The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise

[A Freeman]

Exodus 32
31 So Moses went back to the Lord and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”
33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

No man can die for your sins is what God says... Of course you dont believe Him because of your idol Jesus..

Why do you(?) feel the need to pick on a little girl, lying about what she has written? She just told you that she is striving to worship Father (God) rather than making a mockery of the Lamb of God by continuing in sin/breaking The Law.

Does that make you feel like a big man? Can you really not see that is your "self" trying to deceive YOU (the real you, the Soul/Spirit-Being within), and others, so it can keep itself inflated and in control of your(?) mind?

Are you really so spiritually blind that you can't see the consistent and repeated use of animal sacrifices throughout The Law, which were offered as an atonement for sin AND TO FORESHADOW FATHER OFFERING HIS UNBLEMISHED FIRSTBORN SON AS A SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS?

I go with David over you. David didnt have to repent to a "son" to be forgiven. Thats your idol that makes you do that. You have no part in what I worship when you follow Jesus...

You go with David? Who are you(?) trying to fool? Someone who goes with David would DO as David did, acknowledging Christ is his "Lord", just as Father is Christ's LORD (and THE LORD of us all). Why are you lying yet again? To elevate your "self" again perhaps?

Psalm 110:1 <A Psalm of David.> The "I AM" (THE LORD) said unto my Lord (Christ), Sit thou at My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Same as what Paul said, who at least understood that everyone should be striving to learn from Christ, The ONLY Teacher (Matt. 23:10), sent to teach all of us by thought, word and by His Example/Actions, how to be good, like God.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

You repent to creation and not the Creator. Thats idolatry 101...

Is that what she's actually doing though? Or is that what YOU are doing, having made an idol out of your "self"?

You do err, not knowing the Scriptures. TRUE REPENTANCE IS TO STOP SINNING/BREAKING THE LAW/BEING A HABITUAL CRIMINAL (1 John 3:4-10). There is no such thing as "repenting to the creation" because TRUE repentance necessarily is to our Creator, Who gave us His Perfect Law of Liberty to protect us from evil (sin) and to set and keep us FREE.

Its more that I dont care about what you're saying because you the fact that Israel was given a law that they had to stick to FOREVER. That means once the law was finished being given, THAT WAS IT. There was nothing to be added or taken away. Anybody that came after that had to be in line with law or it wasnt to be followed.

Fortunately for everyone, Father has given us every opportunity to come to our senses, by keeping His Own Law and sacrificing His Unblemished Firstborn Lamb to pay for our PAST SINS (Rom. 3:25). So no, after we were given The Law that was obviously NOT it, otherwise none of us would be here today. Why do you feel the need to lie so often?

We were not to add or take away from THE LAW, because The Law is PERFECT exactly as it is. When someone adds or takes away from something that is PERFECT, they wind up with something that is IMPERFECT, i.e. defective.

Instead of keeping our Covenant Promise to obey Father and His Law ONLY, we have done the opposite, inventing all of these satanic organized religions, with all of their made-up rules and regulations. And that's before mentioning the millions upon millions of pieces of man-made legislation that we've allowed, ALL of which is now being used against us, to oppress us and impoverish us, exactly as we were warned would happen IF we didn't keep The Law.

So when I say "Well Moses didnt follow Jesus" that means that if God wanted us to follow Jesus, it would have been in the law. Since it wasnt that means all Jesus is is a test to see if Israel will stick to god, or move to the new idol that recently appeared. You moved to the new idol so you will lose your birthright. And thats assuming you're even an Israelite because NO, Native Americans/Mexicans arent Israelites and "anyone" CANNOT be an Israelite. ..

John 5:42-47
5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?
5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.
5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[Yahda]

The name "David" is Hebrew, and in English means "well-beloved". Jesus, the "son of David" (a son descended from the line of David) was prophesied to be born in Bethlehem ("House of Bread").

