The American “Coup d’etat”

justjess

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It's way past time to drop the inane accusations of almost everyone being 'chassidy'. You drag this tired distraction out anytime arguments get too challenging for you. Try something new.
And she just conveniently shows up right? Or someone makes an account pretending to be her? Whatever. You fools put your whole game plan in that email that was spammed about. It isn’t a secret anymore.

sorry @Artful Revealer but no, I’m not taking that bet. Choose a different one.
 

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I've put all significant progress on the software and servers in this thread. Do a "search this thread" - "posts by artful revealer" and you'll see it develop, starting with Russ Ramsland who analysed the software and shared the findings before election day. My opinion is coherent and backed up by solid information. Yours can only be described by now as either pure denial or lack of consideration.
We have paper ballot backups. Which they’ve now counted numerous times. The results align with the results from the software. This isn’t Venezuela. Why do you keep ignoring that we have the paper ballots to use to check this theory and the theory didn’t check?
 

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Your source for all that ?
The Georgia voting record

Even if true some of that is irrelevant, for instance felons are allowed to vote in Georgia.


So why is that statistic on the list ?
I would assume they were referring to felons who were still serving their sentences, or who were on parole. That would make sense. But I’ll tell you what, let’s remove the felons from the list. What about the minors? The voters who had moved from the state? The unverified absentee ballots? That’s a lot of illegal votes, isn’t it? Why should those not be a concern?

That would seem to indicate its just a list of meaningless shit meant to influence a person who does not have the ability or will to fact check.

Thats how social media propaganda works.
You mainly post unsourced crap, don’t you? What I posted, as I said, is taken from state voting records and other documents.
 
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We have paper ballot backups. Which they’ve now counted numerous times. The results align with the results from the software. This isn’t Venezuela. Why do you keep ignoring that we have the paper ballots to use to check this theory and the theory didn’t check?
Ignoring? I’ve answered your paper ballot backups argument twice already. Instead, why are you not supportive of a full signature-verifying audit or a risk-limit audit? Why not await the forensic results of the Dominion voting machines? Did you hear about the weighted race algorithm they’ve found in Arizona? Does that not concern you?
 
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lol, you mean the future you were thinking would lead to California giving its electoral votes to trump. That future is still up ahead?
Why not.

but in general, you troll and take advantage of honest conservation
You were ignoring honest conversation until you got baited. It worked. I regret nothing. And now everyone who has followed the thread knows about the 173k votes in Wayne County not tied to registered voters, which you didn’t think was a problem at all.

I won’t break a sweat taking anything you say seriously ever again.
I can only make peace with this if you pinky swear.
 

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The Georgia voting record



I would assume they were referring to felons who were still serving their sentences, or who were on parole. That would make sense. But I’ll tell you what, let’s remove the felons from the list. What about the minors? The voters who had moved from the state? The unverified absentee ballots? That’s a lot of illegal votes, isn’t it? Why should those not be a concern?



You mainly post unsourced crap, don’t you? What I posted, as I said, is taken from state voting records and other documents.
Do you have the actual Georgia voting record where I can see this myself. Tried googling got nothing. I am very curious how they made this list and determination and would like to look at the source.

the only official voter records I can find have a big disclaimer above before downloading that they are coded and you would need the persons voter registration number to match a voter with their voting record. I don’t see how someone would have all that information for every voter in the state of Georgia to be able to determine how old they are, their criminal history, where they live and when they moved etc.


If there is some other database I’d love to look at it.
 
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Ignoring? I’ve answered your paper ballot backups argument twice already. Instead, why are you not supportive of a full signature-verifying audit or a risk-limit audit? Why not await the forensic results of the Dominion voting machines? Did you hear about the weighted race algorithm they’ve found in Arizona? Does that not concern you?
I’ve said I was supportive of an audit and recount. They’ve done both. Nothing’s changed. And tbh no it doesn’t matter because your argument is that dominion is switching votes entered into its system - that would be evident on the paper ballots regardless of any signature. It isn’t. How do you explain that?
 
