KoncreteMind
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What your tone there, you never know who you're talking about
The TRUE BIBLICAL TRUTH; Esau will fall, Jacob will rise
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Did you just blaspheme Christ?
Both the OT and NT is from God and he possessed a man to write it for us. Noah, Abraham, and Moses are irrelevant when we're talking about the NT because they aren't alive during that timeline. There are small references of them in the NT, but that is it. I have read the Bible for myself, otherwise I wouldn't have made this thread.
I guess you don't realize that none of us do not fully understand the Bible, it doesn't matter if you fully understand the gist of the basics, there's still more to learn, and then there's things we'll just never know, and we have to accept that. The book used to be extremely thick, but the White Man cut out most of the pages, now we all have average sized Bibles. I 'm only mentioning this because you keep assuming I haven't read the Bible but at least I'm capable of understanding THIS.
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Okay, God granted his son and his people glory. What the hell is the problem?
I just love how you're ignoring most of the verses of evidence I gave you. I think your problem is, YOU LEAN ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING.
People from the OT did not know Jesus because things were different in the OT Era. In the NT, obviously, his disciples knew him. People from wherever he went and performed miracles granted BY GOD knew him. Even the heathens knew him. So what you're saying is debunked. Slaves, by the grace of Jesus, most of them were aware there is a God and that he sent his son to die for them, so some of them repented but they weren't able to follow all 613 commandments due to being enslaved which brings up the point I mentioned earlier, that is one of the reasons why God sent his son to give us grace. He knew some things we just can't help with.
Ex: He says do not eat unclean food, but most food we have today are full of chemicals, so God understands. We are living in Babylon after all.
By the way, Jesus himself said nobody can get to the father, which is God, except through him.
John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man can get to the father except through me."
This means if you don't repent, how in the world are you going to follow Gods laws? You have to acknowledge who you are first before you move to second base. You can't keep his laws without sincerely apologizing for your sins and accepting that Jesus is the son of God, Koncrete. That would mean you're lukewarm, and by the looks of it, YOU, YOURSELF, ARE LUKEWARM.
I have read the Bible all my life, so to answer your question yes, but your question is completely nothing. Let's say you read the entire Bible. Okay. But what truly matters? Do you take the time to study with God? Do you hunger for an understanding? Do you pray while reading the scriptures so that he can teach and correct you? These are the questions you should be asking YOURSELF. Somebody can read the entire Bible, but not have an understanding of it! The whole point is to gain understanding, and that is when prayer is needed.
John - No one can get to the father except through me.
God- Put no other god before me. Recognize the contradiction. You are doing exactly what God commanded us not to do.
Christians- Jesus is our savior
God - Isaiah 43:11 I- I am GOD and besides me THERE IS NO SAVIOR.
Hosea 13:4 I am the Lord they God from the land of Egypt. You knew no god but me and besides me THERE IS NO SAVIOR...
Christian- Jesus died for our sins
God- No man can die for your sins.“
You can either listen to God or continue to follow false idols. The real Israel has cast such ill practices out. As God said. Once thine eyes are open you will cast your false idol away like a menstrual cloth. Not continue to justify idol worship. Our God never spoke a single word in the NT nor has He EVER mentioned a savior son/sun. So once again will you choose God over the idols or will you continue to worship false gods ? Ask yourself ?
Isaiah 30:22- You sall defile also the covering of thy graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: thou shalt cast them away as a menstruous cloth; thou shalt say unto it, Get thee hence.