The Hebrew name Emmanuel means "God with us".

So there is no flaw in the prophecies, only a flaw in people's understanding of those prophecies, caused by their own arrogance/ignorance (egos).

The Hebrew name for David is God is with us, and the Hebrew name for Zechariah is God remembers.

Jeremiah- God will rise.

Isaiah - God’s helper

Obadiah- Servant of God

and so forth.....

What is your point ??

As I have said many times before, Jesus and his identity theft is something criminal.

He’s David

The seed of David

God

The bright morning star- devil

Emmanuel

Michael

The son of God

Elijah

The son of Mary.....

It doesn’t make any sense the way his identity shape shifts. Who is this man not ??

 

[Artful Revealer]

The Hebrew name for David is God is with us, and the Hebrew name for Zechariah is God remembers.

Jeremiah- God will rise.

Isaiah - God’s helper

Obadiah- Servant of God

and so forth.....

What is your point ??

As I have said many times before, Jesus and his identity theft is something criminal.

He’s David

The seed of David

God

The bright morning star- devil

Emmanuel

Michael

The son of God

Elijah

The son of Mary.....

It doesn’t make any sense the way his identity shape shifts. Who is this man not ??

Emmanuel means "God is with us". David means "beloved".

 

[Lisa]

Huh? Why on earth would Jesus care about the Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters?..

‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.‭‭

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. | New American Standard Bible (NASB) | Download The Bible App Now

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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[A Freeman]

The Hebrew name for David is God is with us, and the Hebrew name for Zechariah is God remembers.

Did you mean the Hebrew name "Emmanuel/Immanuel" means "God with us" in English? Because David is Hebrew for "Beloved", or "Well-Beloved".

Jeremiah- God will rise.

Isaiah - God’s helper

Obadiah- Servant of God

and so forth.....

What is your point ??

You alleged there was a supposed flaw in the prophecy, because David was to be King (after his death). The reason for this misconception is partially due to the name David having been left in some verses instead of being translated into English.

An example:

Ezekiel 34:1-10, 23
34:1 And the Word of the "I AM" came unto me, saying,
34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord "I AM" unto the Levites; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
34:3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed [the Prophets]: [but] ye feed not the flock.
34:4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
34:5 And they were scattered, because [there is] no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, My flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek [after them].
34:7 Therefore, ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:8 [As] I live, saith the Lord "I AM", surely because My flock became a prey, and My flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did My shepherds search for My flock, but the Levites fed themselves, and fed not My flock;
34:9 Therefore, O ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:10 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

34:23 And I will set up One shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] My "Well-Beloved" (NOT "David") servant; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

This (verse 23 above) obviously could not be talking about king David, who had already been dead several hundred years by the time this was written. This is speaking of Christ, and the Levitical priesthood being reduced from many down to one High-Priest forever (Heb. 6:20).

As I have said many times before, Jesus and his identity theft is something criminal.

Since when is it a crime to have more than one name and to hold several titles?

He’s David

Nope. Only the Son (descendant) of David, and the successor of David.

The seed of David

Yep. Jesus was descended from David.

God

Nope. Jesus NEVER claimed to be God (Father).

The bright morning star- devil

Yes, Christ is the Bright and Morning Star (Venus/Heaven), which is His Home, and where He is the Great Prince.

Lucifer was an inhabitant of the Morning Star (as were all of us), until he became Satan/the devil (liar) staged his coup attempt - Isa. 14:12-17), and was defeated (Rev. 12:7-9), at which time he was cast to the Earth, along with his angels (those who fought with Satan against God and His Christ).

Emmanuel

Another descriptive term for Christ, Whom God SENT.

Michael

That's Christ's Name in Heaven.

The son of God

Christ is the IMMORTAL Firstborn Son of God (a Spirit-Being). Jesus is the MORTAL firstborn human son of the virgin body of Mary.

