The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

Yahda

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No money can buy you eternal life... but God's shed blood can.
Fortunately I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. I don’t really care what you think, who you worship, who your savior is...blah blah blah.....with that being said you can go back to your Christian brother’s and sisters and continue to argue over whether or not Jesus is God.

At this time I’m going to have to politely put you on ignore.
 

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Fortunately I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. I don’t really care what you think, who you worship, who your savior is...blah blah blah.....with that being said you can go back to your Christian brother’s and sisters and continue to argue over whether or not Jesus is God.

At this time I’m going to have to politely put you on ignore.
Christians have argued whether or not Jesus is God for about 2000 years.

But as the beloved of the Lord said... christians who deny that Jesus is God are antichrists.
 

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In Truth, what the Scriptures tell us is that anyone who denies the Father-Son relationship between Father (God, the "I AM") and His Firstborn Son (the Firstborn Son OF God) is antichrist. For someone to become a father they must have offspring. And a son is the offspring of their father, by definition.

1 John 2:22-23
2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that the Christ was incarnated in Jesus? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Anyone who believes that Jesus was God, when Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, told us hundreds of times He is NOT God, is calling Christ a liar. It doesn't get anymore anti-Christ than that.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.
 
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John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.




John is trying to explain who Jesus is in relation to God.

They are both God... but when the Word was born on earth as the Son then God became the Father.


We might think that God is one person only since we are one person only... but we're not.

Also we are made up of three... that is body soul and spirit.


Same with God.
 
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“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭KJVA‬‬
who's this talking about?

Why don't you tell us mate, or are you the Riddler and we're supposed to guess?
If it's an attempt to say Jesus was God, I can easily blow that notion out of the water by quoting many verses like this one proving Jesus was NOT God-
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )

so if you're calling Jesus a fibber your nanny will be furious.. :p

 

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Why don't you tell us mate, or are you the Riddler and we're supposed to guess?
If it's an attempt to say Jesus was God, I can easily blow that notion out of the water by quoting many verses like this one proving Jesus was NOT God-
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )

so if you're calling Jesus a fibber your nanny will be furious.. :p

I take it, you don't know who it's talking about.

Yes, the role of the Father is greater than the Son. The Son fully submitted to the Father's will. That's how God operated. What's the problem?

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, does that make the Holy Spirit not God?
 

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You think that one who is not a christian is ideally fit to give an unbiased answer to the question if Jesus is God? L0L

Not sure I know what you're saying mate; certainly atheists are very good at kicking the cultish clowns of organised religion so they've got my respect for that..:)
 

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Aaargh, another riddle, quick, somebody send for Batman and Robin..:)
Here's another one:
According to your logic, Jesus would be greater than the Holy Spirit, then what does that make him (Jesus)?
?
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Here's another one:
According to your logic, Jesus would be greater than the Holy Spirit, then what does that make him (Jesus)?

PLEASE PLEASE no more riddles..:)
But for a change let me give YOU a riddle-
When God said- "This is my beloved Son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)
Was God telling a fib?
Be careful, the naughty step..
 

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Fortunately I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. I don’t really care what you think, who you worship, who your savior is...blah blah blah.....with that being said you can go back to your Christian brother’s and sisters and continue to argue over whether or not Jesus is God.

At this time I’m going to have to politely put you on ignore.
"Fortunately, I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel" No, no you weren't. Matthew 15:24 YESHUA is the one saying he was sent for Israel. You are not a savior.
 

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PLEASE PLEASE no more riddles..:)
But for a change let me give YOU a riddle-
When God said- "This is my beloved Son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)
Was God telling a fib?
Be careful, the naughty step..
Tidal can't handle da truth
 

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"Fortunately, I was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel" No, no you weren't. Matthew 15:24 YESHUA is the one saying he was sent for Israel. You are not a savior.

I only said that I was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. I didn’t say anything about being a savior. Christians read way to much off into things. That’s how you get all confused with the word. Just go by what it said. Don’t assume, project, speculate......You are so caught up in the nonsense that I can’t bring to you simple messages from the words of The Most High God without you automatically assuming I’m trying to be a savior or offer up my blood for you....lol chill.
 

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John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.




John is trying to explain who Jesus is in relation to God.

They are both God... but when the Word was born on earth as the Son then God became the Father.


We might think that God is one person only since we are one person only... but we're not.

Also we are made up of three... that is body soul and spirit.


Same with God.
No, that's not what any of that is saying. That's what anti-Christ pagans who believe in the Babylonian nonsensical 3=1 idol promote.
 
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It's talking about Zion... the city of God.
Isaiah 60
“Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
2 See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
3 Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.

4 “Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the Lord.
7 All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.

8 “Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?
9 Surely the islands look to me;
in the lead are the ships of Tarshish,[a]
bringing your children from afar,
with their silver and gold,
to the honor of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.

10 “Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
11 Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined

Thats talking about the people of Israel....
 

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No, that's not what any of that is saying. That's what anti-Christ pagans who believe in the Babylonian nonsensical 3=1 idol promote.
Sigh also you are body soul and spirit.

So is God.


You are a walking talking trinity man clowning around about God not being Trinity too.L0L
 
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TokiEl

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Isaiah 60
“Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
2 See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
3 Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.

4 “Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the Lord.
7 All Kedar’s flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.

8 “Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?
9 Surely the islands look to me;
in the lead are the ships of Tarshish,[a]
bringing your children from afar,
with their silver and gold,
to the honor of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.

10 “Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
11 Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined

Thats talking about the people of Israel....
No it's not.

Isaiah 60 14 And they shall call you The City of the Lord, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
 

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Sigh also you are body soul and spirit.
Wrong. We are spirit-Beings (Souls) incarnating human-animal bodies, hence the designation human+Being. A soul and a spirit (Being) are two words that mean the same thing.

So is God.
Wrong. God is a Spirit-Being ONLY (John 4:24), Who is ALWAYS all-powerful, all-knowing and present everywhere all the time, which is why He plainly stated He is NOT a man (nor the son of man), and NEVER could be (Num. 23:19).

You are a walking talking trinity man clowning around about God not being Trinity too.L0L
Wrong. We are spirit-Beings (souls) temporarily incarnating these human bodies, just as Christ (the Spirit-Being Who is God's Firstborn Son - Col. 1:15) incarnated Jesus (the human son of the virgin body of Mary) 2000 years ago, becoming the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ. Exactly as it says in John 1:14.

You're the one clowning around, sighing and laughing while calling both Father (God) and Christ liars, which is anti-God, anti-Christ and not funny at all.
 
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TokiEl

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Wrong. We are spirit-Beings (Souls) incarnating human-animal bodies, hence the designation human+Being. A soul and a spirit (Being) are two words that mean the same thing.
You are a walking talking trinity composed of body soul and spirit clowning around about God not being Trinity too.
 
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No it's not.

Isaiah 60 14 And they shall call you The City of the Lord, Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
You sure you're not trying to hide something?

14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet"

Saying exactly what I said..And I dont say this just to mock but because floss kept going at me for whatever reason. Even though I thought we always had positive interactions on this board going back at least to the last version. But either way these are things the OT says and bringing out the NT doesnt overwrite the fate God said people would have who DO NOT BELIEVE(IN) HIM. Its your choice but the answer is right there in Isaiah 56...You'd have to drop your idol though....
 
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