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God has forsaken the old covenant. Hence why there hasnt been a temple or semblance of patriarchal Israel(governed by the law of Moses) in 2000 years. Its no coincidence that Jerusalem and the temple were utterly destroyed in 70AD to the Romans as it was an official and definitive proclamation to the Jews(and the world) that the old covenant came to completion and all the promises are now in Christ who was conveniantly enough crucified shortly before the official destruction of Jerusalem. You guys have no altar, you have no priesthood, you have not had any patriarchs for over 2000 years... No prophecy for over 2000 years... The longest Israel went without a temple was 70 years(a full generation) during the Babylonian captivity, yet its been 2000 years without a temple for God to dwell. The temple was a symbol that God was with them, and there is no temple standing to this day. Israel stood for thousands of years, but coincidentally just perished shortly after Christ was crucified? Face the reality... The old covenant is just that, its old and done away with. God solely operates in the new covenant now where we as the body of Christ are the temple and God dwells within us through the holy spirit. God demands you keep his laws in the old covenant yet he hasnt even provided you a way to, because you cant separate the law from the temple and priesthood and blood atonement's. You cant even keep the law, because there is no way to without these things which means God hasnt provided you a way. Why? The old covenant ran its course in 70AD(70 is a signature number in scripture, it is a number of completion). You dont have access to God anymore through the old covenant. He no longer associates with it. You cant and dont even keep the law anyways so it should be a relief to you that God doesnt judge you according to the old covenant that you guys are currently breaking... The old covenant is done with.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13
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Jesus is the King of Israel who was sent to die for their sake. Jesus is literally just God in the flesh. Then that brings up the question, so why is it then that Jesus calls God his father? Because God is the creator, Jesus is our savior, the Holy Spirit is our helper. That's just how God wanted it to be. Jesus is the son of God, but he is also God in the flesh. We humans just can't comprehend the many choices GOD makes,
But Jesus still says we can't even begin to get to the father. Not before you seek Jesus first. Because again, if you don't repent, then what is the point of following his commandments? You have to repent first.
God is the king of Israel, so is Jesus. Did you even notice that? Noah, Elijah, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, all in the OLD TESTAMENT yet God refers to them as his people, that means he is their king. In the New Testament, the disciples of Jesus are his people, and Jesus himself is the king of Israel.
I noticed a lot of you here like to question God a lot, and always want an answer. Well, you have to accept the fact that there will be times you don't get answers. Why? Because he is God, and some things, as I said above, our mere human brains cannot comprehend.
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See that pedestal you put him on? Thats idolatry
Can you prove that?
I cant speak for you. This is what I believe:
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
God never revealed a "Jesus" that would come be "king of Israel" to "die to save you". Thats pagan mythology wrapped up in a Hebrew covering. I was caught up in it too, but thankfully the Most High, thru continued study, showed me that I should ONLY be relying on Him just people like Abraham, Moses, or David did.
Jeremiah “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more”
Hmmm how did we miss the new covenant between Israel & Judah. Who has the laws (that Christians don’t even believe in) WITHIN them lolsmh!!!???
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God: I wont grant my glory to another
Jesus/Little Lady: God granted Jesus His glory
If you dont see the contradiction idk what to tell you. God said He doesnt share His glory yet you say He does with you and Jesus lol...
Just as I'd ignore the quran when discussing the God of Israel, I'll ignore you bringing up the NT when discussing the God of Israel. Bring me Him saying what you are, then you'll have my ears...
Nope. God said He doesnt change so His expectations dont change. Meaning He wouldnt count on Abraham counting on Him (God) then the NT comes around and give everyone a "Jesus" to count on... He doesnt change
David didnt need a Jesus to repent, neither do I...
I asked if you could say the Most High witnessed you read the bible front back. Its a yes or no question really..
I did those things though. I absolutely prayed for understanding and went all over the place looking for it till I finally ended up here. Home. And when I got here, I saw that home wasnt way in the middle east, but was right up under my nose. Almost literally.
Hopefully you get there too. Because as of right now, you're just a hebrew christialite. And thats not going to save you...
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2000 years and no temple, priesthood, altar, or blood atonement. There hasnt been one atonement for the Israelite's or you in over 2000 years according to the standards in Judaism. God is done with the old covenant. Look at the evidence.... The new covenant came you and reject it. You will not find Elohim in the old covenant. Only the new, because the old came to completion in 70AD when the temple was pummeled by the Romans(70 is symobilic for completion!). There hasnt been one since. No prophet since. No priest of God since.... Face the evidence.
Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the Lord, and there is no other.
So now, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are the Lord.”
Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself,
“O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.
“Jesus is god in the flesh “ lollol.
So I guess God died for 3 days smh!
One simple question.
point me to the people that God has put the laws within ? So that they no longer have to teach the law ?? (Jeremiah)
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Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
So apparently, we still have to keep the law. We can't keep all of them though, because there's some things we can't help, but as the people of Israel, they are to keep the law. People of Israel still have curses upon them for what? NOT KEEPING THE LAW. That is why God made Esau to punish us for it, and he still is punishing us. The people of Israel are at the bottom STILL TO THIS DAY INCLUDING MYSELF, because the Edomites are first. The only reason why we can't keep all of the laws though, is because we live in a Babylonian society, and that is why God gave grace unto Israel.
