George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[Artful Revealer]

My exact thoughts were of Saddam and Iraq when I saw that.

Frankly it's about time this relics representing the worst aspects of history are brought down. They are going to bring down a statue of Robert Lee in Virginia and the right wingers are getting triggered.

I think it's more fair to keep the statues and get rid of the poc who have a problem with it.

 

[justjess]

you missed a common feature. both are false flag psy-ops. to find out who is responsible for such big events, it is important to look at who benefited the most. who is becoming a monopoly as small and medium-sized businesses went down? who is rubbing their hands for a high-tech police state when there is terror in the streets?

Dems benefitted from covid
Repubs benefited from riots
Whoever owns them all benefitted from both... namely the billionaires and people manipulating the stock market (bankers).

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

If it wasn't for the elctoral college, it'd basically be 2 states calling the shots, New York and Cali. If you call that more fair, that's on you.

But it's obviously the Dems who have no confidence in their nominee and will do anything within their power to steal the election. Wouldn't be surprised it they have a surprise candidate in store in the wake of these riots.

Nah as it is now we have a handful of plains states and the South dictate to the rest of us. It’s called minority rule and isn’t fair at all. It gives land more electoral power than people. Of course you want that because your ideas aren’t anywhere close to being a majority, it’s the only reason republicans have won elections since the 90s. If you can’t win on the merits of your ideas you shouldn’t have to resort to minority rule.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

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She didn't go to prison for 5 years for the school thing, she went to prison for doing a hand-to-hand crack sale twice to an undercover narc. She actually received 12 years. The school thing was just folded in with the rest of the case.

Tanya McDowell sentenced to 5 years in prison

Even as she faced sentencing Tuesday for twice selling drugs to an undercover police...

www.ctpost.com

Felicity Huffman’s Sentence Is Lenient, But It’s Also Fair

It’s only a small punishment in our American context that expects years or even decades in jail for relatively small offenses.

www.vanityfair.com

EXCERPT: "On Friday, Felicity Huffman was sentenced to 14 days in federal prison, 250 hours of community service, a year of supervised release and a $30,000 fine for her participation in the college admissions bribery scheme. It’s a relative slap on the wrist to other viral stories of educational fraud, like Kelley Williams-Bolar, an African-American single mom whose was convicted of two felonies and initially sentenced to five years in jail for using her children’s father’s address to put them in a better school district. (The sentence was eventually reduced, and she served nine days in jail.)"

If you are going to use an example, then this is a better one than the other, but the sentence was reduced in this case also...

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

She didn't go to prison for 5 years for the school thing, she went to prison for doing a hand-to-hand crack sale twice to an undercover narc. She actually received 12 years. The school thing was just folded in with the rest of the case.

Tanya McDowell sentenced to 5 years in prison

Even as she faced sentencing Tuesday for twice selling drugs to an undercover police...

www.ctpost.com

Felicity Huffman’s Sentence Is Lenient, But It’s Also Fair

It’s only a small punishment in our American context that expects years or even decades in jail for relatively small offenses.

www.vanityfair.com

EXCERPT: "On Friday, Felicity Huffman was sentenced to 14 days in federal prison, 250 hours of community service, a year of supervised release and a $30,000 fine for her participation in the college admissions bribery scheme. It’s a relative slap on the wrist to other viral stories of educational fraud, like Kelley Williams-Bolar, an African-American single mom whose was convicted of two felonies and initially sentenced to five years in jail for using her children’s father’s address to put them in a better school district. (The sentence was eventually reduced, and she served nine days in jail.)"

If you are going to use an example, then this is a better one than the other, but the sentence was reduced in this case also...

Yeah we’ve been over it already.

 

[UnderAlienControl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269597789329199104

 

[Lyfe]

Trump orders National Guard to withdraw from DC as ‘everything is under perfect control’

With the situation in the capital “under perfect control,” Donald Trump has announced the withdrawal of the National Guard from Washington DC, but warned that the troops may be redeployed if the riots resume.

www.rt.com

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

‘Antifa bus’ hoaxes are spreading panic through small-town America

“we have no evidence leading us to believe this threat is at all credible,” one sheriff said

www.theverge.com

“In Forks, Washington, a multi-racial family of four was harassed by armed locals, who believed they represented an antifa incursion. The family had arrived in town on a camping trip, traveling in a full-sized school bus. Local police say they were confronted by “seven or eight carloads” of people, who aggressively questioned them about their antifa connections. When the family attempted to drive off, locals felled trees across the roadway to prevent them from escaping. They were only able to leave after a group of students intervened.”

