why Christians reject Roman Catholic church

[Lyfe]

What are these good works that you are referring to? Jesus lived a very selfless life and even said the greatest among his disciples would be a servant to all. If serving one another in love and bearing the burdens of others isn't how you interpret the law then your probably missing the mark. The whole faith without works sermon in James was all about loving your brother and giving provision to the needy (if you read it in context).

There are going to be allot of people on judgment day who observed Sabbaths and didn't eat pork and kept all the feasts, yet spent very little time praying for others or helping and ministering to the needy. I really believe that a true measure of whether or not someone is upholding the law reflects how much of their time and energy goes into edifying and building up others. This is why I believe allot of people who think they keep the law have a confidence that's unmerited. What good is not eating pork if you never help anyone or have malice or lust or idolatry in your heart? Jesus said it's what's within a man that makes him unclean. Nobody can really boast in the law once they understand it, because the law will always point out the areas you fall short in and strip away any and all righteousness you think that you may have according to the law. People are looking for the law to justify them when it's the same law that says you are unrighteous and fall short which is why you need Christ. He is the only one who can declare you righteous and that is apart from the law.

 

[A Freeman]

What are these good works that you are referring to? Jesus lived a very selfless life and even said the greatest among his disciples would be a servant to all. If serving one another in love and bearing the burdens of others isn't how you interpret the law then your probably missing the mark. The whole faith without works sermon in James was all about loving your brother and giving provision to the needy (if you read it in context).

There are going to be allot of people on judgment day who observed Sabbaths and didn't eat pork and kept all the feasts, yet spent very little time praying for others or helping and ministering to the needy. I really believe that a true measure of whether or not someone is upholding the law reflects how much of their time and energy goes into edifying and building up others. This is why I believe allot of people who think they keep the law have a confidence that's unmerited. What good is not eating pork if you never help anyone or have malice or lust or idolatry in your heart? Jesus said it's what's within a man that makes him unclean. Nobody can really boast in the law once they understand it, because the law will always point out the areas you fall short in and strip away any and all righteousness you think that you may have according to the law. People are looking for the law to justify them when it's the same law that says you are unrighteous and fall short which is why you need Christ. He is the only one who can declare you righteous and that is apart from the law.

Good works are Godly works, which always serve everyone. You cannot serve one another in love while not keeping The Law of Love (that's what God's Perfect Law is, because God is Love). Anyone who believes differently doesn't know The Law and thus doesn't know Christ.

1 John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

Anyone who isn't keeping The Law does NOT love others. Period. And anyone who is still in open rebellion against God on Judgment Day, refusing to serve everyone else by keeping The Law, is going to burn for it, regardless of whatever mistaken beliefs they may have.

1 John 3:4-11
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the Beginning (Alpha), that we should love one another.

Learn The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.

 

[A Freeman]

Malachi 4
4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse (see verse 4:1 above for the details of the curse that awaits all that are still doing wickedly).

Learn The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.

 

[Wigi]

Anyone who isn't keeping The Law does NOT love others. Period. And anyone who is still in open rebellion against God on Judgment Day, refusing to serve everyone else by keeping The Law, is going to burn for it, regardless of whatever mistaken beliefs they may have.

You should read about nomism :

our ultimate acceptance before Him is based on the righteousness of Christ, not our ability to keep the law and live righteous lives.

What is nomism? | GotQuestions.org

What is nomism? What is a nomist? Why is nomism not a valid Christian viewpoint? What does the Bible say about nomism?

www.gotquestions.org

It's essentially what jahtruth is except jahtruth doesn't have the consistency to promote circumcision like Moses did.

It's simply a counter gospel and I think it would do good to you to read Galatians again.

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ."
Galatians 1:6‭-‬7

Hence why you'd add Islamic texts to your jahtruth book which, just like the Talmud, reject the works of the Holy Spirit in someone's life and propose self-righteousness instead emphasizing on personal efforts to live a righteous life with no assurance of salvation because you might (and will) fail to observe everything.


"But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
Isaiah 28:13

I believe various pilgrimages is very important for those who subscribe to this religious viewpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if you regularly do it aswell.

All that is far removed from the simplicity yet true power of the Gospel though. And if you've not personally lived this thing, it's understandable you'd think i'm just disagreeing for the sake of it because the carnal mind is unable to understand the scriptures.
If you had a real fellowship with God, you'd understand what it truly meant when Jesus says :

"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
Matthew 11:30

Here instead you're attempting to show God how righteous and sound you seems to be while disobeying on a daily basis Jesus commands to preach the gospel, not the Law.