There is only one difference between the OC and the NC. In the OC, we had to sacrifice animals and do whatever else God told us to do whenever we would sin. The whole deal between him and the Israelites was keep his laws, serve him sincerely, and you get the kingdom. The NC is the same exact thing, except when we sin, we are to repent. So what is the deal of the NC? Repent whenever you sin (instead of doing what they did in the OT) and continue abiding by his laws, and you will receive the kingdom. If you don't repent whenever you sin and halt in abiding by his laws, you aren't invited to the kingdom.
That is the one and only difference that I have been repeating millions of times, a lot of you guys are making this thread become repetitive.
I feel like most of you just grab verses without studying it only so you can bring it here in the hopes of it aligning with YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING. That is the biggest problem most of y'all have.
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Those laws being put in someone are a reference to the holy spirit indwelling the christian in the new covenant.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
So I guess you can’t point to the Israel & Judah today who supposedly has the laws within ?? Thanks for at least trying to respond I guess.
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All of those verses are from the OT, and guess what? Jesus was in the NT! So those "points" of yours are already invalid. The idea of God wanting to give grace unto his people came to be in the NT, so that was when everything from there progressed.
"Jesus is God in the flesh lolll so I guess God died for 3 days, smh!"
Okay, so num.1 you mocked him.
Num.2 I told you our human brains can't comprehend everything about God. You just want to know everything, all while leaning on your own understanding. God is God, we are mere humans, we can't get the 100% accurate answers all the time. Stop trying to question God all while mocking him, and just make sure you repent, and abide by his laws.
In fact, you can't even be considered one of his people UNTIL you repent. You can't follow his laws without first admitting your faults and believing that he sent his son for the purposes of giving you grace. That is why Jesus said you can't go to the father UNTIL you get to Jesus.
So I guess I was wrong about you. It doesn't seem like you're an Israelite. You're a confused being.
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You really dont understand. There was THE NEED for the new covenant, because Israel never kept the law in the first place. They broke it all throughout the enacting of the first one! Even Paul confessed his own condemnation brought by the law in Romans 7 and he was a Pharisee and through his youth gave himself to the law!
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Hebrews 8:7
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? John 7:19
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Acts 15:10
...and you would teach the people of Israel they are to keep the law? That's crazy...
They need Christ and the new covenant, because the law condemns them! You are not rightly dividing the words of truth....
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Jesus is introduced in the NT, those verses are events that happened in the OT so of course, nothing was said about Jesus during that time.
And the rest of your posts/responses to me are just you saying you don't accept Jesus as your savior, when God himself wants his people to, so that they can then follow his laws. I guess you aren't one of Gods people then.
No point in conversing with you anymore. I'm not about to get constant headaches by someone who disagrees with the truth. Have a great day.
@LittleLady- Considering you still follow christ you may as well have remained a Christian. Which is simply a follower of christ teachings. In order to be considered a Hebrew you must follow God or at least those called by his name.
ObidiYAH
JeremiYAH
Hosea-YAH
YAHcoub (Jacob)
Yahshuah ( JOSHUA)
ZephaniYAH
ZachariYAH
DaniEL
MichaEL
JoEL
EzekiEL
SamuEL
etc...
So are you going to follow our prophets those called by his name ??? OR are you going to follow
peter
Paul
John
Mark
Luke.....
like seriously get a clue lol. I say that in the nicest way possible.
ObidiYAH
JeremiYAH
Hosea-YAH
YAHcoub (Jacob)
Yahshuah ( JOSHUA)
ZephaniYAH
ZachariYAH
DaniEL
MichaEL
JoEL
EzekiEL
SamuEL
etc...
So are you going to follow our prophets those called by his name ??? OR are you going to follow
peter
Paul
John
Mark
Luke.....
like seriously get a clue lol. I say that in the nicest way possible.
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The Israelites are still cursed to this day, the ONLY reason being because they didn't keep the law. Unless you keep the law, your curses will continue and then you're going to be part of the 2/3 that Jesus kills when he returns.
You have your interpretation, and I have what God literally told me, so we're just not going to agree with each other...ever I suppose.