The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[A Freeman]

The law is absolute. There is no annulling of the commandments.

So is our Covenant Promise to keep The Law Commandments.

 

[Lyfe]

So is our Covenant Promise to keep The Law Commandments.

Do you keep the law?

 

[KoncreteMind]

I don't identify as a Christian, as I said so many times but ignore it if you want, then. I am an Israelite, and when I said it's mainly Blacks, Mexicans, and Native Americans that would be saved, I said that because we're the main 3 that got colonized and conquered.

So, you're telling me I'm supposed to be stuck in the OT, and no longer repent to the son? Then you say the NT is for the gentiles? You're obviously confused. I replied to Lyfe that it is actually a fact that there are two groups of gentiles. The first group is the Nations God isn't concerned with because they aren't Israelites. The second group is for the Israelites AMONG the Nations due to slavery which means repentance is for the Israelites, which includes you since you claimed to be one. If the son died for you, why on earth would you repent to the father? You're supposed to worship the father and keep his laws while repenting to the son, and repenting to the son is not worship. I don't think you understand that.

You can't tell me what I've read and what I have not read. You cannot tell me at all. It's a fact that you're the one not able to comprehend anything about the NT and I'm not assuming YOU haven't read it, but I will assume you have not studied it.

Okay, if you want to continue thinking the son that died for our sake which is a very important thing you should acknowledge, is not important, then you can answer to him once he returns. I don't understand how you can doubt him when in Revelation, he's clearly coming back at the end, and just as you told Art Revealer that his kingdom, and the kingdoms of the world outside of Israel would be destroyed- guess who will be our king? YESHUA. The father is the head of the son, the son is the head of man, and man is the head of the woman.

I'll just leave you to figure this out on your own. Every time Freeman and I reply to you with the truth concerning the scriptures ESPECIALLY Freeman, you still doubt it and don't be mad if you turn out to be part of the 2/3 who won't make it, because that's what's going to happen if you don't repent to the son so you can move on to obey the father. It's a process. First repent to the son, and now that you've done that, move along and obey the father and abide by his laws. Not difficult to understand at all.

You identify as christian in beliefs whether or not you identify in it by name. And maybe messianic christian is a better term since you believe the Torah's still important but either way, thats your choice. But how you read God say "the one who sins against Me is the one who will be blotted out of My book" and still turn to Jesus dying in your place, idk. Makes no sense to me and never has. You say Jesus is the final sacrifice yet God told Ezekiel about a temple He would have Israel build for Him in the future where sacrifices would be offered. You say God "changed His mind" when God say He DOESNT change. See what Im getting at? Just like the christians you hold beliefs that go DIRECTLY AGAINST what God said Himself and when confronted with it you just duck...

At the end of the day, what God said will always be the foundation of my faith because thats what He said to do... You do you though. Im not scared of your Jesus because my ancestors didnt know him or care to know him.. Now the God of Israel? Attaching Jesus to Him and being wrong? Now thats a scary sight lol

 

[KoncreteMind]

@KoncreteMind

What about you? Do you keep the law?

Didnt James to DO the law not judge? Dont listen to him either?

 

[Lyfe]

Didnt James to DO the law not judge? Dont listen to him either?

I am not judging you. The law does that. i just asked you a simple question...

 

[KoncreteMind]

I am not judging you. The law does that.

The law is an inanimate object. It cant judge. If it could, then why was David still King after committing murder/adultery? Why does God speak highly of him throughout the OT if the law judges anyone? Heck, what do you have to say about David breaking the law yet still being accepted by God?

 

[Lyfe]

The law is an inanimate object. It cant judge. If it could, then why was David still King after committing murder/adultery? Why does God speak highly of him throughout the OT if the law judges anyone? Heck, what do you have to say about David breaking the law yet still being accepted by God?

Ok you answered my question. Thats all I asked...

 

[KoncreteMind]

Ok you answered my question. Thats all I asked...

Cool. Still waiting on you to answer this and stop ducking:

You mean the NT writers tried to write a story that "fulfilled prophecies" that werent even there. Example:

Hosea 11
1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. 2But the more they were called, the more they went away from me.[a] They sacrificed to the Baals and they burned incense to images.

Clearly not a prophecy but a statement of what had happened in the past. Yet the NT:

Matthew 2
14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, 15 where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Out of Egypt I called my son.”

 

[Lyfe]

Cool. Still waiting on you to answer this and stop ducking:

I dont remember you asking me that question. Was it directed at me?

The OT is a typology and foreshadow of the NT. That means the law and ot was never the reality, but rather the precursor or foreshadow that testified of the eventual reality and things to come. The sacrifices were a typology and foreshadow of the ultimate sacrifice, Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Christ was the reality. Israel as the firstborn was the shadow or typology of Christ.

 

[KoncreteMind]

I dont remember you asking me that question. Was it directed at me?



The OT is a typology and foreshadow of the NT. That means the law and ot was never the reality, but rather the precursor or foreshadow that testified of the eventual reality and things to come.

Yea I directed it to you in one of your threads. And yea you saw it lol

"The law and OT was never reality".. God didnt say that? Who are your sources? Oh wait:

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [an

d] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Heb 9:9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Heb 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them] until the time of reformation.
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Christ was the reality. Israel as the firstborn was the shadow or typology of Christ.

Colossians and Hebrews which is strictly man talking. Thats who you base your faith on. While in the OT, the people writing QUOTE GOD SPEAKING. And then you say God speaking isnt reality but your book full of men speaking, while not quoting Him AT ALL is lol. Tisk tisk tisk.. Take look at what the OT actually says. The God in it alleges (for those that dont believe) that He will come bring terror to those who dont believe in Him in the end times before bringing His people home. Hasnt happened yet so stay tuned I guess. But thats the clear difference if you cant tell. In the OT, the focus is the Most High. In the NT, its "Jesus".... And you cant serve two masters remember?

