homosexuality

can a homosexual come from god?


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Lisa

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how so?
you believe we are all the decedents of the first man and woman right?
What do you think of this verse?

Genesis‬ ‭4:14‬ ‭
Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
Who could he be talking about? Because so far it’s only 4 people on the earth and he just killed off one of them. Couldn’t God just tell Adam and Eve not to kill their own son?
 

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Yahweh is Jesus in Aramaic, I always love christians, Jesus is god but god is his father so he impregnated his mother with himself.

Christianity is just over 2020 years old, the Bible in it current form is less than that due to the council of Nicea.

The old testament is about 2700 years old give or take. Yet there are religions out their that are 10, 000 plus years old, we know we see the proof in Egypt, Italy, Greece, Peru, Mexico, China, russia, Norway and the UK. Judeo-Christian religions are some of the youngest. And in many of these religions be homosexual was ok, in fact I some cases encouraged.

The world's millions of years old, human civilisation began tens of thousands of years ago and the old testament is a mere 2700 years old at best. The Bible says life began 6000 years a go and has been proven wrong time and time again.

Also Jesus said he did not come to change the rules of the old testament, the whole Bible is a cluster of contradictions and scientific inaccuracies.
I’ve never heard that.

Have you ever heard my egg analogy?

The world isn’t millions of years old..people just think that because that’s what was needed to make bogus science work and give people a reason to discount creation. I doubt the Bible has been proven wrong again and again, honestly.
The world was begun by God and nothing is older than that. Not only that..He began this world with Adam and Eve. A man and a woman and procreation happens between both coming together. God made it the way it should be. When Adam and Eve disobeyed then sin came into the world and that’s how homosexuality came into being..so it is a sin. God also says it’s an abomination to Him...it disgusts him and he hates it.
 
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Well gays gave AIDS to the world so I'd say that's a little bit wrong..:)

PS- Gays try to say african monkeys started the Gay Plague but I don't buy that, I mean since when did monkeys ever hang in gay bars?
In the Congo, where patient zero was discovered, monkey meat is considered a delicacy. Monkeys can have something similar to HIV. Since human and primate DNA are similiar and viruses mutate... Well, that's the most likely cause of AIDs. Unless, of course, you're one of those people that think God made AIDs to punish gays...

But if you believe that, that begs a question... Why would God create a virus that to "punish the gays" that infects innocent people? Seems to me a god that would do that isn't loving, merciful, or good... So either you're full of shit, or your image of God is pretty evil. I'm leaning towards the former.
 

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In the Congo, where patient zero was discovered, monkey meat is considered a delicacy. Well, that's the most likely cause of AIDs. Unless, of course, you're one of those people that think God made AIDs to punish gays...

But if you believe that, that begs a question... Why would God create a virus that to "punish the gays" that infects innocent people?..

1- AIDS was virtually unknown for thousands of years but then flared up around the time the Gay Pride Movement began, what a coincidence.. ;)
First Gay Pride march NYC 1969
First AIDS cases after incubation period 1981.


2- If God wanted to punish gays he wouldn't have warned them not to do it, but they ignored his warning and got karma!

3- The Covid-19 virus was accidentally created by humans in filthy chinese food markets, God had nothing to do with it, and likewise gays accidentally created the AIDS virus because the mixing of same-sex body fluids wrecked their immune systems, God had zilch to do with that either, and sadly the AIDS virus leaked out into the hetero population..:p
 
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im gonna leave you with your thoughts. but just knowledge two mothers and two fathers can and will raise children just the same as heterosexuals.
Can and will equals should?

Does the right of two adults to have children trump the right of a child to have a mother and a father?
 

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What do you think of this verse?

Genesis‬ ‭4:14‬ ‭
Behold, You have driven me this day from the face of the ground; and from Your face I will be hidden, and I will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
Who could he be talking about? Because so far it’s only 4 people on the earth and he just killed off one of them. Couldn’t God just tell Adam and Eve not to kill their own son?
so you can admit it huh? YOU APPROVE OF INCEST!!!!!!

As to incest, it was not considered a sin and was not prohibited for Adam and early man. If the race was to populate and fulfill the command of Gen. 1:28, there is little doubt that Adam’s sons and daughters had to have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth, but due to the purity of the race as evidenced also by the long length of life, there were no adverse effects as we see happening today. Gradually, as the effects of sin took its toll on the human race, marrying one’s own sister, etc., began to create hereditary problems.
 

