Why is Ramadan considered fasting when all people do is eat a large early 4 AM breakfast and just skip lunch then eat a huge dinner?

[manama]

I would talk about how fasting for 24 hours or more is actually dangerous for your health and the way Islam does it (sunrise to sunset) is actually healthier for the body and the way Islam doesn't even let us drink water during the fast actually is better because drinking water but not eating or drinking anything else would cause bloating and be worse for the body.
And of course, God who made us, knows what is healthier for us and even in worship there is our benefit like how our way of praying is very healthy for the body.

I would say all that but we know that people here don't talk because they want to learn or have an actual discussion, they do it to troll, pass time, indulge in some weird concept of self-righteousness because they don't actually have lives that allow them to do something else.

Nothing new.

 

[floss]

Your heart doesn't need to be broken, because women are not treated as second class citizens in Islam. I should know, I'm a Muslim. The Quran addresses men and women equally:

Have you ever read this hadith?

"Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency of your intelligence' ... 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said: 'This is the deficiency in your religion.'"[14]

Question for you: Why are men allowed to have 4 wives but only one for the women?

 

[manama]

I wouldn't recommend anyone to fall for the bait above either by the way. The dude's only purpose in life is to ask about the same stuff to every other person every other month.

 

[Infinityloop]

Question for you: Why are men allowed to have 4 wives but only one for the women?

Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon all had multiple wives according to the Bible, some even had hundreds of concubines.

 

[floss]

Abraham, Jacob, David and Solomon all had multiple wives according to the Bible, some even had hundreds of concubines.

That's why Christians does not put their faith in any of them. They're all dead. We only put our faith in the person at the right hand of God the Father.

So, why aren't women allowed 4 husbands?

 

[Infinityloop]

That's why Christians does not put their faith in any of them.

You're not a Marcionite are you? only Marcionites reject the Prophets.

As for "put their faith", like those Prophets we are supposed to put our faith in GOD/EL/YHWH/The Creator. Not a man.

 

[Infinityloop]

According to 1 Timothy 2:8-15:

I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works. Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.

 

[floss]

You're not a Marcionite are you? only Marcionites reject the Prophets.

As for "put their faith", like those Prophets we are supposed to put our faith in GOD/EL/YHWH/The Creator. Not a man.

There are no born again Christian that put their faith in anyone beside Jesus. Why would I put my faith in any prophets if they also put their faith in Jesus for salvation?

Why can't women have 4 husband? I get it, if you don't want to answer.

 

[Infinityloop]

Surely, men who submit themselves to God and women who submit themselves to Him, and believing men and believing women, and obedient men and obedient women and truthful men and truthful women, and men steadfast in their faith and steadfast women, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, and men who remember God much and women who remember Him — God has prepared for all of them forgiveness and a great reward. (Qur’an, Surah 3:36)

 

[Infinityloop]

Why would I put my faith in any prophets if they also put their faith in Jesus for salvation?

So you reject the Old Testament?

 

[Infinityloop]

I get it, if you don't want to answer.

I'm waiting for you to answer the following questions in a PM bro:

"Do you still have the room of possibility there that you could be wrong about your beliefs?"
Do you realize that lots of people from other religions also have mystical experiences and visions?

 

[DavidSon]

Nevermind, I was just reminded of why this thread is five pages long. It is because some people circle with the same things they learned at one time in their life and never go on to learn new things in order to participate in new discussions.

But you discounted the "trinity" discussion last night too. Despite their hurtful purpose there's a lot of valuable information being shared in both threads. I like when violent intention is turned on its head and used as teaching tool. The real subject at hand are the tenets and philosophy of Monotheism.

 

[Infinityloop]

Lol, imagine how quickly a society back then would go extinct if a woman had multiple husbands. So counterproductive

 

[morita]

Xtians are trying to teach muslims the fiqh of fasting and eating. Mashallah. Good people, these xtians.


The fast is not about restricting calories/starving ourselves..that would harm us. If muslims choose to stuff their face with samosas, that's their choice. However keep in mind here that throughout ramadan, muslims also eat with extended family, friends and even strangers. Feeding people..and feeding them well, is part of the experience. the month isn't just about 'not eating or drinking'.

It's about about experiencing the pangs of hunger for a time period. Intermittent fasting is close to it. Experiencing hunger releases the hormones leptin and ghrelin which help the digestive system heal.

in the bible, most cases of fasting were just to avoid 'choice food' eg no meat, wine. Today, many of us are familiar with different types of diets, eg keto, paleo/gluten/lactose free, vegan. We know about caloric intake.
Back then, most people weren't so clued up. At the very least Ramadan gave people a chance, via a social setting, to have that experience.

ive done extreme carb backloading, where ive gone on less than 20g of carbs a day for 2 weeks..followed by low carb day time and ALL OUT CARBS post workout in the evening. one of the best times i had, that period...with food anyway.

ive done keto, paleo. I'm currently carb cycling..and that too in ramadan. I have high carb and low carb days...and i switch between cardio and lifting. It works for me.

The fact that i dont eat for 18 hours, to me is just intermittent fasting within an islamic context....and looking after the body is not contrary to islam.

i seem to remember this ancient religion that no longer exists, telling people 'the body is the temple of God'.
xtianity begins and ends with shoving pork down your throats, in the name of Jesus.

I'm not christian, all I'm saying is if you don't reintroduce food correctly after a fast you might end up doing more harm to your digestive system. Any book on fasting or a quick google search will confirm that.

 

[floss]

So you reject the Old Testament?

How does not putting my faith/trust in the prophets for my salvation = me rejecting the OT? Please explain

 

[rainerann]

But you discounted the "trinity" discussion last night too.

Yes I sure did. Great point there.

 

[Infinityloop]

How does not putting my faith/trust in the prophets for my salvation = me rejecting the OT? Please explain

You made comments about polygamy which were entirely ignorant of the OT, then you changed the subject to being about your exclusivity of salvation through the man Jesus.
Your following responses continued to indicate that you don't believe in those prophets and reject the OT, which is a Marcionite thing. Marcionites believe in Jesus and Paul but reject the entire OT.

 

[Infinityloop]

Anyway, men and women in the Qur'an are referred to much like the sun/moon, day/night, earth/heaven, etc. They are seen as complimentary. There is no women without man, and there is no man without women. The two are existentially intertwined.

 

[manama]

I'm not christian, all I'm saying is if you don't reintroduce food correctly after a fast you might end up doing more harm to your digestive system. Any book on fasting or a quick google search will confirm that.

That is for long term fasting especially when people fast for days consecutively. That is not something that effects the way we fast since not only do we not fast for a long period of time, most of us are used to heavy diet in general in life so the body has adapted.

 

[floss]

You made comments about polygamy which were entirely ignorant of the OT, then you changed the subject to being about your exclusivity of salvation through the man Jesus.
Your following responses continued to indicate that you don't believe in those prophets and reject the OT, which is a Marcionite thing. Marcionites believe in Jesus and Paul but reject the entire OT.

You're just playing game with me, quit your BS. This is going to be my last response to you.

NO real Christians put their faith in any OT prophets, they're all sinners, they needed JESUS as much as I do. I have no clue how you twisted this into rejecting the OT.