Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[justjess]

 

[Lyfe]

You realize wives in time of crisis have ALWAYS helped their husbands with that type of shit? Stop being so damn butthurt. Our apocalypse preps include one for me of everything we have for him. Ride or die, right?

Im not butthurt I am more just perplexed that you continue to deny obvious truths relating to the psychology of both men and women. I keep saying that for hundreds of years before all this convenience all women could basically do was tend to their offspring, because the work available and needed at the time just for survival was so demanding it was just better performed by men and with this reality there was someone who had to provide direct care to the kids. The point is that if everything collapsed and there was no power that a similair outcome would be generated. It would dismantle this whole notion that this model is one off of oppression and not competence. All it would take is a collapse to prove it and you know as well as I do most women would expect their husband to do all the hard things for survival again while the woman preoccupies herself with children if she has any.

You are an exception, because I think you would die before you looked to a man for survival. Most women would not and in times of struggle and uncertainty the exact opposite is true, especially when the work needed just to survive is no longer convenient or comfortable. Most women would link up with men they may not even necessarily be fond of if meant security and provision, especially in times of uncertainty.

You are fortunate you have those preps cause many women probably will not under such circumstances. Even those preps are kind of a convenience that wasn't around years ago. The whole point I tried to make(but I suppose I failed) was that under such circumstance society would again reflect more of the past. Even with those preps there are still other men and bandits who would possibly try and steal it. Men who would do bad things. Any woman who dared to live without some kind of man or husband would be at a serious disadvantage and probably moreso then they would have as single... Women with kids and no father would be at a serious disadvantage... We both know that all these fun and games and privilege would be over and women would once again start to rely on men again like they used to, expecting them to fulfill these gender specific duties and expectations.

 

[Faker He-Man]

Yeah allot of women were raped by their husbands I am sure. What percentage of women would have to be raped by their husbands for this to even be a fair thing to reference though? I just want a fair and unbiased depiction of history and the reality. Not a picture painted by feminists depicting a reality where womankind has been conquered, mistreated, and subjugated by men for millennia.

Ew, that’s rather disgusting dude. Really though? That’s what you’re concerned about? How tf would we even know the stats, and who cares anyway? That’s sort of my point. Obviously many men were good husbands who were nothing but gentle, kind, and considerate toward their wives, just like today. That’s completely beside the point, though. My point was that the social attitudes of the time mostly shielded abusive husbands.

 

[Lyfe]

Ew, that’s rather disgusting dude. Really though? That’s what you’re concerned about? How tf would we even know the stats, and who cares anyway? That’s sort of my point. Obviously many men were good husbands who were nothing but gentle, kind, and considerate toward their wives, just like today. That’s completely beside the point, though. My point was that the social attitudes of the time mostly shielded abusive husbands.

What's disgusting and what are you talking about?

Someone cant just simply say husbands were raping their wives all the time and use that as an example to point out how badly women were mistreated and then contend in the same breath any kind of proof of such an epidemic is irrelevant.

Forget about social attitudes you need to first actually be able to substantiate that these sort of things were happening and happening frequent enough to be able to justify using such examples(to contend things like a good portion of the women were abused in the 50's).

 

[Faker He-Man]

What's disgusting and what are you talking about?

Someone cant just simply say husbands were raping their wives all the time and use that as an example to point out how badly women were mistreated and then contend in the same breath any kind of proof of such an epidemic is irrelevant.

Forget about social attitudes you need to first actually be able to substantiate that these sort of things were happening and happening frequent enough to be able to justify using such examples(to contend things like a good portion of the women were abused in the 50's).

I just thought it was gross that your first thought is whether or not it was enough of a “fair percentage” to be relevant. Social attitudes say quite a bit about what is and what isn’t considered acceptable behavior within a society. If you don’t find that sort of attitude heartbreakingly sad, then I don’t know what else to say.

 

[Faker He-Man]

a good portion of the women

*shudder* …never mind, I don’t wanna know.

 

[justjess]

Im not butthurt I am more just perplexed that you continue to deny obvious truths relating to the psychology of both men and women. I keep saying that for hundreds of years before all this convenience all women could basically do was tend to their offspring, because the work available and needed at the time just for survival was so demanding it was just better performed by men and with this reality there was someone who had to provide direct care to the kids. The point is that if everything collapsed and there was no power that a similair outcome would be generated. It would dismantle this whole notion that this model is one off of oppression and not competence. All it would take is a collapse to prove it and you know as well as I do most women would expect their husband to do all the hard things for survival again while the woman preoccupies herself with children if she has any.

You are an exception, because I think you would die before you looked to a man for survival. Most women would not and in times of struggle and uncertainty the exact opposite is true, especially when the work needed just to survive is no longer convenient or comfortable. Most women would link up with men they may not even necessarily be fond of if meant security and provision, especially in times of uncertainty.

