Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[Cintra]

So do you believe there should be a support group for men who fall into the category I described?

No idea.

If they want, I suppose.
But marriage counseling might help more.

 

[Lyfe]

No idea.

If they want, I suppose.
But marriage counseling might help more.

A woman should just not simply be able to have the power to take resources she didnt earn, a house she didnt buy, and the kids of her former husband according to law without an incredible reason.

 

[Cintra]

A woman should just not simply be able to have the power to take resources she didnt earn, a house she didnt buy, and the kids of her former husband according to law without an incredible reason.

If she has been looking after the kids, she did earn it.

 

[Lyfe]

If she has been looking after the kids, she did earn it.

Give an example....

 

[Cintra]

Give an example....

If a husband works while the woman stays at home to look after the house and look after the kids, she is working.

She is working 24/7 forever.
No day off, no clocking off and going home to relax.
Hard, thankless work, making new people for the world.

Half of what her husband earns is hers, because she is working at home so he can work his job.

Without her he would have to give up his job to look after the kids, or pay someone else to do it.

This is the problem with the traditional way.
She stays home and works her fingers to the bone 24/7, he does 9 to 5, but because the pay slip is in his name he thinks it is all his.
Her huge contribution goes unnoticed and unrewarded.

 

[Lyfe]

If a husband works while the woman stays at home to look after the house and look after the kids, she is working.

She is working 24/7 forever.
No day off, no clocking off and going home to relax.
Hard, thankless work, making new people for the world.

Half of what her husband earns is hers, because she is working at home so he can work his job.

Without her he would have to give up his job to look after the kids, or pay someone else to do it.

This is the problem with the traditional way.
She stays home and works her fingers to the bone 24/7, he does 9 to 5, but because the pay slip is in his name he thinks it is all his.
Her huge contribution goes unnoticed and unrewarded.

So then where is the husband when he isnt working his 9 to 5? Whats his reason for never being home after his shift is over? In what circumstance do kids even need that much tending to after say like 7 or 8 o clock when they usually go to bed?

Is that grounds to divorce him and take his kids away, the house, and money that he primarily earned?

Lets say the husband is just never home at all, but working and that money is going toward the family. Is that enough to justify divorce and taking his kids and resources away?

 

[Lyfe]

Not to mention isnt there a certain age where kids begin to more or less take care of themselves?

 

[justjess]

Why does it matter whether or not the person is adult or a child if abuse is happening or potential of abuse is there and likely? What points did you disagree with?

If feminism has basis then how can a movement better protecting children not have basis? I suppose I can make my own thread... Nobody can really sit there and say my objections to modern parenting are exaggerated tho.

There already was a movement for that... that’s why we have CPS laws and family court and child guardians and child advocate groups. In the case of children those were the solutions because they still can’t make their own decisions.

In the case of abused women they instead granted us the “privilege” of being considered actual human adults with agency and the rights to work and own property in our own name giving us the ability to escape of our own free will.

I’m sure you can see the blatant difference in approach to solution and deduce from there that comparing the plight of abused children with abused women is ridiculous on many levels

 

[Cintra]

So then where is the husband when he isnt working his 9 to 5? Whats his reason for never being home after his shift is over? In what circumstance do kids even need that much tending to after say like 7 or 8 o clock when they usually go to bed?

Is that grounds to divorce him and take his kids away, the house, and money that he primarily earned?

Lets say the husband is just never home at all, but working and that money is going toward the family. Is that enough to justify divorce and taking his kids and resources away?

Is this a theoretical conversation?
This is an imaginary couple with imagnary children?

The husband is down the pub' or playing playstation with his mates.
His working day is over, he can put his feet up.

She still has to be there for when the kids want a drink of water, wet the bed, have a nightmare.
Never off duty.

Then when they are older there is the waiting up, the picking up the pieces, wiping the tears and the vomit.

I suggest this theoretical family get some counselling.

 

[Lyfe]

There already was a movement for that... that’s why we have CPS laws and family court and child guardians and child advocate groups. In the case of children those were the solutions because they still can’t make their own decisions.

I could be objective though and contend that those agencies do not do enough to circumvent the problem and that greater measures need to be taken. I think my objective stance is more than warranted and even probable to make greater headway at this point, because those agencies don't really don't do that much to help the epidemic of abused, neglected, and failed children.