When Christ INCARNATED the body of Jesus 2000 years ago, they became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ, both of which are titles rather than names.

Jesus is a title which means "Saviour".
Christ is a tile which means "the Anointed One".

Elijah

One of Christ's previous incarnations. And also the name He will use during His Second Coming.

The son of Mary.....

Yep.

It doesn’t make any sense the way his identity shape shifts. Who is this man not ??

As above please. It makes perfect sense once one understands that each of us are spirit-Beings that are temporarily incarnating human animal bodies.

Genesis 2:7 And the "I AM" God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became alive and was given a soul [spirit Being] (becoming a human+being).

 

[Tidal]

‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.‭‭
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Yeah but anybody who rejects Jesus DOESN'T CARE that he died for them, so on judgement day it follows that he won't care for them, they had their chance.
Jesus spells it out for all rejecters regardless of whether they're jews or not-

 

[Lisa]

Yeah but anybody who rejects Jesus DOESN'T CARE that he died for them, so on judgement day it follows that he won't care for them, they had their chance.
Jesus spells it out for all rejecters regardless of whether they're jews or not-

Romans 11 is going to tell you all you need to know about God and His chosen people..the Jews...but this is it in a nutshell..

Romans‬ ‭11:1, 29‬ ‭
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be!

for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Romans 11:1,29 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. | New American Standard Bible (NASB) | Download The Bible App Now

I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

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[shankara]

What did Jesus say that you don't like?

Nothing, it's how Christians interpret it. Like this whole business that you get one life and if you don't accept thinking the way they think about things you suffer for an eternity. What could a human being do to merit suffering for eternity? They would have to do infinite evil, which isn't even possible for a finite being. Of course you have this whole wierd concept of "the law" which "has to be imposed" because apparently it is "justice", and under which we are all condemned for someone once having eaten an apple, but really that's a rather shallow excuse for a philosophy and a source of unnecessary fear for a lot of people. Which, by the way, serves a purpose of social control for certain forces which want humanity to placidly accept oppression.

 

[KoncreteMind]

Yes and all of those promises are contingent on faith as I showed you. You want me to address one paragraph in the Bible without talking about the next one? Lol good try.

Who said Gods blessings wasn’t contingent on faith? When did I say or suggest that Israelites, whether they had faith or not, would be accepted by God?

You said it was racist or wrong to say God has a chosen people. Yet Deut 7:6 says different.Yet instead of addressing what God said, which you originally said was wrong, you try to change the argument to something else. It’s like pulling teeth to get you to address scripture

 

[Lyfe]

Nothing, it's how Christians interpret it. Like this whole business that you get one life and if you don't accept thinking the way they think about things you suffer for an eternity. What could a human being do to merit suffering for eternity? They would have to do infinite evil, which isn't even possible for a finite being. Of course you have this whole wierd concept of "the law" which "has to be imposed" because apparently it is "justice", and under which we are all condemned for someone once having eaten an apple, but really that's a rather shallow excuse for a philosophy and a source of unnecessary fear for a lot of people. Which, by the way, serves a purpose of social control for certain forces which want humanity to placidly accept oppression.

Its not relevant how we feel about something. What matters is whether or not such things are true. One can hate and fight a reality, but it doesnt make said reality any less of a reality. If humans could change reality to be more accomodating to themselves they would, but they cant.

God has a moral law and we all have violated it. We need Christ... There is no other way for it to be interpreted in scripture.

 

[shankara]

Its not relevant how we feel about something. What matters is whether or not such things are true. One can hate and fight a reality, but it doesnt make said reality any less of a reality. If humans could change reality to be more accomodating to themselves they would, but they cant.

God has a moral law and we all have violated it. We need Christ... There is no other way for it to be interpreted in scripture.

Yeah I'm quite comfortable in the knowledge, brought about by reason, that the Christian narrative is untrue. I'm not fighting it, not losing any sleep worrying if I will end up in eternal hell.

