George Floyd/Protests/Peace/Riots/Chaos

[Artful Revealer]

If you click on the blue hypertext (a new report on sentencing disparities) you'll find it in the "key findings" under the first section labelled "introduction".

You mean there?


Yeah, that's just a statement. There's no data or table that shows us sentences with criminal history as a variable.

 

[Artful Revealer]

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xD That's nothing. Obviously cops are going to prefer Proud Boys over Antifa or BLM. Which sane person wouldn't?

 

[thursdayafternoon]

People should absolutely have rose up for Tony Timpa. They didn't. But since people are rising up for George Floyd. there's actually a chance to change things and if you don't take that chance... Well, you're letting Tony Timpa down, since the person being propped up as a martyr matters less than the cause

I mean, if this is an uprising against police violence (apart from races), there's no point in talking about the "black revolution" or provoking the black people. because all the anger provoked (and justified) is related to the assumption that the victim of violence is black people. There would be no vandalism, mostly from blacks.

I’m not sure what else you’re looking for. I even quoted the portion that mentions the relevant data. Here it is again, if that helps:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11524-020-00430-0
“Conversely, class 6 (low threat, likely unarmed), which are LIH characterized by an apparent absence of force used by the victim, is the only class in which the plurality of victims is a non-white race (black, non-Hispanic). This finding comports with prior LIH research that finds that black Americans are not only disproportionately likely to be killed by law enforcement but are disproportionately unlikely to present an objective threat of deadly force (as measured both directly by mention of use of force by victim in incident narratives and by proxy through victim’s armed status)”

I have read all.

Another subset of LIH that has been the focus of attention is the killing of unarmed, black men [5, 27, 28]. In our study black, non-Hispanic people are roughly twice as likely to be victims of LIH compared with their representation in the general US population.

False 1: It ignores the crime rate differences between races. And it doesn't mention the proportion of races in all cases that clash with the police.

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

www.bop.gov

for all crimes.


Looking at the difference in racial crime rates, there is no apparent disproportion. The writer combined blacks and hispanics (when commenting) to show whites as a minority.

We are talking about very small numbers for a notable sample. (16-17-11-4)

We also don't know how many people of what races faced the police in 6. class.

+Crime rates for hispanics are also unknown.

 

[Artful Revealer]

36% of homicides were committed by blacks52% of murder victims were black

Yes, I understood that, but where do you get them from? This is important, because it would explain a lot if you actually believe these are the numbers.

 

[justjess]

xD That's nothing. Obviously cops are going to prefer Proud Boys over Antifa or BLM. Which sane person wouldn't?

You are purposefully minimizing a real problem in my country and maybe it’s easy to do so because you don’t live here but the ties between the police and white nationalist groups are problematic and dangerous and a big part of the problem hete

 

[Kung Fu]

You mean there?
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Yeah, that's just a statement. There's no data or table that shows us sentences with criminal history as a variable.

Yes, but that's just a summary of their findings from the study. If you want the specifics and data why not go into the next section, which talks about the different variables and if you're still not happy, the appendices and then look at the methodology? And if you're still not satisfied contact the commission by email or phone and ask them the names of the people they looked into and etc.

I can't be doing everything for you. I provided the link and cited the study. If you don't trust the Commission, the very justice system which you seem to support, then contact them.

 

[Artful Revealer]

You are purposefully minimizing a real problem in my country and maybe it’s easy to do so because you don’t live here but the ties between the police and white nationalist groups are problematic and dangerous and a big part of the problem hete

Black-on-white crime is 9,17 times greater than the reverse, gross, ie. not proportionate to population distribution (else it'd be 45,8 times greater). But I'm minimizing a real problem? Ok. lol

 

[justjess]

Yes, I understood that, but where do you get them from? This is important, because it would explain a lot if you actually believe these are the numbers.

It was an article, that I for some reason can’t find again. These are the fbi stats - they are different. They are also still not complete.

