Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[Lyfe]

If these men are disgusting then what is a woman who would deprive her kids of their father and deprive the father of her kids? That's incredibly selfish even if the parents may not get along. In what percent of these marriages did the father pose legitimate harm to the kids or the wife? Very minimal percent... I can think of a few spades that rightly describe such a person. Scumbag, maybe? I mean surely that's probably worse or just as bad as not paying child support?

So your shaming tactics are boring, petty, childish, and quite frankly don't work and ought to be rejected along with this idea based off of entitlement that its ok for a woman to not only take kids away from their father for reasons other than him being a direct threat to the wife and kids, but then demand the father pay these child support fees and he is a scumbag if he doesn't. If the woman is confident enough she can raise her kids without the father enough to take them then she should do it. The sad truth is these kids will be raised by other another man and the women will demand he take care of kids that arent even his. Talk about entitlement complex.

 

[Drifter]

If these men are disgusting then what is a woman who would deprive her kids of their father and deprive the father of her kids? That's incredibly selfish even if the parents may not get along. In what percent of these marriages did the father pose legitimate harm to the kids or the wife? Very minimal percent... I can think of a few spades that rightly describe such a person. Scumbag, maybe? I mean surely that's probably worse or just as bad as not paying child support?

So your shaming tactics are boring, petty, childish, and quite frankly don't work and ought to be rejected along with this idea based off of entitlement that its ok for a woman to not only take kids away from their father for reasons other than him being a direct threat to the wife and kids, but then demand the father pay these child support fees and he is a scumbag if he doesn't. If the woman is confident enough she can raise her kids without the father enough to take them then she should do it. The sad truth is these kids will be raised by other another man and the women will demand he take care of kids that arent even his. Talk about entitlement complex.

Projection, ghost statistics, misreading articles provided. That's what's getting boring, petty and childish.

 

[Lyfe]

Projection, ghost statistics, misreading articles provided. That's what's getting boring, petty and childish.

Roughly 50 percent of marriages fail. Roughly 50 percent of divorces involve children.

That already establishes one of the two birth parents will be getting custody. 80 percent of the time its women

Those are ghost statistics? K

 

[Drifter]

Honestly it’s a bit infuriating. Objective statistics clearly show that the vast majority of noncustodial fathers aren’t paying child support or alimony and the majority of men that are paying child support are paying a PITTANCE in comparison to what it actually costs to raise a child - yet the myth of the gold digging ex wife drinking martinis on the poor abused victim ex males dime continues to persist. No acknowledgment that the men spreading these stories have a vested interest in skewing their representation. None at all.

on top of the statistics all anecdotal evidence from any woman I’ve ever known shows a completely different story - men who refuse to contribute financially or otherwise to their children’s lives, men who cheat and otherwise neglect their wives fighting tooth and nail to deny them any financial support after making them give up their own careers and spend DECADES solely supporting their husbands ambitions etc etc.

I am blessed that I had a father who was an actual MAN and made it perfectly clear that this was entirely unacceptable behavior and instilled in me the skills I needed to take care of my own and the confidence I needed to never accept that kind of treatment to begin with.

The funny thing is, as @Lyfe shows in his responses, these men will flat out refuse to look at any facts or stats that contradict their own victim complex. Or they'll go through the arguments put forward by women with a fine tooth comb while simultaneously blindly believing the MGTOW echo chambers. Then go off on an emotional spiel about evil women . . . Then they write women off for being irrational and overly emotional. You cant win lol. I dont know if male entitlement is a recent thing or if it sets from generations back.

 

[Drifter]

Roughly 50 percent of marriages fail. Roughly 50 percent of divorces involve children.

That already establishes one of the two birth parents will be getting custody. 80 percent of the time its women

Those are ghost statistics? K

Why do women get majority custody?

 

[Drifter]

Roughly 50 percent of marriages fail. Roughly 50 percent of divorces involve children.

That already establishes one of the two birth parents will be getting custody. 80 percent of the time its women

Those are ghost statistics? K

Also: "In what percent of these marriages did the father pose legitimate harm to the kids or the wife? Very minimal percent..."

Yes, ghost stats. You did the same thing with women being abused or unhappy post feminism.

 

[justjess]

If these men are disgusting then what is a woman who would deprive her kids of their father and deprive the father of her kids? That's incredibly selfish even if the parents may not get along. In what percent of these marriages did the father pose legitimate harm to the kids or the wife? Very minimal percent... I can think of a few spades that rightly describe such a person. Scumbag, maybe? I mean surely that's probably worse or just as bad as not paying child support?

So your shaming tactics are boring, petty, childish, and quite frankly don't work and ought to be rejected along with this idea based off of entitlement that its ok for a woman to not only take kids away from their father for reasons other than him being a direct threat to the wife and kids, but then demand the father pay these child support fees and he is a scumbag if he doesn't. If the woman is confident enough she can raise her kids without the father enough to take them then she should do it. The sad truth is these kids will be raised by other another man and the women will demand he take care of kids that arent even his. Talk about entitlement complex.

