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[Daze]

I have two observations to make and I will withdraw, I don't want to extend myself:
1- miracles are not guarantees that a religion is right or the most right.
2-God does not send someone to hell for not being of the religion he created.

1. Agreed.

2. Then what is the point of revelation? Is there any point in sending down direction if God doesn't care who follows it and who doesn't?

 

[Daze]

You are calling yourself a Muslim, but Muslims aint supposed to r*pe kids. If you dont care what I think, why did you work so hard to derail my Aisha thread, the one where you are (as elswhere on this site) advocating for grown men to "marry" 6-9 year old girls? You stalked my posts all over this site and everyone can see it, when I finally call you out here for derailing another thread with your Muslim" mistruths... you start crying.

Common sense. Would the Almighty call a p***phile an excellent example?

When you reject the prophet of Islam, but claim Islam. You make yourself irrelevant. Much like one who claims Judaism but rejects Moses, one who claims Christianity but denounces Jesus. You remove yourself from credibility. You don't speak for Muslims, not a one. The truth is you are attacking Muslims while buddying up with mushirks.

I see the polytheist liking all of your posts and it only strengthens my argument. What kind of Muslim are you to side with the polytheists against those who proclaim the kalimah?

He likes what you say because your against me while i have destroyed his man worship. Why don't you also speak up and say Jesus was a slave? Don't want to lose the backing of your fellow mates? Perhaps you think Jesus is god as well? To be honest at this point i would not be surprised.

When i said you were a joke, i meant it.

 

[recure]

You don't speak for Muslims, not a one.

This is coming from the guy that says Allah is God the Father and that every Muslim believes this, yet not a single Muslim here agrees with him.

 

[Daze]

This is coming from the guy that says Allah is God the Father yet not a single Muslim here agrees with him.

Its like every mushirk on the boards wants to join in derailing this thread. No problem Recure. As we all know Christians are forbidden to lie.



Not a single Muslim, do you stand by that? Now's your chance. I can easily pull many into this thread by tagging them.

 

[recure]

Not a single Muslim, do you stand by that? Now's your chance. I can easily pull many into this thread by tagging them.

Huh, guess you're not "ignoring" me anymore. Well since you could never provide a reference to a singular Muslim theologian from the medieval period to back up your claim, lets see who all your buddies that share your cooky beliefs are.

 

[Daze]

Huh, guess you're not "ignoring" me anymore. Well since you could never provide a reference to a singular Muslim theologian from the medieval period to back up your claim, lets see who all your buddies that share your cooky beliefs are.

Nah, i took everyone off ignore about a week ago, but I have added Van since. Atm he's solo.

... It is interesting though how you admit to lie because you thought i couldn't see it. Is deception forefront in your faith, or is it optional?

Pretty much every Muslim here will agree that the God of the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians (with Jesus removed of course) is the God of Abraham. Heck, even our -Muslim- friend Tempo here might admit to it.

With this in mind I'll let you pick the name/s.

 

[TokiEl]

This is coming from the guy that says Allah is God the Father and that every Muslim believes this, yet not a single Muslim here agrees with him.

It ought to be impossible to believe that Allah is the Father... because Allah denied being the Father.

So if anybody believe that Allah is the Father then they reject what Allah said.

 

[Daze]

It ought to be impossible to believe that Allah is the Father... because Allah denies being the Father.

Once again, seeing that Christians are forbidden to lie..



Please show us the evidence to your claim. You can use the Quran or Bible. Doesn't matter in this case.

 

[TokiEl]

Once again, seeing that Christians are forbidden to lie..

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Please show us the evidence to your claim. You can use the Quran or Bible. Doesn't matter in this case.

Allah denied being the Father.

And so you can't believe that Allah is the Father... unless of course you're somewhat of a dotard.

 

[recure]

Nah, i took everyone off ignore about a week ago, but I have added Van since. Atm he's solo.

... It is interesting though how you admit to lie because you thought i couldn't see it. Is deception forefront in your faith, or is it optional?

You told me I was "never coming off" your ignore list but alas. Unlike you I stand by what I say, so I'm not at all intimated by your attempts to challenge me. The reason you put me on ignore in the first place was because I made you look foolish and you had no answer. Also the premier thread-derailer and deceiver on this forum accusing me of those very things is rich in irony.

Pretty much every Muslim here will agree that the God of the Jews, the Muslims and the Christians (with Jesus removed of course) is the God of Abraham. Heck, even our -Muslim- friend Tempo here might admit to it.

With this in mind I'll let you pick the name/s.

I want to see you name one Muslim on this forum (since naming a Muslim theologian in this regard is impossible for you) who agrees with you that Allah is God the Father of the New Testament. It's a very simple request so don't waste words with your meandering.

 

[Daze]

Allah denied being the Father.

And so you can't believe that Allah is the Father... unless of course you're somewhat of a dotard.

Ok, so where is the proof? We don't want people to call you a liar toki. This should be so easy for you to produce seeing you are so confident in it.

We're gonna ignore that the word Allah is on the tonuge of millions of Arabic speaking Christians daily while we await your proof because after all. Allah is literally the Arabic word for God.

 

[lightseeker]

Ok, so where is the proof? We don't want people to call you a liar toki. This should be so easy for you to produce seeing you are so confident in it.

We're gonna ignore that the word Allah is on the tonuge of millions of Arabic speaking Christians daily while we await your proof because after all. Allah is literally the Arabic word for God.

Surah ikhlas - He does not beget.

A father is defined when having begotten

 

[Daze]

You told me I was "never coming off" your ignore list but alas. Unlike you I stand by what I say, so I'm not at all intimated by your attempts to challenge me. The reason you put me on ignore in the first place was because I made you look foolish and you had no answer. Also the premier thread-derailer and deceiver on this forum accusing me of those very things is rich in irony.