You are fortunate you have those preps cause many women probably will not under such circumstances. Even those preps are kind of a convenience that wasn't around years ago. The whole point I tried to make(but I suppose I failed) was that under such circumstance society would again reflect more of the past. Even with those preps there are still other men and bandits who would possibly try and steal it. Men who would do bad things. Any woman who dared to live without some kind of man or husband would be at a serious disadvantage and probably moreso then they would have as single... Women with kids and no father would be at a serious disadvantage... We both know that all these fun and games and privilege would be over and women would once again start to rely on men again like they used to, expecting them to fulfill these gender specific duties and expectations.

You are ridiculous and obstinant and honestly not worth attempting to converse on this matter with

 

[Lyfe]

I just thought it was gross that your first thought is whether or not it was enough of a “fair percentage” to be relevant. Social attitudes say quite a bit about what is and what isn’t considered acceptable behavior within a society. If you don’t find that sort of attitude heartbreakingly sad, then I don’t know what else to say. You’re now resorting to hyperbole to misrepresent my words, so I don’t feel the need to respond to the rest.

You are actually the one who is misrepresenting me. Just look at the commends I bolded.

I asked for some means of proof that there were a substantial amount of wives that were getting raped by their husbands. What I asked for was fair given the statements being made.

 

[Lyfe]

You are ridiculous and obstinant and honestly not worth attempting to converse on this matter with

You deserve to have some of your feminist ideas and skewed depiction of history challenged. You have been just as obstinate.

 

[Faker He-Man]

You are actually the one who is misrepresenting me. Just look at the commends I bolded.

I asked for some means of proof that there were a substantial amount of wives that were getting raped by their husbands. What I asked for was fair given the statements being made.

a substantial amount? Yeah, never mind. I think I’ll just keep my distance from this bummer of a conversation now.

 

[Aero]

Im not butthurt

Famous last words. LMAO, I'm just kidding dog.

I don't mean to interject, but if you take any man out of the civilized world and throw him into the jungle he's going to be clueless. So if society collapsed men and women would be on pretty even footing, in that most would be totally clueless.

Look at the movie "Castaway" with Tom Hanks. I get that it's a movie, but it's still pretty realistic. His character was really smart, and he wasn't a slouch as far as his body being in shape. Nevertheless, when he was stranded on an island he was a total idiot, and eventually learned to not be such an idiot, and survive.

 

[Maes17]

So class,

What have y’alls learned in this thread?
I do not give gold stars or stickers for extra credit either

 

[Lyfe]

Famous last words. LMAO, I'm just kidding dog.

I don't mean to interject, but if you take any man out of the civilized world and throw him into the jungle he's going to be clueless. So if society collapsed men and women would be on pretty even footing, in that most would be totally clueless.

Look at the movie "Castaway" with Tom Hanks. I get that it's a movie, but it's still pretty realistic. His character was really smart, and he wasn't a slouch as far as his body being in shape. Nevertheless, when he was stranded on an island he was a total idiot, and eventually learned to not be such an idiot, and survive.

Clueless at first. That doesn't negate instinct and biology eventually kicking in to set the course like it once did and always will do. I mean these "male dominated" (feminist words) societal models of the past were ultimately dictated by something inherent within us that made them fall into place the way it did. If there was a restart and we all had to start from scratch I doubt the world would end up with a different outcome and that is, because just like our biology/gender psychology dictated the models of the past the same biology/ gender psychology would leave us again with similar results. The reality that most women will always instinctively look to men if their survival is at stake. Men would be clueless at first just like the first men on earth were clueless, but eventually we would still end up with similar results as the past with similar societal models and outcomes. That is, because these outcomes came from predisposition's given through biology and gender psychology.


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[Cintra]

So class,

What have y’alls learned in this thread?
I do not give gold stars or stickers for extra credit either

I learned that @weskrongden would be quite sexy if he wasn't a white supremacist.

 

[justjess]

You are actually the one who is misrepresenting me. Just look at the commends I bolded.

I asked for some means of proof that there were a substantial amount of wives that were getting raped by their husbands. What I asked for was fair given the statements being made.

How can you prove that? It wasn’t illegal so there won’t be police reports or studies. Your asking for something impossible and you know it.

 

[kerrichinchilla]

Besides North Africans, black people never really left Africa. I didn't say anything about other groups not having achievements but I was making the point it would be tragic to lose white people and their uniqueness. It would be tragic to lose East Asians or other groups too. Plenty of people have gotten DNA tests and there's not as much mixing as you'd expect, a couple percent. If a European ventured to another continent and breeded with a native then goes back to Europe and breeds with his wife, the kid with his wife is just European.

