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^ The same person who was worried that the allegations of fraud were racist.
The American “Coup d’etat”
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Ehh whatever. Coming from the nazi I’m not really phased. It’s a term that many whom it applies to lovingly embrace.
got nothing to say about the actual substance of my post? What a shock.
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Chinese Professor Reveals Plot in Shock Video: US Elites and China Have Teamed Up to Take Control Of America
In the United States, the press, big tech, and Washington all collaborate to conceal how beholden all of them are to a rising Chinese superpower. But in China, very different norms prevail.
A remarkable speech by Chinese professor Di Dongsheng, delivered at a November 28 conference in Shanghai, reveals that in China, elites can talk openly about how they have brought foreigners under their sway.
Di is vice dean at Renmin University’s School of International Relations. He is also vice director and secretary of the Center for Foreign Strategic Studies in China, a think tank at Renmin. His ties with the Chinese establishment run deep. One well-placed Chinese source told Revolver that Di serves as an informal advisor at the highest levels of Chinese government, with a direct line to President Xi.
When standing before a friendly crowd of Chinese people, Di has few reservations in describing how U.S.-China relations work.
According to Di, the event initially fell through, because the bookstore’s owner was a former journalist who disliked the Chinese government. But that was no problem: An unnamed Western woman with long ties to China intervened with the owner and, according to Di, “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.”
The Politics and Prose event in question appears to be confirmed by journalist Jennifer Zhang in the following series of photos and tweets.
Di elaborates on the mysterious old woman who pulled strings to make the event happen: “Of course, the old lady was not in the Mafia, but who was she?” Di goes on. “As we just said, Wall Street. She is from a famous, leading global financial institution on Wall Street. She is the president of the Asia region of a top-level financial institution. Of course, it would be politically incorrect for me to go on.”
But go on Di does, laying out the exact manner that China so routinely smooths over differences with the West.
“In plain and simple language, during the last three to four decades we took advantage of America’s core circle,” he says. “Wall Street has had a very profound influence over America’s domestic and foreign affairs since the 1970s.”
The Trump administration was a brief hiccup in this system, Di said, because President Trump was not under the control of Wall Street or the Wall Street-aligned D.C. establishment. But with the election of Joe Biden, he said, business as usual could soon resume:
“Trump has been saying that Biden’s son has some sort of global foundation,” Di says. “Who helped him build the foundation? Got it?”
The crowd did get it, as chuckles rippled through the audience. In fact, watching the whole video makes it clear the audience found Di’s entire speech hilarious. To wealthy and connected Chinese, that’s America: A joke country whose elites are bought off by the rising Chinese superpower. Tucker Carlson covered the story with characteristic thoroughness and insight.
Tucker is correct here to emphasize the role of the American ruling class, particularly that of Wall Street, in facilitating China’s rise and ability to exploit America. Indeed, it would be easy to watch the video of the Chinese Professor and fume at the Chinese Communist Party for their nefarious influence operations in the United States. But that would be taking away the wrong point, or at least an incomplete one. The real scandal isn’t how wicked the Chinese are. They are just doing what the elites of any country should do — look out for the interests of their country and its people. America is rich and technologically advanced, but its ruling class is corrupt, degenerate, incompetent, dysfunctional, and all-too-eager to sell out yet another morsel of America for short-term financial gain.
From very early on in his presidential campaign, President Trump would always frame the Chinese threat in these terms. That is, he doesn’t blame China for doing what is best for the Chinese — he blames the stupid, weak, and corrupt leaders of the U.S. for letting them do it.
The problem with China, then, isn’t really a problem with China at all. It’s a problem with our own unworthy and illegitimate ruling class. It is not as though the American ruling class is patriotic, competent, and intelligent when it comes to most issues, but has some unique blindspot or weakness when it comes to China. If this were the case, it would make sense to emphasize the particular dangers of China in order to direct the hypothetically patriotic, intelligent, and functional energies of the American ruling class to this problem.
