The American “Coup d’etat”

[Artful Revealer]

I’ve looked at everything you presented artful. The “evidence” does not withstand scrutiny.

Means you've failed on both an intuitive and rational level. The fact alone that it's been proven the voting systems were connected online in contrast to what CISA guaranteed is enough to want to have a full national audit of every system.

This one's going to bite you in the ass.

Further you’ve blatantly ignored every counter point I’ve made - the months of brainwashing about mail in votes,

It's called warning, not brainwashing. The media has successfully played into the hands of the fraudsters by brainwashing folks that mail-in voting was fraud-free by calling Trump's warnings bs, "baseless claims" with "no evidence" (hey, just like what we're being told now) while mail-in voting is banned in 98% of countries exactly because it turned out to be a fraud-fest whenever and wherever it was tried.

I've asked you to ask yourself that question here:
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Why were the Dems so adamantly pushing for more mail-in-voting which is banned in 98% countries worldwide because it is liable to fraud?

You said it was because of COVID, which was clearly being weaponized so they could cheat.

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the postal service being defunded

Not defunded, but not granted additional funds. The Dems wanted an extra $25 billion.

mail sorting equipment being removed, the postal service refusing a federal order to sweep for ballots, the Republican Party admitting to putting up dummy drop boxes and refusing to take them down, the federal charges pending against republican operatives for robo calls designed to scare people off voting.. you’ve literally just flat out ignored it all. Atleast I bothered to look at your evidence. That’s more then you’ve done.

I've specifically asked you for sources to some of those claims in the same post:
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He then had his postmaster general remove mail sorting equipment from post offices, fought to prevent states from extending timelines to accept ballots and to prevent them from opening them before Election Day, and refused to follow a federal court order requiring them to sweep post offices and ensure there were no remaining ballots that needed to be delivered on Election Day. But no.. he didn’t sabotage the postal system at all

1. Source for every claim, please.

You didn't give any except one that only confirmed what I had already said.

And yes I find the safety and well-being of American citizens to be more important then political theater or which puppet was selected this year.

Moral grandstanding. Don't believe that for a second or you wouldn't have systematically downplayed the destruction of people's well-being and livelihoods by left-wing vandals by pointing your finger at some Proud Boys beating up the vandals.

 

[vancityeagle]

What the psuedo "nationalists" want, is a world order controlled not by the EU and the UN, but a world controlled by

USA, Russia, Israel

They want those to be the 3 power blocks of power in the world

Whereas the so called "Globalists" want a world controlled by global institutions with more power sharing, bringing in nations like China and a unified Europe (EU).

The Trumpers do not want nationalism for other countries, they simply want a US dominated world.

There have always been power blocks, I even remember some arguing that the Axis powers were "anti-imperialists" because they fought the British, French, and American empires.

Yet Italy invaded Ethiopia for empire
Germany wanted "Lebansraum" to control all of Eastern Europe for the Germanic peoples
Japan occupied China and most of Asia and committed mass atrocities.

These people are always exactly the same sort of criminality that they accuse their opponents of being.

Their only problem with the "globalists" is that THEY are not the ones in control.

 

[DavidSon]

Be specific. Virtually everything is not everything, but both are very defeatist.

That in order to reverse global centralization of political, cultural and economic control, you want to decentralize. You start doing that by supporting nationalism, but nationalism in itself shouldn't be the end goal.

You're saying nationalism and globalism are two antitheses of a dialectic, but the NWO pushed by bankers and global institutions like the IMF has always been driven by the idea of globalism, -ism, the idea of one world government, one religion (for the plebs), one currency and one form of global citizen. Those who support to retain the political, cultural and economic sovereignty of their nation are in direct opposition to that. The only synthesis to this dialectic is something like we're seeing in the European Union which is bound to collapse, which is why globalists like Verhofstadt and Cohn-Bendit are obsessed with more federalisation of Europe. They're European nationalists, sort of speak, who hate the guts of people like Farage and Orban.

That a multipolar world with independent nations is the vision of another faction of elites isn't necessarily an untrue statement, but to assume they're in cahoots with one another creates a very uncoherent picture, because a full globalist order would establish much sooner, and would've established already, if it weren't for this resistance in the institutions. It's completely counterproductive.

There are nationalistic countries but the irony is they're leftists. Venezuela and Bolivia had the courage to nationalize their resources- transportation, minerals, gas, etc. They've been on the imperialists chopping block for decades. Countries that go against the US/globalist corporate hegemony suffer through sanctions or even worse punishments.

Trump and Johnson are fake nationalists. The borrowed phrase, "make x great again" doesn't cover their fascist leanings or favoritism toward multinationals. Bring jobs back from China, sure. Brexit has turned into a massive psy-op to demoralize the public and destabilize their economy. I don't believe a Lukeshenko or Bolsonaro are independent either. Unless they've brought true ownership to the people like in Bolivia they're either fake socialists such as Biden's team or pretend libertarians like Dump and the republicans. I'm sure we could split hairs on what micro- policies we favor but they're both slaves to Rothschild.