 

[lightseeker]

Who said Gods blessings wasn’t contingent on faith? When did I say or suggest that Israelites, whether they had faith or not, would be accepted by God?

You said it was racist or wrong to say God has a chosen people. Yet Deut 7:6 says different.Yet instead of addressing what God said, which you originally said was wrong, you try to change the argument to something else. It’s like pulling teeth to get you to address scripture

I have addressed scripture in my last two posts to you. It was the sentences after the one you are narrowly focused on, which shows the broader context and spiritual meaning of that single sentence. It said that even if one is from the Jew tribe and does not love God, God will destroy them. So the value of being from that tribe is meaningless. What has meaning is faith.
The context is that they were the only tribe to worship the one God. After the messiah came and the rest of the world worshipped that God, they became part of the promise

I feel like we are going to go baxk and forth, you saying what you’ve said about that one sentence for the last 3 posts, and me responding with the next two sentences showingthe context, for a long time, so feel free to just leave it if you have nothing new to add

 

[Lyfe]

Yeah I'm quite comfortable in the knowledge, brought about by reason, that the Christian narrative is untrue. I'm not fighting it, not losing any sleep worrying if I will end up in eternal hell.

...and what is this confidence based off? Lets consider the odds from a probability standpoint.

The two major world religions are Christianity and Islam. Judaism obviously deserves recognition, but is minor in comparison to the other two.

Islam teaches that all unbelievers will be judged by God and will be chastised for their sin in hell
Christianity also teaches that there will be a judgment and everyone who is not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire
Judaism teaches that YHWH will judge the nations and that his wrath is against those who do not keep Torah

Based off of these three predominate belief systems you will eventually pay a consequence for your sin. What are the odds that all three of these beliefs are wrong and what chances do you have from a probability perspective? You could rule out Christianity, but what about Judaism and Islam? What are the odds that all three contain a false narrative of reality?

Now lets consider all the other cultures that believed and held the idea of an afterlife of torment. The Greeks believed in a place called Hades. Zoroastrianism speaks of an afterlife of torment if ones evil deeds outweigh the good. Buddism and Hinduism being less predominant teach of a concept of the afterlife where one endures a form of chastisement(though not as severe) for ignorance.

The question you have to ask yourself is based off of all these belief systems what are the odds and probability that at the very least the three predominant ones which condemn you are ALL wrong? The three primary world religions condemn you and that's only three. If I looked at this from an objective standpoint I would conclude there is a very real chance one of the three accounts of creation and the creator may condemn me as what are the chances they are all wrong? Even if there was a 33% chance of one of the three accounts being right, that is still a significant gamble with my soul as there remains a possibility of hell. Now I ask again what is your confidence based off of and does that confidence still remain when you consider scientific evidence and cultures with history that speak of a worldwide flood, the genesis 6 giants roaming the earth, and extra historical accounts of Jesus Christ?

Have you really weighed the evidence and odds objectively?

 

[Yahda]

Did you mean the Hebrew name "Emmanuel/Immanuel" means "God with us" in English? Because David is Hebrew for "Beloved", or "Well-Beloved".


You alleged there was a supposed flaw in the prophecy, because David was to be King (after his death). The reason for this misconception is partially due to the name David having been left in some verses instead of being translated into English.

An example:

Ezekiel 34:1-10, 23
34:1 And the Word of the "I AM" came unto me, saying,
34:2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord "I AM" unto the Levites; Woe [be] to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
34:3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed [the Prophets]: [but] ye feed not the flock.
34:4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up [that which was] broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
34:5 And they were scattered, because [there is] no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, My flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek [after them].
34:7 Therefore, ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:8 [As] I live, saith the Lord "I AM", surely because My flock became a prey, and My flock became meat to every beast of the field, because [there was] no shepherd, neither did My shepherds search for My flock, but the Levites fed themselves, and fed not My flock;
34:9 Therefore, O ye Levites, hear the Word of the "I AM";
34:10 Thus saith the Lord "I AM"; Behold, I [am] against the shepherds; and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

34:23 And I will set up One shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, [even] My "Well-Beloved" (NOT "David") servant; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

This (verse 23 above) obviously could not be talking about king David, who had already been dead several hundred years by the time this was written. This is speaking of Christ, and the Levitical priesthood being reduced from many down to one High-Priest forever (Heb. 6:20).