But this is not the case — that is, the American ruling class is not patriotic, competent and intelligent on most issues. Quite the contrary, on just about every issue that has mattered over the past several decades, the American ruling class has been stupid, corrupt, dysfunctional, and parasitic. If China disappeared, they would simply be selling the country out to India, or Saudi Arabia, or Vietnam, or some other rising country (and in fact, they are doing this already, just to a lesser extent). Our ruling class has failed us on China because they have failed us on everything. It follows that there will be no sound China policy that benefits actual Americans until there is a legitimate ruling class in the United States. For this reason, emphasizing the wickedness and danger of China will be less effective than emphasizing the utter failure and illegitimacy of the American ruling class.
The coronavirus is a perfect example. Perhaps China is at fault in many ways for the virus. But even assuming the virus was concocted in a Chinese lab at the direction of President Xi himself, we must remember that the Chinese didn’t force our media to lie about it and exaggerate its danger, nor did they force our American tech companies to censor all information and analysis of Covid not approved by our ruling class. The Chinese did not force the devastating and unnecessary lockdowns that have destroyed family wealth, shattered lives and dreams, and ruined New York, once one of the greatest cities in the world. Our own leaders did that to aggrandize and empower themselves, and no matter how defiantly we use the term “China virus” we should never forget that. Perhaps we would be better served to call it the “Bezos virus.”
Unfortunately, many of Trump’s would be imitators (such as Sec Pompeo) have not followed the President’s wise approach in framing the China problem principally in terms of the failure of our own ruling class. Instead, you hear morality tales about oppression of Uighurs, complaints that Chinese are “racists” that exploit third-world nations, and re-hashed Cold War rhetoric about the rise of an evil and dangerous opponent. Of course, many of these things are true, though the rhetoric is ultimately weak and performative. How many of these politicians would be serious enough to suggest the death penalty for any government official caught taking bribes from or doing the bidding of a foreign government? Even rhetorically, when conservatives point fingers at China in ways that reinforce left-wing narratives, this neither strengthens their political position nor the position of the United States relative to China in the long run in any serious way. Any framing of the China problem that does not look at the issue through the prism of an utterly degenerate, illegitimate, corrupt and dysfunctional American ruling-class is bound to fail.
Even if conservatives were to succeed in turning the US against China, how much of a victory would it really be to “triumph” only to have our own nation celebrate the chemical castration of children and shame men for being men and women for being women? What kind of victory is it if we train our children to hate their ancestors and the heroes who built this nation, and if we close churches but encourage savages to twerk on the embers of burned American flags? What kind of victory would allow our oligarchs, after hollowing out the American middle class, to perform a coup de grâce by indefinitely shutting down what is left of independent business, supposedly because of a virus whose average victim dies at an age older than the average life expectancy?
While China certainly played some role, we ultimately have our own ruling class to blame for the situation described above. The villain in the video featured at the beginning of this article is therefore not the Chinese professor, nor his bosses in Beijing. The villain is the Wall Street woman who did his bidding.
And so, while the video above is a reminder of the sinister intentions of our Chinese rivals, it is ultimately a reminder that our true enemies are no foreign adversary — the true enemies of the American people are the American ruling class.
In the United States, the press, big tech, and Washington all collaborate to conceal how beholden all of them are to a rising Chinese superpower. But in China, very different norms prevail.
A remarkable speech by Chinese professor Di Dongsheng, delivered at a November 28 conference in Shanghai, reveals that in China, elites can talk openly about how they have brought foreigners under their sway.
Di is vice dean at Renmin University’s School of International Relations. He is also vice director and secretary of the Center for Foreign Strategic Studies in China, a think tank at Renmin. His ties with the Chinese establishment run deep. One well-placed Chinese source told Revolver that Di serves as an informal advisor at the highest levels of Chinese government, with a direct line to President Xi.
When standing before a friendly crowd of Chinese people, Di has few reservations in describing how U.S.-China relations work.