 

[Artful Revealer]

@vancityeagle

I'm going to need to get your basic premisses straight, else there's no point in debating. I'll address your points once we worked those out.

I frankly can't think of any aspect of human life that is not in some way controlled under the tenticles of either side of the dialectic. If you can think of one, please I'm all ears.

Organized religion is completely under the control of one faction of the NWO.

You basically say that there's only controlled opposition, no genuine ones. Is that correct?

Again nationalism just becomes a meme or a talking point with little meaning, just like "christianity" I described above, it essentially becomes a cult and not anything tangiable.

Donald Trump is not a nationalist. A nationalist does not intentionally try to divide his country so that it can burn to the ground.

Leaders who push Culture wars are not nationalist either, they are just the vehicle for which to be manipulated by the elites for divide and conquer.

Here we're at a complete stalemate. Trump addresses one identity, the national one, and every American who wants to be part of the American process. The "dividers" are those that hate that national (unifying) identity and instead emphasize as many minority identities as possible. <- Identity politics is what divides a nation, not nationalism.

Brexit is not nationalist. Replacing an authoritarian international body, with an authoritarian local government is not nationalist.

Would you agree that Brexit is anti-globalist?

The problem is what you and others call "nationalism" is not in effect nationalism.

Bernie Sanders would be much closer to real "nationalism" than Trump or Brexit.

Define nationalism.

Meaningless to address the rest without that definition.

 

[Artful Revealer]

There are nationalistic countries but the irony is they're leftists. Venezuela and Bolivia had the courage to nationalize their resources- transportation, minerals, gas, etc. They've been on the imperialists chopping block for decades. Countries that go against the US/globalist corporate hegemony suffer through sanctions or even worse punishments.

Trump and Johnson are fake nationalists. The borrowed phrase, "make x great again" doesn't cover their fascist leanings or favoritism toward multinationals. Bring jobs back from China, sure. Brexit has turned into a massive psy-op to demoralize the public and destabilize their economy. I don't believe a Lukeshenko or Bolsonaro are independent either. Unless they've brought true ownership to the people like in Bolivia they're either fake socialists such as Biden's team or pretend libertarians like Dump and the republicans. I'm sure we could split hairs on what micro- policies we favor but they're both slaves to Rothschild.

Unlike "left-wing" nationalists trying to explain to me what nationalism really is, I've been supportive of nationalists whether they were on the left or right of the political center. I don't care where they are on the spectrum, I've openly (on VC) supported Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales as much as I've supported Putin and Trump. Ask the veterans for verification.

You say nationalize resources? What about making your country energy-independent? Does that not count? Or does energy resources have to be in the hands of government?

Ever considered Trump is also on the chopping block of the globalist/corporate imperialists? Or is the fact that the Forbes 500 have integrally supported his opponents and several big tech companies are in cahoots with the Deep State in stealing this election not indicative enough?

 

[UnderAlienControl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1338923147215638528

 

[Helioform]

Wait, you're saying Q are the Luciferians?

Created by the Luciferians.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Created by the Luciferians.

So they're going after their own masters? Like the Frankenstein monster?

 

[Artful Revealer]

The Trumpers do not want nationalism for other countries, they simply want a US dominated world.

Sorry, but this is just the opposite of reality.

 

[Helioform]

So they're going after their own masters? Like the Frankenstein monster?

Nope they only appear to be, this is what controlled opposition is.

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

A forensic audit of the presidential vote tally by Dominion Voting Systems software used in Antrim County, Michigan, showed a more than 68% error rate, with auditors claiming the system intentionally creates the errors so the machine can have them "adjudicated" – allowing individuals to change the result.

The error rate is astounding considering the Federal Election Commission allows a maximum error rate of just 0.0008 percent for computerized voting systems.

"We conclude that the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results," the audit report prepared by Allied Security Operations Group read.

"The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail."

Newsmax: Audit Finds Mich. County's Dominion Voting Was Rigged to Create Fraud

 

[Artful Revealer]

Nope they only appear to be, this is what controlled opposition is.

Since you don't really believe they're trying to take down people in power, you could potentially be convinced of the opposite if they effectively do, then?

 

[Red Sky at Morning]

Sorry, but this is just the opposite of reality.

I agree with Donald Trump’s vision of sovereign nation states @Artful Revealer - the alternative of one world without borders, distinct culture, patriotism or national identity seems horrible to me. Who really wants to return to the system of Nimrod and Babel anyway?! Not me.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Who really wants to return to the system of Nimrod and Babel anyway?! Not me.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[DavidSon]

You say nationalize resources? What about making your country energy-independent? Does that not count? Or does energy resources have to be in the hands of government?

Ever considered Trump is also on the chopping block of the globalist/corporate imperialists? Or is the fact that the Forbes 500 have integrally supported his opponents and several big tech companies are in cahoots with the Deep State in stealing this election not indicative enough?