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I’ve said I was supportive of an audit and recount. They’ve done both.
They didn't do a risk-limit audit and they didn't verify signatures on absentee ballots. If you have fraudulent av ballots, a simple recount or re-scan without verifying signatures won't change a thing. In Georgia, they didn't even do a real recount, it was more a re-canvassing of the votes, in other words, a procedure to confirm the first results. And even then they found 4 "missed" batches of ballots / USB-stick uploads totalling about 6,000 votes and each batch was in favour of Trump. Imagine that. All irregularities, anomalies, software "glitches", late night / early morning ballot dumps, etc ... they all favoured Biden (up to 97%), but the 6k "missed" ballots were in favour of Trump. What are the odds.

To your other question: can you show me where the supposed recounts / audits compared the paper ballot backups with the tabulation totals? I have never seen that mentioned anywhere.
 
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Something's afoot. Team Trump is seizing control from American intelligence agencies (CIA mostly, it seems) by cutting out intermediary bureaucratic channels.

New Secretary of Defense Chris Miller:


Here too (starting 0:54), new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Ezra Cohen-Watnick is saying special ops is put directly under control of the government, referencing JFK in the process.


Knowing the beast never goes down quietly, this is likely going to be a bumpy ride. When Trump stays in office, expect the colour revolution to intensify. The CIA, Sorosites, Democrats, RINO's and Mockingbird media won't go down without a fight.
Another piece of the puzzle:

 

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They didn't do a risk-limit audit and they didn't verify signatures on absentee ballots. If you have fraudulent av ballots, a simple recount or re-scan without verifying signatures won't change a thing. In Georgia, they didn't even do a real recount, it was more a re-canvassing of the votes, in other words, a procedure to confirm the first results. And even then they found 4 "missed" batches of ballots / USB-stick uploads totalling about 6,000 votes and each batch was in favour of Trump. Imagine that. All irregularities, anomalies, software "glitches", late night / early morning ballot dumps, etc ... they all favoured Biden (up to 97%), but the 6k "missed" ballots were in favour of Trump. What are the odds.

To your other question: can you show me where the supposed recounts / audits compared the paper ballot backups with the tabulation totals? I have never seen that mentioned anywhere.

That’s what the whole hand recount thing was about art. The initial votes were tabulated by the machines. The recounts were tabulated by hand by counting the paper ballots (the ones the machines processed and supposedly flipped) manually.

Also: they did verify signatures. Prior to the ballots being opened and the votes being processed. They do it that way because voting is anonymous. Signature verification is the first step and it’s impossible to go back because the outer envelopes are destroyed after verification occurs.
 
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That’s what the whole hand recount thing was about art. The initial votes were tabulated by the machines. The recounts were tabulated by hand by counting the paper ballots (the ones the machines processed and supposedly flipped) manually.

Also: they did verify signatures. Prior to the ballots being opened and the votes being processed. They do it that way because voting is anonymous. Signature verification is the first step and it’s impossible to go back because the outer envelopes are destroyed after verification occurs.
Weak source.

This is the closest thing to a reply to my question:

Election officials caught the error during an internal audit, Nelson said. They corrected it during a full hand recount of paper ballots. A machine recount requested by Trump resulted in the same numbers as the hand recount, giving officials confidence in those results.

More of the same "mom asks the kids if they stole cookies from the cookie jar, they say no, therefore innocent".

There was no transparency in that recount, so they, the very people who's integrity is being questioned, can claim anything they want.

And there was no risk-limit audit, which is mandatory:

The state was obligated by law to perform a “risk-limiting audit”—a means of determining accuracy by counting a random sample chosen according to mathematical formulas. The technique has been tried in a small but growing number of states in recent years, and the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine concluded in a 2018 report that all states “should mandate risk-limiting audits.” But Raffensperger decided to forgo choosing a sample of ballots, insisting instead that counting all of the nearly 5 million ballots by hand, in less than a week, would be necessary to fulfill the obligation.
The latter received the imprimatur of the National Academies for a reason. For decades, many states have performed audits by hand-counting ballots in a fixed percentage of precincts. But a fixed percentage “may not provide adequate assurance with regard to the outcome of a close election,” according to the 2018 report. Risk-limiting audits, on the other hand, examine “randomly selected paper ballots until sufficient statistical assurance is obtained,” as the report’s authors wrote. The so-called risk limit refers to the largest possible chance that the audit will not correct an inaccurate result. For example, a 10 percent risk limit means an audit has a 90 percent chance of identifying the correct result of an election. The formulas underpinning the audit determine how many ballots will need to counted to reach that limit.