Since when is it a crime to have more than one name and to hold several titles?


Nope. Only the Son (descendant) of David, and the successor of David.


Yep. Jesus was descended from David.


Nope. Jesus NEVER claimed to be God (Father).


Yes, Christ is the Bright and Morning Star (Venus/Heaven), which is His Home, and where He is the Great Prince.

Lucifer was an inhabitant of the Morning Star (as were all of us), until he became Satan/the devil (liar) staged his coup attempt - Isa. 14:12-17), and was defeated (Rev. 12:7-9), at which time he was cast to the Earth, along with his angels (those who fought with Satan against God and His Christ).


Another descriptive term for Christ, Whom God SENT.


That's Christ's Name in Heaven.


Christ is the IMMORTAL Firstborn Son of God (a Spirit-Being). Jesus is the MORTAL firstborn human son of the virgin body of Mary.

When Christ INCARNATED the body of Jesus 2000 years ago, they became the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ, both of which are titles rather than names.

Jesus is a title which means "Saviour".
Christ is a tile which means "the Anointed One".


One of Christ's previous incarnations. And also the name He will use during His Second Coming.


Yep.


As above please. It makes perfect sense once one understands that each of us are spirit-Beings that are temporarily incarnating human animal bodies.

Genesis 2:7 And the "I AM" God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became alive and was given a soul [spirit Being] (becoming a human+being).

One problem with that theory.

The promise God made to His beloved and anointed one David is that he would raise up a seed from his BOWEL.

“And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.”

Where did Jesus come from ? Is he God ? Was he there in the beginning? Was he immaculate conceived.....? Either way he does not fit the prophecy.

Hell, not even google, Alexa or Siri knows who, what, why, or where Jesus came from. Even they said he was fictional, or they never knew him....lol, but seriously all jokes aside....It’s a fact that Jesus did not come from the bowel of David.

Even the genealogy in the NT is questionable and has to be explained by scholars as with most of that book.

Anyway the point is, you can’t claim as Christians do, that he was there in the beginning, no he is God, no he was immaculate conceived....either way according to your own doctrine he did not come from the bowel of David as prophesied.

 

[shankara]

...and what is this confidence based off? Lets consider the odds from a probability standpoint.

The two major world religions are Christianity and Islam. Judaism obviously deserves recognition, but is minor in comparison to the other two.

Islam teaches that all unbelievers will be judged by God and will be chastised for their sin in hell
Christianity also teaches that there will be a judgment and everyone who is not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire
Judaism teaches that YHWH will judge the nations and that his wrath is against those who do not keep Torah

Based off of these three predominate belief systems you will eventually pay a consequence for your sin. What are the odds that all three of these beliefs are wrong and what chances do you have from a probability perspective? You could rule out Christianity, but what about Judaism and Islam? What are the odds that all three contain a false narrative of reality?

Now lets consider all the other cultures that believed and held the idea of an afterlife of torment. The Greeks believed in a place called Hades. Zoroastrianism speaks of an afterlife of torment if ones evil deeds outweigh the good. Buddism and Hinduism being less predominant teach of a concept of the afterlife where one endures a form of chastisement(though not as severe) for ignorance.