Yes I don't blindly trust socialism, especially the corpo-communistic shade of the US democratic party. I've read the term "communitarianism" to describe these ideologies. In a democratic society the people should be able to decide what they want nationalized vs. privatized. I read a good article this morning about Citizens United lobbying to allow corporations to spend unlimited funds on elections in the US the last decade. Such stumbling blocks make it difficult to have a well informed population who could make sensible decisions for themselves.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Trump. IMO he's a slave to Wall Street/Blackrock, the MIC, Rothschild Chabad, the pharmaceutical industry, etc.etc.. The high-mark of his presidency was a tax bill for the wealthy and endless gifts to Israel. Wall Street and the Adelsons of the world still gave, Biden just got more. The writing was on the wall. They're both tools of the same power structure, just different flavors. Biden's cabinet and adm. are already something like 60% Jewish. Do you want to be run by conservative Jews or liberal? I don't see any substantial difference.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Do you want to be run by conservative Jews or liberal? I don't see any substantial difference.

I think you're forgetting something crucial. That Biden is entirely dependent on his donors, including Jewish ones. Trump went to the Jews and told them he didn't want their money. That people like Adelson and Singer continued to donate to the conservative cause is not shocking to me. You want someone who gets no Jewish money at all and yet becomes president? Might as well call it a life.

 

[vancityeagle]

Of my roughly 4 decades on this earth, the person who was most like a true nationalist was Gaddafi.

This is a guy who spoke to the UN , calling all the nations of power hypocrites and frauds. He called the UN a joke and tore up the UN preamble in front of every nation on the earth.

A man who ran the African country with the highest living standards, and yes they had oil, but plenty of African countries are rich yet the leaders sell their souls to the "international order"

A man who financed revolutions all across the globe backing real nationalists, whether in Palestine, South Africa, or Ireland.

A man who fought to bring Africa away from the debt to foreign banks and dependence on the Neo imperialist powers.

What happens to a true nationalist ? Its not a pretty sight. You get abandoned by EVERYBODY.

The West and the Israelis hated him.

Russia and China abandoned him.

The Arab leage abandoned him.

Even Syria and Iran abandoned him.

Many African countries he helped abandoned him.

Thats what happens to a true nationalist.

You don't get backed by major media and have billionaire oligarchs funding you.

 

[vancityeagle]

I think you're forgetting something crucial. That Biden is entirely dependent on his donors, including Jewish ones. Trump went to the Jews and told them he didn't want their money. That people like Adelson and Singer continued to donate to the conservative cause is not shocking to me. You want someone who gets no Jewish money at all and yet becomes president? Might as well call it a life.

Trump isn't as rich as he claims to be.

He was bailed out by the Rothschild.

George Soros funded some of his building projects.

He is indebted to the Russian/Jewish mob.

Deutsche Bank is the only bank that will lend to him, and its basically one big money laundering operation for Russian/Jewish mobsters.

Trump saying "I dont want your money" was all bluster.

Trump is not an independent man, he is just as indebted to various interests, if not more than Biden is.

Trumps son in law ties him to Zionist interests. So does all of Trumps Russian and Chabad ties. Heck even before Kushner Trumps dad was already a zionist. He's in deep with this shit.

 

[vancityeagle]

@vancityeagle

You basically say that there's only controlled opposition, no genuine ones. Is that correct?

pretty much.

Here we're at a complete stalemate. Trump addresses one identity, the national one,

No his one identity is not "the national one" Far from it. He addresses the right wing, people who buy into his version of reality in the "culture war" He pushes white nationalism, division, hatred of half of the country, hatred of liberals which he calls "the radical left'. That is not addressing a national identity, its doing the exact opposite. He is in fact SPLITTING/DIVIDING the national identity into opposing factions which he wishes to engage a destructive conflict.

and every American who wants to be part of the American process. The "dividers" are those that hate that national (unifying) identity and instead emphasize as many minority identities as possible. <- Identity politics is what divides a nation, not nationalism.

The dividers are those telling their people that the other side want to "burn the country down" and that we need to "stop them". Calling others "unamerican" simply because they have legitimate criticisms. That is divide and conquer. Trump is the divider in chief. That is all he has done since stepping into the whitehouse. That in fact has been his greatest achievement.

Trump IS identity politics on steroids. "Build a wall" "keep them out" "Islam hates us" "They hate our country" "They are rapists and criminals"

If you cannot see this you are seriously a fool. Or just a disingenuous piece of shit.

Would you agree that Brexit is anti-globalist?

No it is not. It is just a power realignment and nothing more.

Taking the UK away from the EU and handing her over to Trump's USA and Russia.

Define nationalism.

working for the general interests of the people of a nation, and opposing negative outside influence.

Simply opposing outside influence isn't by itself "nationalist"

You could have a completely soverign nation that is an authoritarian police state serving the oligarchy. That wouldn't be nationalist.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Georgia: 3rd recount, 3rd Dominion server crash, 3rd time they need Dominion technicians to resolve the issue.

REPORT: Dominion Server Crash Delays Recount in Georgia’s Fulton County for THIRD TIME!

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise…. Election officials in Georgia’s Fulton County told a local news outlet Sunday that a newly purchased Dominion Voting Systems mobile server crashed that delayed …

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