Why is Feminism much worse than Cancer nowadays that is caused by women which keeps most men single?

[KoncreteMind]

The source for that definition was the LDS lol, they are as far from feminist as possible

Fair enough. But when you google the phrase “ezer kenegdo” you see many people trying to make the same points y’all are. When the rest of the Bible as a whole doesn’t really support that....

 

[KoncreteMind]

Male entitlement...
Male fragility.

Some of us want togo by what God intended. The rest want to go by “Lucifer”. Hope you chose wisely....

 

[Cintra]

Some of us want togo by what God intended. The rest want to go by “Lucifer”. Hope you chose wisely....

Tbh, I don't believe in either.

But that is beside the point.
Women should be able to determine their own lives, and not be owned by someone else.

Helpmeet, however it is understood, was never intended to mean slave.

 

[Maes17]

Male entitlement...
Male fragility.

Ego

 

[Drifter]

I don’t need your hint because it’s only because people came and white washed history. Last time I checked the white supremacy thread had a guy limiting black people to banging on bongo drums in Africa. And that’s AFTER I already showed him depictions of black people being in places such as America Europe or Asia BEFORE slavery. And yet when time goes on he still goes back to saying the same stereotypes anyways. There being depictions of them in places modern history tells us they shouldn’t have been until slavery shows an example of the white washing of history. That’s really the tldr. In depth? There’s a thread for that. You don’t wanna go in there because you don’t care. You just wanna deflect from this topic because you can’t answer what women are contributing as a unit...

You still arent answering my question. Where are the modern day successful black countries and mass black achievement? What, now that slavery is abolished? How were Europeans even able to whitewash history? Because they're inherently superior to black people? If you cant see the connection between the two then I really dont know what to tell you. You keep asking for mass contribution from women when you're smart enough to realize women were actively prevented from contributing. In societies that were more egalitarian you'll find that women contributed much more. Look up what they did in hunter gatherer societies for example. And they also always worked, contrary to the very narrow housewife model that has never been universal.

I rather go by definitions than opinions:

Strongs 5048
neged: in front of, in sight of, opposite to
Original Word: נֶגֶד
Part of Speech: substantive; adverb; preposition; adverb; preposition
Transliteration: neged
Phonetic Spelling: (neh'-ghed)
Definition: in front of, in sight of, opposite to

Strongs 5828
ezer: a help, helper
Original Word: עֵזֶר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ezer
Phonetic Spelling: (ay'-zer)
Definition: a help, helper

Both these words are used yet you’re arguing against the Bible saying women were created to be help to men.

What I wrote WERE definitions Koncrete. They even broke the words down to their roots. This was from people who actually work with linguistic analyses for a living. Did you even read any of it? Even in a simple, low-morphology language like English you should know that looking up a definition of any word at random is not going to give you the full scope of its usage or explain how it's used in context. Hebrew is even more conplex considering its morphology.

I’m just pointing out that biblically man and women were in different hierarchies.

You say as you refuse to actually analyze the language of the biblical texts.

That’s why it says that the woman was the help to the man in the beginning (ezer). That’s why it says there will be a time that 7 women will cleave to one man (even if you want to believe that was in the past).

This is a moot point since you refuse to accept you dont know how to parse either "ezer" or "kenegdo".

It’s why it says man wasn’t created for woman but woman for man. It’s why God named man and man named woman.

You missed the point of the Corinthians passage. And the word "woman" doesnt come from the word "man" -the Germanic rootwords are different. The creation story isnt even recorded in English lol what even is this point you're trying to make?

As far as that post you can’t be literally asking me to answer you sentence by sentence could you? I mean side from rib? What’s it matter. Man was made from the earth and you were made from man. But you think you’re the same as man? Or that there isn’t a hierarchy? I’m not talking about being under a rapist abusing drug addict. I’m talking about being under a spiritual man connected to the Creator. That was the natural order. God, man, woman. And it’s right there in Genesis. It doesn’t mean we abuse you. It doesn’t mean we put you in chains.But that’s what feminism teaches you being under a man is while they send you out to work for corporations...

Tell me now if you're not even going to bother reading my posts. It's a waste of time for me to write out responses only for you to completely ignore or skim them to the point that you regurgitate arguments already addressed. It's frustrating. If you want to believe men are superior to women and all the evil feminist women who want independence are doomed to miserable lives then whatever dude. But dont pretend like your belief stems from anything resembling objective reasoning if you have to rely on dismissing points out of hand becase you evidently cant engage them.

 

[Lyfe]

Tbh, I don't believe in either.

But that is beside the point.
Women should be able to determine their own lives, and not be owned by someone else.

Helpmeet, however it is understood, was never intended to mean slave.

I suppose I have a question. Do you think children should be treated as property or be under complete submission to their parents?

Who is to say that parents wont eventually lose rights over their kids, because some statistics paint parenting in a bad light altogether? I mean if we really think about it these children grow up into adults. Parenting is an utter failure and thus children no longer have reason to trust their parents given that many children grow up to be self-destructive.

Should parents having rights and authority over their children be taken away from them at some point and time in the future and given over to some outside entity?

Kids incur sexcual abuse all the time at the hands of family members. Kids incur physical abuse all the time. They dont get the proper attention...

Should their be more laws given children rights and choices to supersede their parents authority over them?

 

[Lyfe]

I mean there are enough statistics that paint parents having sole rights and authority over their children as a horrible idea. Perhaps kids should have more of a choice over how their parents raise them as protection. Maybe kids should be given the choice at a younger age for placement into a different family if they feel they aren't getting the proper care from their parents. Children suffer more then women do and are more helpless. They basically have no rights... Should kids have a right to say no to their parents and should that right be protected by law?