 

[vancityeagle]

 

[thursdayafternoon]

Dems benefitted from covid
Repubs benefited from riots
Whoever owns them all benefitted from both... namely the billionaires and people manipulating the stock market (bankers).

I was also talking about bankers. but somebody's world is just trump. (in terms of both his supporters and opponents)

 

[thursdayafternoon]

There is a muzzle in his mouth, and kneeling before political correctness. New world.

 

[Aero]

they don't judge the richest criminals, they follow the lower class. this is happening all over the world. but you still haven't said what it has to do with blacks. If blacks are more interested in drugs than whites, they are more followed. If you are saying that the police are ignoring the whites dealing with drugs and this is not selective perception, this needs to be proven. but in any way, (even if you're right) it is not unfair to judge people who are dealing with drugs. "Blacks should commit crimes as freely as whites" is an absurd argument. drugs are not innocent. it's a poison that kills people.

Wow, you are moving the goalposts bad.

Black people aren't more interested in drugs. It's actually white people. The facts of the matter are black people have significantly more sentences resulting in incarceration than Whites and significantly longer lasting sentences than Whites.

Nobody ever said, "Blacks should commit crimes as freely as whites". That is a total misrepresentation, and it's also a strawman fallacy. The actual position I have is called "everyone who commits the same crime should get the same sentence".

 

[seekinheart]

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There is a muzzle in his mouth, and kneeling before political correctness. New world.

exactly where they want us silenced and on our knees

 

[UnderAlienControl]

How America’s Wars Abroad Contribute to Police Brutality at Home

The indefensible death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police officers and the indiscriminate police violence in subsequent protests have returned police misconduct to the center of our national conversation.It is not a conversation we ma

www.anti-empire.com

America’s Cops Have an Out-Of-Control Kill Rate (Against All Colors and Creeds)

Editor's note: This is a text from 2015. Literally for decades particularly libertarians, but also some conservatives and a few leftists, tried drawing attention to the incredibly high kill rates by US police when compared to cops in Europe or Asia,

www.anti-empire.com

Video: Probe Launched After US Cop Filmed Kneeling on Black Man's Neck

An unidentified Sarasota, Florida, police officer has been placed on administrative leave and is at the center of an internal investigation after a video was posted on social media showing him placing his knee on a black man’s neck during...

sputniknews.com

Minnesota cops 'trained by Israeli forces'

morningstaronline.co.uk

Minn cops trained by Israeli police, who often use knee-on-neck restraint

Over 100 Minn police attended 2012 conference where Israeli police trained them. Israeli forces often use knee-on-neck pressure, and far worse, killing many

israelpalestinenews.org

A rebuttal:

The Nature of Israeli Training of US Police Officers

It should go without saying that Israel did not train police officers to murder a man in cold blood.

www.israellycool.com

 

[thursdayafternoon]

The facts of the matter are black people have significantly more sentences resulting in incarceration than Whites and significantly longer lasting sentences than Whites.

I said I haven't answered that yet. I'm not talking about the duration of prison sentences. The matter of catching crime. The others on this thread said the police were always around blacks. so the police always found the crimes of blacks. and this is unfair. I answered that. if this is not your opinion, ok.
edit:

I said black people get charged more.

actually you said that too. they are charged more because they commit more crime. if this is unfair, you defend their right to commit crimes. I said that.

 

[Phillip Jefferies]

In Klamath Falls, Oregon, victory declared over antifa, which never showed up

Towns from Washington state to Indiana have seen armed groups begin patrolling the streets after rumors spread on social media about an antifa invasion.

www.nbcnews.com

“A lot of these people came out because they swore that antifa buses were in town," Brigham said. "They couldn't believe that I was from here. They thought I must be a black man that came from somewhere else."

Only a matter of time before this gets someone killed

 

[seekinheart]

I keep repeating this in his voice. To anybody who asks me what I think in real life.

 

[Aero]

I said I haven't answered that yet. I'm not talking about the duration of prison sentences. The matter of catching crime. The others on this thread said the police were always around blacks. so the police always found the crimes of blacks. and this is unfair. I answered that. if this is not your opinion, ok.

I figured you were talking about some other argument.

The studies I've looked at today only dealt with topics like sentencing disparity, and drug use. Maybe I'll check into the whole police presence issue, but I've already found 3 sources today. So it already kind of feels like I'm stacking the deck, not because I'm ignoring your evidence, but because you don't have any evidence.

 

[Frank Badfinger]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269686887607939072

 

[Artful Revealer]

@Wigi

Thanks for your post. Appreciate it.

I went through the numbers you posted and juxtaposed them to the ones from the FBI. It generated some interesting results.