 

[Lyfe]

Yeah you reject the NT nothing is new...

 

[Yahda]

You identify as christian in beliefs whether or not you identify in it by name. And maybe messianic christian is a better term since you believe the Torah's still important but either way, thats your choice. But how you read God say "the one who sins against Me is the one who will be blotted out of My book" and still turn to Jesus dying in your place, idk. Makes no sense to me and never has. You say Jesus is the final sacrifice yet God told Ezekiel about a temple He would have Israel build for Him in the future where sacrifices would be offered. You say God "changed His mind" when God say He DOESNT change. See what Im getting at? Just like the christians you hold beliefs that go DIRECTLY AGAINST what God said Himself and when confronted with it you just duck...

At the end of the day, what God said will always be the foundation of my faith because thats what He said to do... You do you though. Im not scared of your Jesus because my ancestors didnt know him or care to know him.. Now the God of Israel? Attaching Jesus to Him and being wrong? Now thats a scary sight lol

Isaiah 51:4 Hearken/Listen unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken/Listen unto me, you who know righteousness

Psalms 81:13 If only My people would listen to Me, if Israel would follow My ways,


Psalm 78 Give ear, O my people, to my teaching; incline your ears TO THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH!!!!

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@LittleLady If only we would listen to what thus said the Lord. To which he spoke to the prophets of the OT. His notable quotation marks....that can not be found in the NT. He pleads with Israel to listen to Him.Some are to blind to realize that they are following the wrong god & message. Listen to your/our God.

 

[LittleLady]

Isaiah 51:4 Hearken/Listen unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken/Listen unto me, you who know righteousness

Psalms 81:13 If only My people would listen to Me, if Israel would follow My ways,


Psalm 78 Give ear, O my people, to my teaching; incline your ears TO THE WORDS OF MY MOUTH!!!!

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@LittleLady If only we would listen to what thus said the Lord. To which he spoke to the prophets of the OT. His notable quotation marks....that can not be found in the NT. He pleads with Israel to listen to Him.Some are to blind to realize that they are following the wrong god & message. Listen to your/our God.

And I am listening to God by trying my best to keep his laws, and worship him. But I can't do that unless I REPENT to the son first, which does not count as worshipping.

I'm just going to accept that you and Koncrete reject the NT and move on, because this is yet again getting repetitive.

 

[Lyfe]

Some of you here condemn others for not keeping the law when you yourselves dont even keep the law...

 

[Yahda]

And I am listening to God by trying my best to keep his laws, and worship him. But I can't do that unless I REPENT to the son first, which does not count as worshipping.

I'm just going to accept that you and Koncrete reject the NT and move on, because this is yet again getting repetitive.

Where did God say repent to a son ? Where did God say he had a son outside of Israel? I think I’m asking a fair enough question.

Ezekiel 18:21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

Isaiah 44:22 I have blotted out your transgressions like a cloud and your sins like mist; return to me, for I have redeemed you.


Ezekiel 14:6 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Repent and turn away from your idols, and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

So what do you mean repent to a son ? What sense does that make ? Realize YOU are the SON.

Anyway I digress . Suite yourself. If your idol is that important to you, and you choose to obey his voice over God so be it. That’s all on you! I’m not trying to convince you. I simply want you to open your eyes and ears to The Most High God.

Again I can’t say this enough. He never spoke a single word in the NT outside of one deceptive sentence. So basically as I said HE NEVER SPOKE A WORD.

So you need to ask yourself who are you following if those aren’t the words of God??

 

[floss]

And I am listening to God by trying my best to keep his laws, and worship him. But I can't do that unless I REPENT to the son first, which does not count as worshipping.

I'm just going to accept that you and Koncrete reject the NT and move on, because this is yet again getting repetitive.

So are they (koncreep n yahda) still your brother and sister at this moment? You realize they are trying to drag you to hell with them right?

 

[Tidal]

I simply want you to open your eyes and ears to The Most High God.
Again I can’t say this enough. He never spoke a single word in the NT outside of one deceptive sentence. So basically as I said HE NEVER SPOKE A WORD.

I'm not sure I understand what you're claiming mate, because every word Jesus spoke came from God didn't it?
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

 

[Yahda]

I'm not sure I understand what you're claiming mate, because every word Jesus spoke came from God didn't it?
Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49)

My answer to this question is kinda complicated. I’ll start by saying that @LittleLady assumes that I have totally dismissed the NT, and I have. However it’s the understanding and perspective that is off. It actually tells you and exposes everything you need to know.

Previously I alluded to the fact that some of Israel believe there to be two Jesus speaking in the NT. One that was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. A mere man and prophet. He spoke what thus said the Lord etc.....

There there is the one who was sent to everyone. He was placed in a womb, the bright morning star, the one who claim to be God, and the savior.......

This is why the NT is so confusing. Not only does it contradict the word of God. It contradicts itself.

 

[Tidal]

..the bright morning star, the one who claim to be God, and the savior.......
This is why the NT is so confusing..

What's confusing? Remember Jesus said plenty of times that he WASN'T God..
Examples-
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
Jesus said - "Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
God himself said - "This is my beloved Son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

 

[Yahda]

What's confusing? Remember Jesus said plenty of times that he WASN'T God..
Examples-
Jesus said - "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28 )
Jesus said -"Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
Jesus said - "Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
Jesus said - "I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
God himself said - "This is my beloved Son, listen to him" (Matt 17:5)

He said plenty of times that he was. I mean this is something that Christians debate among themselves every day all day with scripture ( check other OP’s for reference). You guys argue this so much that I don’t feel the need to get into it.

My point is that it’s things like this that make the NT confusing and contradictory.