Expanded Homicide

ucr.fbi.gov

 

[Artful Revealer]

Yes, but that's just a summary of their findings from the study. If you want the specifics and data why not go into the next section, which talks about the different variables and if you're still not happy, the appendices and then look at the methodology? And if you're still not satisfied contact the commission by email or phone and ask them the names of the people they looked into and etc.

That's what I meant. There's no data in this study about criminal history. That little paragraph is all they say on it.

 

[justjess]

Black-on-white crime is 9,17 times greater than the reverse, gross, ie. not proportionate to population distribution (else it'd be 45,8 times greater). But I'm minimizing a real problem? Ok. lol

I guess it’s not possible to have more than one problem at a time. Who knew?

 

[Kung Fu]

That's what I meant. There's no data in this study about criminal history. That little paragraph is all they say on it.

Impossible. The key findings are just summary snippets of the study. It has to be in the variables section or in the appendices. An organization such as them would be crucified if they didn't have the information they claimed to have.

 

[Artful Revealer]

It was an article, that I for some reason can’t find again. These are the fbi stats - they are different. They are also still not complete.

Expanded Homicide

ucr.fbi.gov

I don't think there's really that much controversy about the numbers. Even liberals admit 52% of the homicides are committed by blacks.

From Wiki:

Homicide[edit]
According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans.[60][61][62]

You probably have 36 and 52 inversed.

 

[Artful Revealer]

It was an article, that I for some reason can’t find again. These are the fbi stats - they are different. They are also still not complete.

Expanded Homicide

ucr.fbi.gov

Another one.

From same Wiki-page:

Youth crime[edit]
The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other races/ethnicities.[70]

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness. Racial disparities in arrest have consistently been far less among older population groups.[71]

 

[justjess]

I don't think there's really that much controversy about the numbers. Even liberals admit 52% of the homicides are committed by blacks.

From Wiki:

Homicide[edit]
According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for African Americans was almost eight times higher than Whites, and the victim rate six times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of White victims killed by Whites and 93% of African American victims killed by African Americans.[60][61][62]

You probably have 36 and 52 inversed.

It’s 52 and 52 - I was honest and said the fbi stats disagreed with the earlier article I saw.

 

[Artful Revealer]

Impossible. The key findings are just summary snippets of the study. It has to be in the variables section or in the appendices. An organization such as them would be crucified if they didn't have the information they claimed to have.

Okay, maybe I'm missing something then?

Can you find it because I swear the paragraph in those key findings is all there is. They even say that such data only existed in 2016, if I understand correctly.

 

[justjess]

'Deeply Disturbing': New York Supreme Court Judge Rules Protesters Can Be Detained Indefinitely | Common Dreams

"This is suspension of habeas corpus, it is unconstitutional," said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

www.commondreams.org

 

[Artful Revealer]

It’s 52 and 52 - I was honest and said the fbi stats disagreed with the earlier article I saw.

52% the perpetrator and 52% the victim? If that's what you meant, that's mathematically impossible when you look at interracial crime stats.

 

[justjess]

52% the perpetrator and 52% the victim? If that's what you meant, that's mathematically impossible when you look at interracial crime stats.

That’s what the fbi stats say. Don’t shoot the messenger. The highest category is black on black so maybe that splits the difference.

 

[thursdayafternoon]

I think the latest data shared by Artful should end all discussions. But nothing can stop justjess.

 

[Kung Fu]

Okay, maybe I'm missing something then?

Can you find it because I swear the paragraph in those key findings is all there is. They even say that such data only existed in 2016, if I understand correctly.

They're the United States Sentencing Commission and so they wouldn't make a claim like that without having the proof, which they clearly do since they have all the sentencing records at their disposal. I believe their next section after their intro talks about the different variables so check there and if not check the appendices under methodology. If you still can't find it contact the commissioners. All their names are on the first page. Maybe you can be the first one to catch them slipping since no else has in regards to this study

Yes, they said the data in regards to criminal history was only available for the year 2016 but the study only lasted until the end of 2016.