The question you have to ask yourself is based off of all these belief systems what are the odds and probability that at the very least the three predominant ones which condemn you are ALL wrong? The three primary world religions condemn you and that's only three. If I looked at this from an objective standpoint I would conclude there is a very real chance one of the three accounts of creation and the creator may condemn me as what are the chances they are all wrong? Even if there was a 33% chance of one of the three accounts being right, that is still a significant gamble with my soul as there remains a possibility of hell. Now I ask again what is your confidence based off of and does that confidence still remain when you consider scientific evidence and cultures with history that speak of a worldwide flood, the genesis 6 giants roaming the earth, and extra historical accounts of Jesus Christ?

Have you really weighed the evidence and odds objectively?

It doesn't matter what the majority of people believe, the masses believe all kinds of illogical and superstitious things. I'm not against the notion of hell realms, that isn't what bothers me, it's the notion of an eternity of suffering that is problematic. It's not possible for a finite being to commit infinite evil, and an eternity of suffering is infinite suffering. Judaism, by the way, doesn't really have such a concept, there is "Gehenna" but this isn't eternal.

The second point is that I basically reject any attempt to make people believe or think a certain way, especially out of fear. People are all on their own journeys, no religion is entirely wrong and they all have a piece of the puzzle, trying to make people accept some certain tenet system can in fact stifle the person's growth, force them in a direction which isn't natural to them or the most suitable way for them to develop spiritually.

Something I recently quoted from the Dalai Lama in "Favourite Non-Abrahamic Scripture Quotes" pretty much sums it up for me, in fact it's the reason I started practising Buddhism again as it reflected something I've been thinking for a long time. This is just a part of the quote, but it's perhaps the pith of it: 'The only “definitive truth” for Buddhism is the absolute negation of any one truth as the Definitive Truth.'

There is also the Heart Sutra, probably the most important important text in Mahayana Buddhism, again just a small part of it:

"So know that the Bodhisattva
Holding to nothing whatever
But dwelling in Prajna wisdom
Is freed from delusive hindrance
Rid of the fear bred by it
And reaches clearest Nirvana"

Because fear is always destructive, I think.

Anyway, I encourage you to continue practising the ethical and devotional (or meditative) aspects of your religion, and I'm sure it is useful somehow for you. I will continue to question the irrational aspects of your tenets, and to disagree with generating fear in people through the threat of eternal punishment.

 

[Lyfe]

It doesn't matter what the majority of people believe, the masses believe all kinds of illogical and superstitious things. I'm not against the notion of hell realms, that isn't what bothers me, it's the notion of an eternity of suffering that is problematic. It's not possible for a finite being to commit infinite evil, and an eternity of suffering is infinite suffering. Judaism, by the way, doesn't really have such a concept, there is "Gehenna" but this isn't eternal.

The second point is that I basically reject any attempt to make people believe or think a certain way, especially out of fear. People are all on their own journeys, no religion is entirely wrong and they all have a piece of the puzzle, trying to make people accept some certain tenet system can in fact stifle the person's growth, force them in a direction which isn't natural to them or the most suitable way for them to develop spiritually.

Something I recently quoted from the Dalai Lama in "Favourite Non-Abrahamic Scripture Quotes" pretty much sums it up for me, in fact it's the reason I started practising Buddhism again as it reflected something I've been thinking for a long time. This is just a part of the quote, but it's perhaps the pith of it: 'The only “definitive truth” for Buddhism is the absolute negation of any one truth as the Definitive Truth.'

There is also the Heart Sutra, probably the most important important text in Mahayana Buddhism, again just a small part of it:

"So know that the Bodhisattva
Holding to nothing whatever
But dwelling in Prajna wisdom
Is freed from delusive hindrance
Rid of the fear bred by it
And reaches clearest Nirvana"

Because fear is always destructive, I think.

Anyway, I encourage you to continue practising the ethical and devotional (or meditative) aspects of your religion, and I'm sure it is useful somehow for you. I will continue to question the irrational aspects of your tenets, and to disagree with generating fear in people through the threat of eternal punishment.