In the end, Georgia lawmakers decided to ignore most expert advice, and spent $107 million on a new computerized voting system, including voting machines that print out paper ballots—the object of this week’s count.


Philip Stark, inventor of the risk-limiting audits:

Steven Rosenfeld: You have some concerns about Georgia’s audit.
Philip Stark: There’s this term flying around called “risk-limiting audit.”​
SR: You created it. This exercise in Georgia is not that.
PS: People are defining it to suit their convenience. Let’s not worry about the terminology, but instead focus on what voters actually would like to have. I would claim that voters would like to have confidence that the reported winners really won. That’s what this is all about. And that the risk that they care about is the risk that an incorrect outcome will be certified.​
SR: Right, for all kinds of reasons.

PS: When I invented risk-limiting audits, that is the risk I was talking about, and that was the risk that was being limited [by this kind of audit]. And in order to do that, you need a trustworthy paper trail of votes. Among other things, even if can trust that every piece of paper accurately reflects what the voters said, they need to keep track of the paper and keep it secure. And a precursor to doing a statistical risk-limiting audit that you have a complete inventory of the paper, so that you can draw a random sample of the paper.​
SR: I understand. It’s not an easy thing to do. And Georgia didn’t do that.
PS. The way that Gabe [Sterling, the state’s elections operations manager] is being incredibly misleading about all of this is saying, ‘Look how great it was that we audited and we uncovered the fact that some batches of ballots were never scanned, and some memory cards [from ballot scanners with vote totals] were never uploaded and what not. All of that has nothing to do with the risk-limiting audit. That is all a precursor to starting a risk-limiting audit.​
SR: You’re saying that the lapses they found should have been found and fixed earlier.
PS: Yes. Those are all ballot accounting measures. They’re standard canvass activities. They’re reconciliation measures like checking the number of poll book signatures against the number of ballots, so that you have a separate physical count of the number of ballots against the reported tallies from the voting machines. That is all stuff you have to do before you start the audit.​
If you don’t have control over how many ballots there are, you would never notice if there were 100,000 ballots missing from the machine totals. Right? So, one fundamental flaw in what Georgia is doing is they’re relying on the voting system to tell them how many ballots there are, rather than relying on other procedures and cross checks to tell them how many ballots there are. Because some ballots were never scanned and some memory cards were never uploaded, the voting system doesn’t know about those ballots, and a random sampling based RLA would not have had any chance of selecting those ballots. The sample needs to be drawn from a comprehensive list of ballots, not just the ballots the voting system happens to have a record of.​
It’s clear that Georgia’s process has been anything but transparent. Observers have been kept away from the ability to actually verify the counts. Even observers with party credentials couldn’t verify that what’s being input to ARLO [the vendor’s counting software] accurately reflects those counts, or [examine] the inner workings of ARLO—which has had a number of changes in the course of this. ARLO was never designed for this kind of thing. They [Georgia] would have been better off using Google Sheets. They could have let the rest of the world watch in real time, with a read-only version to see as they enter the data. They could have given separate logins to everyone in the county election offices who were entering data, so that they can trace the edit history of any cell in the [overall vote counting] spreadsheet. Instead, they’ve got people sharing logins. They’ve got an opaque system that nobody can watch.​
Maybe this whole thing gives election officials more confidence that they got right answer [from the state’s new vote count scanners], but there’s no reason it should give the public more confidence that they got the right answer because too much of it [this audit] was done out of public view. First and foremost, the public has no reason to believe that election officials have accounted for every ballot–since we already have several examples where they didn’t.​
The other thing that Gabe kept saying is this [audit] is uncovering human errors in the count, not machine errors. We know that the scanner settings on the Dominion scanners erase voter marks [because lightly marked ballots are not read]. We know the majority vote-by-mail voters were Biden voters. I would expect their hand count to pick up [missed] votes and to get more votes for Biden than for Trump. And we’re not seeing any of that. There’s no reason to presume that it’s the people who are wrong and it’s the machines that are right.​

 
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