Di then relates a brief anecdote to illustrate his point. Prior to a visit by Xi Jinping to the United States, Di scheduled an event at the distinguished D.C. bookstore Politics and Prose, focused on the English translation of Xi’s book The Governance of China.
According to Di, the event initially fell through, because the bookstore’s owner was a former journalist who disliked the Chinese government. But that was no problem: An unnamed Western woman with long ties to China intervened with the owner and, according to Di, “made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.”
The Politics and Prose event in question appears to be confirmed by journalist Jennifer Zhang in the following series of photos and tweets.
Di elaborates on the mysterious old woman who pulled strings to make the event happen: “Of course, the old lady was not in the Mafia, but who was she?” Di goes on. “As we just said, Wall Street. She is from a famous, leading global financial institution on Wall Street. She is the president of the Asia region of a top-level financial institution. Of course, it would be politically incorrect for me to go on.”
But go on Di does, laying out the exact manner that China so routinely smooths over differences with the West.
“In plain and simple language, during the last three to four decades we took advantage of America’s core circle,” he says. “Wall Street has had a very profound influence over America’s domestic and foreign affairs since the 1970s.”
The Trump administration was a brief hiccup in this system, Di said, because President Trump was not under the control of Wall Street or the Wall Street-aligned D.C. establishment. But with the election of Joe Biden, he said, business as usual could soon resume:
Di then drops the biggest bombshell of all by bringing up Hunter Biden. In America, Hunter’s ties to China and other foreign governments were actively suppressed by the press, which lied and dubbed it “misinformation.” But for Di, the links between Hunter and China were obvious, and something to joke about.
“Trump has been saying that Biden’s son has some sort of global foundation,” Di says. “Who helped him build the foundation? Got it?”
The crowd did get it, as chuckles rippled through the audience. In fact, watching the whole video makes it clear the audience found Di’s entire speech hilarious. To wealthy and connected Chinese, that’s America: A joke country whose elites are bought off by the rising Chinese superpower. Tucker Carlson covered the story with characteristic thoroughness and insight.
Tucker is correct here to emphasize the role of the American ruling class, particularly that of Wall Street, in facilitating China’s rise and ability to exploit America. Indeed, it would be easy to watch the video of the Chinese Professor and fume at the Chinese Communist Party for their nefarious influence operations in the United States. But that would be taking away the wrong point, or at least an incomplete one. The real scandal isn’t how wicked the Chinese are. They are just doing what the elites of any country should do — look out for the interests of their country and its people. America is rich and technologically advanced, but its ruling class is corrupt, degenerate, incompetent, dysfunctional, and all-too-eager to sell out yet another morsel of America for short-term financial gain.
From very early on in his presidential campaign, President Trump would always frame the Chinese threat in these terms. That is, he doesn’t blame China for doing what is best for the Chinese — he blames the stupid, weak, and corrupt leaders of the U.S. for letting them do it.
The problem with China, then, isn’t really a problem with China at all. It’s a problem with our own unworthy and illegitimate ruling class. It is not as though the American ruling class is patriotic, competent, and intelligent when it comes to most issues, but has some unique blindspot or weakness when it comes to China. If this were the case, it would make sense to emphasize the particular dangers of China in order to direct the hypothetically patriotic, intelligent, and functional energies of the American ruling class to this problem.
But this is not the case — that is, the American ruling class is not patriotic, competent and intelligent on most issues. Quite the contrary, on just about every issue that has mattered over the past several decades, the American ruling class has been stupid, corrupt, dysfunctional, and parasitic. If China disappeared, they would simply be selling the country out to India, or Saudi Arabia, or Vietnam, or some other rising country (and in fact, they are doing this already, just to a lesser extent). Our ruling class has failed us on China because they have failed us on everything. It follows that there will be no sound China policy that benefits actual Americans until there is a legitimate ruling class in the United States. For this reason, emphasizing the wickedness and danger of China will be less effective than emphasizing the utter failure and illegitimacy of the American ruling class.