Just because you reject the idea of something doesnt mean its not real. The dillema that you are faced with is that you need to be right otherwise you will suffer the consequences promised by various other accounts of the creator and creation. The eternal safety of soul is wholly dependant on your personal subjective assesment needing to being right whether you agree with that or not. You need to be right, because being wrong ends in irreversible disaster yet the odds are with all the various other beliefs suggest there is a slim chance of you have made the right choice. Its not a matter of picking and choosing. Its a matter of needing to be right. Your confident you wont go to hell yet various beliefs contend you will as an absolute truth of revealed reality. All three of the major beliefs state that there is no hope for you. What are the chances all three are wong? Im merely pointing out from an odds and probability perspective the chances of you going to hell are more real and threatening if u combine all three together... Your absolute confidence becomes questionable in light of this from a probability stanspoint. Simply put you have to be right...

 

[LittleLady]

Exodus 32
31 So Moses went back to the Lord and said, “Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”
33 The Lord replied to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

No man can die for your sins is what God says... Of course you dont believe Him because of your idol Jesus..



I go with David over you. David didnt have to repent to a "son" to be forgiven. Thats your idol that makes you do that. You have no part in what I worship when you follow Jesus...



You repent to creation and not the Creator. Thats idolatry 101...



Its more that I dont care about what you're saying because you the fact that Israel was given a law that they had to stick to FOREVER. That means once the law was finished being given, THAT WAS IT. There was nothing to be added or taken away. Anybody that came after that had to be in line with law or it wasnt to be followed.

So when I say "Well Moses didnt follow Jesus" that means that if God wanted us to follow Jesus, it would have been in the law. Since it wasnt that means all Jesus is is a test to see if Israel will stick to god, or move to the new idol that recently appeared. You moved to the new idol so you will lose your birthright. And thats assuming you're even an Israelite because NO, Native Americans/Mexicans arent Israelites and "anyone" CANNOT be an Israelite. ..

You are literally not with the father because you never repented. God sent his SON SO WE CAN REPENT TO HIM AND THEN GO TO THE FATHER! So that is not idolatry, I am not worshipping the son, but rather repenting, as God says, so that I can move and get to HIM.

Every disciple you're mentioning is from the OT so if you keep mentioning them, then whatever point you're trying to prove is already invalid because they were alive before the son. Have you ever heard of "Changing your mind"? That's what God did for his people in the NT when he decided to bring down his son to die for their sake, so now instead of sacrificing animals and whatever else you had to do whenever you broke his laws, you can repent to the son and then go to the father and continue worshipping him.

I think you're stuck in the OT. So whenever YOU sin, do you sacrifice an animal or smthn? What do you do? I want to know. If you say you repent to the father, that's reserved for the son- okay, you're stuck in the OT when really, you're supposed to be studying the entire Bible. I'll just accept that you, as of now, and hopefully not in the future, can't see the truth in front of you.

 

[KoncreteMind]

I have addressed scripture in my last two posts to you. It was the sentences after the one you are narrowly focused on, which shows the broader context and spiritual meaning of that single sentence. It said that even if one is from the Jew tribe and does not love God, God will destroy them. So the value of being from that tribe is meaningless. What has meaning is faith.

The context is that they were the only tribe to worship the one God. After the messiah came and the rest of the world worshipped that God, they became part of the promise

I feel like we are going to go baxk and forth, you saying what you’ve said about that one sentence for the last 3 posts, and me responding with the next two sentences showingthe context, for a long time, so feel free to just leave it if you have nothing new to add

Nothing new because Im still waiting on you to explain how God doesnt have a CHOSEN people when thats what He says in Deut 7:6. Since no one said Israel gets blessed whether or not they have faith, its a correct, but irrelevant point. Of course they have to have faith to reap the blessings that the Most High has for them. That should be a given.

