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[Daze]

I propose that satan wrote the quran and pretended to be God or Allah in arabic.

And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit (2:87 Quran)
So.. satan supported Jesus?

[Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. (3:55 Quran)
So satan raised Jesus to himself and made those who follow Jesus's message superior to the disbelievers?

So when the Quran says ..
And Zechariah and John and Jesus and Elias – and all were of the righteous. (6:85 Quran)
This is satan speaking?

 

[TokiEl]

And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit (2:87 Quran)
So.. satan supported Jesus?

[Mention] when Allah said, “O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. (3:55 Quran)
So satan raised Jesus to himself and made those who follow Jesus's message superior to the disbelievers?

So when the Quran says ..
And Zechariah and John and Jesus and Elias – and all were of the righteous. (6:85 Quran)
This is satan speaking?

That's right.

That's satan pretending to be God.

 

[Daze]

That's right.

That's satan pretending to be God.

So satan is calling to the path of Jesus? Championing his message? Wow, that's.. something that words can not describe.

Good day sir.

 

[Daze]

While you were "ignoring" me you said that I was "never coming off" your ignore list and that by talking to you I was talking to a wall. I guess your memory isn't that good.

Ah, well your absolutely correct, even though i said it to Maes, not you. But its interesting that not only have you read my posts all these months (its like dang, that post is almost a year old), You've actually remembered them when you didn't even exist in my world. That's a little sad Recure.

I appreciate that you finally stopped beating around the bush and provided a name. Now we need just one of these people to confirm that the God of Islam is the same as God the Father. If they do so, hopefully they can provide a better rationale than the 'just because' you've been going with.

I basically listed every Muslim i know on here and i did forget several. Such as @Nikon and @Vision, but I'm sure there are more. Because its a fact. Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the God of Abraham, which is what you claim. Is it not?

The problem here i think is once you realize this then you begin to look like the deviant one. So you vehemently deny it. After all, those before and after you reject the divinity of Jesus.

No. The God of Christianity is three divine persons, so even if we accept that Allah is the Father without the Son, there would still be two divine persons in the Godhead which is not the Islamic view. It's a glaring contradiction in your arguments against the Holy Trinity when you take for granted the deity of the Father while attacking the deity of the Son and forgetting the Holy Spirit. The equation of the person of the Father with the God of Abraham is completely arbitrary. The Scriptures make it apparent that Jehovah, or God as 'seen' by the Old Testament patriarchs were theophanies of the Son.

I do believe that you are late to the party and after multiple pages in this thread alone the past day or two i am tired of this proverbial dead horse.

Here's something to consider.

Good day sir.

 

[Daze]

@recure

Idk why, but for some reason that post keeps adding 2 close quote tags making it all look like a single quote.



I remove them but it does nothing. Bug or lag? No idea. Just "click to expand". I will try to edit it later if i can.

 

[TokiEl]

So satan is calling to the path of Jesus? Championing his message? Wow, that's.. something that words can not describe.

Good day sir.

Satan in the quran is exalting himself.

Jesus is the Son of God and the Saviour of souls in the bible... while in the quran he is just a mere messenger and a footnote while satan is exalting himself verse after verse after verse...

 

[Daze]

Satan in the quran is exalting himself.

Jesus is the Son of God and the Saviour of souls in the bible... while in the quran he is just a mere messenger and a footnote while satan is exalting himself verse after verse after verse...

To you is your religion and to me is mine.

Good day sir.

 

[TokiEl]

To you is your religion and to me is mine.

Good day sir.

Fine with me.

My religion is Jesus Christ.

 

[recure]

Ah, well your absolutely correct, even though i said it to Maes, not you. But its interesting that not only have you read my posts all these months (its like dang, that post is almost a year old), You've actually remembered them when you didn't even exist in my world. That's a little sad Recure.

You literally tagged me and posted a screenshot of what I said so you were saying it to me. I have not even been active here for the past several months... I know you're quite conceited but relax a little. I do have a good memory though; it comes in handy when dealing with someone who flip-flops as much as you do.

I basically listed every Muslim i know on here and i did forget several. Such as @Nikon and @Vision, but I'm sure there are more. Because its a fact. Muslims, Jews and Christians all worship the God of Abraham, which is what you claim. Is it not?

They all worship the God of Abraham nominally but there are essential theological differences. Just as you claim that Christian Arabs worship Allah but what they mean by it is not what Muslims mean by it which is the context it is being used here. If you read an Arabic Bible is says that Allah is Al-Ab wAl-Ibn wAl-Ruh-ul-Quddus, something which you will not find written in the Qur'an.

This is satan speaking?