The coronavirus is a perfect example. Perhaps China is at fault in many ways for the virus. But even assuming the virus was concocted in a Chinese lab at the direction of President Xi himself, we must remember that the Chinese didn’t force our media to lie about it and exaggerate its danger, nor did they force our American tech companies to censor all information and analysis of Covid not approved by our ruling class. The Chinese did not force the devastating and unnecessary lockdowns that have destroyed family wealth, shattered lives and dreams, and ruined New York, once one of the greatest cities in the world. Our own leaders did that to aggrandize and empower themselves, and no matter how defiantly we use the term “China virus” we should never forget that. Perhaps we would be better served to call it the “Bezos virus.”
Unfortunately, many of Trump’s would be imitators (such as Sec Pompeo) have not followed the President’s wise approach in framing the China problem principally in terms of the failure of our own ruling class. Instead, you hear morality tales about oppression of Uighurs, complaints that Chinese are “racists” that exploit third-world nations, and re-hashed Cold War rhetoric about the rise of an evil and dangerous opponent. Of course, many of these things are true, though the rhetoric is ultimately weak and performative. How many of these politicians would be serious enough to suggest the death penalty for any government official caught taking bribes from or doing the bidding of a foreign government? Even rhetorically, when conservatives point fingers at China in ways that reinforce left-wing narratives, this neither strengthens their political position nor the position of the United States relative to China in the long run in any serious way. Any framing of the China problem that does not look at the issue through the prism of an utterly degenerate, illegitimate, corrupt and dysfunctional American ruling-class is bound to fail.
Even if conservatives were to succeed in turning the US against China, how much of a victory would it really be to “triumph” only to have our own nation celebrate the chemical castration of children and shame men for being men and women for being women? What kind of victory is it if we train our children to hate their ancestors and the heroes who built this nation, and if we close churches but encourage savages to twerk on the embers of burned American flags? What kind of victory would allow our oligarchs, after hollowing out the American middle class, to perform a coup de grâce by indefinitely shutting down what is left of independent business, supposedly because of a virus whose average victim dies at an age older than the average life expectancy?
While China certainly played some role, we ultimately have our own ruling class to blame for the situation described above. The villain in the video featured at the beginning of this article is therefore not the Chinese professor, nor his bosses in Beijing. The villain is the Wall Street woman who did his bidding.
And so, while the video above is a reminder of the sinister intentions of our Chinese rivals, it is ultimately a reminder that our true enemies are no foreign adversary — the true enemies of the American people are the American ruling class.
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Your substance:
"Does it allege fraud?"
- No, it alleges violations of the US Constitution on 3 fronts: Electors Clause, Equal Protection Clause and Due Process.
"If there was evidence of fraud ..."
- The rejection by lower courts does not mean there's no evidence. Non-sequitur.
"One can assume they rejected fraud allegations because they do not exist."
- Assume truth based on (non-)argument from authority. Judges have not yet accepted fraud allegations, ergo no fraud, ergo, "I don't think for myself".
"Conveniently provided you the links ..."
- I and many others have conveniently provided you information and evidence of widespread irregularities and fraud.
"Disenfranchise millions of legal votes".
- ... in States who disenfrachised the actual legal voters by submitting hundreds of thousands of illegal votes. The only disenfranchisement of legal voters that happened was by the 4 defendants (and probably many more). If you're genuinely concerned by possible disenfranchisement of legal voters, you oughta be supporting full transparency and full signature-verifying audits.
"How is expansion of voting in PA unfair toward other states?"
- It is a problem if the expansions were unlawful and if there is unequal intrastate treatment between democrat-controlled or -dominant and republican-controlled or -dominant regions. Texas does not claim to have been disadvantaged rather than republican areas in the defendants' own states.
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@justjess If Texas is such a s***hole, why have tens of thousands moved here in the past 5 years alone? Why have major corps moved their HQs or significant portions of their operations here? Why do we have such a large GDP? Why have we been a major force in tech, finance, oil and gas? While some might embrace the term redneck, most would take offense to your other adjective.