Most of those shitty areas of Amerare non white lol.

White people ar not unique or special. You do realise Europeans arent all white, Right?! A large of the population of white people have asian DNA due to Genghis Khan and his fertile ways. Europeans exist BECAUSE of Asian migration and the silk road trade routes.
Humans themselves are African and emigrated across the globe, Whites are just an off shoot, a mutant in a sense.


I wonder why areas with high non white populations have it bad in the US, Nothing to do with the history of white America and its exploitation of black communities and low standard education. Its well known how bad White Americans treated and still treat black communities. You kow its bad when the Nazis treated black GI's better in POW camps than their own country did or that the British population was so shocked and angry with the treatment of black GI's that they banned white GI's or beat the crap out of white GI's.

Many Black GIs Found a Safe Place in Britain in Contrast to Racist Abuse From Their Fellow Countrymen

Today, many people have a slightly distorted view of the relationship between the British and the vast numbers of American servicemen that were ferried

www.warhistoryonline.com

 

[justjess]

You deserve to have some of your feminist ideas and skewed depiction of history challenged. You have been just as obstinate.

Except that isn’t what your doing. Your making assumptions both about the past and about my own character (as well as others). Can’t argue with people when the only basis for their own argument is their imagination. For instance: I have zero issue asking my husband for help. None. But I imagine if we are living in the end times the vegetables I grow are going to be just as important as the meat he kills and in a clinch either one of us is prepared to do the others “job” if need be - I taught him to garden, he taught me to shoot, we are both learning to raise our own animals. Because that’s what PARTNERS do.

 

[Tidal]

Also feminists were being tortured raped and killed during suffrage in America and Europe. They are still being tortured, raped and killed in countries across the world today. One shining example is Iran where women are being imprisoned for refusing head scarfs..

1- I dunno how America treated suffragettes, but in England they were treated real bad-

2- Meanwhile in muslim countries they still look down on women-

 

[kerrichinchilla]

Besides North Africans, black people never really left Africa. I didn't say anything about other groups not having achievements but I was making the point it would be tragic to lose white people and their uniqueness. It would be tragic to lose East Asians or other groups too. Plenty of people have gotten DNA tests and there's not as much mixing as you'd expect, a couple percent. If a European ventured to another continent and breeded with a native then goes back to Europe and breeds with his wife, the kid with his wife is just European.

Most of those shitty areas of Amerare non white lol.

White people ar not unique or special. You do realise Europeans arent all white, Right?! A large of the population of white people have asian DNA due to Genghis Khan and his fertile ways. Europeans exist BECAUSE of Asian migration and the silk road trade routes. View attachment 59654
Humans themselves are African and emigrated across the globe, Whites are just an off shoot, a mutant in a sense.
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I wonder why areas with high non white populations have it bad in the US, Nothing to do with the history of white America and its exploitation of black communities and low standard education. Its well known how bad White Americans treated and still treat black communities. You kow its bad when the Nazis treated black GI's better in POW camps than their own country did or that the British population was so shocked and angry with the treatment of black GI's that they banned white GI's or beat the crap out of white GI's.

Many Black GIs Found a Safe Place in Britain in Contrast to Racist Abuse From Their Fellow Countrymen

Today, many people have a slightly distorted view of the relationship between the British and the vast numbers of American servicemen that were ferried

www.warhistoryonline.com

 

[Aero]

Clueless at first. That doesn't negate instinct and biology eventually kicking in to set the course like it once did and always will do. I mean these "male dominated" (feminist words) societal models of the past were ultimately dictated by something inherent within us that made them fall into place the way it did. If there was a restart and we all had to start from scratch I doubt the world would end up with a different outcome and that is, because just like our biology/gender psychology dictated the models of the past the same biology/ gender psychology would leave us again with similar results. The reality that most women will always instinctively look to men if their survival is at stake. Men would be clueless at first just like the first men on earth were clueless, but eventually we would still end up with similar results as the past with similar societal models and outcomes. That is, because these outcomes came from predisposition's given through biology and gender psychology.

We don't know enough about the earliest civilizations to make those kinds of statements. Besides, a total reset isn't a possibility, like no matter what happens, we will always have the great equalizer (guns).

There were plenty of women rulers in ancient history, the first being recorded in 2,400BC. So it would be fair to say if society collapsed today there would be even more women in leadership positions. More importantly, if we ended up with a similar outcome, that would not be due to gender psychology. It would be because of group psychology and the power dynamics contained within.

Group psychology is why oppression prevails. The only thing inherent there is the fight or flight instinct, which both men and women experience. In other words, I'm afraid I have to disagree with your characterization of men. A woman can't just find any scrub and suddenly be any safer. The opposite is more likely to be true like you get with the wrong man and you're pretty much dead meat.