I’m sure you can see the blatant difference in approach to solution and deduce from there that comparing the plight of abused children with abused women is ridiculous on many levels

Why should I see a blatant difference? I mean its all purely relative to the light that is being shed on alleged mistreatment/abuse and who is shedding that light. You are asking me to see a difference like I have asked certain feminists to see a difference between oppression and mistreatment vs the context of certain times. I don't have to see a difference all I need to do is point out certain realities and use numbers and statistics and thats enough to rally enough people to do something more about all the abused, neglected, and failed children.

 

[Lyfe]

Is this a theoretical conversation?
This is an imaginary couple with imagnary children?

The husband is down the pub' or playing playstation with his mates.
His working day is over, he can put his feet up.

She still has to be there for when the kids want a drink of water, wet the bed, have a nightmare.
Never off duty.

Then when they are older there is the waiting up, the picking up the pieces, wiping the tears and the vomit.

I suggest this theoretical family get some counselling.

Lets just say all these things are happening. How would that look if you were to break that down into who does more for the kids in the marriage? If the sole income of that house is provided for by the man it can be argued that every hour of labor is an hour spent on those kids. If the man spends 8 hours of his day solely dedicated to the kids and the wife spends lets say 10 is that difference even that much? I cant think of any situation where a wife spends 10 hours of her day constantly on kids and she doesnt have a break for herself to have personal time for herself.,... I mean did the wife sit around and watch soap operas on her downtime with her homegirls? Did she have a glass of wine and read a book?

Idk... seems like a silly conversation we are having, but I think we should be real here.

 

[justjess]

You don’t have a job? You don’t pay taxes?

Either way, I was using “you” as the woman in general. Feminism taught women to reject being submissive to the husband to go into the work force and be submissive to the work force. The same work force will tell you how to wear your hair, dress, talk, what time to go and leave and women are fine with that. They don’t call it slavery. But replace that with a man and now it’s slavery? Again doesn’t make much sense to me

The workforce most definitely is also slavery. I work for myself

 

[Cintra]

Lets just say all these things are happening. How would that look if you were to break that down into who does more for the kids in the marriage? If the sole income of that house is provided for by the man it can be argued that every hour of labor is an hour spent on those kids. If the man spends 8 hours of his day solely dedicated to the kids and the wife spends lets say 10 is that difference even that much? I cant think of any situation where a wife spends 10 hours of her day constantly on kids and she doesnt have a break for herself to have personal time for herself.,... I mean did the wife sit around and watch soap operas on her downtime with her homegirls? Did she have a glass of wine and read a book?

Idk... seems like a silly conversation we are having, but I think we should be real here.

Well, lets say that they both do 8 hours.

That's same time each, all resources should be split equally.
They have both earned their share.

And no, she shouldn't take his kids off him.
If the marriage has broken down they shouldn't use the kids as bargaining chips.
An equitable arrangement should be made, and I would hope that the couple can resolve their differences and become a family again.

I would give both my sympathy for their troubles, and hope that they can sort things out, especially where it comes to the children, who are best off with two parents who aren't fighting.

I wish our theoretical family all the best, and I cross my fingers and toes that they can sort it out.

 

[Lyfe]

Well, lets say that they both do 8 hours.

That's same time each, all resources should be split equally.
They have both earned their share.

And no, she shouldn't take his kids off him.
If the marriage has broken down they shouldn't use the kids as bargaining chips.
An equitable arrangement should be made, and I would hope that the couple can resolve their differences and become a family again.

I would give both my sympathy for their troubles, and hope that they can sort things out, especially where it comes to the children, who are best off with two parents who aren't fighting.

I wish our theoretical family all the best, and I cross my fingers and toes that they can sort it out.

Ok. Lets even say that a husband sees his wife is unhappy in the marriage and does agree to counseling and fix the problem. What if hes just lame and cant make her happy, or tries too hard to fix things? What if hes just boring or doesnt feel the same way? Is that enough reason for divorce in your opinion? What if he accepts his flaws tho still affirms his love for his wife and she's unwilling to look past them.

I think once you have kids and apart from adultery or abuse there really is no justification for divorce and if there is divorce and its one sided then the woman should not have the right to take the kids, a home, and resources from the man unless its a situation she needs to escape for the wellbeing of herself and the kids...