Sorry your post hit a nerve as I have heard that kind of talk for years now. I like your additions to the forums here normally, but that type of response about other states is indicative of the divide and conquer TPTB use against us. We need to be strong and try to work together or we will all lose.
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Forget about Bannon, forget about Giuliani ..... I can’t measure how much either of them have sold out or what level of elitism they have achieved.
I’m concerned about the average citizen. Do we stand with the average citizen or the Luciferian state investigators.....? I believe that it is a proper dividing line. You are either for Seth Rich or those that took care of him. Rich was one of YOU. If you want to believe his death was an “accident” that’s on YOU....
Rich was not my boy, but I stand for him regardless! His parents are protecting his brother. What is your excuse? Why are you silent? Why do you buy the deep state Russia propaganda? Look in the mirror and ask who has been seduced. This election is a fraud. That is what made Seth respond. They can’t have it both ways. They can have Biden by that can’t hide the truth.
I’m concerned about the average citizen. Do we stand with the average citizen or the Luciferian state investigators.....? I believe that it is a proper dividing line. You are either for Seth Rich or those that took care of him. Rich was one of YOU. If you want to believe his death was an “accident” that’s on YOU....
Rich was not my boy, but I stand for him regardless! His parents are protecting his brother. What is your excuse? Why are you silent? Why do you buy the deep state Russia propaganda? Look in the mirror and ask who has been seduced. This election is a fraud. That is what made Seth respond. They can’t have it both ways. They can have Biden by that can’t hide the truth.
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As for Sydney Powell - she’s legit. She is dead on here.....
I don’t care what you think. Dispute her words or remain silent. Her reputation is solid, unless you buy into the mainstream lies. Yes, she’s a conspiracy theorist. Which means she is truth and reality-based. WATCH....
I don’t care what you think. Dispute her words or remain silent. Her reputation is solid, unless you buy into the mainstream lies. Yes, she’s a conspiracy theorist. Which means she is truth and reality-based. WATCH....
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LoL...., read the comments underneath, vid debunked. Bernie was robbed in 2016 - I know it and I can’t stand the guy. Your credibility is shot. They used at least 4 different methods to steal this election and you just have to focus on the most corrupt city/states to know where it went down.
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Turns out this tweet was misleading.
It’s only docketed in the system. Aye guys.
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Let me ask everyone. Why didn’t they simply postpone the election if they could not secure the vote? If they could not maintain the required constitutional and security standards, shouldn’t they have postponed this election? For the libs here, what do you believe should be the lowest acceptable security standard to maintain an honest and secure and Constitutional election free of suppression?
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China-China-China!!!
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Dude, follow the facts. If the facts are judged properly then I’m fine either way. But give it a fair hearing. I don’t trust any institution. I will always have low expectations - but we should always support transparency. And any efforts to achieve it.
Yeah well... I clearly remember when everyone here was a ok with corona virus wiping nyc and nj off the face of the earth with constant negative derogatory statements about the people who live in those places. And then the constant negative derogatory comments about anyone who isn’t a diehard conservative on this site daily. Why can everyone here dish it but never take it?
I apologize if my off the cuff remark offended you. I have friends and family that live in Texas and they are great people. I have rednecks that I love as well that live right around the corner from myself in Pa. but I do take exception to Texas trying to dictate how Pennsylvania holds their own election. And I do find many of the politicians from deep red states to be absolute shitheads.
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Everyone realizes that Biden officially has had enough electoral votes since California certified a couple of days ago right?