That doesnt change that you said it was wrong to say the Most High has a chosen people. And running to the NT to prove He doesnt, doesnt change what He said in the OT. So if you dont want to address your statement in opposition to Deut 7:6 (not the correct but IRRELEVANT point that faith is needed) then theres nothing else to say. Because at the end of the day, what he said was that He would come back for Israel in everywhere HE SCATTERED THEM to where they would live with Him FOREVER in the land He promised to their ancestors while ruling over ALL nations.. I believe Him, you dont.

 

[KoncreteMind]

You are literally not with the father because you never repented.

No I dont repent to the idol you do. I repent to the same Entity my ancestors did which is the Most High. Try it sometime...

God sent his SON SO WE CAN REPENT TO HIM AND THEN GO TO THE FATHER! So that is not idolatry, I am not worshipping the son, but rather repenting, as God says, so that I can move and get to HIM.

You dont understand that you're supposed to follow the same way given to your ancestors thru Moses. Then again, you said Mexicans, Native Americans, ANYONE can be an Israelite lol.. Just stick to christianity. You cant mix that and the Hebrew way of life and be saved...

Every disciple you're mentioning is from the OT so if you keep mentioning them, then whatever point you're trying to prove is already invalid because they were alive before the son. Have you ever heard of "Changing your mind"? That's what God did for his people in the NT when he decided to bring down his son to die for their sake, so now instead of sacrificing animals and whatever else you had to do whenever you broke his laws, you can repent to the son and then go to the father and continue worshipping him.

Have you ever heard that "God doesnt change"? Why would He give the law as a WITNESS against Israel then change up everything? It makes no sense. The law is the measuring stick against truth and lie. And the law doesnt allow for a "son of God" who we "repent to"..

And instead of sacrificing animals? If thats the case then why did God, in the last 8 books of Ezekiel say that Israel would sacrifice to Him AGAIN and explained to them how they should do it? If He was going to send a "final sacrifice" in His "son", why would He have Ezekiel write down that there will be a temple again, where HE WILL BE, and where ISraelites would offer BLOOD sacrifices to Him again? Like I said, you havent read the bible for yourself. Your sister put you on and thats a blessing. We all start somewhere, but continue pushing.

I think you're stuck in the OT. So whenever YOU sin, do you sacrifice an animal or smthn? What do you do? I want to know. If you say you repent to the father, that's reserved for the son- okay, you're stuck in the OT when really, you're supposed to be studying the entire Bible. I'll just accept that you, as of now, and hopefully not in the future, can't see the truth in front of you.

*yawns* same basic christian questions that could be answered had you read the bible for yourself. You can only sacrifice in places God chooses, not whereever we decide. So if He hasnt given us a place to offer sacrifices, then no sacrifice can be offered...

You're supposed to be stuck in the OT. The NT is from the gentiles lol. Hopefully you get there one day because I have been where you are, but you havent been where I am...

 

[lightseeker]

Nothing new because Im still waiting on you to explain how God doesnt have a CHOSEN people when thats what He says in Deut 7:6. Since no one said Israel gets blessed whether or not they have faith, its a correct, but irrelevant point. Of course they have to have faith to reap the blessings that the Most High has for them. That should be a given.

That doesnt change that you said it was wrong to say the Most High has a chosen people. And running to the NT to prove He doesnt, doesnt change what He said in the OT. So if you dont want to address your statement in opposition to Deut 7:6 (not the correct but IRRELEVANT point that faith is needed) then theres nothing else to say. Because at the end of the day, what he said was that He would come back for Israel in everywhere HE SCATTERED THEM to where they would live with Him FOREVER while ruling over ALL nations.. I believe Him, you dont.

The chosen people are the ones with faith in God
You are of a certain race without faith = God does not accept you = your race doesnt matter = your race isnt the factor that saves = faith saves = those with faith in God are saved = faith is the factor that matters not tribe as per the next two sentences in Deut 7.

Anyways lets move on. Do you believe everyone in the Bible was black? Were the Jews in the New Testament blacks? When did people start believing they were white if yes?