelter from sun, rain, and screaming children".

Here it is 11.49
View attachment 83114

NO idea how sheltering from children would harmonize with Jesus telling the apostles to suffer the children to come to him (Mt19:14, Mk 10:14) but yeah.

Jesus indeed told His Disciples to suffer the little children unto HIM and NOT to some satanic church. How many children have been molested, raped and murdered by the churches and their clergy? How much more obvious does it need to be made that churches are DETRIMENTAL to the spiritual and physical health and well-being of both children and adults?

The Roman Catholics will cry that "it's just a few bad apples" as if that is a valid excuse for what their paedophile priests have done, even though it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. The bishops and cardinals, many of which are also paedophiles, not only cover up these crimes, but they shuffle the paedophile priests around so they can molest even more children.

And the Protestant denominations will point their fingers at the Roman Catholics, as if child molestation doesn't happen in the Protestant denominations too, which it does.

Please stop for a moment and THINK about all of the children who have been harmed inside of churches. And about all of the people in recent years who have been shot and murdered inside of churches.

NONE of these sexual assaults and murderers could have taken place if people would simply listen to and heed the numerous Biblical warnings to avoid building or going to these evil places.

Jesus said it would be better for a millstone to be hanged around the neck of every one of these child-molesting paedophile priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. and to then throw them into the sea rather than to offend even one of these little ones (Matt. 18:6). So why aren't "Christians" doing THAT instead of promoting these man-made, revenue-generating (Matt. 6:24) child-molesting establishments?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Jesus indeed told His Disciples to suffer the little children unto HIM and NOT to some satanic church. How many children have been molested, raped and murdered by the churches and their clergy? How much more obvious does it need to be made that churches are DETRIMENTAL to the spiritual and physical health and well-being of both children and adults?

The Roman Catholics will cry that "it's just a few bad apples" as if that is a valid excuse for what their paedophile priests have done, even though it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bunch. The bishops and cardinals, many of which are also paedophiles, not only cover up these crimes, but they shuffle the paedophile priests around so they can molest even more children.

And the Protestant denominations will point their fingers at the Roman Catholics, as if child molestation doesn't happen in the Protestant denominations too, which it does.

Please stop for a moment and THINK about all of the children who have been harmed inside of churches. And about all of the people in recent years who have been shot and murdered inside of churches.

NONE of these sexual assaults and murderers could have taken place if people would simply listen to and heed the numerous Biblical warnings to avoid building or going to these evil places.

Jesus said it would be better for a millstone to be hanged around the neck of every one of these child-molesting paedophile priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc. and to then throw them into the sea rather than to offend even one of these little ones (Matt. 18:6). So why aren't "Christians" doing THAT instead of promoting these man-made, revenue-generating (Matt. 6:24) child-molesting establishments?

Don’t forget that you are communicating with people who actually did go to church as children. This sort of description simply doesn’t mesh with my experience as a child. It’s rather like launching an angry tirade against the eating of apples with people who enjoy them and have ate a good many.

 

[A Freeman]

I know that this has veered significantly off Catholicism now but I have to ask @A Freeman this:

Obviously the keeping of the Law is a big thing for JAH…

Which should serve as yet another witness of Who JAH really is.

Isaiah 42:18-22
42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
42:19 Who [is] blind, but My servant? or deaf, as My messenger [that] I sent? who [is] as blind as [he that thinks he is] perfect, and blind as the "I AM"'s servant (Israel)?
42:20 Seeing many things, but thou takest no notice; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
42:21 The "I AM" is well pleased for His Righteousness' sake; He will magnify The Law, and make [it] honourable (Deut. 33:21).

Are those who are reading their Bibles alongside their Qur’ans and consequently finding their way home and avoiding fire keeping the full OT Law AND full Sharia Law?

What is commonly referred to as "Sharia Law", i.e. "Islamic jurisprudence" is from the satanic hadith, NOT the Quran. The Quran repeatedly tells us it was sent to CONFIRM The Law (Torah) and the Gospel, which are found only in the Bible. It further strictly prohibits the writing of the hadith (and Sirah), which are adding to and/or taking away from God's Perfect Law (Sura 5:4), confirming what it says in both The Law (Deut. 4:2, 12:8, 12:32) and the Gospel (Matt. 5:17-20, Luke 16:17; see also: Sura 61:6-7).

There is only ONE Law, and that is The Law (Torah) that God gave us in the first five books of the Bible, via His Servant Moses, on Mt. Horeb in Sinai.

If not, why not?

If so, how?

As above please.