How many fathers are too “busy” to even spend the reduced time they get with their kids? How many kids sit waiting every weekend for a dad to show up that never does? Again, cry me a River with your one sided delusional nonsense.

I’m pretty sure this is why you can’t get laid, let alone find a good spouse.

 

[Aero]

The attitudes of some men in this thread personify why I always get delegated to being a "side guy" in like all my relationships.

What I mean is, the MGTOW and incel types aren't any different than many "main guys" in the relationship world. Both types of men are incredibly entitled and controlling. So the MGTOWers simply haven't found a woman they can control. And the "main guys" in a relationship have found a woman they can control.

Some may argue, the side guys aren't alpha enough, but I don't see it this way. Instead of that, we can chalk these relationship problems up to the best of both worlds phenomenon. In other words, a lot of women must feel so smothered and controlled that they seek out "side guys" to fulfill a role that their regular partner refuses to play.

The main guy may have money and status, but their constant weaponization of those things has really exacerbated the disconnect I've described. I'm not trying to rant too much because being the side guy isn't bad for me personally. It isn't enjoyable as a whole, knowing men are pushing their women into these situations.

 

[Lyfe]

Lol... You guys are doing exactly what you are accusing me of which is basically relinquishing women of any guilt in these matters. If most women share your views and will go to lengths like you two are to justify that taking the kids from their father and vice versa is now acceptable and even encouraged(for reasons other than ones that pose a threat to the kids or wife) then it really only solidifies MGTOWS views even more.

Jess you seem to be getting a little emotional and even a little bit nasty. Maybe its been a while since you last changed your playtex? How many men have wanted you in your life? Havent you only been with your husband, like, ever? I feel awful to say such things, but you want to be rude and personal then you deserve rude treatment back.

 

[justjess]

Lol... You guys are doing exactly what you are accusing me of which is basically relinquishing women of any guilt in these matters. If most women share your views and will go to lengths like you two are to justify that taking the kids from their father and vice versa is now acceptable and even encouraged(for reasons other than ones that pose a threat to the kids or wife) then it really only solidifies MGTOWS views even more.

Jess you seem to be getting a little emotional and even a little bit nasty. Maybe its been a while since you last changed your playtex? How many men have wanted you in your life? Havent you only been with your husband, like, ever? I feel awful to say such things, but you want to be rude and personal then you deserve rude treatment back.

Emotional? Hi sexist! Happy you showed your sexist ass face to the crowd clearly. My period? Your really rackingg them up

there is nothing emotional about what I’m saying other than basic human emotion and women tend not to suppress that and let it come out as resentment and aggression like men do.

yeah I’ve been with my husband “for like forever” but I have female relatives and female friends and I’ve seen what they have gone through firsthand.The first five years of my relationship with my husband were also rocky and he spent 12 years in prison so I have some experience being a single mom despite being in a relationship. Your view of women and your view of this entire situation is so incredibly distorted it is frustrating. Even more frustrating that you are so hard headed you won’t even acknowledge that statistically you are wrong despite you being the person who brought statistics into the equation to begin with.

FYI - the courts grant women primary custody more often because of... wait for it... SEXISM

 

[justjess]

The majority of drug addicts are men, the majority of cheaters are men, the majority of abusers are men, the majority of criminals are men. But women should just suck it up, shut their mouths and put out - amirite?

 

[Drifter]

Jess you seem to be getting a little emotional and even a little bit nasty. Maybe its been a while since you last changed your playtex? How many men have wanted you in your life? Havent you only been with your husband, like, ever? I feel awful to say such things, but you want to be rude and personal then you deserve rude treatment back.

So you continually ignore her statistics and all of her points then fall back on the emotional argument when she gets annoyed and frustrated. Classy, but it's so much easier to just admit you dont know wtf you're talking about.

 

[Lyfe]

Emotional? Hi sexist! Happy you showed your sexist ass face to the crowd clearly. My period? Your really rackingg

there is nothing emotional about what I’m saying other than basic human emotion and women tend not to suppress that and let it come out as resentment and aggression like men do.

yeah I’ve been with my husband “for like forever” but I have female relatives and female friends and I’ve seen what they have gone through firsthand.The first five years of my relationship with my husband were also rocky and he spent 12 years in prison so I have some experience being a single mom despite being in a relationship. Your view of women and your view of this entire situation is so incredibly distorted it is frustrating. Even more frustrating that you are so hard headed you won’t even acknowledge that statistically you are wrong despite you being the person who brought statistics into the equation to begin with.

FYI - the courts grant women primary custody more often because of... wait for it... SEXISM

So im sexist for what remarks exactly? If I am sexist for being an avid contributor in these type of discussions then what are you?

I fail to see how my logic is faulty so I will break it down real simple...

70 percent of divorces are initiated by women. 50 percent of marriages end in divorce. 50 percent of those divorces involve children. 80 percent of the time the mother retains custody.