Georgia has been re-certified after a third recount. The ridiculous kraken has already been dismissed. The Supreme Court has rejected the case in Pennsylvania.
most of the stuff about the dominion software was the worst. I watched this video where this guy tries to assert that there is a repeatable pattern demonstrated in a voter log even though he doesn’t show how he found this pattern.
the pattern contradicts the claim from the kraken was that vote switching was undetectable too because the same pattern is used over and over again according to this guy. Personally, I think the guy is just pulling something out of his ass and most people just assume he must know what he is talking about because they don’t have any idea what he is talking about.
he is just showing this log where he is claiming there is a repeated pattern that works out to 3 in 46 in some cases even though he never shows how he came to this conclusion with the data. I question his math for one.
but the big one is that the video references Philadelphia and dominion wasn’t in Philadelphia. It is a wonder that all of the lawsuits claiming fraud have been thrown out with evidence like this that the average trump supporter is buying into.
apnews.com
wasn’t there supposed to be a server confiscated too? Funny how that didn’t make it into one of the fraud suits.
this whole thing is a pipe dream demonstrating that people have very poor research skills. The quality of content concerning this whole election is so poor. If you’re going to suggest election fraud, you might want to have stronger evidence. The Texas thing is really just more evidence that the case to try to get trump elected despite the fact that he didn’t get enough votes, has officially failed even though some people don’t seem to want to admit it.
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Georgia has been re-certified after a third recount. The ridiculous kraken has already been dismissed. The Supreme Court has rejected the case in Pennsylvania.
most of the stuff about the dominion software was the worst. I watched this video where this guy tries to assert that there is a repeatable pattern demonstrated in a voter log even though he doesn’t show how he found this pattern.
the pattern contradicts the claim from the kraken was that vote switching was undetectable too because the same pattern is used over and over again according to this guy. Personally, I think the guy is just pulling something out of his ass and most people just assume he must know what he is talking about because they don’t have any idea what he is talking about.
he is just showing this log where he is claiming there is a repeated pattern that works out to 3 in 46 in some cases even though he never shows how he came to this conclusion with the data. I question his math for one.
but the big one is that the video references Philadelphia and dominion wasn’t in Philadelphia. It is a wonder that all of the lawsuits claiming fraud have been thrown out with evidence like this that the average trump supporter is buying into.
Philadelphia does not use Dominion Voting Systems technology
A video claiming to be a “smoking gun” exposing Dominion’s election fraud in Philadelphia is easily debunked: Pennsylvania’s largest city doesn’t even use Dominion software in its elections.
apnews.com
wasn’t there supposed to be a server confiscated too? Funny how that didn’t make it into one of the fraud suits.
this whole thing is a pipe dream demonstrating that people have very poor research skills. The quality of content concerning this whole election is so poor. If you’re going to suggest election fraud, you might want to have stronger evidence. The Texas thing is really just more evidence that the case to try to get trump elected despite the fact that he didn’t get enough votes, has officially failed even though some people don’t seem to want to admit it.
KRAKEN: Dominion Transferring Vote Ratios between Precincts in PA - Geller Report News
WATCH THIS and man your battle-stations. It's about to get real.
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You can not by law postpone the inauguration so how would postponing the election help? You would have had even less time to go through all this nonsense and then Pelosi would have ended up President. Also it wasn’t about security concerns - it was about public health. Pushing further into the cold weather would have been a bad thing.
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1. It’s a pandemic - what emergency response applies and what doesn’t? Seems you are being selective.
2. So health concerns trump security concerns?
Why can’t we have both?
3.Answer my question.
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What facts?
You guys cannot let go that Trump lost. If any ...these disinfo pieces on twitter are hyping the hardcore Trump supporters up for failure.
There’s a point of being a conspiracy theorist. But there is line where delusion has set in and I’m not going that way.
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The texas lawsuit is not even officially in process. It’s docketed.
If you want to do research on this go on ahead. Texas AG Ken Paxton is actually being investigated himself by the FBI for fraud, abuse of power etc.
This “lawsuit” isn’t about overturning the election. It’s to get a pardon from Trump
Your question was if there were security concerns why wouldn’t they postpone the election. I answered it. The concerns were not of a security nature and you can’t postpone the Inauguration by law. What didn’t I answer?
i honestly don’t Understand the rest of what your trying to say here