The Bible teaches that Satan appears as an angel of light. If he appeared in his true form and spouted things that were wholly contrary to the truth do you think people would accept it unless they were deranged? Instead he sows weeds among the good seed. (Mat.13.27-29) The Hadith literature records that when Muhammad stopped receiving revelations for a time, the people remarked that "his Satan has left him." When Jesus was accused of being demon-possessed he disproved it by his actions, saying "even if you don't believe me, believe the works". Thus no matter how much of Muhammad said was true, it has no bearing on what one should believe if his own actions did not contradict his critics. Moreover, "mediums" like Jane Roberts, seemingly in agreement with the Qur'an, said: "The crucifixion of Christ was a psychic, but not a physical event."

 

[Daze]

You literally tagged me and posted a screenshot of what I said so you were saying it to me. I have not even been active here for the past several months... I know you're quite conceited but relax a little. I do have a good memory though; it comes in handy when dealing with someone who flip-flops as much as you do.

They all worship the God of Abraham nominally but there are essential theological differences. Just as you claim that Christian Arabs worship Allah but what they mean by it is not what Muslims mean by it which is the context it is being used here. If you read an Arabic Bible is says that Allah is Al-Ab wAl-Ibn wAl-Ruh-ul-Quddus, something which you will not find written in the Qur'an.

The Bible teaches that Satan appears as an angel of light. If he appeared in his true form and spouted things that were wholly contrary to the truth do you think people would accept it unless they were deranged? Instead he sows weeds among the good seed. (Mat.13.27-29) The Hadith literature records that when Muhammad stopped receiving revelations for a time, the people remarked that "his Satan has left him." When Jesus was accused of being demon-possessed he disproved it by his actions, saying "even if you don't believe me, believe the works". Thus no matter how much of Muhammad said was true, it has no bearing on what one should believe if his own actions did not contradict his critics. Moreover, "mediums" like Jane Roberts, seemingly in agreement with the Qur'an, said: "The crucifixion of Christ was a psychic, but not a physical event."

Flip flops? I said i don't remember and i didn't, and the fact is this was an event from March of last year? Clearly i am high on your list while you are not even a blip on mine. For you to hang on to that.. tells alot really.

I'm human and like every other human on the planet, am prone to mistakes. Do what you like, screenshot all of my posts and put them in a diary patiently waiting to throw them back at me. If this is what floats your boat then more power to you. I'm sorry but you are just not a priority in my book.

I am tired of arguing religion. I've been doing it for seemingly 2 solid days with what seems like 10 different people. I am done and don't even have the desire to read your points on the Bible and worship and whatever else you wrote.

Believe whatever you heart desires. The reality is we are all big fish in a small pond and on the grand global scale, none of us change much of anything really. It always comes down to mud slinging and egos and I've just had my fill. As i said before, you are late to this party.

To you is your way Recure and to me is mine.

Good day sir.

 

[TokiEl]

Don't get me wrong Daze.


Satan is a god even the god of the world in this age... so he got a lot of power and authority.

I'm not denying that but when he pretends to be God with a capital G... i just have to call him out and say sorry mac.

That title is taken.

 

[TokiEl]

It is possible that satan observed some situations in Jesus life and wrote about it in the quran.


5:110 And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Remember My favour upon you and your mother: how I supported you with the holy spirit1 so you spoke to people in ˹your˺ infancy and adulthood. How I taught you writing, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel. How you moulded a bird from clay—by My Will—and breathed into it and it became a ˹real˺ bird—by My Will. How you healed the blind and the lepers—by My Will. How you brought the dead to life—by My Will. How I prevented the Children of Israel from harming you when you came to them with clear proofs and the disbelievers among them said, “This is nothing but pure magic.”


It's not mentioned in the Bible that Jesus made a bird from clay and breathed life into it... so i found that fascinating.

Imagine having a friend like that growing up...

 

[recure]

Flip flops? I said i don't remember and i didn't, and the fact is this was an event from March of last year? Clearly i am high on your list while you are not even a blip on mine. For you to hang on to that.. tells alot really.

I'm human and like every other human on the planet, am prone to mistakes. Do what you like, screenshot all of my posts and put them in a diary patiently waiting to throw them back at me. If this is what floats your boat then more power to you. I'm sorry but you are just not a priority in my book.

It's one thing to forget but to claim that you weren't addressing me after you saw the post is something altogether different. You trying to fault me for remembering something from significantly less interactions on here while you can't even remember what you said on the last page (like you were going to "bow out" and then kept replying) tells a lot really. I'm not the one taking screenshots of your posts; just because you aren't resolute in your beliefs enough to remember (either that or you have dementia) and I can is not my problem. This is just more attempts at character assasination that you're known for when you can't cope with the argument.