From 2008 to 2017, 427 white police officers have been killed. Ok we get that and personally I believe it's sad but we don't know if the majority of white officers were all killed by black offenders

It's unlikely that the majority of white officers are killed by black people. These things are mostly intraracial in that predominantly white communities will most of the time have a predominantly white police force and ditto for blacks. But we can conclude, just based on those gross numbers, that if 38.1% of police killing offenders are black, while only 13.9% of killed police officers are non-white (meaning not white , hispanic or latino), that ratio alone says that at bare minimum 24.2% of offenders shooting non-black officers is black. The statistical minimum is almost twice their population proportion.

while 667 blacks among 2984 persons were shot by the police between 2017 and 2019 representing 22,3% (>12,1%).

In 2019, blacks represented 23,4% of those who were shot by the police and If we take account of the additional 20,1% classified as unknown and consider that roughly half of them were in fact blacks it would mean they represented 33% of the persons shot by the police (> 12,1%) solely for 2019.

As @thursdayafternoon said, this needs to be measured against crime rates where the race of offender and victim are known. Here's a good link one can use to go over customized statistics by crime type and year since 2008, based on FBI data gathered from 7,610 law enforcement agencies. There are no numbers yet for 2019, so I'll take violent crime (homicide, r*pe, robbery and aggravated assault) offender's and victim's demographics for the last 2 years containing data, 2017-2018, as the example.

Offenders with reported race: 819,072.
Victims with reported race: 817,276.

Offenders that are white (incl. Hispanic/Latino): 379,888 of 819,072 or 46.4% with 77% population distribution.
Ratio violent crime / population = 0.60
Offenders that are black or African American: 356,210 of 819,072 or 43.5% with 12.7% population distribution.
Ratio violent crime / population = 3.43

Victims that are white (incl. Hispanic/Latino): 496,021 of 817,276 or 60.7% with 77% population distribution.
Ratio victim / population = 0.79
Victims that are black or African American: 272,867 of 817,276 or 33.4% with 12.7% population distribution.
Ratio victim / population = 2.63

White offender to victim ratio (0.6 / 0.79) = 0.76
Black offender to victim ratio (3.43/2.63) = 1.30

We're going to take your data here:

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2024 | Statista

The trend of fatal police shootings in the U.S. seems to only be increasing each year, with Black civilians having the highest rates of being killed by police.

www.statista.com

You estimated 33% of shot civilians in 2019 were black, based on 23.4% + half of 20,1% unknown. I'm not sure why you used half of unknown when the black proportion of the known is 23.4%. So it's a better estimate to take 23.4% of the unknown 202 which is 47.2. So we add 47 to the amount of blacks shot, ie. 235, which equals 277 on a total of 1004 civilians shot in 2019 = (277 / 1004) 27.6% instead of 33%.

Ratio shot black civilian / population (27.6 / 12.7) = 2.17

2019 is also the worst year for blacks according to that graph and I can't compare it to the crime stats that I've taken from the FBI (since 2019 hasn't been updated yet), so what I'm gonna do is take your numbers from 2017 and 2018 and put them next to the offender vs victim stats I've listed above.

People shot by cops in 2017: 457 (white) + 223 (black) + 179 (hispanic) + 44 (other) + 84 (unknown) = 987 total.
People shot by cops in 2018: 399 (white) + 209 (black) + 148 (hispanic) + 36 (other) + 204 (unknown) = 996 total.

Total people shot in 2017-2018: 987 + 996 = 1983.

To match these with the numbers from the FBI where white includes hispanic, i'm going to add the whites and hispanic numbers.

White civilians shot by police in 2017 and 2018: 457 + 399 + 179 + 148 = 1183 on 1983 = 59,7% with 77% population distribution.
Black civilians shot by police in 2017 and 2018: 223 + 209 = 432 on 1983 = 21,8% with 12,7% population distribution.

Thus, during the 2017-2018 period:

59,7% of civilians shot by the police were white when whites were 46,4% the offender in violent crime with reported race.

WHITE:
59.7% of people shot dead by police.
46.4% of violent crime offender.
Ratio shot by police / violent crime offender = 1.29

During 2017-2018 whites are proportionately shot 1.29 compared to their participation rate in violent crime.



21.8% of civilians shot by the police were black when blacks were 43.5% the offender in violent crime with reported race.

BLACK:
21.8% of people shot dead by police.
43.5% of violent crime offender.
Ratio shot by police / violent crime offender = 0.50

During 2017-2018 blacks are proportionately shot 0.50 compared to their participation rate in violent crime.


Wow, even I didn't expect such a discrepancy.

I'll be playing around with the Crime Data Explorer in the near future and see what gives.

Feel free to double check these calculations and challenge wherever necessary.