 

[KoncreteMind]

The rest of the post seemed based on the assumption that I paid taxes and worked for a corporation.

As the initial assumption was incorrect the rest of the post seemed irrelevant to me.

That can’t be when I said I was speaking in general in that same post. The point remains the same tho about feminism telling woman to trade submissiveness to the husband for submissiveness to the job. If you don’t have something to add or disagree with then I guess that’s it on that front...

 

[justjess]

A woman should just not simply be able to have the power to take resources she didnt earn, a house she didnt buy, and the kids of her former husband according to law without an incredible reason.

Then you should be all FOR feminism since the only reason alimony and child support are granted is because women have less earning power

 

[Lyfe]

Then you should be all FOR feminism since the only reason alimony and child support are granted is because women have less earning power

Less earning power or the jobs that women naturally gravitate toward pay less? You seem to be more educated on the matter than I am. Either way that's almost beside the point. Is it right for a woman to be able to have a right to receive all these things through divorce? Correct me if I am wrong, but don't more women initiate divorce than men?

 

[justjess]

I could be objective though and contend that those agencies do not do enough to circumvent the problem and that greater measures need to be taken. I think my objective stance is more than warranted and even probable to make greater headway at this point, because those agencies don't really don't do that much to help the epidemic of abused, neglected, and failed children.




Why should I see a blatant difference? I mean its all purely relative to the light that is being shed on alleged mistreatment/abuse and who is shedding that light. You are asking me to see a difference like I have asked certain feminists to see a difference between oppression and mistreatment vs the context of certain times. I don't have to see a difference all I need to do is point out certain realities and use numbers and statistics and thats enough to rally enough people to do something more about all the abused, neglected, and failed children.

You do need to see a difference since your using abused children as a strawman to argue against feminism when they are completely different topics and your doing this by reducing the entire cause and reasoning behind feminism to physical abuse from men when it was SOOOOO much more than that. Your being disingenuous and you know it.

as for the child abuse issue I suggest if you care so much you get out and lobby for better funding for the thousands of agencies out there (comprised mostly of women) fighting to end it and help those children. They don’t fund them better btw because those jobs are viewed as “women’s work” and less deserving or necessary

 

[justjess]

Less earning power or the jobs that women naturally gravitate toward pay less? You seem to be more educated on the matter than I am. Either way that's almost beside the point. Is it right for a woman to be able to have a right to receive all these things through divorce? Correct me if I am wrong, but don't more women initiate divorce than men?

The overall pay gap is attributed partially to BOTH. But even the “jobs women naturally gravitate to paying less” is an issue of sexism since the justification for that is that the people working them aren’t the primary breadwinner (a former commissioner told us this when we asked for a raise when I worked at cps btw) and work normally done by women isn’t VALUED by men as much despite the last two recessions showing us that those positions are essential to the functioning of society

if your keeping your wife financially dependent on you and you divorce, then yes she is entitled to half. Should have married a more independent woman. Never heard “cheaper to keep her”? Women don’t usually initiate divorce for no reason despite what some guys you saw on MGTOW boards claim - they have a reason to be bias in their assessment of the issue when reporting to others and I’m sure their lack of personal insight was part of the reason their women ended up leaving them to begin with

 

[Maes17]

The overall pay gap is attributed partially to BOTH. But even the “jobs women naturally gravitate to paying less” is an issue of sexism since the justification for that is that the people working them aren’t the primary breadwinner (a former commissioner told us this when we asked for a raise when I worked at cps btw) and work normally done by women isn’t VALUED by men as much despite the last two recessions showing us that those positions are essential to the functioning of society

if your keeping your wife financially dependent on you and you divorce, then yes she is entitled to half. Should have married a more independent woman. Never heard “cheaper to keep her”? Women don’t usually initiate divorce for no reason despite what some guys you saw on MGTOW boards claim - they have a reason to be bias in their assessment of the issue when reporting to others and I’m sure their lack of personal insight was part of the reason their women ended up leaving them to begin with

That’s why I don’t put too much stock into statistics. My wife is the breadwinner of the family here. I don’t feel any less manly either.

I’ve always felt if someone meets the qualifications for said salary and they perform well. They should earn every penny regardless of gender.

Because I rarely interact with these statistics in my life. Or I’m at least oblivious to it. It seems society still has a long waaaays to go