 

[A Freeman]

You should read about nomism :

What is nomism? | GotQuestions.org

What is nomism? What is a nomist? Why is nomism not a valid Christian viewpoint? What does the Bible say about nomism?

www.gotquestions.org

It's essentially what jahtruth is except jahtruth doesn't have the consistency to promote circumcision like Moses did.

It's simply a counter gospel and I think it would do good to you to read Galatians again.

"I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ."
Galatians 1:6‭-‬7

Hence why you'd add Islamic texts to your jahtruth book which, just like the Talmud, reject the works of the Holy Spirit in someone's life and propose self-righteousness instead emphasizing on personal efforts to live a righteous life with no assurance of salvation because you might (and will) fail to observe everything.


"But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
Isaiah 28:13

I believe various pilgrimages is very important for those who subscribe to this religious viewpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if you regularly do it aswell.

All that is far removed from the simplicity yet true power of the Gospel though. And if you've not personally lived this thing, it's understandable you'd think i'm just disagreeing for the sake of it because the carnal mind is unable to understand the scriptures.
If you had a real fellowship with God, you'd understand what it truly meant when Jesus says :

"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
Matthew 11:30

Here instead you're attempting to show God how righteous and sound you seems to be while disobeying on a daily basis Jesus commands to preach the gospel, not the Law.

You should read the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran (Quran) in their entirety, and learn to obey God rather than men and their made-up terminology and excuses for continuing to disobey God.

The Bible plainly states that anyone who claims to know Christ (The Truth) and doesn't keep The Law is a liar and the truth is not in them.

THE TRUE GOSPEL MESSAGE IS SIMPLE: RETURN TO AND KEEP THE LAW THAT GOD GAVE US.

Matthew 5:17-20 (with the words of Christ in blue)
5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill [fully preach The Law (The Torah) and fulfill the prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah.]
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in The Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in The Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case enter into The Kingdom of heaven.

Christ plainly stated that no one should even think that He came to destroy The Law, because that is NOT what He came to do.

Christ plainly stated that heaven and earth would pass away before the slightest punctuation mark (jot or tittle) passed from The Law. Heaven and earth are still here, which means The Law is still in effect (and always will be).

Christ plainly stated that anyone who teaches others to break even the least of the Commandments is the lowest of the low in God's Eyes (the LEAST in The Kingdom of heaven).

It couldn't be any clearer than that, which proves that "Christianity" is the other "gospel" being taught because it is teaching the exact opposite of what Christ teaches.

Anyone who teaches the opposite of what Christ teaches is obviously working for Satan and will join Satan in The Fire on Judgment Day, exactly as Christ warned.

It is a very light burden just to DO as we've been COMMANDED to do for thousands of years rather than follow millions upon millions of man-made rules, doctrines and legislation (the traditions of men which fill entire libraries).

John 14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

Learn The Way home or face The Fire by JAH. The title is self-explanatory.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

^ The OT, NT and Qur’an? Puts me in mind of a classic scene from Friends!!

P.s. it would also appear that the writer of the Qur’an had flunked New Testament Studies at Seminary. The [Biblical] Trinity has never been formulated as Jesus, Mary and God the Father.

 

[A Freeman]

^ The OT, NT and Qur’an? Puts me in mind of a classic scene from Friends!!

P.s. it would also appear that the writer of the Qur’an had flunked New Testament Studies at Seminary. The [Biblical] Trinity has never been formulated as Jesus, Mary and God the Father.

More strawman arguments based upon total ignorance. The Koran (Quran) never says nor implies that the "trinity" includes Jesus, Mary and God the Father, regardless of what someone may falsely claim in a video.

People use strawman arguments and other logical fallacies in desperation, when their position and beliefs are so weak and indefensible they feel they have no choice but to promote lies to protect their fragile egos.

 

[Maldarker]

So JAH huh.... rastifarianism - so how many religious beliefs do you have mixed into what ever new age JEDI mind trick your trying to pull?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

More strawman arguments based upon total ignorance. The Koran (Quran) never says nor implies that the "trinity" includes Jesus, Mary and God the Father, regardless of what someone may falsely claim in a video.