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In the Congo, where patient zero was discovered, monkey meat is considered a delicacy. Monkeys can have something similar to HIV. Since human and primate DNA are similiar and viruses mutate... Well, that's the most likely cause of AIDs. Unless, of course, you're one of those people that think God made AIDs to punish gays...

But if you believe that, that begs a question... Why would God create a virus that to "punish the gays" that infects innocent people? Seems to me a god that would do that isn't loving, merciful, or good... So either you're full of shit, or your image of God is pretty evil. I'm leaning towards the former.
What if He didn’t create a virus to punish people but what if that’s the natural punishment for doing something that shouldn’t be done?
 

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so you can admit it huh? YOU APPROVE OF INCEST!!!!!!

As to incest, it was not considered a sin and was not prohibited for Adam and early man. If the race was to populate and fulfill the command of Gen. 1:28, there is little doubt that Adam’s sons and daughters had to have married their own sisters and brothers if the race was to populate the earth, but due to the purity of the race as evidenced also by the long length of life, there were no adverse effects as we see happening today. Gradually, as the effects of sin took its toll on the human race, marrying one’s own sister, etc., began to create hereditary problems.
I admitted to what? That there was incest? I’m not sure where all the people that would get Cain came from..that’s what I have admitted to.

The Bible tells us that Cain has relations with his wife but neglected to tell us if it was his sister.

Genesis‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭
Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived,

Could be but it would take time to populate the human race with just two people..who are the people that Cain is afraid will kill him if they find him I wonder?
 

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I admitted to what? That there was incest? I’m not sure where all the people that would get Cain came from..that’s what I have admitted to.

The Bible tells us that Cain has relations with his wife but neglected to tell us if it was his sister.

Genesis‬ ‭4:17‬ ‭
Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived,

Could be but it would take time to populate the human race with just two people..who are the people that Cain is afraid will kill him if they find him I wonder?

Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters in addition to Abel, Cain, and Seth (Gen. 5:4), and if there was only one original family, then the first marriages had to be between brothers and sisters.

SO INCEST IS OK WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters in addition to Abel, Cain, and Seth (Gen. 5:4), and if there was only one original family, then the first marriages had to be between brothers and sisters.

SO INCEST IS OK WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, incest isn’t ok with me. I’d the world truly started like that then there isn’t anything I could do about it. But I’m not sure that it did start that way.

Anyway...What does that have to do with homosexuality though? God stated clearly the homosexuality is an abomination to Him. You’ll like to get off on another course and forget theta He did say that about homosexuality.


you cant have it both ways, Lisa.
I can’t have what both ways? If people have sex and the woman gets pregnant is that a natural outcome of having sex?
 

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I don't personally think that homosexuality is in any way good karmically. But creating people with unnatural desires and then punishing them for having those unnatural desires? Doesn't sound to me like the work of a loving God.

If it's Karma, well then it's due to the person's actions in other lives. Also it's possible to work on it, like any other karma. Unfortunately people are going around celebrating their unfortunate rebirth as if it is a positive thing. Of course part of the reason for this is a reaction against the idea that God creates defective people in order to condemn them to eternal suffering for their defects.

Homosexuality will cause the person suffering due to the Karma they accumulate. But then, we are all doing things which will lead to suffering through the Karma they create. The homosexual simply needs to understand that they are another poor lost person and that as Buddha says "attachment (i.e. desire) is the cause of suffering".
 

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I don't personally think that homosexuality is in any way good karmically. But creating people with unnatural desires and then punishing them for having those unnatural desires? Doesn't sound to me like the work of a loving God.

If it's Karma, well then it's due to the person's actions in other lives. Also it's possible to work on it, like any other karma. Unfortunately people are going around celebrating their unfortunate rebirth as if it is a positive thing. Of course part of the reason for this is a reaction against the idea that God creates defective people in order to condemn them to eternal suffering for their defects.

Homosexuality will cause the person suffering due to the Karma they accumulate. But then, we are all doing things which will lead to suffering through the Karma they create. The homosexual simply needs to understand that they are another poor lost person and that as Buddha says "attachment (i.e. desire) is the cause of suffering".
God didn’t create anyone with unnatural desires. In fact when He created everything it was all good and the way He wanted it. It wasn’t until after He created man and woman and they disobeyed Him..that sin and the disgusting affects of sin came into the world.