I want to see you name one Muslim on this forum (since naming a Muslim theologian in this regard is impossible for you) who agrees with you that Allah is God the Father of the New Testament. It's a very simple request so don't waste words with your meandering.

Did i say you were never coming off? I don't remember it but it is possible. Please source the post where i said this. Regardless i took you off because i had like a dozen ignored. Wanted a fresh slate. Let me repeat, source the post where i said you were never coming off as i want to see it because that doesn't sound like something i'd say.

Ok.Theres a reason Islam, Judaism and Christianity are known as Abrahamic religions Recure.

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My apologies if i missed anyone, I likely have. But i have a basic question. Do you believe that Allah is the same deity as the Christians, God the Father? Of course with Jesus removed, the god of Islam is the god of Christianity. Yes? Do you agree with this or not?

I know the Quran says...

Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.” (29:46)

However our friend Recure would like some clarification. If you can be bothered. By all means let us know.

 

[Daze]

Surah ikhlas - He does not beget.

A father is defined when having begotten

Semantics. He is called the father because he has a perceived son. It is meant to separate him from Jesus. The first verse does not say God the Father created the earth. It simply says God did.

Regardless it does not change who he is. Muslims worship the same God that Abraham did which is what the Christians lay claim to.

 

[TokiEl]

Ok, so where is the proof? We don't want people to call you a liar toki. This should be so easy for you to produce seeing you are so confident in it.

We're gonna ignore that the word Allah is on the tonuge of millions of Arabic speaking Christians daily while we await your proof because after all. Allah is literally the Arabic word for God.

Allah in his book denied being the Father.

You know that... and so you can't claim that Allah is the Father.

Unless of course you reject what Allah said because you know better than Allah.

Then you should start your own religion.

 

[Daze]

Allah in his book denied being the Father.

You know that... and so you can't claim that Allah is the Father.

Unless of course you reject what Allah said because you know better than Allah.

For the third time, are you gonna produce a shred of proof?

Where is it in the book? Are you incapable of sourcing it?

Look I know you're a liar and you know you're a liar. So why do you keep dragging "this" out allowing more people to see it? It is a great sin for a Christian to lie. Is it not? Important enough to be one of the 10 commandments at least.

If you speak the truth then Produce your Proof!

 

[TokiEl]

For the third time, are you gonna produce a shred of proof?

Where is it in the book? Are you incapable of sourcing it?

I thought you knew this.


4:171 O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.1 The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.2 So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.

 

[Daze]

I thought you knew this.


4:171 O People of the Book! Do not go to extremes regarding your faith; say nothing about Allah except the truth.1 The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah and the fulfilment of His Word through Mary and a spirit ˹created by a command˺ from Him.2 So believe in Allah and His messengers and do not say, “Trinity.” Stop!—for your own good. Allah is only One God. Glory be to Him! He is far above having a son! To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And Allah is sufficient as a Trustee of Affairs.

Ok, so Allah says he is not the Father was your original claim. Yes? Even though Allah literally is the Arabic word for God, so you are essentually saying God says he is not God.

Read your proof, not seeing it. He clearly says he is not Jesus. Problem is .. you think Jesus is the Father? Is that the road you want to take?
Even when your book constantly distinguishes the 2 like 100's of times? I mean to the point where they talk to one another? Is your god bi-polar Toki?

I think I'm gonna bow out of this one. The mental gymnastics required for belief in your faith is starting to go over my head.

Good day Toki.

 

[TokiEl]

Ok, so Allah says he is not the Father was your original claim. Yes? Even though Allah literally is the Arabic word for God, so you are essentually saying God says he is not God.

Actually Allah says he is not the Father.

I thought muslims knew this as it's stated in Allah's book... so i'm just showing it to you since you wanted proof from me about what your own god says.

Read your proof, not seeing it. He clearly says he is not Jesus. Problem is .. you think Jesus is the Father? Is that the road you want to take?
Even when your book constantly distinguishes the 2 like 100's of times? I mean to the point where they talk to one another? Is your god bi-polar Toki?

Jesus in his book says God is his Father.

And Allah in his book denies being the Father.


I propose that satan wrote the quran and pretended to be God or Allah in arabic.

 

[recure]

Did i say you were never coming off? I don't remember it but it is possible. Please source the post where i said this. Regardless i took you off because i had like a dozen ignored. Wanted a fresh slate. Let me repeat, source the post where i said you were never coming off as i want to see it because that doesn't sound like something i'd say.

While you were "ignoring" me you said that I was "never coming off" your ignore list and that by talking to you I was talking to a wall. I guess your memory isn't that good.

Ok.Theres a reason Islam, Judaism and Christianity are known as Abrahamic religions Recure.

Whatever the reason, it isn't based on theological doctrines so the point is irrelevant.

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I appreciate that you finally stopped beating around the bush and provided a name. Now we need just one of these people to confirm that the God of Islam is the same as God the Father. If they do so, hopefully they can provide a better rationale than the 'just because' you've been going with.

My apologies if i missed anyone, I likely have. But i have a basic question. Do you believe that Allah is the same deity as the Christians, God the Father? Of course with Jesus removed, the god of Islam is the god of Christianity. Yes? Do you agree with this or not?

No. The God of Christianity is three divine persons, so even if we accept that Allah is the Father without the Son, there would still be two divine persons in the Godhead which is not the Islamic view. It's a glaring contradiction in your arguments against the Holy Trinity when you take for granted the deity of the Father while attacking the deity of the Son and forgetting the Holy Spirit. The equation of the person of the Father with the God of Abraham is completely arbitrary. The Scriptures make it apparent that Jehovah, or God as 'seen' by the Old Testament patriarchs were theophanies of the Son.