Al-Maidah 116 (*strawman)

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.

https://quran.com/en/al-maidah/116

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

 

[A Freeman]

So JAH huh.... rastifarianism - so how many religious beliefs do you have mixed into what ever new age JEDI mind trick your trying to pull?

Anyone who has actually visited the website would know that JAH is NOT a Rastafarian, as it says on the home page.

JAHTruth.net

Al-Maidah 116 (*strawman)

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.

https://quran.com/en/al-maidah/116

This is literally a thread about why "Christians" reject pagan Roman Catholicism, which incorporates BOTH the "trinity" (which blasphemously claims the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal, but not equal, three but not three, and one but not one) AND "Mary worship", where Roman Catholics blasphemously claim that Mary is "the queen of heaven" (see Jer. 44:17-25) and "the mother of God".

While both of these traditions of men satanically call both Father (God) and Christ liars, and both break the First (and most important) COMMANDMENT, they are, in fact, not the same thing. So the Quran has it right again, and doesn't actually say in that verse nor in any other that the "trinity" is the Father, Jesus and Mary.

So it is Roman Catholics and their "Christian" apologists who have flunked their Bible study and are trying to make a strawman argument to try to cover up their ignorance, exactly as was pointed out.

 

[Maldarker]

Anyone who has actually visited the website would know that JAH is NOT a Rastafarian, as it says on the home page.

JAHTruth.net

OXFORD (NOUN) English Dictonary
The Rastafarian name of God.

So y not go with YAH instead to fit to the Hebraic of the word? YAH weh would make more sense or JEH for the JEH hovah seems odd to go with the A instead seems dubious.

 

[A Freeman]

OXFORD (NOUN) English Dictonary
The Rastafarian name of God.

So y not go with YAH instead to fit to the Hebraic of the word? YAH weh would make more sense or JEH for the JEH hovah seems odd to go with the A instead seems dubious.

The name of the human body that Christ is incarnating during His Second Coming is John Anthony Hill (JAH).

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Judgment Day).

The Hebrew prefix "Eli" means "exalted"; Exalted JAH.

Christ prophesied that when He returned it would be in a new body (from Joseph-Ephraim, NOT Judah - Gen. 49:10, 22-24), with a NEW NAME (Rev. 2:17, 3:12, 19:12).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE (i.e. CREATED) so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Christ also prophesied that when His Mission is finished this time and He sheds he human body He's currently using, He will be seen coming in the "clouds" with the heavenly host, aka "the eagles", to gather the "Elect".

Matthew 24:27-28
24:27 For as the lightening cometh out of the East, and shineth even unto the West; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.
24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, THERE will the eagles be gathered together.
24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the "sun" be darkened, and the "moon" shall not give her light, and the "stars" shall fall from heaven, and the "powers of the heavens" shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the Sign ("Star") of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the "Clouds" of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (7th.), and they shall gather together his Elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Psalm 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name JAH, and rejoice before Him.

Revelation 19:1-7
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, AlleluJAH; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
19:2 For True and Righteous [are] His Judgments: for He hath judged the great "Whore" (Roman Catholicism), which did corrupt the Earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants killed by her hand.
19:3 And again they said, AlleluJAH. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the Throne, saying, Amen; AlleluJAH.
19:5 And a voice came out of the Throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.
19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many "waters", and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, AlleluJAH: for the Lord God Omnipotent reigneth.
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the Marriage of the Lamb is come, and His "Wife" (Israel - the 144,000) hath made herself ready.

 

[Lyfe]

. The name of the human body that Christ is incarnating during His Second Coming is John Anthony Hill (JAH).

You are adding to The Words of God which we are told not to do in revelation. You need to earnestly seek The Lord and pray that he would lead you into the truth.

 

[Maldarker]

John Anthony Hill (JAH).
Pick that name out of a hat? Did they how the heck can you believe this?

I have read many sci fi novels this is by far the farthest fetched one out there...maybe scientology is a little crazier but not by much.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A friend sent this presentation to me and it was certainly worth watching. Now is not the time for idle heresies. Our salvation depends on being in right relationship with the Lord, not mediated by some recent false Christ (the likes of whom we are specially warned against).

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

So it is Roman Catholics and their "Christian" apologists who have flunked their Bible study and are trying to make a strawman argument to try to cover up their ignorance, exactly as was pointed out.