No..sin is the cause of suffering..its rebellion against God.
 

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God didn’t create anyone with unnatural desires. In fact when He created everything it was all good and the way He wanted it. It wasn’t until after He created man and woman and they disobeyed Him..that sin and the disgusting affects of sin came into the world.

No..sin is the cause of suffering..its rebellion against God.
sin like INCEST (by the time of Moses, incest was then prohibited in the Mosaic laws ), which is the ONLY way for an original family to spawn the human race. so adam and eve would never have had sex unless they disobeyed him? hence, human race would have never existed?

if youre not sure the human race started that way, how else could it have? you certainly don't believe in evolution.

there is no other way.

you are the bible thumper that picks and chooses arguments to suit your prejudiced views. like many others.

the fact that you are SO VOCAL about other peoples lifestyles says about your self hatred. judge not , right?
 

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1- AIDS was virtually unknown for thousands of years but then flared up around the time the Gay Pride Movement began, what a coincidence.. ;)
First Gay Pride march NYC 1969
First AIDS cases after incubation period 1981.


2- If God wanted to punish gays he wouldn't have warned them not to do it, but they ignored his warning and got karma!

3- The Covid-19 virus was accidentally created by humans in filthy chinese food markets, God had nothing to do with it, and likewise gays accidentally created the AIDS virus because the mixing of same-sex body fluids wrecked their immune systems, God had zilch to do with that either, and sadly the AIDS virus leaked out into the hetero population..:p
yeah no straight person ever acquired AIDS from a blood transfusion.

you are certifiably gay.
 

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sin like INCEST (by the time of Moses, incest was then prohibited in the Mosaic laws ), which is the ONLY way for an original family to spawn the human race. so adam and eve would never have had sex unless they disobeyed him? hence, human race would have never existed?

if youre not sure the human race started that way, how else could it have? you certainly don't believe in evolution.

there is no other way.

you are the bible thumper that picks and chooses arguments to suit your prejudiced views. like many others.

the fact that you are SO VOCAL about other peoples lifestyles says about your self hatred. judge not , right?
I say that because I do believe that incest is wrong and I don’t believe God would want us to do wrong in the beginning. Idk who the other people are that Cain is talking about..which opens the door to the possibility that there just wasn’t Adam and Eve and their kids. I could be wrong on that..but I do wonder who Cain was afraid of finding him. Just family? We only knew of Adam, Eve, Able and Cain at that point. It wasn’t until after Cain kills Able that we hear about Seth. The Bible sometimes leaves out things and focuses on others which lead us to wondering about God and how He did things. Sort of like wondering how He could be One God but three persons.

I‘m so vocal? This is a forum..we are ALL so vocal...lol! Who are you fooling? If you want to hear your own opinions spouted back at you..go to another website where they all agree with you.

Again...going back to the op..homosexuality..God says its an abomination and he hates it and is disgusted by it. He calls it unnatural...because of course He began the natural in creating man and woman and telling us that they are the natural together...one man, one woman.
 

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I say that because I do believe that incest is wrong and I don’t believe God would want us to do wrong in the beginning. Idk who the other people are that Cain is talking about..which opens the door to the possibility that there just wasn’t Adam and Eve and their kids. I could be wrong on that..but I do wonder who Cain was afraid of finding him. Just family? We only knew of Adam, Eve, Able and Cain at that point. It wasn’t until after Cain kills Able that we hear about Seth. The Bible sometimes leaves out things and focuses on others which lead us to wondering about God and how He did things. Sort of like wondering how He could be One God but three persons.

I‘m so vocal? This is a forum..we are ALL so vocal...lol! Who are you fooling? If you want to hear your own opinions spouted back at you..go to another website where they all agree with you.

Again...going back to the op..homosexuality..God says its an abomination and he hates it and is disgusted by it. He calls it unnatural...because of course He began the natural in creating man and woman and telling us that they are the natural together...one man, one woman.

Leviticus 20:17
If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They are to be publicly removed from their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible.

yet , adam and eves 800 years of offspring all married each other.

so natural!

what else does God hate? please tell us? you obviously hate yourself
 
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