 

[Cintra]

I suppose I have a question. Do you think children should be treated as property or be under complete submission to their parents?

Who is to say that parents wont eventually lose rights over their kids, because some statistics paint parenting in a bad light altogether? I mean if we really think about it these children grow up into adults. Parenting is an utter failure and thus children no longer have reason to trust their parents given that many children grow up to be self-destructive.

Should parents having rights and authority over their children be taken away from them at some point and time in the future and given over to some outside entity?

Kids incur sexcual abuse all the time at the hands of family members. Kids incur physical abuse all the time. They dont get the proper attention...

Should their be more laws given children rights and choices to supersede their parents authority over them?

I cannot see how this relates to what I said.

Anyway, parents don't own children.
They are their guardians until they become adults, because children cannot look after themselves. They need nurture and teaching and all that stuff until they become able to look after themselves.
Or do you think a 5 year old can take care of itself and it's needs?

Are you suggesting that while male children grow up and become independent, female children never do, and must always be under the charge of a responsible adult?

I really don't understand what you are saying.

 

[Drifter]

Comparing full grown women to children . . . Well at least you're being transparent about your reckoning of women's capabilities @Lyfe .

 

[Drifter]

I cannot see how this relates to what I said.

Anyway, parents don't own children.
They are their guardians until they become adults, because children cannot look after themselves. They need nurture and teaching and all that stuff until they become able to look after themselves.
Or do you think a 5 year old can take care of itself and it's needs?

Are you suggesting that while male children grow up and become independent, female children never do, and must always be under the charge of a responsible adult?

I really don't understand what you are saying.

Fun fact: adult women fully develop the prefrontal cortex at 25 just like men. Ascribing to gender roles is one thing but implying women aren't capable adults like men are . . . That's just strange.

 

[Lyfe]

I cannot see how this relates to what I said.

Anyway, parents don't own children.
They are their guardians until they become adults, because children cannot look after themselves. They need nurture and teaching and all that stuff until they become able to look after themselves.
Or do you think a 5 year old can take care of itself and it's needs?

Are you suggesting that while male children grow up and become independent, female children never do, and must always be under the charge of a responsible adult?

I really don't understand what you are saying.

I suppose I am suggesting that parenting ought to be re evaluated altogether and there is enough basis for reform and parents having less rights over their children.

 

[Lyfe]

Comparing full grown women to children . . . Well at least you're being transparent about your reckoning of women's capabilities @Lyfe .

Strawman.

 

[Cintra]

Comparing full grown women to children . . . Well at least you're being transparent about your reckoning of women's capabilities @Lyfe .

But in other conversations @Lyfe has talked about his wife in a way that suggests he doesn't think that at all.
That he and his wife have a balanced and equitable relationship.

At least that's always how it came across to me.

 

[Drifter]

Strawman.

Then explain what the comparison is between children and adult women? What's the correlation?

 

[Drifter]

But in other conversations @Lyfe has talked about his wife in a way that suggests he doesn't think that at all.
That he and his wife have a balanced and equitable relationship.

At least that's always how it came across to me.

Idk then. Maybe something was misunderstood or poorly worded but it sounded like he was implying women were on the same level of dependence as children. I've never been married but I'm pretty sure the healthiest ones are partnerships where neither spouse is infantilized.

 

[Lyfe]

Then explain what the comparison is between chidren and adult women? What's the correlation?

Both suffer abuse and mistreatment at the hands of someone with authority and power over them. They dont have many rights to protect themselves. Scores of children are physically and sexually abused. Scores of children don't get proper love and attention. Many parents just flat out neglect their kids and dont make the best choices for them.

 

[Drifter]

Both suffer abuse and mistreatment at the hands of someone with authority and power over them. They dont have many rights to protect themselves. Scores of children are physically and sexually abused. Scores of children don't get proper love and attention. Many parents just flat out neglect their kids and dont make the best choices for them.

But marriages (at least in western countries) do NOT put the husband in position of authority over the wife. Not legally, not anymore. Thanks to evil feminism a wife is recognized as her own individual person. Children need guardianship whereas women do not. Surely even your brand of gender roles recognizes a difference in parenthood vs marriage dynamics of authority? The comparison makes no sense.

 

[Cintra]

Idk then. Maybe something was misunderstood or poorly worded but it sounded like he was implying women were on the same level of dependence as children. I've never been married but I'm pretty sure the healthiest ones are partnerships where neither spouse is infantilized.

Yes, that is how it seemed to me too.
I must be confused somewhere. (Not unusual)

 

[Drifter]

Yes, that is how it seemed to me too.
I must be confused somewhere. (Not unusual)

You and me both.

 

[Lyfe]

But marriages (at least in western countries) do NOT put the husband in position of authority over the wife. Not legally, not anymore. Thanks to evil feminism a wife is recognized as her own individual person. Children need guardianship whereas women do not. Surely even your brand of gender roes recognizes a difference in parenthood vs marriage dynamics of authority? The comparison makes no sense.

They do need guardianship, but there are enough examples and statistics that I could throw out there that biological parents have abused their authority over children and children need more protection legally. They ought to have more choices rather than all their choices dictated. I would even suggest that an outside entity raise children altogether with more guidelines and greater supervision so abuse doesnt incur. My point is there are enough examples in parents failing their children that traditional concept of parents raising their children ought to be reviewed and reformed.