Now if I was a man and were given these numbers why would I be so quick to gamble my time, finances, and emotions in an investment like marriage when there is more than a substantial chance it will fail and if it does fail I have more to lose in almost every circumstance. Now you can dispute whos fault it is for these marriages coming to an end, but the base premise of MGTOW concludes that marriage has no longer become worth a mans pursuits and he is better off investing in himself and putting his own goals and desires at the forefront of his agenda rather than spend his life pleasing and investing in a woman that its likely he wont last long with or be with for the rest of his life. If he does maintain a woman in his life it should never be under the context of marriage where these terms and agreements that could lead to potential loss apply. Now based off of all of this how how does MGTOW lack any sort of legitimacy on its views ?

 

[Drifter]

Lol... You guys are doing exactly what you are accusing me of which is basically relinquishing women of any guilt in these matters. If most women share your views and will go to lengths like you two are to justify that taking the kids from their father and vice versa is now acceptable and even encouraged(for reasons other than ones that pose a threat to the kids or wife) then it really only solidifies MGTOWS views even more.

 

[Lyfe]

So you continually ignore her statistics and all of her points then fall back on the emotional argument when she gets annoyed and frustrated. Classy, but it's so much easier to just admit you dont know wtf you're talking about.

Lol... She disrespected me pretty hard and Im the bad guy?

 

[Drifter]

Lol... She disrespected me pretty hard and Im the bad guy?

It's not that you're the "bad guy", you're just either being willfully obtuse or you're not actually reading what she's been saying.

 

[Drifter]

So im sexist for what remarks exactly? If I am sexist for being an avid contributor in these type of discussions then what are you?

I fail to see how my logic is faulty so I will break it down real simple...

70 percent of divorces are initiated by women. 50 percent of marriages end in divorce. 50 percent of those divorces involve children. 80 percent of the time the mother retains custody.

Now if I was a man and were given these numbers why would I be so quick to gamble my time, finances, and emotions in an investment like marriage when there is more than a substantial chance it will fail and if it does fail I have more to lose in almost every circumstance. Now you can dispute whos fault it is for these marriages coming to an end, but the base premise of MGTOW concludes that marriage has no longer become worth a mans pursuits and he is better off investing in himself and putting his own goals and desires at the forefront of his agenda rather than spend his life pleasing and investing in a woman that its likely he wont last long with or be with for the rest of his life. If he does maintain a woman in his life it should never be under the context of marriage where these terms and agreements that could lead to potential loss apply. Now based off of all of this how how does MGTOW lack any sort of legitimacy on its views ?

1. Why do alimony and child support exist in the first place?
2. Why do women predominantly get custody?

 

[justjess]

Lol... She disrespected me pretty hard and Im the bad guy?

Your a sexist because you constantly throw out “emotional” at women on these forums. Your a sexist because you asked me if I was on my period. Your a sexist because you think women are obligated to put out for their husbands regardless of their own desires. Your a sexist because you believe if a woman is no longer putting out for you it absolves you of the financial responsibility for your own children. Your a sexist because the only statistics ou are willing to acknowledge are those which are pro male (when read without context) and you absolutely refuse to deal with the statistics which show a more nuanced and objective position. Your a sexist because you agree with MGTOW that relationships aren’t worth it for a man because he may have to share custody of and split expenses for children born by a woman who will no longer put out for him. Would you like me to continue?

you’ve made your own lack of experience with women public knowledge. Excuse me for trying to offer you some insight that those difficulties are likely the result of this attitude and the positions you hold.

 

[justjess]

So im sexist for what remarks exactly? If I am sexist for being an avid contributor in these type of discussions then what are you?

I fail to see how my logic is faulty so I will break it down real simple...

70 percent of divorces are initiated by women. 50 percent of marriages end in divorce. 50 percent of those divorces involve children. 80 percent of the time the mother retains custody.

Now if I was a man and were given these numbers why would I be so quick to gamble my time, finances, and emotions in an investment like marriage when there is more than a substantial chance it will fail and if it does fail I have more to lose in almost every circumstance. Now you can dispute whos fault it is for these marriages coming to an end, but the base premise of MGTOW concludes that marriage has no longer become worth a mans pursuits and he is better off investing in himself and putting his own goals and desires at the forefront of his agenda rather than spend his life pleasing and investing in a woman that its likely he wont last long with or be with for the rest of his life. If he does maintain a woman in his life it should never be under the context of marriage where these terms and agreements that could lead to potential loss apply. Now based off of all of this how how does MGTOW lack any sort of legitimacy on its views ?

You sound like my father in law who advised my husband not to give our son his last name so I couldn’t attach our child to his inheritance lol. Dumbass forgot to advise him not to sign the birth certificate as well.

Marriages would not fail so often if men were actually investing in their wives to begin with

 

[Lyfe]

1. Why do alimony and child support exist in the first place?
2. Why do women predominantly get custody?

Your not even understanding that my issue is not even with alimony and child support even existing. Its with what it can all apply to and circumstances in which it still applies, and OFTEN does indeed apply to. Its set up in such a way and exists in such a time with such norms that it ends up favoring women in almost all instances of divorce. MGTOW is just a solution and protection against such.

Why do women mainly get custody and is it acceptable if those reasons are based off of anything other than immediate harm posed to the child or mother? As far as I know there is no real basis other than it is decided by courts that a mother is a better candidate to raise the children when no indications of abuse are present.