From your studies of the Qur’an, are you aware of any verses polemicising or debunking the formulation of the Trinity as historically understood as holding:

“… we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons: nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son: and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one: the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son: and such is the Holy Ghost….”​

I don’t expect exact theological precision, but just something that correctly identifies the Trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the Qur’an. If it doesn’t, the writer of the Qur’an was actually the one attacking a straw man.

 

[A Freeman]

We live in a place where people lie, cheat and steal on a regular basis, where women are raped, children are molested, where theft has been legalized in the form of taxes, murder has been legalized in the form of war, and where truth is hated by virtually everyone, because they would rather believe a bunch of lies rather than face the truth.

Christ told us that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (aka the devil and the red dragon) was banished to this planet (Rev. 12:7-9) along with his angels (all of us - Matt. 7:11, 25:41, Luke 9:55), and that Lucifer/Satan/Iblis is temporarily running this world (John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11) through his various and nefarious worldly institutions (church, state and all of the rest of the corporate fictions), ALL of which are evil.

How much more obvious does it need to be made before people wake-up and realize that THIS IS HELL?

You start a thread to point out why one set of heretical teachings are somehow superior to the other heretical teachings, even though most every single set of heretical teachings have adopted their own religious rites, rituals and superstitions from each other. ALL ORGANIZED RELIGION IS HERESY. It takes a little bit of truth from Scripture, and mixes it up with a bunch of lies, to coerce people into ignoring and breaking God's Law/Commandments, so they can continue the insane traditions of their ancestors.

The "Jews" follow their own heretical teachings from the Talmud rather than obeying The Law that God gave us.

The "Christians" follow their own heretical teachings from their own religious texts (e.g. catechism, book of Mormon, worship texts, etc.) rather than obeying The Law and Gospel that God gave us.

The "Muslims" follow their own heretical teachings from the hadith and sirah, rather than the Koran/Quran, which instructs them to read both The Law and the Gospel which they ignore.

And all of the other organized religions follow their own heretical teachings, to ensure they too are running around in circles instead of learning what they need to learn: humility, discipline and self-sacrifice, and obedience to God alone. That's why Satan invented organized religion, to keep everyone divided and arguing amongst themselves as to why their particular heretical organized religions was better than all of the others, instead of waking up and realizing that they are ALL WRONG.

Anyone still so deluded as to believe they can continue in their particular strain of heretical teachings instead of learning to obey God, and that they won't be held accountable for their thoughts, words and actions on Judgement Day, is so far into Satan's grip that there is no hope they will be able to avoid The Fire (Hell-Fire), that God has repeatedly warned us a throughout the Old Covenant, New Covenant and the Koran/Quran awaits most of mankind.

There will be absolutely NO exceptions.

 

[A Freeman]

A few examples of heretical Roman Catholic doctrines and rituals which have been adopted by the heretical protestant denominations in part or in total, NONE of which find any support in Scripture:

- the man-made "trinity" doctrine (found nowhere in Scripture)
- the man-made ritual of "Holy Communion"
- the man-made ritual of sun worship on Sun-days (Exod. 20:8-11, 31:13-17)
- the man-made ritual of going to church (a satanic building where God doesn't dwell - Acts 7:48, 17:24)
- the man-made doctrine of praying in church (which Christ condemned - Matt. 6:5-8)
- the man-made doctrine of singing silly songs in church, instead of learning the New Song (Isa. 42:10, Rev. 14:3, 15:3)
- the man-made tradition of X-mass/Yuletide/Saturnalia, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with Christ
- the man-made tradition of Ishtar/Easter, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus

 

[A Freeman]

Where in the original Bible do we find any trinitarian wording, i.e. "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"?

Truthful Answer: NOWHERE

In modern translations of the Bible, there are two verses that contain this phraseology which, in both cases, have been unlawfully and very obviously added to the Bible: Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7.

Which begs the question: if the "trinity" doctrine is so important and central to the Bible, then why would the Roman Catholic church feel the need to deceitfully insert it into the Bible? And how did they expect to get away with doing so?

The answer to the second question is that Roman Catholicism kept the Bible under lock and key for roughly 1200 years (beginning with their inception in the 4th century AD), and thus had total control over the Bible during the dark ages.

How can we be absolutely certain that the trinitarian wording was added to Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7? BECAUSE THAT WORDING DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE OLDER BIBLICAL TEXTS/MANUSCRIPTS AND DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE REST OF SCRIPTURE.