I am tired of arguing religion. I've been doing it for seemingly 2 solid days with what seems like 10 different people. I am done and don't even have the desire to read your points on the Bible and worship and whatever else you wrote.

I doubt that. You've been arguing religion your entire stint here and can't help yourself in implicating Christianity at every possible opportunity no matter how unwarranted, hence the need to constantly rebut you. It's just convenient for you to backpedal when you don't have the intellectual fortitute to go at someone when you can't pull the wool over their eyes.

To you is your way Recure and to me is mine.

If you actually believed this your whole rhetoric would be superfluous. Anyway, all that remains is to see if one of those people you tagged comes to back up your position. I know at least a couple are active on here; like Desert "I haven't read the book but it supports my position" Rose, maybe he can help.

 

[TokiEl]

I know at least a couple are active on here; like Desert "I haven't read the book but it supports my position" Rose, maybe he can help.

I believe he's a she... and i don't think she's identifying as a he ?

 

[recure]

I believe he's a she... and i don't think she's identifying as a he ?

Oh, right. I thought the name was kinda "feminine", but you can't assume anything these days...

 

[Daze]

Don't get me wrong Daze.


Satan is a god even the god of the world in this age... so he got a lot of power and authority.

I'm not denying that but when he pretends to be God with a capital G... i just have to call him out and say sorry mac.

That title is taken.

So you know there are no capitols in Aramaic, the language which was spoken when the Bible was sent.

 

[Daze]

It's one thing to forget but to claim that you weren't addressing me after you saw the post is something altogether different. You trying to fault me for remembering something from significantly less interactions on here while you can't even remember what you said on the last page (like you were going to "bow out" and then kept replying) tells a lot really. I'm not the one taking screenshots of your posts; just because you aren't resolute in your beliefs enough to remember (either that or you have dementia) and I can is not my problem. This is just more attempts at character assasination that you're known for when you can't cope with the argument.


I doubt that. You've been arguing religion your entire stint here and can't help yourself in implicating Christianity at every possible opportunity no matter how unwarranted, hence the need to constantly rebut you. It's just convenient for you to backpedal when you don't have the intellectual fortitute to go at someone when you can't pull the wool over their eyes.


If you actually believed this your whole rhetoric would be superfluous. Anyway, all that remains is to see if one of those people you tagged comes to back up your position. I know at least a couple are active on here; like Desert "I haven't read the book but it supports my position" Rose, maybe he can help.

Entire time? Really? Well, when God asks you if a warner came, perhaps my time here might have had some impact? As maybe you will remember me.

Am i the best Muslim? HA! I am highly flawed as we all have seen and know. But the fact that you think i've done nothing at VC but preach tells me I've had some impact.. and that's a good thing, that is when it is calls to the deen.


I told you i am tired of this, yet you still have to get your digs in, don't you? Discussing if Rose is male or female? Is that the level you are on now? Taking shots at people who haven't even spoken a word? Ya dude, you really represent Jesus here. Honestly its sub-human.

Say what you want about me, you'll find out quickly that i don't care.

We'll all find out soon enough what the reality is. Until then enjoy. I do fear punishment is coming for most... and Lord knows i am not safe from it if i were to die today.




I will continue watching Quran videos (ie the fresh screenshot above), while you sit here and continue to backbite people who have nothing to do with this thread.

Peace.

 

[TokiEl]

Oh, right. I thought the name was kinda "feminine", but you can't assume anything these days...

That's right... these days you can flip flop depending on the mood i suppose between 72 genders is it now ?L0L

The times they are a changing.

 

[TokiEl]

So you know there are no capitols in Aramaic, the language which was spoken when the Bible was sent.

Absolutely. So just because someone back then called themselves god... doesn't mean they are God.

 

[recure]

Entire time? Really? Well, when God asks you if a warner came, perhaps my time here might have had some impact? As maybe you will remember me.

Am i the best Muslim? HA! I am highly flawed as we all have seen and know. But the fact that you think i've done nothing at VC but preach tells me I've had some impact.. and that's a good thing, that is when it is calls to the deen.


I told you i am tired of this, yet you still have to get your digs in, don't you? Discussing if Rose is male or female? Is that the level you are on now? Taking shots at people who haven't even spoken a word? Ya dude, you really represent Jesus here. Honestly its sub-human.

Say what you want about me, you'll find out quickly that i don't care.

We'll all find out soon enough what the reality is. Until then enjoy. I do fear punishment is coming for most... and Lord knows i am not safe from it if i were to die today.


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I will continue watching Quran videos (ie the fresh screenshot above), while you sit here and continue to backbite people who have nothing to do with this thread.

Peace.

In Tidal's absence, you're the king of cringe boomer takes.